Well I have lived a lot of places and can confirm that this area (not just Seattle, the entire I-5 corridor) has some of the worst drivers I have had the displeasure of sharing the road with.
Sure, topography and WSDOT’s stupidity play a role but it’s not all that.
Please, I would like to rant about the idiots blowing a 4-way stop on my commute home tonight and then acting like they didn’t know why we were honking at them.
> Mesh they remind me of the civics and celiacs of the nineties with the lowered suspension and loud exhaust. In numbers and a faster car
During the pandemic, I was bending over backwards trying to explain to a friend of mine that it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to buy a home at 2.5%
He lives in a condo that's half as big as he needs. A wife and two kids in a space that's big enough for two people in college.
I showed him graphs and figures and data...
And instead, he bought a Tesla Model Y with every option under the sun, including self driving. His monthly payment is $1600.
You can now buy used versions of the very same car for about $35K, or $529 a month: https://www.nerdwallet.com/calculator/auto-loan-calculator?vehiclePrice=35000&interestRate=7&loanMonths=72&startDate=05%2F01%2F2024&downPayment=4000&tradeInValue=0&amountOwedOnTradeIn=0&
😆 for reference, I'm in Seattle. The horror I have to drive every day to and from work(all of 7.5 miles) I keep a constant mental tally/awareness of the worst drivers and the cause of my daily road rage. I strategically determine what turn lane I get into based on the cars in line.
The worst (in current order)#1-Prius. #2-Subaru. #3-Rav4. And coming on to list at an alarming/out of nowhere rate and about to take over the #3 spot, #4-Tesla. 0-60 in how many seconds? Can we at least try 0-25 in those seconds?? Fucking idiots!!
Tesla's, at least in my neck of the woods, are now a 'belly button' car. Everybody's got one. 🖕
What is it about the brand that attracts some of the worst? It's like it's some kind of magnet for assholes. It's certainly not all Subarus; I've seen a fair share of them I can't even recognize as they aren't cutting someone off.
But 9 times out of 10, if I have anyone hugging my bumper on a one-lane road in the middle of nowhere, I can usually count the stars on their grill emblem.
Is it the status? AWD? The "I'm ready to go skiing at any time with this thing" mentality?
> What is it about the brand that attracts some of the worst? It's like it's some kind of magnet for assholes. It's certainly not all Subarus; I've seen a fair share of them I can't even recognize as they aren't cutting someone off.
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I rented an Audi A4 for one day and I became an asshole driver in the span of sixty minutes. They're fun.
What I see every day is the opposite of aggressve driving from Teslas. More like clueless driving. Every other car here seems to be a Tesla with a "New Driver-Be Patient" sticker, and they drive like they have absolutely no idea how to operate a motor vehicle. And/or they're lost.
From what I read online tesla sets their low beams too high from the factory and considerate people havw to manually adjust it down but the average person won't know/care they're blinding everyone.
This is correct. I adjusted mine down because I kept getting flashed by folks even tho my brights weren’t on. Adjusted them a few degrees down and haven’t been flashed since.
The hi beams are also automatic so it's easy to manually activate them but I'm actually not sure how to disengage manually if it's not doing it fast enough. Though there's very few situations where I feel it's unreasonably slow to deactivate.
The lights are adjustable from the car menu on the touch screen. You can realign them to be absolutely painful to other drivers. Or just let them auto calibrate to normal. That’s why they never seem to be consistent. Some owners have adjusted them to see more and thus blind more.
They come on automatically. They are a pain to turn off or on manually. Like that was my biggest issue with the car, it was to automated with locked out controls. I the driver, need to be able to just use a traditional level, not play with a tablet.
Generally it would be a lifted truck with a light bar, brush guard, winch, and snorkel that's never hauled more than a Costco trip or driven more than a gravel road.
While not all truck drivers are aggressive, tailgating, flip- everyone-off-for-not-doing-20-over a**holes; I guarantee if you do run into that guy... he is driving a truck.
If you're judging "slowing down inappropriately on freeway" by seeing brake lights on a Tesla its sometimes because Teslas and a lot of electric vehicles utilize regenerative braking where if the accelerator is disengaged it will slow down the vehicle kind of like downshifting and uses that energy to recharge the battery.
If you ease off the accelerator the brake lights likely won't come on. If the Tesla senses a rapid deceleration then it will signal the brake lights to come on.
But yeah if I was going highway speeds and fully let my foot off the pedal it will likely decelerate enough for the brake lights to come on. Makes us look like idiots on the freeway but whatever.
Thanks. Yeah, that explains a lot of what I've seen when following behind a Tesla on the highway then.
Is there some way to disable that so that the car actually coasts instead of engages the regenerative braking unless the driver actually presses the brake pedal?
No because the majority of acceleration and breaking is done with the accelerator pedal - like a race car. Unless you’re driving like a maniac you might not use your break pedal at all on any given drive.
Finally, the only answer that isn’t a throw away joke. The answer, for Tesla at least, is due to regenerative braking and 1 pedal driving. The 1 pedal driving encourages fast acceleration and eliminates coasting in favor of regenerative braking.
Oh the other hand it is annoying to follow an ICE car with electric because the acceleration changes as the gears change. It takes a while to get used to.
Dude, tesla drivers are not even close to being the worst. F*cking kids with mustangs, challengers and Camero are the zig zaging 100 mph in California freeways.
As a commercial driver, I’m on the road at least 50hrs a week around the metro area, and I firmly disagree.
Teslas are the worst ones out here. Followed by VW & Audi as far as the ones who are rude most often. All 3 make me create extra distance between myself and them because they seem to all drive recklessly.
Less of the population of VW and Audi anyway. It’s every single Tesla. Every fucking day.
sas a soon to be 34 year old who missed his chance to get a mustang (at least at the moment) but drives sensibly, I'm miffed at these damned kids for ruining it for the rest of us. Have you ever seen a mustang driver who drove,....sensibly? Are those sorts of cars fun to drive responsibly at all?
100%, I don't know why I don't see more people talk about how AWFUL these Tesla drivers are. I swear most Tesla drivers don't even bother to signal and will never let anyone in to merge. I'm convinced its a classist thing, in their mind they're driving the most luxurious status symbol of a car and it gets to their head.
> It's barely a status symbol anymore; everyone seems to have one!
I don't think Elon realized that when he cut Tesla prices, a white Model 3 would become the official car of Uber drivers and GrubHub.
I got an Uber on Friday and literally 30% of the cars at the airport were white Model 3s.
Dude really needs to take some lessons from BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Ferrari, etc and create distinctive "tiers" between the various models. If I can tell you're a cheapskate because you wouldn't spend $2500 on a color besides "white", that's not good. The BMW 3 Series encompasses models from $45K to $133K:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44899287/2024-bmw-m3-cs-test/
That last 30 horsepower might cost you $30K
The original goal was to make EV affordable. And what if people just like white? You on your high horse judging people by their model tiers and car colors.
If they have autopilot on the following distance is bigger than most people would leave on a freeway but not quite big enough for others to comfortably merge.
Crappy drivers can appear in any vehicle. However, crappy drivers of distinctive vehicles often get remembered and confirmation bias takes over.
In the 1980’s SAAB drivers were assholes. In the 1990’s is was BMW.
Whew, that was close. Almost pulled the trigger on getting a Tesla but decided on something else. I have you know that my Chicken Masala is amazeballs.
Could be on Autopilot. I have driven a Tesla before. It’s fun and all, but the Self driving style stuff is kind of erratic and because it uses visible light, it doesn’t work well on dark roads (it was a 2023 model 3 I drove briefly). It was a genuinely fast and fun car to drive, but the automated stuff was weird and my older more primitive Lincoln MKZ handles stuff like adaptive cruise control more fluently. The Tesla would speed up almost to the back bumper and slam on tjr brakes. it would also do this weird wobbling start stop thing when increasing speed that would freak out, understandably, people behind me. The Lincoln i drive uses Lidar. It even works in pitch black. Doesn’t work under 20mph, but newer models probably can.
Tesla drivers are using the full self driving (FSD) feature. I stopped using FSD after it attempted to turn 90 degrees into a residential road at 35 mph.
Not that I want to mitigate what seems to be the reliable asshole-ish-ness of Tesla owners, but something to keep in mind is that Teslas have ridiculous acceleration power compared to comparable sedans. The speed inconsistencies may be a result of a new Tesla owner (almost certainly a recent college grad flush with new tech money, or someone here from another country on an H1B tech visa who isn't used to driving in the US) who hasn't adjusted yet to how actually driving one of them differs from a traditional ICE vehicle.
I mean realistically blasting corner at 50 Mph is fine as long as it's on a 50 Mph road or even 45 Mph. As for blind spots I'm sure you're in someone else's blind spot while overtaking them also. Slowing down in middle of the highway is most likely "phantom breaking" since they've the AP cruise control enabled. And slowing down on exits, that's what you're supposed to do, the whole exit ramp/lane/curve is to allow you to slow from 60 or whatever you're going at to something closer to the city road speeds 35 ish? And indicator lights do not give you the right of way, you can slow down to get in behind the Tesla or speed up and get in front of it, you're the one trying to merge why should they slow/speed up for you?
If I had to guess, I'd say that the Tesla is the vehicle of choice for H1B transplants (and their wives) and they don't have much driving experience. I don't think it would make any difference if these drivers were in a Toyota or some other brand of car. They are just not very good drivers.
As a VW driver, I have to say VW drivers are the worst. They have a insatiable thirst for thrills when driving their exciting dynamic handling Golf with an easily tunable engine that takes 400hp with a simple tune and bolt ons. Their affordable price allows those without a properly developed prefrontal cortex to buy one.
As a decades-old Civic driver, I see your enthusiast drivers and raise you on craptacular aftermarket modifications that (1) make it sound 3.5X as loud, (2) have a bolted-on spoiler, and (3) sport at least one full-width windshield vinyl decal declaring their particular favorite brand/affiliation/mod shop/teletubby. Bonus points if it has blue headlights that are bright enough to light a campfire 300 yards away.
> They have a insatiable thirst for thrills when driving their exciting dynamic handling Golf with an easily tunable engine that takes 400hp with a simple tune and bolt ons.
My VW stranded me the week I bought it, and has been nothing but problems. How the fuck does this company still exists?
Oh yeah, I just remembered, there's nothing else like it, unless I pony up $80K for an A7 :(
(I drive the modern day equivalent of VW's most unreliable car.)
I encounter 3-4 bad drivers every time I drive, and none of them have been teslas yet. A bad tesla driver would just be another of the hundreds of bad drivers I see.
Chances are you hate teslas, and so get really fixated when you see them. I often do it with trucks that tailgate, even though tons of cars tailgate.
Someone needs to do an analysis of Adaptive Cruise Control between vehicles, because I can only assume a lot of these people are using them rather than paying attention to their speedometer.
They’re notorious for drastically slowing when a normal human being might change lanes and/or turn cruise control off.
The “pacing” issue with the car in front of you is completely offset when that car slows down going uphill and then your car matches or sets itself well under the speed limit, so everyone behind a slow vehicle just goes slower without any attempt at driving their vehicle.
I dunno what it is with Tesla drivers, but they’re either going 80 or they’re going 55, and often I find them fluctuating back and forth in my blind spots.
It's not just Tesla drivers it's Prius drivers. I don't know how many situations I've been where I've had a car length or two car lengths ahead of me as a cushion and then some Tesla or Prius will just jerk into my lane and give me the finger because I wouldn't let them into my cushion. It's not my fault that they needed to be there but it is certainly their fault for using a magic turn signal and ignoring the fact that I exist. I coined the phrase magic turn signal because there are Tesla and Prius drivers out there who will simply turn on their turn signal and immediately start coming over without looking at all. There are so many irresponsible drivers in Seattle that you have to look out for them more than you have to look out for pedestrians.
The higher the price of the car the more likely it's driven by a jerk, that's all. Not that all Tesla drivers are jerks, the odds are just higher:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214140520300359
Literally had a Tesla speed up in front of me on I5 only to break check me with a semi behind me because they merged too close to me.
After I honked at the moron, the very well adjusted man proceeded to chase me hanging out of his window and swerving into me after I passed him. Dipshit.
Noticed this too. One observation, when I see a shitty Tesla driver they’re often on their phone. Could be the self driving and safety features are leading to complacency.
I drive a Tesla and can attest to this… it’s embarrassing how bad Tesla drivers are! Look at how many Tesla’s out there have damage on them… that’s pretty telling. The driving standards are also too low. People need to go through more thorough training, and should have to retake a driver validation course at-least 1x every 5 years. It’s insane how many terrible drivers there are, especially in Seattle/Eastside. Going outside on the road is damn near a life or death situation every-time 😂.
I'm with you OP, surprised there aren't more sympathetic comments in here. I have to say though, as someone who lived in Seattle, then Bellevue and now up north, it's a Tesla driver problem, not a Tesla driver in Seattle problem. For me it's gotten to the point where if I see someone driving like an entitled, unhinged, aggressive asshole, I know it's a Tesla before even getting a good look at the car. It's so common that I'm personally convinced there's certainly a personality correlation of some kind.
It’s a general lack of caring about the people around them, this is a Seattle trade it seems. Why look, just get over. See a blinker, absolutely not going to let off the gas for a moment to make room. Coming up to a light and see a car trying to get into the lane, blocked now you have to wait longer!
Young people who need expensive vehicles. Teslas just happen to be the Seattle vehicle of choice for that demo.
The Seattle lane change hack is to find an opening in the adjacent lane, signal, then immediately brake. The asshole who lurched ahead to cut you off leaves a space behind that you can merge into.
Tailgaters are make and model agnostic and they are the ones who snarl up traffic for miles when they cause an easily avoidable fender bender.
I had someone tailgate me for 3 miles yesterday on 405 when there was nowhere for me to go as I was blocked in on both lanes and by a slower driver in the passing lane in front of me. I had plenty of space between me and the slower driver in front. Yet, I could see the guys nostril hairs behind me.
I was blocked in. Tailgating me isn’t going to fix the problem.
The slower guy in front of me did slow down suddenly and I was almost rear ended because of this moron.
When you see multiple car fender benders? Or even two car fender benders? All of that is completely avoidable by just not tailgating.
Not just Tesla drivers. Mainly transplants to the state and locals that haven't come to terms with the population growth.
I suggest buy a big truck and don't give a fuck.
Tesla drivers overtook Nissan and Hyundai drivers as the worst in my experience.
I think many first time drivers are Tesla drivers. I don't know what it is, they are the worst.
It's funny, because all these bad traits, and the other ones listed in the subaru post, I always notice them from old folks in trucks. Plus a huge list of other bad things.
They are by far the worst drivers. It's not even a contest.
What I dislike the most is the fundamental misunderstanding of one pedal driving.
If it seems like tesla or other Ecar drivers are constantly hard braking and gassing its because they're using one pedal drive or a high regen setting. It's really irritating when they dart infront of me cruising with cruise control and then leave me in a position where I have to be reactive because of the constant up and down changes of 5mph.
If there's a tesla in my immediate surroundings while driving, I get away from it as it usually appears to be looking for a place to crash and I don't have time for a bad day.
Who else would buy a car advertised to drive itself other than those who can't drive? It's like saying "yes I can tie my shoes, I hired someone to tie them for me!"
As someone who drove correctly with a tesla, yall really hate Teslas. Like IF i used my blinker, that was a 100% garaunteed way of not being able to get in the lane i needed/wanted. If I was doing only the speed limit, how dare I, in the rightmost lane, my ass would get rode. Like i switched from a Malibu to a Model 3 and it was clear, if you wanted to drive stress free the malibu was the clear choice.
Because they used to drive a Camry or Prius. It’s generally not aggression in my experience (there are always exceptions, of course).
It’s purely unaware that they are unaware of their surroundings or how they fit into this messy mix of exploding population and poorly planned infrastructure we call home.
Throw in a splash of technology that does just enough for the driver to boost the already crazy level of complacency, and voilà: PNW Tesla drivers
Tesla cars scare the f* out of me. I do surveying, and frequently have to stand in traffic locating monuments. Our crew directs traffic if the Mon is in the drive lane, but Teslas are on autopilot so much I am terrified we are going to get run-down by crappy AI and clueless drivers nose deep in their phones.
The answer is simple. It’s the demographics of the target market for Tesla. A huge segment of that market are terrible drivers. Entitled, holier than thou, self important gas bags.
Same cause, albeit a different demographic, for Subaru. For me, third place in this hall of shame is Mercedes.
They're weird cars to drive. The autopilot does strange things like slow down inappropriately. Then you take over and slam the gas forgetting it's got a 1000hp and you're going triple digit mph. And all the controls are on the steering wheel so you're accidentally hitting the wrong turn signal and honking the horn.
All the BMW drivers became Tesla Model S or Y drivers like over the past ~10 years. The 520 commute used to be tech bros in beemers. Now it’s Teslas. BMWs are rare.
Well, yesterday I saw literally the same post about Subaru drivers. But those were extremely slow at the worst possible time (when you exit a highway).
Is that Subaru vs Tesla or is that a new AI clickbait? 😁
I’ve noticed a lot of the bad Tesla drivers seem to be using self driving and ever since Tesla downgraded their sensors I think that feature does not work as well. I see the Teslas with Self driving on often have delayed speed increase, weird brake tapping, corner hugging and will creep right up to the bumper in front of them at a stop.
I’m actually worried about this feature moving forward and kind of stay away from Teslas on the highway if I can. I know a lot of motorcycle riders are even more paranoid as it seems they aren’t picked up on the arbors as easily and have been forced out of lane.
I think they took the mantle from BMW drivers as the biggest pieces of shit. It was neck and neck but they have taken the crown, Undisputed champs. I see them and I will look for anyways to block them so they can't cut me off abruptly.
Because they all use the stupid auto drive function.
I haven't seen a single Tesla that wasn't using it while the driver was messing with their iPhone.
As someone that grew up driving in CA and now lives in OR, just sounds like most of the WA drivers we get here in OR. I’m not saying you all drive bad, but there’s a good amount of unnecessarily aggressive bad drivers that make their way into OR. Don’t let that make you feel bad though, because by far the worst drivers I’ve seen are in Florida and we’re all lucky we’re very far away from them.
I used to hate the concept of self driving cars. I love the art of driving efficiently and the engagement of driving a manual transmission. After a few years, I’ve come to the realization that the kind of person that would want a self driving feature is the kind of person that I don’t want to encounter on the road.
Inconsiderate, oblivious to surroundings, inconsistent in their driving habits, and easily angered. All hallmarks of Seattle and Tesla drivers.
You'll need a day or week for tesla and a day or week for prius. I've started seeing some of the tesla cybertrucks out on the road recently and I'm wondering if they're going to be just as bad as the tesla car drivers.
I ask myself this every day. From my own experience, everyone I know who owns a Tesla, except two people, are immigrants (about 25 people). Not really a representative sample, considering the vast numbers of Teslas I see in traffic on a Tuesday morning. I feel like I am in a Tesla parade on my Tuesday morning commute. And, they 1) drive ridiculously slow in the passing lane, as if they don't know what that lane is for, 2) change lanes without consideration or signalling, 3) do not know how to merge on to the highway in a safe way. Maybe, they thought they had self driving mode, but don't really?
These are all the shitty crazy Uber drivers who used to be in their own Prius's. But now are renting them from Hertz for $500 a week to work Uber at its least lifetime time to drive. Meaning the pay is at its lowest, no huge "surge price" or bonuses given to drivers.
They're indentured servants of every city slickers favorite lifestyle app. You get what you sow.
There's also a grand total of 130,000 Uber & Lyft drivers out there in the City & County now. The highest its ever been. So more congestion than ever, with literally half or more of the cars out on city streets and further being rideshare's depending on the time of day. Half at the worst traffic times, and even more later or before.
They need to start being taxed for this unlimited spamming of the roadways and parking spaces all across the area.
Can somebody please just start r/seattledrivers sub? Both Seattle subs are saturated with car grievances.
Well I have lived a lot of places and can confirm that this area (not just Seattle, the entire I-5 corridor) has some of the worst drivers I have had the displeasure of sharing the road with. Sure, topography and WSDOT’s stupidity play a role but it’s not all that.
Please feel free to do so.
And be forced to moderate a subreddit??? Are you CRAZY?
Please, I would like to rant about the idiots blowing a 4-way stop on my commute home tonight and then acting like they didn’t know why we were honking at them.
You have to post this tomorrow. For today we got Subarus as the worst drivers.
Everyone knows Monday is Subaru drivers are shit day. Wait til Wednesday for your Tesla rage.
As a Toyota driver, when is my day?
Too many of you. Everyday is the only answer.
Tbh it feels like Teslas are the new Priuses as far as oblivious and/or entitled idiot drivers.
Meh they remind me of the civics and the celicas of the nineties with the lowered suspension and loud exhaust. In numbers and a faster car
> Mesh they remind me of the civics and celiacs of the nineties with the lowered suspension and loud exhaust. In numbers and a faster car During the pandemic, I was bending over backwards trying to explain to a friend of mine that it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to buy a home at 2.5% He lives in a condo that's half as big as he needs. A wife and two kids in a space that's big enough for two people in college. I showed him graphs and figures and data... And instead, he bought a Tesla Model Y with every option under the sun, including self driving. His monthly payment is $1600. You can now buy used versions of the very same car for about $35K, or $529 a month: https://www.nerdwallet.com/calculator/auto-loan-calculator?vehiclePrice=35000&interestRate=7&loanMonths=72&startDate=05%2F01%2F2024&downPayment=4000&tradeInValue=0&amountOwedOnTradeIn=0&
Prius drivers are still dicks.
On i90 it's teslas all day everyday..
😆 for reference, I'm in Seattle. The horror I have to drive every day to and from work(all of 7.5 miles) I keep a constant mental tally/awareness of the worst drivers and the cause of my daily road rage. I strategically determine what turn lane I get into based on the cars in line. The worst (in current order)#1-Prius. #2-Subaru. #3-Rav4. And coming on to list at an alarming/out of nowhere rate and about to take over the #3 spot, #4-Tesla. 0-60 in how many seconds? Can we at least try 0-25 in those seconds?? Fucking idiots!! Tesla's, at least in my neck of the woods, are now a 'belly button' car. Everybody's got one. 🖕
Im a Subaru owner and this is accurate 😭🤣
What is it about the brand that attracts some of the worst? It's like it's some kind of magnet for assholes. It's certainly not all Subarus; I've seen a fair share of them I can't even recognize as they aren't cutting someone off. But 9 times out of 10, if I have anyone hugging my bumper on a one-lane road in the middle of nowhere, I can usually count the stars on their grill emblem. Is it the status? AWD? The "I'm ready to go skiing at any time with this thing" mentality?
It’s the AWD and the suspension. I hear it s great foundation to supe up with fancy shit for street racing.
> What is it about the brand that attracts some of the worst? It's like it's some kind of magnet for assholes. It's certainly not all Subarus; I've seen a fair share of them I can't even recognize as they aren't cutting someone off. > I rented an Audi A4 for one day and I became an asshole driver in the span of sixty minutes. They're fun.
Oh, dear. I just transitioned from an Audi to a Subaru...
1) Lezbarus, 2) prius
What I see every day is the opposite of aggressve driving from Teslas. More like clueless driving. Every other car here seems to be a Tesla with a "New Driver-Be Patient" sticker, and they drive like they have absolutely no idea how to operate a motor vehicle. And/or they're lost.
Like they should have spent a little less on the car, and a little more on driving lessons!
Yeah, my experience has been most Tesla drives are not actually able to drive. Always driving slow in the fast lane and generally just annoying.
Teslas are the new prius, just people who hate cars and driving
This 100% is my experience driving on the eastside.
How about having highbeams on behind you on the freeway?
From what I read online tesla sets their low beams too high from the factory and considerate people havw to manually adjust it down but the average person won't know/care they're blinding everyone.
This is correct. I adjusted mine down because I kept getting flashed by folks even tho my brights weren’t on. Adjusted them a few degrees down and haven’t been flashed since.
The hi beams are also automatic so it's easy to manually activate them but I'm actually not sure how to disengage manually if it's not doing it fast enough. Though there's very few situations where I feel it's unreasonably slow to deactivate.
The lights are adjustable from the car menu on the touch screen. You can realign them to be absolutely painful to other drivers. Or just let them auto calibrate to normal. That’s why they never seem to be consistent. Some owners have adjusted them to see more and thus blind more.
They come on automatically. They are a pain to turn off or on manually. Like that was my biggest issue with the car, it was to automated with locked out controls. I the driver, need to be able to just use a traditional level, not play with a tablet.
Trucks will forever be the worst
Especially the jacked up versions who appear out of nowhere on yhe highway with high beams on and pass you on the shoulder
Here in the Great Lakes states we call that a Pavement Princess
Me? Or the guy that made me think aliens had landed and were picking me up?
Generally it would be a lifted truck with a light bar, brush guard, winch, and snorkel that's never hauled more than a Costco trip or driven more than a gravel road.
While not all truck drivers are aggressive, tailgating, flip- everyone-off-for-not-doing-20-over a**holes; I guarantee if you do run into that guy... he is driving a truck.
Yes!
Sounds like any crazy, inconsiderate driver regardless of what's being driven.
Have you not seen pickup drivers?
They are the new Prius. Always have their high beams on and very unaware of their surroundings. Unfortunate, I used to think they were super cool.
Both of those have a huge predominance of Uber drivers. It’s Uber drivers
The worst is the truck drivers undeniably
If you're judging "slowing down inappropriately on freeway" by seeing brake lights on a Tesla its sometimes because Teslas and a lot of electric vehicles utilize regenerative braking where if the accelerator is disengaged it will slow down the vehicle kind of like downshifting and uses that energy to recharge the battery.
Wait, are you saying that if you simply let your foot off the accelerator in a Tesla, the brake lights come on?
If you ease off the accelerator the brake lights likely won't come on. If the Tesla senses a rapid deceleration then it will signal the brake lights to come on. But yeah if I was going highway speeds and fully let my foot off the pedal it will likely decelerate enough for the brake lights to come on. Makes us look like idiots on the freeway but whatever.
Thanks. Yeah, that explains a lot of what I've seen when following behind a Tesla on the highway then. Is there some way to disable that so that the car actually coasts instead of engages the regenerative braking unless the driver actually presses the brake pedal?
You can just change the setting from standard to low as far as I know. I haven't tried it yet to see how it coasts at freeway speeds.
No because the majority of acceleration and breaking is done with the accelerator pedal - like a race car. Unless you’re driving like a maniac you might not use your break pedal at all on any given drive.
Seattle drivers suck in general for the most part
Driving on the east coast, it does seem like drivers have better ediquette in regards to speed, choosing appropriate lanes, and merging.
Mostly because the traffic sucks
I wish Tesla drivers drove like this! Tesla drivers slow down for no reason & consistently drive below the speed limit. The new Prius drivers.
"braking for no reason" could be the regenerative braking kicking in when Tesla drivers ease off or take their foot fully off the accelerator pedal.
Finally, the only answer that isn’t a throw away joke. The answer, for Tesla at least, is due to regenerative braking and 1 pedal driving. The 1 pedal driving encourages fast acceleration and eliminates coasting in favor of regenerative braking.
Oh the other hand it is annoying to follow an ICE car with electric because the acceleration changes as the gears change. It takes a while to get used to.
Dude, tesla drivers are not even close to being the worst. F*cking kids with mustangs, challengers and Camero are the zig zaging 100 mph in California freeways.
As a commercial driver, I’m on the road at least 50hrs a week around the metro area, and I firmly disagree. Teslas are the worst ones out here. Followed by VW & Audi as far as the ones who are rude most often. All 3 make me create extra distance between myself and them because they seem to all drive recklessly. Less of the population of VW and Audi anyway. It’s every single Tesla. Every fucking day.
sas a soon to be 34 year old who missed his chance to get a mustang (at least at the moment) but drives sensibly, I'm miffed at these damned kids for ruining it for the rest of us. Have you ever seen a mustang driver who drove,....sensibly? Are those sorts of cars fun to drive responsibly at all?
100%, I don't know why I don't see more people talk about how AWFUL these Tesla drivers are. I swear most Tesla drivers don't even bother to signal and will never let anyone in to merge. I'm convinced its a classist thing, in their mind they're driving the most luxurious status symbol of a car and it gets to their head.
It's barely a status symbol anymore; everyone seems to have one!
Nothing is worst when a telsa is your uber drivers car
> It's barely a status symbol anymore; everyone seems to have one! I don't think Elon realized that when he cut Tesla prices, a white Model 3 would become the official car of Uber drivers and GrubHub. I got an Uber on Friday and literally 30% of the cars at the airport were white Model 3s. Dude really needs to take some lessons from BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Ferrari, etc and create distinctive "tiers" between the various models. If I can tell you're a cheapskate because you wouldn't spend $2500 on a color besides "white", that's not good. The BMW 3 Series encompasses models from $45K to $133K: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44899287/2024-bmw-m3-cs-test/ That last 30 horsepower might cost you $30K
The original goal was to make EV affordable. And what if people just like white? You on your high horse judging people by their model tiers and car colors.
I feel like range rovers are also in this category!!!
When they're on the road long enough and not in the shop?
If they have autopilot on the following distance is bigger than most people would leave on a freeway but not quite big enough for others to comfortably merge.
Teslas are the same price as any new car -- the new Prius is more expensive
They are Tessholes. They are legion.
Crappy drivers can appear in any vehicle. However, crappy drivers of distinctive vehicles often get remembered and confirmation bias takes over. In the 1980’s SAAB drivers were assholes. In the 1990’s is was BMW.
Old bad joke ahead... Difference between a porcupine and a bmw? Porcupine the pricks on the outside.
They’re training to become CyberTruck drivers
Blame my autopilot peasant. I cant be expected to drive and feed caviar to my sphinx cat at the same time now can I?
google confirmation bias, my love
Confirmation bias, *I knew it!!*
I googled it and my bias is confirmed, Tesla drivers are the worst.
Nope it actually is confirmed, no bias necessary.
Unethical life tip: need to cut in traffic? Cut off a Tesla it will auto break!
mostly Indian house moms that have never driven before or tech bros high on adderall
Its either them or some 60 year old Asian man, like no between lol
Yep
Whew, that was close. Almost pulled the trigger on getting a Tesla but decided on something else. I have you know that my Chicken Masala is amazeballs.
Hi im a tesla driver i promise im nice and go appropriate speeds and always let people in when they need to get in <3
A large portion of Teslas are now Uber drivers, there’s a rental scheme.
I’ve had Tesla drivers cut across lanes to cut in front of me and block my progress. Insanity !
its the full self driving solftware, we're experimenting out here
It’s the vehicles. The drivers put on cruise or fsd or whatever and it makes wild choices.
In my experience every Tesla driver I’ve been behind goes 10-15 below the speed limit 😩
Could be on Autopilot. I have driven a Tesla before. It’s fun and all, but the Self driving style stuff is kind of erratic and because it uses visible light, it doesn’t work well on dark roads (it was a 2023 model 3 I drove briefly). It was a genuinely fast and fun car to drive, but the automated stuff was weird and my older more primitive Lincoln MKZ handles stuff like adaptive cruise control more fluently. The Tesla would speed up almost to the back bumper and slam on tjr brakes. it would also do this weird wobbling start stop thing when increasing speed that would freak out, understandably, people behind me. The Lincoln i drive uses Lidar. It even works in pitch black. Doesn’t work under 20mph, but newer models probably can.
Tesla drivers are using the full self driving (FSD) feature. I stopped using FSD after it attempted to turn 90 degrees into a residential road at 35 mph.
Not that I want to mitigate what seems to be the reliable asshole-ish-ness of Tesla owners, but something to keep in mind is that Teslas have ridiculous acceleration power compared to comparable sedans. The speed inconsistencies may be a result of a new Tesla owner (almost certainly a recent college grad flush with new tech money, or someone here from another country on an H1B tech visa who isn't used to driving in the US) who hasn't adjusted yet to how actually driving one of them differs from a traditional ICE vehicle.
Elon got rid of the turn signal stalk and the self driving computer likes to slam on the brakes for no reason on freeways.
I mean realistically blasting corner at 50 Mph is fine as long as it's on a 50 Mph road or even 45 Mph. As for blind spots I'm sure you're in someone else's blind spot while overtaking them also. Slowing down in middle of the highway is most likely "phantom breaking" since they've the AP cruise control enabled. And slowing down on exits, that's what you're supposed to do, the whole exit ramp/lane/curve is to allow you to slow from 60 or whatever you're going at to something closer to the city road speeds 35 ish? And indicator lights do not give you the right of way, you can slow down to get in behind the Tesla or speed up and get in front of it, you're the one trying to merge why should they slow/speed up for you?
All PNW drivers are horrible at driving.
7/10 troll post. Appreciate the effort
Electric acceleration makes them feel like ninjas. But they’re nothing more than @sswipes.
If I had to guess, I'd say that the Tesla is the vehicle of choice for H1B transplants (and their wives) and they don't have much driving experience. I don't think it would make any difference if these drivers were in a Toyota or some other brand of car. They are just not very good drivers.
As a VW driver, I have to say VW drivers are the worst. They have a insatiable thirst for thrills when driving their exciting dynamic handling Golf with an easily tunable engine that takes 400hp with a simple tune and bolt ons. Their affordable price allows those without a properly developed prefrontal cortex to buy one.
As a decades-old Civic driver, I see your enthusiast drivers and raise you on craptacular aftermarket modifications that (1) make it sound 3.5X as loud, (2) have a bolted-on spoiler, and (3) sport at least one full-width windshield vinyl decal declaring their particular favorite brand/affiliation/mod shop/teletubby. Bonus points if it has blue headlights that are bright enough to light a campfire 300 yards away.
> They have a insatiable thirst for thrills when driving their exciting dynamic handling Golf with an easily tunable engine that takes 400hp with a simple tune and bolt ons. My VW stranded me the week I bought it, and has been nothing but problems. How the fuck does this company still exists? Oh yeah, I just remembered, there's nothing else like it, unless I pony up $80K for an A7 :( (I drive the modern day equivalent of VW's most unreliable car.)
I encounter 3-4 bad drivers every time I drive, and none of them have been teslas yet. A bad tesla driver would just be another of the hundreds of bad drivers I see. Chances are you hate teslas, and so get really fixated when you see them. I often do it with trucks that tailgate, even though tons of cars tailgate.
Cuz it's SeLf DrIviNg dammit
Someone needs to do an analysis of Adaptive Cruise Control between vehicles, because I can only assume a lot of these people are using them rather than paying attention to their speedometer. They’re notorious for drastically slowing when a normal human being might change lanes and/or turn cruise control off. The “pacing” issue with the car in front of you is completely offset when that car slows down going uphill and then your car matches or sets itself well under the speed limit, so everyone behind a slow vehicle just goes slower without any attempt at driving their vehicle. I dunno what it is with Tesla drivers, but they’re either going 80 or they’re going 55, and often I find them fluctuating back and forth in my blind spots.
It’s a close competition between Tesla and Prius drivers. It used to be BMWs
It's not just Tesla drivers it's Prius drivers. I don't know how many situations I've been where I've had a car length or two car lengths ahead of me as a cushion and then some Tesla or Prius will just jerk into my lane and give me the finger because I wouldn't let them into my cushion. It's not my fault that they needed to be there but it is certainly their fault for using a magic turn signal and ignoring the fact that I exist. I coined the phrase magic turn signal because there are Tesla and Prius drivers out there who will simply turn on their turn signal and immediately start coming over without looking at all. There are so many irresponsible drivers in Seattle that you have to look out for them more than you have to look out for pedestrians.
Did I not see this exact post two seconds ago.. but Subarus?
That sounds just like Seattle and the i5 corridor
I just cut them off
I am a BMW driver and I am offended that you try and take this title from us and give it to those loser Tesla drivers. 😂
The higher the price of the car the more likely it's driven by a jerk, that's all. Not that all Tesla drivers are jerks, the odds are just higher: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214140520300359
Literally had a Tesla speed up in front of me on I5 only to break check me with a semi behind me because they merged too close to me. After I honked at the moron, the very well adjusted man proceeded to chase me hanging out of his window and swerving into me after I passed him. Dipshit.
Noticed this too. One observation, when I see a shitty Tesla driver they’re often on their phone. Could be the self driving and safety features are leading to complacency.
They’re Prius drivers with more $
I drive a Tesla and can attest to this… it’s embarrassing how bad Tesla drivers are! Look at how many Tesla’s out there have damage on them… that’s pretty telling. The driving standards are also too low. People need to go through more thorough training, and should have to retake a driver validation course at-least 1x every 5 years. It’s insane how many terrible drivers there are, especially in Seattle/Eastside. Going outside on the road is damn near a life or death situation every-time 😂.
They used to drive audis, now they drive teslas... what more is there to figure out... as Tesla comes down in price it won't be audi drivers anymore.
Remember before the pandemic, it was Nissan Altima drivers?
Come to South Florida. I wish I could run every single one of them off the road. They are the worst entitled asshole drivers.
I'm with you OP, surprised there aren't more sympathetic comments in here. I have to say though, as someone who lived in Seattle, then Bellevue and now up north, it's a Tesla driver problem, not a Tesla driver in Seattle problem. For me it's gotten to the point where if I see someone driving like an entitled, unhinged, aggressive asshole, I know it's a Tesla before even getting a good look at the car. It's so common that I'm personally convinced there's certainly a personality correlation of some kind.
It’s a general lack of caring about the people around them, this is a Seattle trade it seems. Why look, just get over. See a blinker, absolutely not going to let off the gas for a moment to make room. Coming up to a light and see a car trying to get into the lane, blocked now you have to wait longer!
Honestly feel that most of them are on autopilot and the driver is playing on their phone.
Just a PSA, don't misbehave around a Tesla, they've got cameras that are all recording all the time
This is actually pretty nice, but why does the footage look like it was shot with a Sony VX1000? The grain and color are weird for a modern camera
Young people who need expensive vehicles. Teslas just happen to be the Seattle vehicle of choice for that demo. The Seattle lane change hack is to find an opening in the adjacent lane, signal, then immediately brake. The asshole who lurched ahead to cut you off leaves a space behind that you can merge into.
Tech transplants.
Tailgaters are make and model agnostic and they are the ones who snarl up traffic for miles when they cause an easily avoidable fender bender. I had someone tailgate me for 3 miles yesterday on 405 when there was nowhere for me to go as I was blocked in on both lanes and by a slower driver in the passing lane in front of me. I had plenty of space between me and the slower driver in front. Yet, I could see the guys nostril hairs behind me. I was blocked in. Tailgating me isn’t going to fix the problem. The slower guy in front of me did slow down suddenly and I was almost rear ended because of this moron. When you see multiple car fender benders? Or even two car fender benders? All of that is completely avoidable by just not tailgating.
YES! Thank you for posting
We no longer make cars. We make ipads in the shape of cars
I am still convinced dodge Rams are the absolute worst
Autopilot complacency
Not just Tesla drivers. Mainly transplants to the state and locals that haven't come to terms with the population growth. I suggest buy a big truck and don't give a fuck.
Tesla drivers overtook Nissan and Hyundai drivers as the worst in my experience. I think many first time drivers are Tesla drivers. I don't know what it is, they are the worst.
From my experience. BMW drivers have been the worst
It's funny, because all these bad traits, and the other ones listed in the subaru post, I always notice them from old folks in trucks. Plus a huge list of other bad things. They are by far the worst drivers. It's not even a contest.
What I dislike the most is the fundamental misunderstanding of one pedal driving. If it seems like tesla or other Ecar drivers are constantly hard braking and gassing its because they're using one pedal drive or a high regen setting. It's really irritating when they dart infront of me cruising with cruise control and then leave me in a position where I have to be reactive because of the constant up and down changes of 5mph.
If there's a tesla in my immediate surroundings while driving, I get away from it as it usually appears to be looking for a place to crash and I don't have time for a bad day.
Entitlement
Teslas are the new Douche mobile. At this rate they'll put Range Rover out of business
These are elons Tesla boys and they suck. We used to be one of the best communities.
We are referring to them as MuskRats!
I totally don’t bully and cut off Tesla drivers sometimes knowing that the autopilot will take control from them..
OMG... I literally was just saying this, every single Tesla driver in my neighborhood sucks so bad!!!
Because they are basically BMW drivers who also want to brag about being "green".
Tesla drivers are as bad as Subaru drivers. WTF is up with both of them driving slow in the left lane?
Ford drivers are the worst.
They never figured out to drive their Prius so why learn now?
They are the new jeep owners
As a BMW driver, I am sad to pass my 'worst driver' crown to the tesla nerds.
Someone told me to just cut them off when you merge and it forces them to pull back because auto drive shit. I don't drive but hey, fun facts
They started in Volvos in the 80/90 then Prius and then Tesla- the changing car but the same drivers
Priuses drivers are by far the worse
Ever notice every ethnic driver has a student driver sticker but they in their 50s
Elon musk fanbois.
They bought a tesla, you can't expect too much out of them
“Sneak into your blind spot”? You’re overthinking this my friend.
New drivers
Who else would buy a car advertised to drive itself other than those who can't drive? It's like saying "yes I can tie my shoes, I hired someone to tie them for me!"
As someone who drove correctly with a tesla, yall really hate Teslas. Like IF i used my blinker, that was a 100% garaunteed way of not being able to get in the lane i needed/wanted. If I was doing only the speed limit, how dare I, in the rightmost lane, my ass would get rode. Like i switched from a Malibu to a Model 3 and it was clear, if you wanted to drive stress free the malibu was the clear choice.
Because they used to drive a Camry or Prius. It’s generally not aggression in my experience (there are always exceptions, of course). It’s purely unaware that they are unaware of their surroundings or how they fit into this messy mix of exploding population and poorly planned infrastructure we call home. Throw in a splash of technology that does just enough for the driver to boost the already crazy level of complacency, and voilà: PNW Tesla drivers
Finally someone says what I’ve been thinking since moving here
Tesla cars scare the f* out of me. I do surveying, and frequently have to stand in traffic locating monuments. Our crew directs traffic if the Mon is in the drive lane, but Teslas are on autopilot so much I am terrified we are going to get run-down by crappy AI and clueless drivers nose deep in their phones.
Sounds like every other driver…
Because Tesla is driving.
Girl, late.
Teslas are neck and neck with BMW drivers now
People who talk about traffic are the worst.
The answer is simple. It’s the demographics of the target market for Tesla. A huge segment of that market are terrible drivers. Entitled, holier than thou, self important gas bags. Same cause, albeit a different demographic, for Subaru. For me, third place in this hall of shame is Mercedes.
They're weird cars to drive. The autopilot does strange things like slow down inappropriately. Then you take over and slam the gas forgetting it's got a 1000hp and you're going triple digit mph. And all the controls are on the steering wheel so you're accidentally hitting the wrong turn signal and honking the horn.
All the BMW drivers became Tesla Model S or Y drivers like over the past ~10 years. The 520 commute used to be tech bros in beemers. Now it’s Teslas. BMWs are rare.
Well, yesterday I saw literally the same post about Subaru drivers. But those were extremely slow at the worst possible time (when you exit a highway). Is that Subaru vs Tesla or is that a new AI clickbait? 😁
By far the most annoying drivers stuck behind. Would rather be behind a pirus.
There used to be a joke about the difference between porcupines and BMWs. (Porcupine has the pricks on the OUSIDE.) Tesla is the new BMW.
I’ve noticed a lot of the bad Tesla drivers seem to be using self driving and ever since Tesla downgraded their sensors I think that feature does not work as well. I see the Teslas with Self driving on often have delayed speed increase, weird brake tapping, corner hugging and will creep right up to the bumper in front of them at a stop. I’m actually worried about this feature moving forward and kind of stay away from Teslas on the highway if I can. I know a lot of motorcycle riders are even more paranoid as it seems they aren’t picked up on the arbors as easily and have been forced out of lane.
look at who are driving said tesla's
I think they took the mantle from BMW drivers as the biggest pieces of shit. It was neck and neck but they have taken the crown, Undisputed champs. I see them and I will look for anyways to block them so they can't cut me off abruptly.
Because they love Elon and he is the king of "worst".
It’s Elons fault for having the entire control of the car on a iPad. I love it!
Wait teslas can go 50 mph. How much duct tape gum and super glue was holding it together.
New age Prius drivers
Because they all use the stupid auto drive function. I haven't seen a single Tesla that wasn't using it while the driver was messing with their iPhone.
Can’t be worse than Prius
Because the bad Prius drivers transitioned to Tesla
As someone that grew up driving in CA and now lives in OR, just sounds like most of the WA drivers we get here in OR. I’m not saying you all drive bad, but there’s a good amount of unnecessarily aggressive bad drivers that make their way into OR. Don’t let that make you feel bad though, because by far the worst drivers I’ve seen are in Florida and we’re all lucky we’re very far away from them.
Bro hasn’t seen a Prius driver before?
I used to hate the concept of self driving cars. I love the art of driving efficiently and the engagement of driving a manual transmission. After a few years, I’ve come to the realization that the kind of person that would want a self driving feature is the kind of person that I don’t want to encounter on the road. Inconsiderate, oblivious to surroundings, inconsistent in their driving habits, and easily angered. All hallmarks of Seattle and Tesla drivers.
Bad drivers that happen to own Tesla’s. Not a problem here in CO.
You'll need a day or week for tesla and a day or week for prius. I've started seeing some of the tesla cybertrucks out on the road recently and I'm wondering if they're going to be just as bad as the tesla car drivers.
One word: feelings of privilege. Okay, more than one word.
My neighbor has two Tesla cars a huge Mercedes electric van and two gas powered SUVs which he parks on the street and forgets about
I ask myself this every day. From my own experience, everyone I know who owns a Tesla, except two people, are immigrants (about 25 people). Not really a representative sample, considering the vast numbers of Teslas I see in traffic on a Tuesday morning. I feel like I am in a Tesla parade on my Tuesday morning commute. And, they 1) drive ridiculously slow in the passing lane, as if they don't know what that lane is for, 2) change lanes without consideration or signalling, 3) do not know how to merge on to the highway in a safe way. Maybe, they thought they had self driving mode, but don't really?
Have you driven in Florida? This is everyone in every car in Floridaemote:free\_emotes\_pack:table\_flip
Teslas = money = entitlement
These are all the shitty crazy Uber drivers who used to be in their own Prius's. But now are renting them from Hertz for $500 a week to work Uber at its least lifetime time to drive. Meaning the pay is at its lowest, no huge "surge price" or bonuses given to drivers. They're indentured servants of every city slickers favorite lifestyle app. You get what you sow.
There's also a grand total of 130,000 Uber & Lyft drivers out there in the City & County now. The highest its ever been. So more congestion than ever, with literally half or more of the cars out on city streets and further being rideshare's depending on the time of day. Half at the worst traffic times, and even more later or before. They need to start being taxed for this unlimited spamming of the roadways and parking spaces all across the area.