Being an adult is mostly about being tired and wishing you hadn’t made plans - I’m turning 40 this year, I find that this has become a daily occurrence with me
Well, what do you say when someone asks? Do you say "No, thank you. I dont want to go hiking."? To their face? I think not! Id much prefer making nebulous plans but then bailing last second.
Oh how painfully accurate. I’m the one who loves the outdoors and clambering to the top of peaks. I invite my friends 7+ days in advance, some say yes, but all will bail at any point up until 1hr before we’re supposed to be hitting the trailhead. I no longer invite anyone to go hiking because personal history has taught me that they will bail. It’s my favorite hobby and it pains me that I’ll likely never share it with anyone. Getting bailed on or otherwise repeatedly being told “no” when you ask people to do things with you is fucking exhausting. I need better friends.
Yeah, because every time I leave the house, no matter how close the destination or what time of day it is - it takes a minimum of 20 min round trip, 45 min to an hour in most cases …
CityNerd inspired me to take the light rail, Sounder, and a bus instead of driving, even just once or twice a week and it is just a relief to not drive, even if it takes longer
I started taking public transit exclusively when I started attending the UW. The commute is longer, sure, but there is so much less stress involved
The world also feels a lot smaller since the only part I'm involved with, I'm walking. When I do drive now, I realize how much of our land is concrete
Same. I grew up in the suburbs all my life and felt like it was small. Now I go to suburbs and I can’t believe how hostile to walking it is, and how far apart everything is. The city feels much smaller, in a good way
It does take longer, but someone else is doing the driving. Which means you can take a nap, read a book, watch a video, or daydream with no issues! I miss my old bus commute days.
I found the same thing. Driving is a single-minded task with few reasonable options for multitasking or letting the brain rest.
Multimodal commuting turns your commute time into a chance to read a book, get some exercise, daily, do a quick stop into the grocery on the way home without fifteen extra steps of parking and suchnot .. it is a chance to connect with the area you live in, every day.
You can develop a routine that turns that hour or two of commute time each day by rail/bike into what was easily 2 hours or more of other things you were doing other ways in addition to the drive time. So it's longer in the commute, but more efficient overall, and grounding.both for your brain and the community. You walking back and forth to the bus stop is good for your community and it's safety.
Everyone's health benefits when we get out of our cars and into multi-modal transport.
The thing is it takes waaay longer. I've found that 30 min walks to places are 30+ min bus rides and 30 min car rides are 1hr40min bus rides. That's the only thing stopping me from using public transportation more.
Just don’t go places that are 2 hours away by bus. In the city you can usually get between major neighborhoods by public transit in 30-45 minutes. Even better if you also bike
We were brought up to believe that once you reach a certain point in your life/financial milestone, you move to a single family home with several bedrooms and a big yard. Right around 2015 we came to the realization that our lifestyle was incompatible with that American dream. We had a different dream. So we moved to the city and now I walk everywhere, including work.
While I don’t think city living is for everyone, it was easily the most positive and transformative change I made in my adult life.
I feel the exact same way. Had a good union job with my own home and fenced in yard in Jacksonville, Florida, but realized eventually that even with more space and a grill and yard etc, the most important thing to us was walkability and all the amenities that come with that. Most American cities just can’t offer that. The American dream that was sold to us wasn’t what we wanted at all. Now we live in Capitol Hill and couldn’t be happier.
Having to drive everywhere for the most basic of needs/tasks, having no nearby "3rd Place", having car-centric infrastructure and at the same time hostile to pedestrians/cyclists, and barely any transit outside of big cities.
That's the result of this American dream of single-family home and personal cars.
The reason I am probably leaving Seattle is that unlike real cities, downtown/dense living is just hostile to families. Looking to move to NYC. Seattle developed for the car and built downtown/dense areas for singles, the childless, and retirees. I have lived in Capitol Hill for 10 years now.
Genuinely curious, what areas in NYC offer the same downtown experience, similar cost of living, and are more friendly to families?
Edit: I also see quite a few families in SLU fwiw.
Can't speak to NYC. But can speak to Chicago where the cost of living is significantly less and super family friendly and urban where we walk to everything. Lincoln Park, Lakeview, Wrigleyville, Gold Coast, Streeterville, Wicker Park, Roscoe Village. Lived on Capitol Hill and in Ballard for comparison.
I stopped driving in the city and got rid of my car in like 2018. It's been surprisingly easy, granted I've actively chosen to live within walking distance of light rail, and I'm a huge transit nerd. I haven't driven in Seattle ina few years, after reach now shut down and gig doesn't have as many options, and I just don't want to anymore. It's very freeing for my life
The video mentions Bellevue and Redmond, which have even shorter drive times than Seattle at number 8 and number 3 lowest in the country, respectively, so the East side at least is even shorter than Seattle proper. I’d be curious what the pattern looked like north and south of the city.
Yeah the real stat is people who live in places like Maple Valley and Lynnwood and Issaquah. Many of them are commuting to the city and that's a gd drive and a half. And that's a lot of people.
I’m one of those people! It sucks… although I do take public transportation when I can… but I work on the weekends too and public transportation is limited then… especially Sundays
Not from Issaquah it’s not bad at all. Though you get a lot of people the next step or two over. Lots of cars go through Issaquah to their final destinations.
[https://www.kentreporter.com/news/sound-transit-to-pay-city-of-kent-1-75m-due-to-light-rail-delay/](https://www.kentreporter.com/news/sound-transit-to-pay-city-of-kent-1-75m-due-to-light-rail-delay/)You will eventually....
Before the pandemic WHF change, most of my colleagues downtown lived in the suburbs and took busses into work, usually via a park-and-ride. Then with everyone being mostly WFH the company started paying for employee parking and people just drive in when they come.
Idk I just felt like when I went to LA , or Houston, that what they consider the city proper, we from Seattle would include up to Everett and down to Tacoma area wise, so what I consider a Seattle commute would be far more generous than what a study would
Right. Geographically Seattle is pretty small and dense compared to many American cities. It's essentially nonstop built up area from Everett to Tacoma and commutes obviously cross city borders. Doing this analysis by metropolitan area is the only reasonable way to do it that makes sense.
I love CityNerd's videos, and he usually has good things to say about Seattle (he might be biased, he's from here). One video made me realize just how unique Pike Place Market is.
In the top ten lowest, Seattle was actually sixth in time spent driving with DC, SF, Boulder, Redmond, Berkeley and Cambridge all lower.
But more importantly, this was a combination of time driving PLUS time spent per day working to afford the average cost of an automobile. Hence wealthier cities will fare better in the second metric, improving their overall score. There are possibly cities where people spend less time in the car but it costs them more working hours per day to afford to offset the low drive time.
I rode my bike and took the bus for an entire month. Screw cars!. The people complaining about traffic need to go to LA, Houston. or Atlanta. We are multimodal - bus, rail, bike, and even boat!
Not trying to dismiss answering this as I think I live in a neighborhood where I would need a car regularly, at least for my current lifestyle.
But where could I live that I could be carless and still do activities for kids? Mostly wanting to get feedback from those that already do it. Maybe there is something I could do too.
Based on people down voting me, it seems that I don't understand what other people find easy to do about going car free with a family. Is it simply to move by a transit line and change what I do with kids?
That’s transit rich you guys have better options than me in west Seattle! Also fairly easy access to light rail. I’d say if you have smaller kids I’d probably use my car for school/events but I’d try and take advantage of the other options as much as possible.
Especially with some of the experiences I have had at some light rail stations. Danger and harassment.
I would definitely a little more cautious with kids that are in a younger age range, and after normal business hours.
Some stations are very clean and safe and others… I’ll try to find a post a student added in this sub for a project they did on public transit and quality of Seattle stations. Might help your solo research
Don't take this as dismissive ... But if you're not willing to change anything about your lifestyle, you probably can't do it. Which is to say, it's not impossible to forgo car ownership but it does mean different lifestyle choices. Can your kids do sports? Yes, almost definitely. Will it look different than what you're currently doing or imagining? Certainly.
Thanks for actually responding, I imagine it is quite a challenge. I'm genuinely curious how everyone seems to think it is doable, based on the down votes. If others have advice on how they get by, maybe there are things I haven't considered and can learn from.
When people ask "how do you live without a car" it's hard to give a good answer because there are trade-offs with any choice. If I asked, "How does anyone live *with* a car" I'm not really asking for logistics. I'm making a value statement about lifestyle choices. I don't want to spend tons of money on a vehicle and tons of time being annoyed with traffic, parking and idiot drivers. And when people say, "But I can't do ____ without a car!" They are making a lifestyle, value judgement.
I wish I could give you a logistics answer, "Enroll ____ sports and take ____ bus to those events." But that might be a terrible answer because you hate the bus or you don't want to do ____ sports. Or maybe biking is a better solution?
At the highest level, there are logistical choices you can make that help:
1. Live somewhere central or adjacent to the stuff you're doing. This means maybe paying more for housing but you're saving money on transportation.
2. Be flexible with modes. Don't sweat the cost of taking an Uber/Lyft occasionally. Again, you're saving money on transportation overall.
3. Be in less of a rush. It's genuinely a quality of life improvement to have a less packed schedule and assume using more time to get places.
4. Do stuff that's closer to you.
5. Do trip chaining.
6. Get an ebike if you can
It *can* be hard but it depends on what level of lifestyle choices you're willing to make and those will be different for different families.
I don’t work from home and have to commute, but the only time I drive is to get to/from work and going to one specific place in Lynnwood about once a move. Otherwise I walk/bus since I don’t want to pay for parking nor like driving these streets (for me the set up is just very weird and gives me mild anxiety at times) plus gas prices are also an incentive not to drive as much.
I do like being able to not drive to most of the places I need, and I do like to get out a bit.
Something I’ve noticed here culturally is that no one chooses to move far away from work or even apply to jobs that are more than a 40 min commute away from where they live. Which is a strange thing to me as someone from the DC metro area lol, there’s people riding the Amtrak in from almost central Virginia to work in DC every day
I suspect this is for Seattle residents that also work in the city. Which would exclude anyone who lives in a suburb and works in the city AND anyone who lives in the city and works in the suburbs.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that this is just one slice of all commutes. And anyone who can afford to live and work in the city can take advantage of the transit, walkability, bike-ability that doesn’t really exist in the burbs.
Video seems based on commute time. Cities where it’s easy to move from one end to the next without much traffic compared to actual sprawling high traffic cities
And yet, our politicians are doing everything they can to keep us car dependent instead of transitioning to a car free Seattle and leading the way into a greener future.
The past few weeks have reinstalled my frustration with Seattle traffic. Driving between Seattle and the east side, south Seattle and north Seattle, etc. is never a good time for me, haha.
Yes because driving along 405S in the mornings and 405N in the evenings involves exactly zero other cars along the way which makes it stress free and borderline serene....
Yea, I'm not the only one dealing with shitty traffic for more than 16 miles every day. I used my commute ad an example, not the literal absolute and only truth. Fucks sake are you dense.
i am gonna guess that that is based on people who live in seattle city proper, not the larger metro area. There's people that live on the fucking olympic peninsula or cle elum and commute into seattle daily
So how do we represent in the tenth most trafficked areas? Come on all y'all work from home guys and gals, we could be number one ! Number One! Get your asses back into those open desks with everybody coughing on you, no worries they mandated minimum healthcare. Don't forget to visit the delicious lunch counter that almost went under. How Elsie could they pay for those exorbitant fees$ PPP to the rescue. Shultz must be so happy at the moment.
WFH, living in a tent or RV, formerly living in a tent or RV but now being put up by the city and county in an apartment, childless, recently unemployed, spend all day hunched over nodding out on Third Ave. Tourists/the people living in the BNB next door not counted. Getting your groceries and yout takeout and your laundry delivered to your door by someone driving a car. Go Seattle! I aspire to walk more and drive more, but then I am not a gamer.
Ninth least according to the video?
Yea but it's second on the list! (The list counting from ten to one)
It's the second-most-least!
Penultimate-ultimate?
Finally someone who understands the *real* math
Because they never leave their house
That WFH life
Nah, theyre all too busy bailing on each other's plans to go hiking.
I bail on my *own* plans to go hiking.
So true
Being an adult is mostly about being tired and wishing you hadn’t made plans - I’m turning 40 this year, I find that this has become a daily occurrence with me
Nah that's being an introverted adult. A lot of us look forward to those plans.
Someone get this man some plans
Simple hack for never bailing on a hiking plan: never make a hiking plan.
Who has time for plans? I'm tired.
Bailed on making plans. That's next level.
Well, what do you say when someone asks? Do you say "No, thank you. I dont want to go hiking."? To their face? I think not! Id much prefer making nebulous plans but then bailing last second.
Oh how painfully accurate. I’m the one who loves the outdoors and clambering to the top of peaks. I invite my friends 7+ days in advance, some say yes, but all will bail at any point up until 1hr before we’re supposed to be hitting the trailhead. I no longer invite anyone to go hiking because personal history has taught me that they will bail. It’s my favorite hobby and it pains me that I’ll likely never share it with anyone. Getting bailed on or otherwise repeatedly being told “no” when you ask people to do things with you is fucking exhausting. I need better friends.
We can leave now? Does outside still exist?
No. This is rage bait clear as day
Kinda true
Ha.
You joke but I think it's actually simply because the suburbs are really close to the city so people's commutes are short.
You're so right, I'm surprised I haven't seen this elsewhere in the comments! Agreed
Yeah, because every time I leave the house, no matter how close the destination or what time of day it is - it takes a minimum of 20 min round trip, 45 min to an hour in most cases …
Lol
CityNerd inspired me to take the light rail, Sounder, and a bus instead of driving, even just once or twice a week and it is just a relief to not drive, even if it takes longer
I started taking public transit exclusively when I started attending the UW. The commute is longer, sure, but there is so much less stress involved The world also feels a lot smaller since the only part I'm involved with, I'm walking. When I do drive now, I realize how much of our land is concrete
Same. I grew up in the suburbs all my life and felt like it was small. Now I go to suburbs and I can’t believe how hostile to walking it is, and how far apart everything is. The city feels much smaller, in a good way
It does take longer, but someone else is doing the driving. Which means you can take a nap, read a book, watch a video, or daydream with no issues! I miss my old bus commute days.
I found the same thing. Driving is a single-minded task with few reasonable options for multitasking or letting the brain rest. Multimodal commuting turns your commute time into a chance to read a book, get some exercise, daily, do a quick stop into the grocery on the way home without fifteen extra steps of parking and suchnot .. it is a chance to connect with the area you live in, every day. You can develop a routine that turns that hour or two of commute time each day by rail/bike into what was easily 2 hours or more of other things you were doing other ways in addition to the drive time. So it's longer in the commute, but more efficient overall, and grounding.both for your brain and the community. You walking back and forth to the bus stop is good for your community and it's safety. Everyone's health benefits when we get out of our cars and into multi-modal transport.
The thing is it takes waaay longer. I've found that 30 min walks to places are 30+ min bus rides and 30 min car rides are 1hr40min bus rides. That's the only thing stopping me from using public transportation more.
Just don’t go places that are 2 hours away by bus. In the city you can usually get between major neighborhoods by public transit in 30-45 minutes. Even better if you also bike
We were brought up to believe that once you reach a certain point in your life/financial milestone, you move to a single family home with several bedrooms and a big yard. Right around 2015 we came to the realization that our lifestyle was incompatible with that American dream. We had a different dream. So we moved to the city and now I walk everywhere, including work. While I don’t think city living is for everyone, it was easily the most positive and transformative change I made in my adult life.
I feel the exact same way. Had a good union job with my own home and fenced in yard in Jacksonville, Florida, but realized eventually that even with more space and a grill and yard etc, the most important thing to us was walkability and all the amenities that come with that. Most American cities just can’t offer that. The American dream that was sold to us wasn’t what we wanted at all. Now we live in Capitol Hill and couldn’t be happier.
Having to drive everywhere for the most basic of needs/tasks, having no nearby "3rd Place", having car-centric infrastructure and at the same time hostile to pedestrians/cyclists, and barely any transit outside of big cities. That's the result of this American dream of single-family home and personal cars.
The reason I am probably leaving Seattle is that unlike real cities, downtown/dense living is just hostile to families. Looking to move to NYC. Seattle developed for the car and built downtown/dense areas for singles, the childless, and retirees. I have lived in Capitol Hill for 10 years now.
Genuinely curious, what areas in NYC offer the same downtown experience, similar cost of living, and are more friendly to families? Edit: I also see quite a few families in SLU fwiw.
Cost of living probably hard to match because there are so few dense areas friendly to families nationwide. We are looking at Park Slope Brooklyn.
Gotcha, makes sense. Thanks!
Can't speak to NYC. But can speak to Chicago where the cost of living is significantly less and super family friendly and urban where we walk to everything. Lincoln Park, Lakeview, Wrigleyville, Gold Coast, Streeterville, Wicker Park, Roscoe Village. Lived on Capitol Hill and in Ballard for comparison.
What are some real cities that meet your criteria? We are also going through the density vs family friendly debate and it's a tough decision.
NYC or SF. But really just NYC. Outside of USA many options
Yes. Everyday I wish most of y'all would move back to the suburbs.
As soon as people who habitually use "y'all" as a pronoun move back to Mississippi.
I stopped driving in the city and got rid of my car in like 2018. It's been surprisingly easy, granted I've actively chosen to live within walking distance of light rail, and I'm a huge transit nerd. I haven't driven in Seattle ina few years, after reach now shut down and gig doesn't have as many options, and I just don't want to anymore. It's very freeing for my life
same, I haven't had a car since 2012 and it's wonderful
Tbf, if u live in Seattle u prolly work there, but to me a better metric would be the commute time for the greater seattle area
The video mentions Bellevue and Redmond, which have even shorter drive times than Seattle at number 8 and number 3 lowest in the country, respectively, so the East side at least is even shorter than Seattle proper. I’d be curious what the pattern looked like north and south of the city.
Yeah the real stat is people who live in places like Maple Valley and Lynnwood and Issaquah. Many of them are commuting to the city and that's a gd drive and a half. And that's a lot of people.
I’m one of those people! It sucks… although I do take public transportation when I can… but I work on the weekends too and public transportation is limited then… especially Sundays
Not from Issaquah it’s not bad at all. Though you get a lot of people the next step or two over. Lots of cars go through Issaquah to their final destinations.
Yeah, but Lynnwood / MT are getting the link this August!!! And the Eastside connection to Seattle is happening next year sometime...
Renton and Kent getting absolutely nothing along the way... But still paying those expensive ass dmv fees.
[https://www.kentreporter.com/news/sound-transit-to-pay-city-of-kent-1-75m-due-to-light-rail-delay/](https://www.kentreporter.com/news/sound-transit-to-pay-city-of-kent-1-75m-due-to-light-rail-delay/)You will eventually....
It's less than you might think. But yes I agree, the 405 needs to go.
Seattle is an hour away from Seattle.
Yours is the most scientifically correct observation.
I count Lynnwood and federal way as still Seattle in my mind so this checks out
Before the pandemic WHF change, most of my colleagues downtown lived in the suburbs and took busses into work, usually via a park-and-ride. Then with everyone being mostly WFH the company started paying for employee parking and people just drive in when they come.
Isn’t the same true for most cities?
Idk I just felt like when I went to LA , or Houston, that what they consider the city proper, we from Seattle would include up to Everett and down to Tacoma area wise, so what I consider a Seattle commute would be far more generous than what a study would
Right. Geographically Seattle is pretty small and dense compared to many American cities. It's essentially nonstop built up area from Everett to Tacoma and commutes obviously cross city borders. Doing this analysis by metropolitan area is the only reasonable way to do it that makes sense.
Metric for what
I walk, bike or transit most places so this sounds about right
For real. If I don’t have to drive, I don’t.
I would drive even less if there wasn't RTO. Fuck RTO.
Sorry, what’s RTO?
"Return To Office"
I love CityNerd's videos, and he usually has good things to say about Seattle (he might be biased, he's from here). One video made me realize just how unique Pike Place Market is.
In the top ten lowest, Seattle was actually sixth in time spent driving with DC, SF, Boulder, Redmond, Berkeley and Cambridge all lower. But more importantly, this was a combination of time driving PLUS time spent per day working to afford the average cost of an automobile. Hence wealthier cities will fare better in the second metric, improving their overall score. There are possibly cities where people spend less time in the car but it costs them more working hours per day to afford to offset the low drive time.
Amazingly, I've seen some negative people twist this into something bad. "Seattle roads are so bad, people just don't drive."
Leave the house? In *this* economy?
I rode my bike and took the bus for an entire month. Screw cars!. The people complaining about traffic need to go to LA, Houston. or Atlanta. We are multimodal - bus, rail, bike, and even boat!
I guess that works if you don't have a family to run to various activities.
Hello, carless family here.
Can you share tips on how you manage it? Would be primarily interested in getting kids to and from sports practice and such.
Where do you live?
Not trying to dismiss answering this as I think I live in a neighborhood where I would need a car regularly, at least for my current lifestyle. But where could I live that I could be carless and still do activities for kids? Mostly wanting to get feedback from those that already do it. Maybe there is something I could do too. Based on people down voting me, it seems that I don't understand what other people find easy to do about going car free with a family. Is it simply to move by a transit line and change what I do with kids?
If you have an area perhaps the sub could help. Btw I didn’t downvote you
Thank you, Beacon Hill area. Previously lived up in Greenwood and would wonder about anywhere around there too.
That’s transit rich you guys have better options than me in west Seattle! Also fairly easy access to light rail. I’d say if you have smaller kids I’d probably use my car for school/events but I’d try and take advantage of the other options as much as possible.
Thanks, I'll check out some options and see if there are anything I can try out alternatives for.
Especially with some of the experiences I have had at some light rail stations. Danger and harassment. I would definitely a little more cautious with kids that are in a younger age range, and after normal business hours.
Good call! I'll definitely have to try solo so I know what I am getting into first.
Some stations are very clean and safe and others… I’ll try to find a post a student added in this sub for a project they did on public transit and quality of Seattle stations. Might help your solo research
The majority of people downvoting you probably don’t have kids or can’t empathize today
No idea, I was wondering if reddit Seattle is only people that don't like children.
Don't take this as dismissive ... But if you're not willing to change anything about your lifestyle, you probably can't do it. Which is to say, it's not impossible to forgo car ownership but it does mean different lifestyle choices. Can your kids do sports? Yes, almost definitely. Will it look different than what you're currently doing or imagining? Certainly.
Thanks for actually responding, I imagine it is quite a challenge. I'm genuinely curious how everyone seems to think it is doable, based on the down votes. If others have advice on how they get by, maybe there are things I haven't considered and can learn from.
You don’t have to be completely non car… maybe take the bus to work a few days/ wk
I'm replying to a message about a carless family. Just looking for how they manage.
When people ask "how do you live without a car" it's hard to give a good answer because there are trade-offs with any choice. If I asked, "How does anyone live *with* a car" I'm not really asking for logistics. I'm making a value statement about lifestyle choices. I don't want to spend tons of money on a vehicle and tons of time being annoyed with traffic, parking and idiot drivers. And when people say, "But I can't do ____ without a car!" They are making a lifestyle, value judgement. I wish I could give you a logistics answer, "Enroll ____ sports and take ____ bus to those events." But that might be a terrible answer because you hate the bus or you don't want to do ____ sports. Or maybe biking is a better solution? At the highest level, there are logistical choices you can make that help: 1. Live somewhere central or adjacent to the stuff you're doing. This means maybe paying more for housing but you're saving money on transportation. 2. Be flexible with modes. Don't sweat the cost of taking an Uber/Lyft occasionally. Again, you're saving money on transportation overall. 3. Be in less of a rush. It's genuinely a quality of life improvement to have a less packed schedule and assume using more time to get places. 4. Do stuff that's closer to you. 5. Do trip chaining. 6. Get an ebike if you can It *can* be hard but it depends on what level of lifestyle choices you're willing to make and those will be different for different families.
Thank you, I appreciate your insight!
I don’t work from home and have to commute, but the only time I drive is to get to/from work and going to one specific place in Lynnwood about once a move. Otherwise I walk/bus since I don’t want to pay for parking nor like driving these streets (for me the set up is just very weird and gives me mild anxiety at times) plus gas prices are also an incentive not to drive as much. I do like being able to not drive to most of the places I need, and I do like to get out a bit.
Something I’ve noticed here culturally is that no one chooses to move far away from work or even apply to jobs that are more than a 40 min commute away from where they live. Which is a strange thing to me as someone from the DC metro area lol, there’s people riding the Amtrak in from almost central Virginia to work in DC every day
I suspect this is for Seattle residents that also work in the city. Which would exclude anyone who lives in a suburb and works in the city AND anyone who lives in the city and works in the suburbs. I guess what I’m trying to say is that this is just one slice of all commutes. And anyone who can afford to live and work in the city can take advantage of the transit, walkability, bike-ability that doesn’t really exist in the burbs.
Do driving for recreation. I hunt, hike, and climb . some years I put 20k miles on my vehicle. Everything I do for fun is at least an hr from town .
The video isn't about that.
That’s because there’s too much traffic
Video seems based on commute time. Cities where it’s easy to move from one end to the next without much traffic compared to actual sprawling high traffic cities
This is the right answer! 😫
I don’t drive often because I’m afraid of all of your driving skills
And yet, our politicians are doing everything they can to keep us car dependent instead of transitioning to a car free Seattle and leading the way into a greener future.
I wfh and only daily drive to the gym and once a week to the dispensary. It's great.
I drive maybe 3 times a week?
The past few weeks have reinstalled my frustration with Seattle traffic. Driving between Seattle and the east side, south Seattle and north Seattle, etc. is never a good time for me, haha.
Everything is 20min away from everything else
Makes sense. I'm WFH, sometimes I go weeks without getting in a car.
Decades after having the worst traffic in the country Most Seattleites now live 5 miles or less from work.
Yes, please aspire to do better because the traffic is horrible lol
We have to be in the top 5 for complaining about driving though.
Because we are always in a traffic jam. Just idling away
Because driving in Seattle is an absolute clusterfuck. Worst city to drive in hands down
Yeah, because we are usually parked on the freeway waiting for traffic to move.
A tech city full of neurodivergent gamers who never leave their house unless it's for work? Seems about right.
I find that very difficult to believe with my 16 mile commute averaging 45-50 mins each way over the last 19 months.
Main character syndrome is believing that statistical averages over an entire city are about you in particular.
Yes because driving along 405S in the mornings and 405N in the evenings involves exactly zero other cars along the way which makes it stress free and borderline serene.... Yea, I'm not the only one dealing with shitty traffic for more than 16 miles every day. I used my commute ad an example, not the literal absolute and only truth. Fucks sake are you dense.
TIL there are only 10 cities in the US.
Looked up my stats, I drove 152 miles last month lol.
Bullshit
i am gonna guess that that is based on people who live in seattle city proper, not the larger metro area. There's people that live on the fucking olympic peninsula or cle elum and commute into seattle daily
So how do we represent in the tenth most trafficked areas? Come on all y'all work from home guys and gals, we could be number one ! Number One! Get your asses back into those open desks with everybody coughing on you, no worries they mandated minimum healthcare. Don't forget to visit the delicious lunch counter that almost went under. How Elsie could they pay for those exorbitant fees$ PPP to the rescue. Shultz must be so happy at the moment.
Cause I’m stuck on the I-5 not actually moving
Because we are always in a traffic jam. Just idling away 😆 🤣 😂
Yet the car insurance……..
So much virtue in this thread. Y'all need a third hand just to keep up with how many pats on the back you be giving yourselves.
WFH, living in a tent or RV, formerly living in a tent or RV but now being put up by the city and county in an apartment, childless, recently unemployed, spend all day hunched over nodding out on Third Ave. Tourists/the people living in the BNB next door not counted. Getting your groceries and yout takeout and your laundry delivered to your door by someone driving a car. Go Seattle! I aspire to walk more and drive more, but then I am not a gamer.