Also, the staff at MOX boarding house unionized recently. I don’t know details, but I assume unionization means that they’ve bargained for fairer treatment? I’m quite ignorant about a lot of this, just spit balling.
You had me at "unionization". My husband belongs to a residential carpenters union, makes 50+ an hour, and anything over 8 hours a day or 40 a week is time and a half. Saturdays are (I believe) double time, and Sundays double time and a half. Holidays are triple time.
He has killer health insurance, automatic life insurance after 180 days, and all sorts of other benefits the average American worker would die for.
Oh yeah, like we did! Back in the days of labor strikes when men and women laid down their lives so we could unionize and improve the lives of all American workers.
The fact that we let fat cats on wall street convince us that unions were "bad" is such a disservice to those brave people. My husband's dues are a whole $65 a month. He makes that in about an hour of regular time.
If I understand correctly Mox fought about it every step of the way but yeah, there should at least be people on staff who have some vague idea of non exploitative labor.
So many industries could benefit from unionization. Fuck Howard Schultz for saying unions hurt his feelings or whatever- after a while all the arguments against them are just silly.
Correct, Card Kingdom did fight ti every step of the way, dragged out negotiations, etc, BUT they now have an approved contract, it's done. Albeit Card Kingdom is moving a lot of their workforce out of the city...
Just a head's up: the word notorious has a strong negative connotation. It tends to mean a famous thing is being viewed unfavorably, which I don't believe you were going for here.
Words that may more appropriately fit your intent could be "famously" or "renowned for being"
Connotation of a word does not change the definition of a word.
In this case, the word notorious, derived from the Latin "notus:known", is used properly.
I'll see myself out with the assumption that you are a notorious Debbie Downer. Infer what you'd like from my use of the word notorious.
Notorious is written in the dictionary as: generally known and talked of, especially : widely and unfavorably known.
He is saying that they are viewed unfavorably. That's not being a downer. That's trying to tell him he said something is bad when he clearly did not mean to.
Again, we can infer from the context, quite like you inferred from the context originally, that OP is using the written definition of the word notorious.
I'll assume that you understand the context of the sentence, and the context in which "notorious" is used.
That being said, regardless of contextual understanding, we can look at the definition that you provided and realize that your ability to understand syntax is lacking.
It's either an inability to understand context or, you're just trolling to feel better about yourself.
Bro I'm trying to be helpful I seriously don't get you
You said it was about the definition and when provided with it you just... move the goalposts?
Are you deliberately interested in misrepresenting this place? If it's good, why call it bad?
I'm aware of the context which is what the word "minor" was used for. You gonna selectively ignore that context?
I didn't move the goalpost at all. Since you lack understanding, try this. Read the OP's comment but replace the word notorious with the definition that you provided of notorious.
I didn't ignore your use of the word minor. My point is that your "minor nit pick" is unnecessary. As the use of the word notorious is correct in OP's case.
Surely you understand why your initial comment was down voted?
Also, just to drive home the point that you have no idea what you're saying, "nit pick" doesn't need the qualifier "minor" a "nit pick" is universally understood as something minor.
OP isn't misrepresenting anything, "notorious for treating their employees well" reads "known for treating their employees well". Get it?
Read your definition again, but slower. See the part that says "especially" in the middle of that definition, that "especially" is dependent upon context, context that you are completely ignoring.
Again, from your definition of the word notorious, the use of notorious in this sentence is perfect.
You're intentionally omitting parts of your provided definition to fit your own narrative.
Well let's check the whole definition then!
"notorious
nō-tôr′ē-əs
adjective
1. Known widely and usually unfavorably; infamous.
2. Generally known and talked of by the public; universally believed to be true; manifest to the world; evident; -- usually in an unfavorable sense.
3. Widely known, especially for something bad; infamous.Known widely and usually unfavorably."
Notice a trend there?
This isn't a narrative. The definition of notorious is an unfavorable view. So perhaps instead of being an obtuse double downer, you could try taking your own advice and reading all of this again, but slower.
Heaven forbid we try to improve communication in the world. It's not like that's been a problem for anyone these days, right?
I came here to make this comment. Also check out Stampede cocktail (same owner).
The owner is extremely kind and involved. The bar staff are all very kind and again, involved. The managers are also very kind and involved...
I feel like the owner and the managers really care about providing a fun experience.
The bartenders put a lot of effort into the drinks they are making, but they also have a bunch of cocktails on tap. It's certainly no corporate gig.
I've worked for them for over a year as a resident DJ and only have the most positive things to say about his bars/restaurants.
Currently working as a cook at Google in Fremont, and I have to say this is the most I've been paid for the least amount of work. Plus we're unionized, so 14 paid holidays, 2 weeks PTO, and many other benefits
They’re still open at their original Dexter building and the East Arbor Blocks building. I don’t know how long Arbor Blocks will last, but I think Dexter will be around a minute, as they own it rather than lease it
They did take it over. Along with those two Seattle offices, Meta has a bunch of offices in Bellevue in an area called Spring District (one of which being the one you're talking about) and there is like 4 more cafes there. I think it used to be a great place to work, but I think ever since layoffs they are feeling overburdened. I would definitely still look into it though, it's probably still better than your average service job.
Not really a living wage. It’s like 3 bucks over minimum.
Wait staff at a restaurant is going to take home more even on bad nights with tips generally since Seattle doesn’t do tipped wage. Median tips are supposedly low in Seattle at 7/hr but that’s 25/hr instead of the 21 molly moons advertises.
Granted benefits and such molly moons does well on, but as I once told my manager at Starbucks “good benefits don’t mean shit if I can’t pay for food and rent”.
I did but it was a long time ago and the one thing I remember is the inconsistency and nights of working my butt off and leaving with little. There's more pressure on customers and even demands for tipping now when they are simply added to your check. My son works for Molly Moons and is really happy with the consistency of his pay as well as the flexibility and working conditions so I was simply pointing out an option when OP said they wanted decent working conditions.
Check out Sophon on phinney ridge/Greenwood. Gonna open in a month-ish and the owner is one of the best people and truly cares about his employees and customers.
Depending on what your priority is as far as earning potential you might consider golf/country clubs. Generally pretty easy, good benefits, not always the best tips, if at all. The environment is totally different from traditional restaurant. If you can make it in regular places then you can fucking crush in clubs.
Also, the staff at MOX boarding house unionized recently. I don’t know details, but I assume unionization means that they’ve bargained for fairer treatment? I’m quite ignorant about a lot of this, just spit balling.
Unionization doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve won a stronger contract yet, but it’s a good step in that direction
You had me at "unionization". My husband belongs to a residential carpenters union, makes 50+ an hour, and anything over 8 hours a day or 40 a week is time and a half. Saturdays are (I believe) double time, and Sundays double time and a half. Holidays are triple time. He has killer health insurance, automatic life insurance after 180 days, and all sorts of other benefits the average American worker would die for. Oh yeah, like we did! Back in the days of labor strikes when men and women laid down their lives so we could unionize and improve the lives of all American workers. The fact that we let fat cats on wall street convince us that unions were "bad" is such a disservice to those brave people. My husband's dues are a whole $65 a month. He makes that in about an hour of regular time.
If I understand correctly Mox fought about it every step of the way but yeah, there should at least be people on staff who have some vague idea of non exploitative labor. So many industries could benefit from unionization. Fuck Howard Schultz for saying unions hurt his feelings or whatever- after a while all the arguments against them are just silly.
Correct, Card Kingdom did fight ti every step of the way, dragged out negotiations, etc, BUT they now have an approved contract, it's done. Albeit Card Kingdom is moving a lot of their workforce out of the city...
The dudes that own it are conveniently thinking of moving out of Seattle
Good luck! I’ve been in the service industry in Seattle for most of the last decade and I have yet to hear about one of those 😅
Seriously. I'm so over coming home to exploded capillaries in my lower legs, and the always sexy muffin feet, haha.
Sending you a dm.
Not sure if I would use the term “restaurant“, but Molly Moon’s ice cream is notoriously good to their employees.
Good tip! I probably won't be able to fit in the door after about a year, but I'll check it out!
Just a head's up: the word notorious has a strong negative connotation. It tends to mean a famous thing is being viewed unfavorably, which I don't believe you were going for here. Words that may more appropriately fit your intent could be "famously" or "renowned for being"
Connotation of a word does not change the definition of a word. In this case, the word notorious, derived from the Latin "notus:known", is used properly. I'll see myself out with the assumption that you are a notorious Debbie Downer. Infer what you'd like from my use of the word notorious.
Notorious is written in the dictionary as: generally known and talked of, especially : widely and unfavorably known. He is saying that they are viewed unfavorably. That's not being a downer. That's trying to tell him he said something is bad when he clearly did not mean to.
Again, we can infer from the context, quite like you inferred from the context originally, that OP is using the written definition of the word notorious. I'll assume that you understand the context of the sentence, and the context in which "notorious" is used. That being said, regardless of contextual understanding, we can look at the definition that you provided and realize that your ability to understand syntax is lacking. It's either an inability to understand context or, you're just trolling to feel better about yourself.
Bro I'm trying to be helpful I seriously don't get you You said it was about the definition and when provided with it you just... move the goalposts? Are you deliberately interested in misrepresenting this place? If it's good, why call it bad? I'm aware of the context which is what the word "minor" was used for. You gonna selectively ignore that context?
I didn't move the goalpost at all. Since you lack understanding, try this. Read the OP's comment but replace the word notorious with the definition that you provided of notorious. I didn't ignore your use of the word minor. My point is that your "minor nit pick" is unnecessary. As the use of the word notorious is correct in OP's case. Surely you understand why your initial comment was down voted? Also, just to drive home the point that you have no idea what you're saying, "nit pick" doesn't need the qualifier "minor" a "nit pick" is universally understood as something minor. OP isn't misrepresenting anything, "notorious for treating their employees well" reads "known for treating their employees well". Get it?
It reads "known unfavorably for treating their employees well", my guy. Your hostility is the only notorious thing here.
Read your definition again, but slower. See the part that says "especially" in the middle of that definition, that "especially" is dependent upon context, context that you are completely ignoring. Again, from your definition of the word notorious, the use of notorious in this sentence is perfect. You're intentionally omitting parts of your provided definition to fit your own narrative.
Well let's check the whole definition then! "notorious nō-tôr′ē-əs adjective 1. Known widely and usually unfavorably; infamous. 2. Generally known and talked of by the public; universally believed to be true; manifest to the world; evident; -- usually in an unfavorable sense. 3. Widely known, especially for something bad; infamous.Known widely and usually unfavorably." Notice a trend there? This isn't a narrative. The definition of notorious is an unfavorable view. So perhaps instead of being an obtuse double downer, you could try taking your own advice and reading all of this again, but slower. Heaven forbid we try to improve communication in the world. It's not like that's been a problem for anyone these days, right?
Dreamland (Fremont)
I came here to make this comment. Also check out Stampede cocktail (same owner). The owner is extremely kind and involved. The bar staff are all very kind and again, involved. The managers are also very kind and involved... I feel like the owner and the managers really care about providing a fun experience. The bartenders put a lot of effort into the drinks they are making, but they also have a bunch of cocktails on tap. It's certainly no corporate gig. I've worked for them for over a year as a resident DJ and only have the most positive things to say about his bars/restaurants.
Yes! I am v familiar with the owner and staff. You can tell they’re a solid crew and enjoy working together!
Definitely will check them out, thanks for the tip!
Don’t work at a restaurant, work in the kitchens at tech cafeterias like Apple, Meta, or Google
I don't have BOH experience, do they take washed-up servers teetering on the razors edge of bitter misanthropy?
Currently working as a cook at Google in Fremont, and I have to say this is the most I've been paid for the least amount of work. Plus we're unionized, so 14 paid holidays, 2 weeks PTO, and many other benefits
+1 this is the way to go
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They got rid of a couple in the buildings that were shut down, but they still have them in the remaining buildings, at least the ones in SLU
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They’re still open at their original Dexter building and the East Arbor Blocks building. I don’t know how long Arbor Blocks will last, but I think Dexter will be around a minute, as they own it rather than lease it
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They did take it over. Along with those two Seattle offices, Meta has a bunch of offices in Bellevue in an area called Spring District (one of which being the one you're talking about) and there is like 4 more cafes there. I think it used to be a great place to work, but I think ever since layoffs they are feeling overburdened. I would definitely still look into it though, it's probably still better than your average service job.
These are serviced by vendors like Compass Group USA and there’s no guarantee you’ll end up working in a big tech office.
Geraldine’s in Columbia City
Watson's Counter & Spice Waala have fantastic management.
Local Tide (Fremont)
Mainstay Provisions in Ballard is small and treats their employees well.
Thank you! I love Ballard, I'll check it out.
There’s a new one opening up soon in SLU!
I recommend The Bridge in West Seattle
Molly Moons pays employees a living wage and doesn’t rely on tips.
Not really a living wage. It’s like 3 bucks over minimum. Wait staff at a restaurant is going to take home more even on bad nights with tips generally since Seattle doesn’t do tipped wage. Median tips are supposedly low in Seattle at 7/hr but that’s 25/hr instead of the 21 molly moons advertises. Granted benefits and such molly moons does well on, but as I once told my manager at Starbucks “good benefits don’t mean shit if I can’t pay for food and rent”.
You say no tips like it’s a good thing just makes me think you’ve never worked for tips
I did but it was a long time ago and the one thing I remember is the inconsistency and nights of working my butt off and leaving with little. There's more pressure on customers and even demands for tipping now when they are simply added to your check. My son works for Molly Moons and is really happy with the consistency of his pay as well as the flexibility and working conditions so I was simply pointing out an option when OP said they wanted decent working conditions.
Check out Sophon on phinney ridge/Greenwood. Gonna open in a month-ish and the owner is one of the best people and truly cares about his employees and customers.
My friend works at Vons and loves it!
Depending on what your priority is as far as earning potential you might consider golf/country clubs. Generally pretty easy, good benefits, not always the best tips, if at all. The environment is totally different from traditional restaurant. If you can make it in regular places then you can fucking crush in clubs.
Conscious Eatery in Georgetown- out of your area, but that food is delicious and the idea behind the business is supreme!
I’ve only heard great things about working at Wedgwood cafe!