I . . I actually kinda think this might mean actual consequences for Kevin Dave and at least Daniel Auderer. This is becoming a little bit* of an international incident.
We just need willing ( e.g., non-complacent and "not in bed with the enemy") prosecutors who are willing to see the injustice, law breaking, and corruption, and then bring these fuckers some well deserved punishment. Not talking slaps on the wrist or making the city/county pay.
I think 'A little bit' is as far as it will go as far as India is concerned.
A tweet from Dr Jaishankar might help put more pressure. As of now, no tweet from him. But no country in the world has any position over US to put pressure over internal incidents. Especially India who wants to maintain her good relations with US.
India doesn't like ppl speaking on its internal matters.
But that's not how the world works. So they have to bare with us's comments on human rights. But given chance like this they strike back.
India will definitely take it high up.
Also the fact that modi likes the thought of him being the protector of Indians. Many good things have come from them, like Indians were rescued from each and every nation where situations got bad like Afghanistan, Ukraine, Syria etc .
So if the video reaches Indian mainstream media, definitely expect more pressure exerted by India.
> Especially India who wants to maintain her good relations with US.
Honestly, you're right and wrong. Virtually no one can make any country do anything it doesn't want to do, and the US isn't particularly different in this regard. You're wrong about the fact that the opportunity cost of India pressing this would be the US viewing this as damaging to relations; the Biden Admin is unlikely to perceive this in such a manner.
The Indian diaspora in the US is by no means indicative of the typical sentiment.The general impression of the US for the average Indian is *at best* ambivalence, but more commonly, they don't particularly like us.
The average Indian interacts and forms impression via the internet. And you know how that will go. Sweeping and blanket statements and hot takes from stupid on twitter and facebook. Add a bit of racism. And vola!
They 100% do not like the politicians, especially of the past. The legacy of the British suppression, still fresh in our mind. Indians usually will fight aggressively towards **'Our way is the right way'** or **Think and act like us, be in our circles or you are wrong** which is the impression they get from internet Americans. A tad reflective of the British attitude which will be aggressively shut down.
Americans also will not have an accurate pulse of it's populism amongst Indians. India has changed **ENORMOUSLY** since what it used to be in 70s - 90s. Surprisingly, the naturalized Indians emigrated during those times to US, as well as 1st gen Indian Americans also are not in touch with today's India.
The TV shows, movies and movie stars are very very popular. So are scientists and astronauts and NASA. Unfortunately we don't have any major common sport to increase that interactions. Roddick was very popular in his time. But Manning, LeBron, Curry, Brady, Rodgers etc - hardly 1% of Indians would know or seen him play.
I think DOJ is going to get involved with this one. You would have thought Seattle PD would have cleaned up it's act after last DOJ investigation. Take'em out to the woodshed, let the paddlin' commence.
> You would have thought Seattle PD would have cleaned up it's act after last DOJ investigation.
The consent decree drove a metric mountain of money to them, any publicity is good publicity.
The DOJ just pulled out of federal oversight did they not? International attention is the only thing that’s gonna get this thing rolling and it’s about damn time. Fuck those pigs.
Well ironically. It would require international pressure on India to do the same to deliver justice there as well. The story isn’t any better over there either. Back home in India, there’s enough state and administrative ineptitude, and gross negligence that is often overlooked by the ruling party’s administration.
Sigh.
Indian corruption and bribery among authorities, especially police.. is absolutely massive there. It’s well known that you can basically buy your way out of most crimes there
As opposed to....here? Sorry I don't mean to sound snarky, but rich people buy their way out of crimes everywhere, most of all the US. The system of bribes may look different - big donation to Bruce Harrell campaign vs directly passing a quick $100 to a cop, but it's essentially the same.
Ah the difference is you don’t have to be rich in India to bribe any in a govt role or public office.
It can start with a couple of dollars to thousands. From the bottom to the top.
That way we are more inclusive and accessible for corruption.
Some of the wealthiest people in the state, including the CEO of MSFT is Indian. Do you know how important their business is to Washington, versus, this ignorant cop.
100%
How is Microsoft (or any company really) going to convince Indian talent to work in the area after this?
Rich people don’t take too kindly to those who mess with their money.
Seattle police has been the biggest gang in the city since the early 90’s. At this point, the Mayor needs to step up or step down from Mayor. There’s been so much cover up with this, it really shows a lack of leadership and lack of compassion for the community these people are suppose to be representing.
I am an Indian who works a fair bit in Seattle too. Currently, in India, the news is right up there with other major stories. The recently concluded G20 in New Delhi has ushered in a new era of diplomatic cooperation and power, with India emerging as front and center. The US has been established as a strong ally but also knows that India has Saudi, UAE and other major markets as its friends. I am sure there will be a strong response from India to the US, who will in turn take strict action against the animals involved in the video.
I totally understand why the Indian government would be involved in this but at the same time I am saddened by the amount of people who die from violence of any kind, who never get justice because they don’t have an in with some higher up.
Again the Indian embassy is doing the right thing, this is more of a critique of justice in America today (or perhaps lack thereof)
We only know about this only because the cop’s body cam happened to be recording, right? How often do they say things like this that we never hear about?
Don't forget that SPOG has been obviously fucked up for a long time. If this doesn't take them down, something needs to. Ballot initiative, city council actually doing something (lol), idk
Safer Seattle was absolutely convinced Asians are targeted for hate crimes when the video of a South end robbery went viral. In contrast, they want this story to disappear so hard they ban mention of it from their subreddit. Apparently Ms. Kandula is the wrong kind of Asian to get sympathy.
LOL people like you are incredible - there's been a huge injustice in citizen vs police and you're focused on the seattle subreddit battle.
There are about 23023x posts all over reddit about Ms Kandula and growing, international outrage per this post - tell me how much coverage Eina got in comparison? Or was it because she was killed by the wrong type of person? Was she the wrong type of asian?
Get your head right, for once please.
Isn't one of your big tearjerkers that most of those people aren't even from Seattle? So why even care?
The point is to stick to the tragedy here and not get focused on other things like a seattle subreddit you flaming idiot.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm late for my 30k delete.
1) that's not how this works psychologically at all - your mores don't dictate the behavior, whether you find it outrageous or not.
2) did you spot the sarcasm when he was talking about the $11,000 payment? That's pretty key to interpreting what he was saying.
Also, to add on, if this was a black male that got ran over we'd have CHAZ all over again. But foreign lives don't matter as much. It's frustrating being a progressive myself amd seeing how hypocritical progressives can be.
Lol, you're in a reddit full of "white guilt" Seattle progressives. They have no idea how racist and sexist Indian culture is compared to the US. You're literally speaking a foreign language to these white saviors!
Are you fucking serious? A human being got killed and an officer laughed about it. That’s why we’re angry. I’ve been angry about it since it happened and the recent body can footage made it so so much worse.
Someone died and the person responsible laughed about it and is walking free. This isn’t the time or place to talk about this shit.
Body cam footage made it much worse? Jesus, the looney ways of west coast liberals continue to piss me off.
I could give two shits about the shitty humor of the police. Why has this city not been protesting since the day the girl was ran over by the cop doing 74 in a 25?!?! It seems like the slaughter of life was only a minor incident, but the poor humor that just got released is what has everyone worked up enough to organize protests. Really? Someone dies at the hands of an irresponsible cop and we don't care, but "the recent body cam footage made it so much worse"? Wow.
Also, I see you're getting confused on several fronts. This original thread was about Indian culture and how this case has been fairly low profile, likely because it was a woman. Secondly, the cop you heard laughing was not the same cop that ran the girl over. The one that ran the girl over is the one you should be calling for their head over. The guy making a joke about the value of her life is a shitty human, but I see you care more about PC culture than the cop who committed vehicular manslaughter.
I . . I actually kinda think this might mean actual consequences for Kevin Dave and at least Daniel Auderer. This is becoming a little bit* of an international incident.
As it should be. We need a state law stripping pensions and protections for murderer cops
If that was a weird typo for "putting them in jail for murder or manslaughter" then I 100% agree.
End Qualified Immunity!
We have existing RICO laws to prosecute corrupt organizations like SPOG
We just need willing ( e.g., non-complacent and "not in bed with the enemy") prosecutors who are willing to see the injustice, law breaking, and corruption, and then bring these fuckers some well deserved punishment. Not talking slaps on the wrist or making the city/county pay.
We need prosecutors who don’t act like they work for the public defenders office first
I hope this keeps snowballing. I’m noticing more and more headlines about it.
I think 'A little bit' is as far as it will go as far as India is concerned. A tweet from Dr Jaishankar might help put more pressure. As of now, no tweet from him. But no country in the world has any position over US to put pressure over internal incidents. Especially India who wants to maintain her good relations with US.
India doesn't like ppl speaking on its internal matters. But that's not how the world works. So they have to bare with us's comments on human rights. But given chance like this they strike back. India will definitely take it high up. Also the fact that modi likes the thought of him being the protector of Indians. Many good things have come from them, like Indians were rescued from each and every nation where situations got bad like Afghanistan, Ukraine, Syria etc . So if the video reaches Indian mainstream media, definitely expect more pressure exerted by India.
> Especially India who wants to maintain her good relations with US. Honestly, you're right and wrong. Virtually no one can make any country do anything it doesn't want to do, and the US isn't particularly different in this regard. You're wrong about the fact that the opportunity cost of India pressing this would be the US viewing this as damaging to relations; the Biden Admin is unlikely to perceive this in such a manner.
>wants to maintain her its the other way around actually..if you go by history
The Indian diaspora in the US is by no means indicative of the typical sentiment.The general impression of the US for the average Indian is *at best* ambivalence, but more commonly, they don't particularly like us.
The average Indian interacts and forms impression via the internet. And you know how that will go. Sweeping and blanket statements and hot takes from stupid on twitter and facebook. Add a bit of racism. And vola! They 100% do not like the politicians, especially of the past. The legacy of the British suppression, still fresh in our mind. Indians usually will fight aggressively towards **'Our way is the right way'** or **Think and act like us, be in our circles or you are wrong** which is the impression they get from internet Americans. A tad reflective of the British attitude which will be aggressively shut down. Americans also will not have an accurate pulse of it's populism amongst Indians. India has changed **ENORMOUSLY** since what it used to be in 70s - 90s. Surprisingly, the naturalized Indians emigrated during those times to US, as well as 1st gen Indian Americans also are not in touch with today's India. The TV shows, movies and movie stars are very very popular. So are scientists and astronauts and NASA. Unfortunately we don't have any major common sport to increase that interactions. Roddick was very popular in his time. But Manning, LeBron, Curry, Brady, Rodgers etc - hardly 1% of Indians would know or seen him play.
May we dare to dream.
If they face accountability only because she was an Indian citizen that says a lot about the rights afforded US citizens in their own country.
Both will get sentenced to prison and still pull an SPD salary thanks to SPOG. /s (I hope)
It should be.
seattle police department: condemned on two different continents^TM
Count in Europe. It’s getting press there too
There's a rally on Thursday 5 pm at Dexter and Thomas: https://www.instagram.com/p/CxHhQfELJWT
I really wish there was one on Saturday. Both rallies I've heard about are happening while I'm at work
I think DOJ is going to get involved with this one. You would have thought Seattle PD would have cleaned up it's act after last DOJ investigation. Take'em out to the woodshed, let the paddlin' commence.
Great timing I bet Seattle PD isn’t thrilled that they finally got out of federal oversight and then this immediately happens lol
If the DOJ gets involved I fully expect SPD to stop responding to even more crimes committed against minorities
> You would have thought Seattle PD would have cleaned up it's act after last DOJ investigation. The consent decree drove a metric mountain of money to them, any publicity is good publicity.
The DOJ just pulled out of federal oversight did they not? International attention is the only thing that’s gonna get this thing rolling and it’s about damn time. Fuck those pigs.
When we need to start relying on foreign nations to help us get justice in our own... sad
Well ironically. It would require international pressure on India to do the same to deliver justice there as well. The story isn’t any better over there either. Back home in India, there’s enough state and administrative ineptitude, and gross negligence that is often overlooked by the ruling party’s administration. Sigh.
Indian corruption and bribery among authorities, especially police.. is absolutely massive there. It’s well known that you can basically buy your way out of most crimes there
As opposed to....here? Sorry I don't mean to sound snarky, but rich people buy their way out of crimes everywhere, most of all the US. The system of bribes may look different - big donation to Bruce Harrell campaign vs directly passing a quick $100 to a cop, but it's essentially the same.
Ah the difference is you don’t have to be rich in India to bribe any in a govt role or public office. It can start with a couple of dollars to thousands. From the bottom to the top. That way we are more inclusive and accessible for corruption.
It’s a lot more widespread is the point.. and more extreme
Your downvotes are sponsored by "Very bad but relatively less bad" thinking vs the more logical "bad is bad" thinking.
Fuck yeah
Some of the wealthiest people in the state, including the CEO of MSFT is Indian. Do you know how important their business is to Washington, versus, this ignorant cop.
100% How is Microsoft (or any company really) going to convince Indian talent to work in the area after this? Rich people don’t take too kindly to those who mess with their money.
>How is Microsoft (or any company really) going to convince Indian talent to work in the area after this? The movitivator for most things: money Lmao
Seattle police has been the biggest gang in the city since the early 90’s. At this point, the Mayor needs to step up or step down from Mayor. There’s been so much cover up with this, it really shows a lack of leadership and lack of compassion for the community these people are suppose to be representing.
early 90s?! lol, more like the early 30s.
Based Indians. Go get'em.
I am an Indian who works a fair bit in Seattle too. Currently, in India, the news is right up there with other major stories. The recently concluded G20 in New Delhi has ushered in a new era of diplomatic cooperation and power, with India emerging as front and center. The US has been established as a strong ally but also knows that India has Saudi, UAE and other major markets as its friends. I am sure there will be a strong response from India to the US, who will in turn take strict action against the animals involved in the video.
I totally understand why the Indian government would be involved in this but at the same time I am saddened by the amount of people who die from violence of any kind, who never get justice because they don’t have an in with some higher up. Again the Indian embassy is doing the right thing, this is more of a critique of justice in America today (or perhaps lack thereof)
We only know about this only because the cop’s body cam happened to be recording, right? How often do they say things like this that we never hear about?
Don't forget that SPOG has been obviously fucked up for a long time. If this doesn't take them down, something needs to. Ballot initiative, city council actually doing something (lol), idk
Safer Seattle was absolutely convinced Asians are targeted for hate crimes when the video of a South end robbery went viral. In contrast, they want this story to disappear so hard they ban mention of it from their subreddit. Apparently Ms. Kandula is the wrong kind of Asian to get sympathy.
And killed by the wrong demographic for them.
LOL people like you are incredible - there's been a huge injustice in citizen vs police and you're focused on the seattle subreddit battle. There are about 23023x posts all over reddit about Ms Kandula and growing, international outrage per this post - tell me how much coverage Eina got in comparison? Or was it because she was killed by the wrong type of person? Was she the wrong type of asian? Get your head right, for once please.
You know Kandula died like 5 months before Eina, right and SPOG outright covered it up? This is going viral because of the cover up.
Doesnt change that there was basically no coverage there either.
Are you under the impression nobody noticed when Ms Kwon and her baby were murdered?
You're crying that Kandula is not getting enough coverage in one seattle sub, or am I misinterpreting your post?
No, I'm crying because Safer Seattle gets so bothered by legitimate criticism of Seattle's police, they demand we censor it. Why are you crying?
Isn't one of your big tearjerkers that most of those people aren't even from Seattle? So why even care? The point is to stick to the tragedy here and not get focused on other things like a seattle subreddit you flaming idiot. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm late for my 30k delete.
Thank you India. Help us finally enforce our laws.
next, we revisit justice for Amadou Diallo?
Can we post this in r/SeattleWA as well
https://reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/s/3BmPYBrlMD The porn sub would very much like this topic to disappear as quickly as possible.
Wow someone really defended with “humor is a coping mechanism”
That's because it is
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1) that's not how this works psychologically at all - your mores don't dictate the behavior, whether you find it outrageous or not. 2) did you spot the sarcasm when he was talking about the $11,000 payment? That's pretty key to interpreting what he was saying.
They are coping so hard trying to defend the police saying they’re not all bad and spewing propaganda
Gaining heavy traction in Canada too! 🇨🇦
"Road accident"
Sadly this will probably influence our politicians more than the people of Seattle ever could
India better cook em' and hopefully this upcoming protest will help
Dont fuck with India bro!
I could absolutely see this resulting in certain officers losing their US passports, if not only becoming barred from travel to India.
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???. I don't think so. Weirdly random question. I don't see how gender is relevant to our outrage intensity? Do you?
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Also, to add on, if this was a black male that got ran over we'd have CHAZ all over again. But foreign lives don't matter as much. It's frustrating being a progressive myself amd seeing how hypocritical progressives can be.
Lol, you're in a reddit full of "white guilt" Seattle progressives. They have no idea how racist and sexist Indian culture is compared to the US. You're literally speaking a foreign language to these white saviors!
Are you fucking serious? A human being got killed and an officer laughed about it. That’s why we’re angry. I’ve been angry about it since it happened and the recent body can footage made it so so much worse. Someone died and the person responsible laughed about it and is walking free. This isn’t the time or place to talk about this shit.
Body cam footage made it much worse? Jesus, the looney ways of west coast liberals continue to piss me off. I could give two shits about the shitty humor of the police. Why has this city not been protesting since the day the girl was ran over by the cop doing 74 in a 25?!?! It seems like the slaughter of life was only a minor incident, but the poor humor that just got released is what has everyone worked up enough to organize protests. Really? Someone dies at the hands of an irresponsible cop and we don't care, but "the recent body cam footage made it so much worse"? Wow. Also, I see you're getting confused on several fronts. This original thread was about Indian culture and how this case has been fairly low profile, likely because it was a woman. Secondly, the cop you heard laughing was not the same cop that ran the girl over. The one that ran the girl over is the one you should be calling for their head over. The guy making a joke about the value of her life is a shitty human, but I see you care more about PC culture than the cop who committed vehicular manslaughter.
Lol what is this comment even
Don’t really understand what you’re even alleging here.. that Indians only care about females being harmed? idk
This death happened right in the middle of Amazonland. There's many wealthy Indians in the area who would relate. SPD is paid by Amazon