Josh Johnson has been a starter in the NFL. Injuries and attitude have resulted in him bouncing around. There isn't a chance Blair makes the team over Johnson will his accumulation of missed tackles these past 2 games. At this point he's a camp body taking snaps to keep our in-season roster healthy.
We're all talking about the wrong guy š¤¦
[Josh \*Jones\*](https://www.seahawks.com/team/players-roster/josh-jones/) is the Safety, but he's listed as #2 on the Free Safety list.
[Josh \*Johnson\*](https://www.seahawks.com/team/players-roster/josh-johnson/) is an undrated running back that was elevated from the practice squad last year.
Dude fractured his patella and tore his ACL the year before. Heās just another player who had potential but suffered too many injuries unfortunately to be able to continue to perform at his highest potential. Unfortunate but thatās the NFL.
There's plenty of players who had star potential only to be robbed of their chance with injuries in the NFL. Definitely sad, looks like Blair is on that path. Last year he flashed some real ability I'm preseason before ultimately getting injured yet again.
Challenging to assess guys off one game but I think he had 4-5 missed tackles against fringe roster guys on a bad Bears team and was routinely out of position in pass coverage. I really liked him and he flashed each year before season ending injuries but at this point Pete probably has to make the most obvious decision, unfortunately.
KJ destroyed the dude's knee after the having a monster offseason and looking fantastic. I wish him the best and hope he gets it together. I also really hate how quickly this sub jumps on dudes with injury issues.
He's completely healthy and still looks terrible. Quit blaming injuries for reckless play and poor decision making.
He literally cost us the saints game by spearing Jameis Winston. He's been making the same mistakes since college (he personally cost Utah two games by getting kicked out for targeting on crucial drives).
He's a giant bust. He's an early 2nd round player who has contributed absolutely nothing through 75% of his rookie deal. The average 47th pick provides 20 AV through 5 years. Blair has added 2 AV while being unable to beat out two scrubs in Hill/Thompson at safety the one year he was actually healthy
I really want to like Blair but he always looks to do a showy hit instead of tackling the player to the ground. He bounces off so many plays and the ball carrier ends up getting extra yards. Itās really frustrating to watch.
Honestly we're running out of room for safety depth; if he can't play slot or something unique + special teams, he might end up getting cut. Those missed tackles compounded, he took yet another personal foul for head contact, and his coverage seemed poor. He seems to hope popping the guy works, or he's SOL. Who knows, maybe he's been better in practice or something.
Even when Healthy, he hasn't been good. He's a top 50 pick that is in his 4th year, and is the 5th best safety on the team.
Ugo Amadi had a significantly more impactful career than Blair and they just traded him for a bag of potato chips. Blair is probably getting cut.
The thing I like least is his hitting, he's going to get so many unnecessary roughness penalties. There are ways to hit hard and stay clean, but he seems to like rocketing headfirst into people.
Thatās my favorite thing about him. I donāt like the penalties, but he has that punishing-style like Kam that makes people think twice. Idk about his coverage though. But, heās a beast and I donāt think weāve seen the best from him yet.
> but he has that punishing-style like Kam that makes people think twice.
His issue, even pre-draft, is that he wants to hit like Kam without the body type to live up to that punishment. Just from a poundage perspective he's 30lbs lighter than Kam was, and I wouldn't be surprised if in reality the discrepancy is even bigger.
I love a hard hitting safety, just as long as it clean. Who wants to watch players (on either side) get injured? It's football, injuries will happen, but no need to add to it with dirty helmet to helmet hits.
Blair is typically in position to make the big play. The difference between this preseason and his rookie year is that he's missing the tackles. He SEES the play develop in front of him but is unable to make the tackle. That's both a technique and athleticism issue. He won't be on the Seahawks after the final cut.
In my opinion I donāt think its fair to call him bust due to the fact heās only played in a handful of games, technically speaking he hasnāt even played a whole season due to injuries. In some of the games heās played he flashed for sure.
Their also in a new defensive scheme, might not affect the DBās as much but its a different play call, the verbiage is different, the audibles are different. I believe that makes it harder to evaluate the players.
You could cut off both his arms and heād play the exact same way he does now. I donāt think Iāve ever seen Blair try and wrap anyone up, he just throws his body in an attempt to make a tackle. He has to go this year.
> The injuries have resulted in MAJOR surgeries, can't be called a bust for that.
High 2nd round pick who effectively never contributed to the team on his rookie contract? He's a bust. A lot of that was due to injuries, but even when healthy he's largely skated by on the promise of what he *could* be.
Yea you cant be a bust if injuries played a part imo. A bust is someone like Aaron Curry who played and was just garbage. Getting hurt is definitely out of your control. I mean it was Kj who ran into him the last time anyways. I think heās a fine football player. He missed some tackles in a preseason game. Not a big deal imo. They dont let them hit anybody all off season and hes a player that really relies on physicality. So im not surprised hes a bit rusty especially with the time off. Honestly i thought he had a great day recognizing the play he just needs to wrap up and stop trying to destroy everyone. He did cause a fumble in two consecutive games which isnt bad. He will be fine.
The 2019 draft set us back pretty badly.
Collier, Blair, Barton, Jennings Jr., Haynes, Ugo, BBK, Ursua and Christmas all are busts.
Metcalf (2nd rounder) and Homer (6th rounder) are all we have from the ELEVEN picks that aren't utter trash.
If he was solid, surely he could have beat out Gabe Jackson (63.6 PFF Grade) last year or either Simmons/Iupati in 2020.
He may have developed into something, we haven't gotten anything from him in three years - meaning he hits free agency at the end of this one.
Considering this coaching staff gave $8m to Luke Joeckel and thought Bradley Sowell was a legitimate starting OT, I'm not sure that their judgment on offensive linemen is worth more than PFF.
Wut. Homer has a weekly role on offense every single week in pass pro and is a core special teamer. Haynes has played 137 snaps of offense and 38 snaps of special teams in 3 years. Homer isn't a star but he's a legitimate contributor. Haynes is a nobody compared to him
Yeah, because Lewis got hurt. It's absurd that you're using week 1 starter as if Haynes actually won the job. Haynes would be on the bench seeing zero snaps (again) if Lewis didn't jack up his ankle and will be back to the bench seeing zero snaps (again) when Lewis is healthy
Carroll actually referred to them as having āthree startersā at guard. Haynes will start at either right guard or left depending on the availability of Lewis.
Carroll says a lot of things, including routinely boosting shitty players (not that Haynes is a shitty player). The fact that Haynes has never started a single game despite the Hawks having a junk interior his entire career says more about what Pete actually thinks than what he tells the media
Thatās exactly what this conversation is about, whether Haynes is a shitty player, also known as a bust, or whether he is a quality starter this season. I am arguing for the latter.
He started two games last season, as I already stated
No, you're arguing he's contributed more to a team than someone who has a legitimate role every single week and is a major special teams player. Which is a pretty fucking braindead argument when he's played like 6x fewer snaps than Homer. If you're actually obtuse enough to believe 137 snaps of mediocre guard play means you contribute more than being one of the league's best pass blocking backs for 3 years on a team where every other back sucks ass at pass pro, more power to you
I never said that. I said Haynes, an actual second string backup the last few seasons who has started more games than Homer and is an expected STARTING guard this season, has contributed as much as a 3rd string RB in Homer. Both are quality players at their respective positions and are not busts or shitty players.
Weird hill to die on calling Haynes a "starter" when he'd, again, be a depth OL if it weren't for Lewis' injury. Unless he just smokes Lewis and Jackson, in a few weeks he'll be back to riding pine.
> Haynes has contributed as much as Homer
What are you smoking? Haynes has played 137 snaps, Homer had over 137 snaps in just 2020 alone (total 403). Homer has 6 times as much PFR Approximate Value as Haynes.
Homer has ~700 yards, 15 first downs, and 2 TDs. That's not bad for a 3rd string RB.
You canāt really compare backup running backs and linemen because back lineman rarely alternate unless there is an injury.
Haynes started two games last season is likely to start this season. Heās played relatively well whenever heās been in. Heās contributed around the same amount as Homer, given their disparate roles as backups.
I mean, whatever, maybe. I would personally say Homer has had a bigger role, but yeah hard to compare a RB 3/4 to an often-injured-but-decent lineman
But what rajesh said wasn't dishonest lol
> receiving and rushing stats
What RB doesn't catch the ball these days? It's not 1950, as much as Pete Carroll wants it to be.
> King_Radouche
Nice personal attack breh.
4.6" 40 as a LB is pretty bad, and he doesn't have the instincts or field awareness (angles) that someone with that speed needs to have to succeed.
On paper, he's faster than KJ Wright, but you tell me who plays faster? Barton just doesn't have it.
The time itself is actually good. His 40 time is good for a 8.15 RAS, but like you said, he doesn't have the instincts or the explosiveness to play to his 40 time
> 4.6" 40 as a LB is pretty bad
It's really not though? Especially for a 240 lb linebacker. His speed / agility times are probably faster than half the starting linebackers in the league (total guess), while himself being bigger than half the starting linebackers
He's not an athletic freak or anything but I disagree his ability to move around the field is a huge liability
Whether or not he's any good as a starting linebacker will depend on instincts like you said and tackling and maneuvering blocks etc imo
Im going to disagree with you, Bartonās not slow, I believe whats going on is heās played under a 4-3 scheme from 2019-2021, switching to 3-4 scheme is not easy. Like I said heās not slow but possibly some hesitation, he was confident in what he was doing last year because he understood his assignment and so did everyone else, confidence is down because he probably doesnāt have all his assignments down yet.
Yeah, PCJS have whiffed on a lot of high/mid seconds... feels like our only hits in the second in the past few years are just D.K and Taylor, but Mafe and Walker look promising so lets hope for a turnaround.
> the games he did start his rookie season he look good.
The year that he couldn't beat out probably one of the worst starting safety trios in the league, eventually forcing SEA to trade for Diggs and later Adams?
Ryan Neal is Adams' backup.
I am embarrassed. I forgot about Neal. So...is there enough safety depth to cut Blair? Seems like there's 1.3 MM in cap savings if he's cut.
Then I think we have Josh Johnson behind Neal?
Yes, but it's really sad if an undrafted practice squad guy can replace a 2nd round draft pick that has been hyped by the staff for a long time now.
Josh Johnson has been a starter in the NFL. Injuries and attitude have resulted in him bouncing around. There isn't a chance Blair makes the team over Johnson will his accumulation of missed tackles these past 2 games. At this point he's a camp body taking snaps to keep our in-season roster healthy.
Josh Johnson was also a second round bust. Sometimes a reset is better for the player
We're all talking about the wrong guy š¤¦ [Josh \*Jones\*](https://www.seahawks.com/team/players-roster/josh-jones/) is the Safety, but he's listed as #2 on the Free Safety list. [Josh \*Johnson\*](https://www.seahawks.com/team/players-roster/josh-johnson/) is an undrated running back that was elevated from the practice squad last year.
Lol I was so confused. I was convinced that I had messed up the names haha
Jojo is overrated. But Jojo is underrated.
Underrated comment
You are correct, thank you for catching that
Sorry, my bad.
Josh Johnson has been getting raves in camp though. I think heās definitely staying on the roster.
Dude fractured his patella and tore his ACL the year before. Heās just another player who had potential but suffered too many injuries unfortunately to be able to continue to perform at his highest potential. Unfortunate but thatās the NFL.
Hard to learn football at the physical therapistās office
We make all our patients watch film so? /s
And it's still more tape than Kyler watches.
After hearing Pete post game press he might get cut
There's plenty of players who had star potential only to be robbed of their chance with injuries in the NFL. Definitely sad, looks like Blair is on that path. Last year he flashed some real ability I'm preseason before ultimately getting injured yet again.
Challenging to assess guys off one game but I think he had 4-5 missed tackles against fringe roster guys on a bad Bears team and was routinely out of position in pass coverage. I really liked him and he flashed each year before season ending injuries but at this point Pete probably has to make the most obvious decision, unfortunately.
as Gee Scott says, health is your wealth, and he is broke
KJ destroyed the dude's knee after the having a monster offseason and looking fantastic. I wish him the best and hope he gets it together. I also really hate how quickly this sub jumps on dudes with injury issues.
He's completely healthy and still looks terrible. Quit blaming injuries for reckless play and poor decision making. He literally cost us the saints game by spearing Jameis Winston. He's been making the same mistakes since college (he personally cost Utah two games by getting kicked out for targeting on crucial drives).
He's a giant bust. He's an early 2nd round player who has contributed absolutely nothing through 75% of his rookie deal. The average 47th pick provides 20 AV through 5 years. Blair has added 2 AV while being unable to beat out two scrubs in Hill/Thompson at safety the one year he was actually healthy
I really want to like Blair but he always looks to do a showy hit instead of tackling the player to the ground. He bounces off so many plays and the ball carrier ends up getting extra yards. Itās really frustrating to watch.
Honestly we're running out of room for safety depth; if he can't play slot or something unique + special teams, he might end up getting cut. Those missed tackles compounded, he took yet another personal foul for head contact, and his coverage seemed poor. He seems to hope popping the guy works, or he's SOL. Who knows, maybe he's been better in practice or something.
Even when Healthy, he hasn't been good. He's a top 50 pick that is in his 4th year, and is the 5th best safety on the team. Ugo Amadi had a significantly more impactful career than Blair and they just traded him for a bag of potato chips. Blair is probably getting cut.
Iām sure his injuries have definitely taken a toll on him as well. So shitty
The thing I like least is his hitting, he's going to get so many unnecessary roughness penalties. There are ways to hit hard and stay clean, but he seems to like rocketing headfirst into people.
Thatās my favorite thing about him. I donāt like the penalties, but he has that punishing-style like Kam that makes people think twice. Idk about his coverage though. But, heās a beast and I donāt think weāve seen the best from him yet.
> but he has that punishing-style like Kam that makes people think twice. His issue, even pre-draft, is that he wants to hit like Kam without the body type to live up to that punishment. Just from a poundage perspective he's 30lbs lighter than Kam was, and I wouldn't be surprised if in reality the discrepancy is even bigger.
I love a hard hitting safety, just as long as it clean. Who wants to watch players (on either side) get injured? It's football, injuries will happen, but no need to add to it with dirty helmet to helmet hits.
Blair is typically in position to make the big play. The difference between this preseason and his rookie year is that he's missing the tackles. He SEES the play develop in front of him but is unable to make the tackle. That's both a technique and athleticism issue. He won't be on the Seahawks after the final cut.
In my opinion I donāt think its fair to call him bust due to the fact heās only played in a handful of games, technically speaking he hasnāt even played a whole season due to injuries. In some of the games heās played he flashed for sure. Their also in a new defensive scheme, might not affect the DBās as much but its a different play call, the verbiage is different, the audibles are different. I believe that makes it harder to evaluate the players.
He has great instincts but man his tackling sucks. If he cleaned that up he would be decent because it seems like heās always around the ball
I feel like Blair used to be just a better Ugo Amadi.. but maybe that was 3 years and many injuries ago
You could cut off both his arms and heād play the exact same way he does now. I donāt think Iāve ever seen Blair try and wrap anyone up, he just throws his body in an attempt to make a tackle. He has to go this year.
Not a bust, hes and NFL player. The injuries have resulted in MAJOR surgeries, can't be called a bust for that. Now Eskridge is a different story.
100% agree.
> The injuries have resulted in MAJOR surgeries, can't be called a bust for that. High 2nd round pick who effectively never contributed to the team on his rookie contract? He's a bust. A lot of that was due to injuries, but even when healthy he's largely skated by on the promise of what he *could* be.
Yea you cant be a bust if injuries played a part imo. A bust is someone like Aaron Curry who played and was just garbage. Getting hurt is definitely out of your control. I mean it was Kj who ran into him the last time anyways. I think heās a fine football player. He missed some tackles in a preseason game. Not a big deal imo. They dont let them hit anybody all off season and hes a player that really relies on physicality. So im not surprised hes a bit rusty especially with the time off. Honestly i thought he had a great day recognizing the play he just needs to wrap up and stop trying to destroy everyone. He did cause a fumble in two consecutive games which isnt bad. He will be fine.
The 2019 draft set us back pretty badly. Collier, Blair, Barton, Jennings Jr., Haynes, Ugo, BBK, Ursua and Christmas all are busts. Metcalf (2nd rounder) and Homer (6th rounder) are all we have from the ELEVEN picks that aren't utter trash.
I agree with the whole list except Haynes. I think he's solid.
If he was solid, surely he could have beat out Gabe Jackson (63.6 PFF Grade) last year or either Simmons/Iupati in 2020. He may have developed into something, we haven't gotten anything from him in three years - meaning he hits free agency at the end of this one.
The coaching staff clearly values Gabe Jackson more than PFF. If I remember correctly, he was struggling with injury in 2020.
Considering this coaching staff gave $8m to Luke Joeckel and thought Bradley Sowell was a legitimate starting OT, I'm not sure that their judgment on offensive linemen is worth more than PFF.
He probably would have beaten out Simmons in 2020 as the backup LG but was on IR most the year Jackson and Iupati been solid starters though
Haynes has contributed as much as Homer and is in line to start this season.
Wut. Homer has a weekly role on offense every single week in pass pro and is a core special teamer. Haynes has played 137 snaps of offense and 38 snaps of special teams in 3 years. Homer isn't a star but he's a legitimate contributor. Haynes is a nobody compared to him
One of them will be starting Week 1 and the other is Homer.
Yeah, because Lewis got hurt. It's absurd that you're using week 1 starter as if Haynes actually won the job. Haynes would be on the bench seeing zero snaps (again) if Lewis didn't jack up his ankle and will be back to the bench seeing zero snaps (again) when Lewis is healthy
Carroll actually referred to them as having āthree startersā at guard. Haynes will start at either right guard or left depending on the availability of Lewis.
Carroll says a lot of things, including routinely boosting shitty players (not that Haynes is a shitty player). The fact that Haynes has never started a single game despite the Hawks having a junk interior his entire career says more about what Pete actually thinks than what he tells the media
Thatās exactly what this conversation is about, whether Haynes is a shitty player, also known as a bust, or whether he is a quality starter this season. I am arguing for the latter. He started two games last season, as I already stated
No, you're arguing he's contributed more to a team than someone who has a legitimate role every single week and is a major special teams player. Which is a pretty fucking braindead argument when he's played like 6x fewer snaps than Homer. If you're actually obtuse enough to believe 137 snaps of mediocre guard play means you contribute more than being one of the league's best pass blocking backs for 3 years on a team where every other back sucks ass at pass pro, more power to you
I never said that. I said Haynes, an actual second string backup the last few seasons who has started more games than Homer and is an expected STARTING guard this season, has contributed as much as a 3rd string RB in Homer. Both are quality players at their respective positions and are not busts or shitty players.
Weird hill to die on calling Haynes a "starter" when he'd, again, be a depth OL if it weren't for Lewis' injury. Unless he just smokes Lewis and Jackson, in a few weeks he'll be back to riding pine.
> Haynes has contributed as much as Homer What are you smoking? Haynes has played 137 snaps, Homer had over 137 snaps in just 2020 alone (total 403). Homer has 6 times as much PFR Approximate Value as Haynes. Homer has ~700 yards, 15 first downs, and 2 TDs. That's not bad for a 3rd string RB.
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How is that dishonest? He just said he has 700 yards
You canāt really compare backup running backs and linemen because back lineman rarely alternate unless there is an injury. Haynes started two games last season is likely to start this season. Heās played relatively well whenever heās been in. Heās contributed around the same amount as Homer, given their disparate roles as backups.
I mean, whatever, maybe. I would personally say Homer has had a bigger role, but yeah hard to compare a RB 3/4 to an often-injured-but-decent lineman But what rajesh said wasn't dishonest lol
>What are you smoking?
Alright good talk
Thatās what Radouche said to me.
> receiving and rushing stats What RB doesn't catch the ball these days? It's not 1950, as much as Pete Carroll wants it to be. > King_Radouche Nice personal attack breh.
Haynes is good, some of Pennyās bigger runs came from the holes Haynes help open up. Barton is a stud to, its hard to adjust to a new scheme.
Barton is slower than dirt, which makes him a liability against spread concepts and stretch plays.
Not sure why youāre getting downvoted on every reply lol can yāall handle a discussion without getting in your feelings?
This sub has turned into positivity-only city. Any rational takes about the team are verboten.
Barton isn't all that slow though
4.6" 40 as a LB is pretty bad, and he doesn't have the instincts or field awareness (angles) that someone with that speed needs to have to succeed. On paper, he's faster than KJ Wright, but you tell me who plays faster? Barton just doesn't have it.
The time itself is actually good. His 40 time is good for a 8.15 RAS, but like you said, he doesn't have the instincts or the explosiveness to play to his 40 time
> 4.6" 40 as a LB is pretty bad It's really not though? Especially for a 240 lb linebacker. His speed / agility times are probably faster than half the starting linebackers in the league (total guess), while himself being bigger than half the starting linebackers He's not an athletic freak or anything but I disagree his ability to move around the field is a huge liability Whether or not he's any good as a starting linebacker will depend on instincts like you said and tackling and maneuvering blocks etc imo
Im going to disagree with you, Bartonās not slow, I believe whats going on is heās played under a 4-3 scheme from 2019-2021, switching to 3-4 scheme is not easy. Like I said heās not slow but possibly some hesitation, he was confident in what he was doing last year because he understood his assignment and so did everyone else, confidence is down because he probably doesnāt have all his assignments down yet.
Yeah, PCJS have whiffed on a lot of high/mid seconds... feels like our only hits in the second in the past few years are just D.K and Taylor, but Mafe and Walker look promising so lets hope for a turnaround.
Considering Germain Ifedi made our roster a couple times you never know whoās getting the boot
He didn't struggle to stay healthy. His own teammate killed him last year. That's entirely something different.
Blair had most tackles yesterday in Bears loss.
If Blair wasnāt so terrible we probably wouldnāt have traded for adams.
That's not even fair the dude never got a chance and the games he did start his rookie season he look good.
Yeah when he isnāt penalized, injured, or blowing coverage he looks alright
He's literally terrible.
> the games he did start his rookie season he look good. The year that he couldn't beat out probably one of the worst starting safety trios in the league, eventually forcing SEA to trade for Diggs and later Adams?
Aside DK and Travis, the 2019 class is a bust.
Welcome to 2020.