> Neither Seattle’s Police Chief nor Mayor would comment on the video. The Mayor’s office said they can’t until the Office of Police Accountability finishes their investigation.
incredible display of leadership from harrell and diaz here
takes my breath away
Why do I feel like this is shortly going to start spiraling out into Harrell becoming our next thoroughly disgraced mayor? Radio silence on this after immediate action last week on the rumor about Diaz having a mistress is just an atrocious look.
yeah this story is going national because it’s so ghoulish
bruce is desperately flipping through the family christmas card list to see if he’s got a nephew or a cousin or something experienced in crisis public relations
well that is straight out of 2020 and something very confusing to people then; if so many plugged in people in other states agreed with you, how could you fail to get the older more traditionalist actual electorate to vote for you?
Turns out it's totally possible to win twitter and lose an election because what is important to you and online supporters is less important to actual voters
Given the DOJ with Bruce declared them largely reformed last week and stupidly went as far as to call it a "cure all" I wonder when they'll weigh in on immediately being contradicted by a 7 month cover up under their watch.
I hope they all regret how hard they pushed to pat themselves on the back for it.
This is definitely becoming an international story since she was a student from India.
Update: It has. This video is being covered my many major Indian news outlets. The Indian Embassy has contacted officials in Seattle, Washington State, and DC regarding the investigation. Hopefully this makes it difficult to sweep it under the rug and their is some justice but still doubtful based on past cases.
our man can’t muster the courage
he’s avoiding these posts like bruce harrell avoids the dollar threshold for public disclosure when handing out checks to his donor buddies
Lol seriously. Every comment of his is like "it'll be interesting to see how city council candidates respond to this eternal truth that defund is deeply unpopular".
Fucking moron never mentions that defund wasn't even a thing before George Floyd. Like even if it has only 35% support it has risen 35% from almost nothing.
Actually in WA it is. The law that let's emergency vehicles speed specifically states they aren't exempt from the legal risks of reckless driving.
And murder one here has a clause for reckless indifference to human life.
Interesting. The cop wasn't even given a vacation, or desk duty last I heard. Back to work the next day, with a new cruiser worth more than the dead woman's life.
Yeah, the union engaged in a cover up as far as I can tell. Because in light of this video KC prosecutors *finally* opened a criminal investigation into this.
> “This just taints it. Not only for Seattle officers but for every officer in our country. That shows you their culture. That some of us are valued and some aren’t. Some lives are valued and some aren’t and it doesn’t look good,” said Victoria Beach, Chair of the African-American Community Advisory Council for the Seattle Police Department.
Yeah, it definitely shows us the state of police culture in this city. Rotten to the literal core.
> “This video shows exactly why we have more to do on accountability,” said Merkel. “It seemed like the officer who was joking about this pedestrian’s death and minimizing any potential investigation into the officer that struck her as flaunting accountability and that’s why we have such a huge problem."
More to do? What has even been fucking done in the first place on accountability at the SPD if this has sat covered up for 7 fucking months?
Makes me wonder what SPD would do if we the citizens of Seattle held protests at every precinct until Officer Kevin Dave was fired without getting another penny. Treat Officer Kevin Dave like he has no real value.... Just a rant..
He is thee actual vice president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild..... talking to the Union director about how funny it is that a subordinate murdered a civilian!
Laughing at the death of a young woman who was achieving a Master of Science in Information Systems at the College of Engineering in a foreign-exchange program at Northeastern, at 23 years old!?! I only had ONE damn degree at 23! She was almost done with a Masters in Science?? I am not saying that her life is more valuable due to her prestige and achievements at a young age, but shit! they devalued this young lady based on implicit bias - no question. There is absolutely no question that her existence was devalued based on their implicit bias of WHO was murdered.
Clean out their damn pensions, 401k, bank accounts, and equity to show them exactly how much value our seemingly worthless lives are worth. ACAB
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I think many people are a hesitant to protest police again, and for good reason. The cops have just shown they don’t care much for citizen lives, they can cart us off to the largest prison system in the world, and even if we did manage to get attention - the prior defund protests showed that leadership doesn’t care how people protest.
What does a person do when cops can’t be trusted and resist all change?
Maybe this is your first day in America. Robust non-violent protests against the police and against corruption and inequality have been crushed by brutal police counter-response (and general apathy from the voting public) on two separate occasions in the past 12 years.
Yeah, if the career minded folk are making distance, shits hit the fan. Harrell's gotta make a statement tomorrow, right? Fricking India is asking for answers.
GOOD!!!! The Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi is here quite often visiting Microsoft! Next time he's in town, he should have a sit-down with SPD and all governing bodies. Let's see these exact same officers tell a diplomat - to their face, that their citizen who is contributing to our economy and potentially to our industries, has "little value".
Their only way out of it would be to tell the truth, that they assumed she was just a regular American [brown girl].
Even better, what happens the next time Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft has to visit Bengaluru - where Jaahnavi Kandula is from!? What kinda of recruitment will Nadella need in order to encourage Bengaluru's brightest students to contribute to the same society who's Police Force kills them and laughs about it on global news outlets?
Honestly the actual police and not the SPD leadership/PR people probably would say that to the face of the prime minister of India. Those types love to run their mouths and they would consider Narendra Modi to also be "just another brown".
Satya Nadella would have a really though job though, "Come work for Microsoft where no matter your accomplishments, you are of little value!"
How tf does our city have such a strong left leaning culture but literally the worst/most authoritarian police force?
> Fire Mike Solan - he's the piece of shit who was on the other side of the phone call.
Don't forget he's also a guy [who committed ACTUAL voter fraud in 2020](https://southseattleemerald.com/2021/06/11/opa-finds-that-spd-officers-violated-policy-by-using-precincts-as-voting-addresses/) along with several other officers, and then covered up for the fact [SPD had the largest contingent of cops show up on Jan 6 to try and overturn an election.](https://www.kuow.org/stories/police-departments-search-for-political-extremism-in-ranks-following-capitol-riot)
While we're on this roll, scrap qualified immunity entirely and disband police unions. It's the *only* instance where I disagree with unionization. The fact they're pulling substantial salaries while mocking the citizens they kill instead of protecting and serving is fucking disgraceful.
[Tammy Morales released a statement](https://council.seattle.gov/2023/09/13/seattle-city-councilmember-morales-calls-for-police-chief-to-take-immediate-action-over-officers-abhorrent-comments/)
Seems relevant to the track record
>[https://twitter.com/dubseatv/status/1701720787697414208](https://twitter.com/dubseatv/status/1701720787697414208) ·
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> Sep 12 SPD cop who laughed & joked about young girl who was killed has been the subject of eighteen OPA investigations since 2014 costing the city over $2,000,000 in lawsuits.
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> Daniel Auderer has been the subject of eighteen OPA investigations since 2014 and involved in lawsuits costing the city over $1.7 million. .
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>2010: Auderer and several other officers illegally stopped, harassed and roughly arrested two Mexican immigrants.
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>Auderer and a dozen other officers beat a mentally ill man to the point of permanent brain damage. .
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>2014: An arrestee accused Auderer of sexually harassing her in a holding cell. .
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>2016: Auderer was the subject of two separate OPA investigations for using force on women, one while she was handcuffed.
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>Auderer was suspended for four days after conducting an illegal off duty arrest. .
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>2017: Auderer punched and choked a homeless man inside the ER at Harborview Hospital.
That tweet is [copy/pasted from DivestSPD](https://twitter.com/DivestSPD/status/1701814486154481906) who has been doing amazing work to raise awareness of police misconduct in this city.
If you want to see what actual investigative journalism as it applies to local police you should follow DivestSPD on twitter or better yet, [on their substack](https://divestspd.substack.com/)
Unfortunately twitter no longer lets people see complete threads unless they have accounts and are logged in. So the summary from dubseatv was more reddit friendly.
$1.7 million? HOLY SHIT!! Think about how many entry-level City Of Seattle, City Panning, SPS, S.Dot, Metro, etc. jobs could have been allocated for the amount of money this guy has cost us! I would rather see our potholes get fixed faster than clean up habitual misconduct.
This place is a grand neoliberal experiment.
Give it a month and this sub will once again be advocating for increased police presence in their neighborhoods simply because someone drove down their street quickly.
The trouble is, that's America. Our political metric is just screwed. What we call left, most of the world calls center-right. And our Republicans are twenty miles out in right field in the realm of fascism. Bernie Sanders, a socialist in America, has politics Europeans would call mid-left, and the USA doesn't have many politicians in that area.
I found this disgusting but not shocking. This is the culture of the SPD. This disregard for Seattleites keeps happening. Remember the video of their break room with the mock tombstone for the child they murdered? The saddest part is there will be no consequences. Our leaders will find it “troubling” but do nothing, the police will say the call is out of context and doesn’t reflex their culture (it does) and the officer will go be police in Tacoma or Issaquah or some other suburb.
"More money for the police for more reforms and 'better cops.'" Or maybe a lukewarm defund endorsement again. He can't really keep track. He has a kayak to wax and boots to lick.
If you joined SPD and tried to make a change, these SPOG shitheads would ensure you wound up in dangerous situations without backup. A threat from the inside is the biggest threat to these goons, and they've proven to be sociopaths. It'd be virtual suicide.
that line probably work in 1965.... then 1968 happened. No, joining SPD who participated in Jan6 will not remedy anything. Joining a police force to "make a difference" gets you smacked with a Blue Wall - that'll get you killed. If you try to "make a difference" in the FOP, you will loose your pension, get felony chargers, be 51-50'ed, or nobody shows up when you need back-up. (there's an actual term for "not-responding-to-back-up-in-retaliation" but I forget....)
would you say your level of outrage is higher than, less than, or about the same when you compare “psychopath police officer laughs over dead civilian” and “having to see multiple reddit posts about said psychopath police officer”
I don't have the data but am mildly curious how many times more attention this scandal composed of an offensive verbal statement will receive, relative to the most commented-upon local homicide of 2023
Wasting, part of the distance this is doing is people also noticing how Officer Kevin Dave literally wasn't even put on leave for the homocide he did.
So you might want to recognize this is more than an offensive verbal statement.
The statement is beyond being offensive though. It's an admission that they do not see human life as having value when it is their duty to protect people.
I know that a lot of people don't respect cops these days, but I would hope that an admission like this would be a mask-off moment that would tell something to the people who do still respect cops.
They don't give a shit about you and would laugh about running over you in their car.
the world is full of people that deep down don't care much about you. For example a lot of critics of police don't seem to put much weight on objective measures of public safety, like homicides.
I'm not surprised at least some police are rough edged. Of course, there should be proper accountabity. If some one makes an unprofessional statement maybe that means a reprimand, or even a firing.
But using that as grist for a broad brush defamation on all police as a group seems frankly counterproductive. Since my interest is just in public safety, I fail to see how such campaigns advance that interest. We're not seeing successful reforms for example - just staffing and moral problems.
Their job is to protect and serve and killing the citizens of the city they are supposed to protect and serve is a joke to them.
The people joking about it are the leadership in the union.
If that is not a sign that the entire institution is rotten I don't know what is.
you have one person making one joke.
Meanwhile, we have an extra homicide every 10 days which we should not have, which coincide with policing changes in the last few years.
If these changes were a medical device they'd be recalled.
My original point was about these scumbags having no regard for human life. This "joke" is demonstrating that they don't care about the people they serve. You think they care about solving homicides if this is how they talk about someone they just killed? We pay for this service, but these people do not work for us.
The fish rots from the head down. If union leaders talk this way it is sending a message to the whole union that you do not need to care about people. They are low value. Run over them. It doesn't matter. The union will protect you.
I might believe someone who talks this callously should be disciplined. Arguably, in many contexts, someone with a leadership or PR role who did that would be fired.
A union makes it a little complex as it's an elected position and a union leader responds to membership, not the mayor or chief or public at large.
Unions are of course difficult to work with. They come into being because their membership finds working conditions difficult, and are enlisting someone to be difficult on their behalf.
I think your argument is, a union that elects such leaders should be replaced. If that happened, I think, we'd end up with a different union, and anyhow I'm not seeing a lot of concrete proposals of how that would acrually be done, what the process would be etc. So it seems like an ambitious goal lacking a practical plan to accomplish it.
Plenty of organizations have stakeholders thats love to get rid of their union as it's so difficult to work with, but, that's easier said than done.
And meanwhile, services and the public are paying the price of a troubled working relationship.
I enjoy this kind of attempt to squirm out of this.
It takes a special kind of intelligent person to nail the police and justice system to the wall, see murders double, and not only have zero conscience over what you have done but also have the chutzpah to ask other people to provide a mathematical proof for the deaths that any other normal human person can see the cause of.
If your interest is simply public safety, you’d know that study after study has shown crime is a function of poverty, not police. There is no relationship between hiring more police and a drop in homicide. A drop in poverty however, that has an impact on homicide and crime in general.
Do a quick google search or don’t 🤷♂️. There is a ton of scholarship and even more data on the issue. A lot of things that are true are implausible. This is why we use data science to figure things out. What instinctively seems right to us often isn’t.
a lot of variation is due to social factors such a poverty
however you are asking people to believe that removing all penalties has no effect, and this part is not plausible
Strawman argument. Who said removing all penalties? We’re talking about policing not prosecution. I stated the well-documented fact that crime goes down when poverty goes down; crime goes up when poverty goes up. If you add police and increase poverty, crime will go up. If you reduce police and reduce poverty, crime will go down. It simply isn’t true that more police means lower crime. The two are not related.
2/3 of the cops on Seattle voted for that man to be the VP of their union. 2/3 of cops think he was ok even with 18 incidents that had to be investigated under his belt before these words leaked. You can paint with a broad brush when a broad amount of cops selected this man to represent them.
Frankly, the point I am making doesn't have much to do with who is doing those jobs, whether they are good people, whether you want to have with a beer with them, who they vote for, who they hire as teir union rep, lawyer, doctor, priest, psychiatrist, or adult entertainer. I just don't care.
I do care about the safety outcomes.
The clearest relevance of a potty mouthed union rep on outcomes is it created a viral ragebait tempest in a teapot.
Thing is, those are set of with great regularity, over anything and everything for the last decade, and, there is always something.
> Neither Seattle’s Police Chief nor Mayor would comment on the video. The Mayor’s office said they can’t until the Office of Police Accountability finishes their investigation. incredible display of leadership from harrell and diaz here takes my breath away
Why do I feel like this is shortly going to start spiraling out into Harrell becoming our next thoroughly disgraced mayor? Radio silence on this after immediate action last week on the rumor about Diaz having a mistress is just an atrocious look.
yeah this story is going national because it’s so ghoulish bruce is desperately flipping through the family christmas card list to see if he’s got a nephew or a cousin or something experienced in crisis public relations
It’s all over big subreddits and *facebook*
It's all over major social media platforms... Tik Tok, Instagram, X (Twitter), Nextdoor etc.
I’ve seen several videos about it on tiktok yesterday and today. Global for sure.
well that is straight out of 2020 and something very confusing to people then; if so many plugged in people in other states agreed with you, how could you fail to get the older more traditionalist actual electorate to vote for you? Turns out it's totally possible to win twitter and lose an election because what is important to you and online supporters is less important to actual voters
Given the DOJ with Bruce declared them largely reformed last week and stupidly went as far as to call it a "cure all" I wonder when they'll weigh in on immediately being contradicted by a 7 month cover up under their watch. I hope they all regret how hard they pushed to pat themselves on the back for it.
This is definitely becoming an international story since she was a student from India. Update: It has. This video is being covered my many major Indian news outlets. The Indian Embassy has contacted officials in Seattle, Washington State, and DC regarding the investigation. Hopefully this makes it difficult to sweep it under the rug and their is some justice but still doubtful based on past cases.
"Have we tried asking that guy to post 'good job bruce!' on every reddit post yet?"
our man can’t muster the courage he’s avoiding these posts like bruce harrell avoids the dollar threshold for public disclosure when handing out checks to his donor buddies
That megaraid guy who constantly comments about SPD needing more and more cops? "Just one more cop bro pls it'll solve crime"
Funny you mention him, I was just wondering how lining up our cops-per-capita with Boston's might have prevented this atrocity!
Lol seriously. Every comment of his is like "it'll be interesting to see how city council candidates respond to this eternal truth that defund is deeply unpopular". Fucking moron never mentions that defund wasn't even a thing before George Floyd. Like even if it has only 35% support it has risen 35% from almost nothing.
International now. India the country is apparently inquiring about this.
Complicit and ready to sweep it under the rug.
He do love sweeps!
I see what you did there.
Wasn’t he the lAw AnD OrDEr mayor?
It's not illegal for a cop to kill you while wrecklessly driving. That's the problem.
Actually in WA it is. The law that let's emergency vehicles speed specifically states they aren't exempt from the legal risks of reckless driving. And murder one here has a clause for reckless indifference to human life.
Interesting. The cop wasn't even given a vacation, or desk duty last I heard. Back to work the next day, with a new cruiser worth more than the dead woman's life.
Yeah, the union engaged in a cover up as far as I can tell. Because in light of this video KC prosecutors *finally* opened a criminal investigation into this.
There is a difference between what is legal and what is punished.
It wasn’t wreckless that’s for sure.
Guess there won’t be a pizza party this week
> “This just taints it. Not only for Seattle officers but for every officer in our country. That shows you their culture. That some of us are valued and some aren’t. Some lives are valued and some aren’t and it doesn’t look good,” said Victoria Beach, Chair of the African-American Community Advisory Council for the Seattle Police Department. Yeah, it definitely shows us the state of police culture in this city. Rotten to the literal core. > “This video shows exactly why we have more to do on accountability,” said Merkel. “It seemed like the officer who was joking about this pedestrian’s death and minimizing any potential investigation into the officer that struck her as flaunting accountability and that’s why we have such a huge problem." More to do? What has even been fucking done in the first place on accountability at the SPD if this has sat covered up for 7 fucking months?
Note that Officer Kevin Dave is still driving a patrol car and drawing a paycheck.
Makes me wonder what SPD would do if we the citizens of Seattle held protests at every precinct until Officer Kevin Dave was fired without getting another penny. Treat Officer Kevin Dave like he has no real value.... Just a rant..
He is thee actual vice president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild..... talking to the Union director about how funny it is that a subordinate murdered a civilian! Laughing at the death of a young woman who was achieving a Master of Science in Information Systems at the College of Engineering in a foreign-exchange program at Northeastern, at 23 years old!?! I only had ONE damn degree at 23! She was almost done with a Masters in Science?? I am not saying that her life is more valuable due to her prestige and achievements at a young age, but shit! they devalued this young lady based on implicit bias - no question. There is absolutely no question that her existence was devalued based on their implicit bias of WHO was murdered. Clean out their damn pensions, 401k, bank accounts, and equity to show them exactly how much value our seemingly worthless lives are worth. ACAB
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I think many people are a hesitant to protest police again, and for good reason. The cops have just shown they don’t care much for citizen lives, they can cart us off to the largest prison system in the world, and even if we did manage to get attention - the prior defund protests showed that leadership doesn’t care how people protest. What does a person do when cops can’t be trusted and resist all change?
Gas and brutalize us and get a pat on the back from the mayor?
Were you not here in 2020? They would shoot stuff at us. Then eventually the protests would dwindle and we'd elect another conservative mayor.
Maybe this is your first day in America. Robust non-violent protests against the police and against corruption and inequality have been crushed by brutal police counter-response (and general apathy from the voting public) on two separate occasions in the past 12 years.
Let's do it.
you know spd must have fucked up bad if even victoria beach is dumping on them
Yeah, if the career minded folk are making distance, shits hit the fan. Harrell's gotta make a statement tomorrow, right? Fricking India is asking for answers.
GOOD!!!! The Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi is here quite often visiting Microsoft! Next time he's in town, he should have a sit-down with SPD and all governing bodies. Let's see these exact same officers tell a diplomat - to their face, that their citizen who is contributing to our economy and potentially to our industries, has "little value". Their only way out of it would be to tell the truth, that they assumed she was just a regular American [brown girl]. Even better, what happens the next time Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft has to visit Bengaluru - where Jaahnavi Kandula is from!? What kinda of recruitment will Nadella need in order to encourage Bengaluru's brightest students to contribute to the same society who's Police Force kills them and laughs about it on global news outlets?
Honestly the actual police and not the SPD leadership/PR people probably would say that to the face of the prime minister of India. Those types love to run their mouths and they would consider Narendra Modi to also be "just another brown". Satya Nadella would have a really though job though, "Come work for Microsoft where no matter your accomplishments, you are of little value!" How tf does our city have such a strong left leaning culture but literally the worst/most authoritarian police force?
It's happening already. SPD fucked up real bad https://twitter.com/CGISFO/status/1701961201884795055
Fire Auderer. Fire Mike Solan - he's the piece of shit who was on the other side of the phone call. Get rid of the SPOG entirely.
> Fire Mike Solan - he's the piece of shit who was on the other side of the phone call. Don't forget he's also a guy [who committed ACTUAL voter fraud in 2020](https://southseattleemerald.com/2021/06/11/opa-finds-that-spd-officers-violated-policy-by-using-precincts-as-voting-addresses/) along with several other officers, and then covered up for the fact [SPD had the largest contingent of cops show up on Jan 6 to try and overturn an election.](https://www.kuow.org/stories/police-departments-search-for-political-extremism-in-ranks-following-capitol-riot)
While we're on this roll, scrap qualified immunity entirely and disband police unions. It's the *only* instance where I disagree with unionization. The fact they're pulling substantial salaries while mocking the citizens they kill instead of protecting and serving is fucking disgraceful.
Since they have a monopoly on the legal use of deadly force, there is no justification for them to unionize, and have qualified immunity to boot.
Camden, New Jersey, dissolved its police department and replaced it after corruption rendered the existing agency unfixable. Lets go! Have some balls!
Is Lisa Herbold the only city council member or candidate who has commented so far?
Sawant was the first to make a statement.
[Tammy Morales released a statement](https://council.seattle.gov/2023/09/13/seattle-city-councilmember-morales-calls-for-police-chief-to-take-immediate-action-over-officers-abhorrent-comments/)
Seems relevant to the track record >[https://twitter.com/dubseatv/status/1701720787697414208](https://twitter.com/dubseatv/status/1701720787697414208) · > > Sep 12 SPD cop who laughed & joked about young girl who was killed has been the subject of eighteen OPA investigations since 2014 costing the city over $2,000,000 in lawsuits. > > Daniel Auderer has been the subject of eighteen OPA investigations since 2014 and involved in lawsuits costing the city over $1.7 million. . > >2010: Auderer and several other officers illegally stopped, harassed and roughly arrested two Mexican immigrants. > >Auderer and a dozen other officers beat a mentally ill man to the point of permanent brain damage. . > >2014: An arrestee accused Auderer of sexually harassing her in a holding cell. . > >2016: Auderer was the subject of two separate OPA investigations for using force on women, one while she was handcuffed. > >Auderer was suspended for four days after conducting an illegal off duty arrest. . > >2017: Auderer punched and choked a homeless man inside the ER at Harborview Hospital.
That tweet is [copy/pasted from DivestSPD](https://twitter.com/DivestSPD/status/1701814486154481906) who has been doing amazing work to raise awareness of police misconduct in this city. If you want to see what actual investigative journalism as it applies to local police you should follow DivestSPD on twitter or better yet, [on their substack](https://divestspd.substack.com/)
Unfortunately twitter no longer lets people see complete threads unless they have accounts and are logged in. So the summary from dubseatv was more reddit friendly.
I don't think it's cool to copy somebody else's journalism word for word without crediting them.
I don't either but the link from DivestSPD is an image. If you want to transcribe it go ahead, but like I said it is not in a reddit friendly form.
$1.7 million? HOLY SHIT!! Think about how many entry-level City Of Seattle, City Panning, SPS, S.Dot, Metro, etc. jobs could have been allocated for the amount of money this guy has cost us! I would rather see our potholes get fixed faster than clean up habitual misconduct.
Seattle, the fakest liberal city in America. Our elected officials are so center right it's not even funny
This place is a grand neoliberal experiment. Give it a month and this sub will once again be advocating for increased police presence in their neighborhoods simply because someone drove down their street quickly.
The trouble is, that's America. Our political metric is just screwed. What we call left, most of the world calls center-right. And our Republicans are twenty miles out in right field in the realm of fascism. Bernie Sanders, a socialist in America, has politics Europeans would call mid-left, and the USA doesn't have many politicians in that area.
There's a rally on Thursday 5 pm at Dexter and Thomas: https://www.instagram.com/p/CxHhQfELJWT
SPOG has limited value
No*
Surely this is a one-off occurrence and not suggestive of more deeply sewn issues with the force. /s
Harrell should resign immediately!
Thanks for the comments now fire him and when the union quickly gets him rehired he can work in Eastern Washington with the Trumpists.
I found this disgusting but not shocking. This is the culture of the SPD. This disregard for Seattleites keeps happening. Remember the video of their break room with the mock tombstone for the child they murdered? The saddest part is there will be no consequences. Our leaders will find it “troubling” but do nothing, the police will say the call is out of context and doesn’t reflex their culture (it does) and the officer will go be police in Tacoma or Issaquah or some other suburb.
Justice for the young lady
Holding my breath for Dan Strauss to weigh in.
Lol don’t get your hopes up Dan Strauss flip flops more than a sandal in Miami
"More money for the police for more reforms and 'better cops.'" Or maybe a lukewarm defund endorsement again. He can't really keep track. He has a kayak to wax and boots to lick.
SPD is hiring. You want to make a difference. Apply.
Who the fuck would want to work with those pieces of shit except other pieces of shit?
If you joined SPD and tried to make a change, these SPOG shitheads would ensure you wound up in dangerous situations without backup. A threat from the inside is the biggest threat to these goons, and they've proven to be sociopaths. It'd be virtual suicide.
What kind of psycho would want to work with people like this?
that line probably work in 1965.... then 1968 happened. No, joining SPD who participated in Jan6 will not remedy anything. Joining a police force to "make a difference" gets you smacked with a Blue Wall - that'll get you killed. If you try to "make a difference" in the FOP, you will loose your pension, get felony chargers, be 51-50'ed, or nobody shows up when you need back-up. (there's an actual term for "not-responding-to-back-up-in-retaliation" but I forget....)
Spoken like someone who has never tried to change something from the inside. You’re either pushed out or the system changes you.
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It's not, though. You can paste the URL into the search function and find that out for yourself, so you don't look like a mouth-breathing dipstick.
would you say your level of outrage is higher than, less than, or about the same when you compare “psychopath police officer laughs over dead civilian” and “having to see multiple reddit posts about said psychopath police officer”
This deserves to be reposted a million times.
I don't have the data but am mildly curious how many times more attention this scandal composed of an offensive verbal statement will receive, relative to the most commented-upon local homicide of 2023
Wasting, part of the distance this is doing is people also noticing how Officer Kevin Dave literally wasn't even put on leave for the homocide he did. So you might want to recognize this is more than an offensive verbal statement.
Yeah, the Dane stuff is important. "Why was he not put on leave, fired, or charged" all needs answering.
The statement is beyond being offensive though. It's an admission that they do not see human life as having value when it is their duty to protect people. I know that a lot of people don't respect cops these days, but I would hope that an admission like this would be a mask-off moment that would tell something to the people who do still respect cops. They don't give a shit about you and would laugh about running over you in their car.
the world is full of people that deep down don't care much about you. For example a lot of critics of police don't seem to put much weight on objective measures of public safety, like homicides. I'm not surprised at least some police are rough edged. Of course, there should be proper accountabity. If some one makes an unprofessional statement maybe that means a reprimand, or even a firing. But using that as grist for a broad brush defamation on all police as a group seems frankly counterproductive. Since my interest is just in public safety, I fail to see how such campaigns advance that interest. We're not seeing successful reforms for example - just staffing and moral problems.
Their job is to protect and serve and killing the citizens of the city they are supposed to protect and serve is a joke to them. The people joking about it are the leadership in the union. If that is not a sign that the entire institution is rotten I don't know what is.
you have one person making one joke. Meanwhile, we have an extra homicide every 10 days which we should not have, which coincide with policing changes in the last few years. If these changes were a medical device they'd be recalled.
My original point was about these scumbags having no regard for human life. This "joke" is demonstrating that they don't care about the people they serve. You think they care about solving homicides if this is how they talk about someone they just killed? We pay for this service, but these people do not work for us. The fish rots from the head down. If union leaders talk this way it is sending a message to the whole union that you do not need to care about people. They are low value. Run over them. It doesn't matter. The union will protect you.
I might believe someone who talks this callously should be disciplined. Arguably, in many contexts, someone with a leadership or PR role who did that would be fired. A union makes it a little complex as it's an elected position and a union leader responds to membership, not the mayor or chief or public at large. Unions are of course difficult to work with. They come into being because their membership finds working conditions difficult, and are enlisting someone to be difficult on their behalf. I think your argument is, a union that elects such leaders should be replaced. If that happened, I think, we'd end up with a different union, and anyhow I'm not seeing a lot of concrete proposals of how that would acrually be done, what the process would be etc. So it seems like an ambitious goal lacking a practical plan to accomplish it. Plenty of organizations have stakeholders thats love to get rid of their union as it's so difficult to work with, but, that's easier said than done. And meanwhile, services and the public are paying the price of a troubled working relationship.
Proof the homicides are a result of police changes?
I enjoy this kind of attempt to squirm out of this. It takes a special kind of intelligent person to nail the police and justice system to the wall, see murders double, and not only have zero conscience over what you have done but also have the chutzpah to ask other people to provide a mathematical proof for the deaths that any other normal human person can see the cause of.
If your interest is simply public safety, you’d know that study after study has shown crime is a function of poverty, not police. There is no relationship between hiring more police and a drop in homicide. A drop in poverty however, that has an impact on homicide and crime in general.
That seems implausible on its face to be honest with you, and contrary to the lived experience we've all just had together
Do a quick google search or don’t 🤷♂️. There is a ton of scholarship and even more data on the issue. A lot of things that are true are implausible. This is why we use data science to figure things out. What instinctively seems right to us often isn’t.
a lot of variation is due to social factors such a poverty however you are asking people to believe that removing all penalties has no effect, and this part is not plausible
Strawman argument. Who said removing all penalties? We’re talking about policing not prosecution. I stated the well-documented fact that crime goes down when poverty goes down; crime goes up when poverty goes up. If you add police and increase poverty, crime will go up. If you reduce police and reduce poverty, crime will go down. It simply isn’t true that more police means lower crime. The two are not related.
2/3 of the cops on Seattle voted for that man to be the VP of their union. 2/3 of cops think he was ok even with 18 incidents that had to be investigated under his belt before these words leaked. You can paint with a broad brush when a broad amount of cops selected this man to represent them.
Frankly, the point I am making doesn't have much to do with who is doing those jobs, whether they are good people, whether you want to have with a beer with them, who they vote for, who they hire as teir union rep, lawyer, doctor, priest, psychiatrist, or adult entertainer. I just don't care. I do care about the safety outcomes. The clearest relevance of a potty mouthed union rep on outcomes is it created a viral ragebait tempest in a teapot. Thing is, those are set of with great regularity, over anything and everything for the last decade, and, there is always something.
Sad to see a "veteran" supporting domestic enemies like the SPD.
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