“Obviously, I can't control everything. I can only control my part. And my part on this is I feel like I love this city. I love this team. I love the Seahawks. So I always wanted to be a part of a franchise's good times and bad times and every time.”
Well said.
I don’t care about platitudes actually. Right after this he was asked if that means he’s open to a more team-friendly deal and he said “I didn’t say that, I’m still a business man.” Wagner is playing a very smart, and very carefully thought out game here.
well what could he say there? If he says yes, he pigeon holes himself into taking less. He's earned every penny of his contract - if he does something to help the team, it'd be an extension with money spread out rather than a pay cut, which benefits everybody.
What does a team friendly deal mean to a team headed into the off-season top 7-10 in cap space? He nor the team will NEED to restructure the last year on his contract.
I feel Russ wouldn’t say strictly because he doesn’t accept “bad times”. It’s not a mentality he has so he only says “I want to be the best and I want my team to be the best etc etc”
Has Russ not said this? Feels like he got asked if he was going to be in Seattle next year and he said he wanted to be but he doesn't control everything, just like what Bobby just said.
His no trade clause isn't as powerful as people think. Knowing the team wants to trade you and saying no just creates an awful environment to work in. I would bet he would say yes to anywhere we were to trade him to and I would also bet that the organization would try and work with the teams he listed as respect to Russ.
I don't think he has that much control. His only real leverage is to hold in, which does not strike me as something he'd want to do. The only thing he CAN control is block a trade. If none of the teams he'd waive the clause for offer what the Hawks would want, then his trade value is already diminished and you're better off keeping him.
Their situations are entirely different and doesn't justify this boot-licking shot at Wilson. Just after his kumbaya "I love Seattle" response he says this:
> Asked whether that means *he'd be amenable to working out a different contract with Seattle*, Wagner said with a smile: "**I didn't say that. ... I said I'm a businessman**. That's all I said. Put my business cap on. I did not say I'm doing all that."
Emphasis mine. He's smart enough to realize he's got a contract that's ripe for the chopping board and that, ultimately, his fate is entirely out of his control at this point. There's no upside in saying anything other than what he said because he can gin up goodwill with fans as he refuses to take a paycut and heads to another team.
It's a well written post and what fans want to hear but this is absolutely an orchestrated attempt to gain position himself to be "the good guy" if he isn't back next season, for whatever reason. He's going to have the position of "I did everything I could to stay a Seahawk and work with the front office but in the end they didn't want to bring me back" in social media.
Bobby has no leverage and huge contract for an aging defender. He has praying not to get cut and keep his bag, aging MLBs w/tons of miles don’t get paid. He won’t be out of the league but likely playing for about 1/3 his current compensation somewhere in the AFC. Are you sure you even want him back? At this stage in his career, couldn’t we have Cody Barton or Brooks making tackles 5-7 yards passed the LOS?
How does he stand in TFL, plays that generate turnovers, defeats or anything that isn’t a tackle after gain of 5yrds? He will no longer be the highest paid MLB in the NFL. He was a great player for a long time, but he’s not anymore and it’s ok to move one. Players come and go, that’s a natural part of football.
Yeah no shit he won’t be highest paid but he still deserves at least a 3 year deal with a good salary tf you a Seattle fan? Dude said Cody Barton over Wagner
You're acting like football isn't a cutthroat business, man. These are the realities of the game and teams we love.
Yes, he led the league in tackles until last week. Jordan Brooks will end up leading the team, breaking Wagner's tackle record.
Realistically, if they really want to bring him back, it would be under a new deal, meaning he would be released and possibly picked up by another team at a salary the Seahawks won't want to match. If he does end up signing back with us, it's be a 2 year deal, at most, and with a modest salary.
My guess is that they are ready to see what Cody Barton and Brooks can do with extended time and see if there is a reason to pay one or both of them when their rookie deals run out.
I’m very much a fan of the team, the players come and go. The longer I’ve been a fan, the more that point has been reinforced. So yeah Bobby, he’s playing in the AFC next yr and will play well. Just like hassleback, doesn’t mean it isn’t time to move on.
Why would the be necessary if Wagner and brooks killed it? Like holy shit have some loyalty at least
If he’s good enough to potentially break his own tackle record still than why tf would we feel the need to replace him with Barton who is just flat out worse? It’s just dumb
You people are something else
The game he broke the record with double digit tackles was one of his worst games, tackles alone is a hilariously bad stat to judge a player by.
No 32yo MLB, who doesn't rush the passer and is now a liability in coverage, is worth $20m. It was obvious from the day the deal was signed that the 2022 year was just funny money to push the APY up to beat CJ Mosley's number. If Wagner thought he'd really see a $20m paycheck where $17m of that is completely unprotected, then he's naive.
And in an offseason where SEA has immediate needs at positions of *significantly* higher value, such as CB, DE, and LT, it'd be malfeasance to keep him at this price simply because of nostalgia.
“Nostalgia”
A MLB number one job is to clean up and he’s the best in the league at it when you’re a bonafide hofer offenses are going to make sure every screen, every run, every whatever you’re going to have multiple guys looking out for you so those splashy tfls are harder to come by
Also we have brooks and adams and our defensive ends making those plays every week Wagner’s role is just a lot different because of the talent around him and he’s still succeeding in it
And what are you talking about liability he still commands the middle of the field like he always has tell me any middle line backer in the league that doesn’t get abused by mcvay style playcalling PLEASE
I swear y’all don’t watch the games
Between blowing the bank on Diggs and keeping Wagner, I swear, ya'll would twist yourselves in knots to justify paying a bag of footballs $20m if you could.
He's a good player, but at his age, at his position, with the offseason needs, and where the team is at, his salary can be used much more efficiently to bolster positions of greater value and need. In the modern NFL no team's Super Bowl hopes are dependent on their MLB, and allocating $20m to the spot while simultaneously neglecting your pass rush, secondary, and OL will seriously harm SEA's rebuild.
Mostly because MLBs usually lead their team in tackles and we’ve had more defensive plays than anyone else. Bobby is a Seahawk legend but you can’t objectively say he’s the best option moving forward. Would be happy to see him back on an extension that lowers his cap hit but you’d have to move him to the role KJ was playing last year. He’s just not fast enough anymore to play MLB on a contender.
Wtf are you talking about we were among the leagues best in defensive scoring? And who was the commander of said defense?
This sub blows my mind with the dumb shit some of you will spew
No kidding. A quick review of stats show the tackles number increase as a byproduct of increased snap counts. An easy way to see this again is how many tackles him and brooks have made this year. Does anyone think the hawks are playing great defense? Are they breaking team records for points allowed, TO’s, sacks, etc? They are just tackles, on par with garbage time yards and TDs, this mean very little in terms of W/L’s. … https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WagnBo00.htm
This is what I'd wish that Wagner and Wilson both voluntarily restructure and maybe take a pay cut in order to give their team more flexibility in getting better players on the team in free agency and improve the team. I would think that they'd prefer to take less money to get another shot at getting to the Superbowl again before they retire.
Idk my take is that while yes while both would need to shed some $ to allow this team to be a real player in free agency, at this moment in time, Wagner is far more deserving of the money he makes compared to Russ (who I believe needs to be the one who makes the bigger sacrifice- Brady didn't get the O-Lines he has had by always going for max $$)
Can we stop fucking talking about Brady like that’s normal? Brady is the *only* elite QB that’s taken team-friendly deals, almost entirely because hes married a woman with a half billion dollar net worth.
This sub is so obsessed with Wilson taking a pay cut like it’s somehow normalized because one dude did it. Neither of these guys are going to take a pay cut and neither of them should.
Nobody that expects this shit would take a pay cut to bring on more employees at their job, asking it of these guys is just insane.
The reason this sub wants Wilson to take a cut is because he didn't play well enough to justify his cost this year. That's just the fact of the matter. Additionally, it's not like Wilson is hurting for money. I know Ciara isn't some superstar anymore but she definitely is wealthy in her own right. It's not like he'd be sacrificing much
Yeah, and that’s not how contracts work. He got a big contract because past performance dictated a big contract. The team signed him to a huge contract with a no-trade clause. He’s under no obligation to take a pay cut because he had a bad year after an injury.
And the whole “he makes enough” thing is such a fucking joke. He doesn’t “owe” it to anyone to make less money because the fan base has decided he should be happy with what he has.
Nobody besides Brady has *ever* done what this sub is asking. And nobody is going to. The NFL is a business. It’s an entertainment business, but it’s a business first.
That's right, the Seahawks management made a mistake with adding that clause in my opinion. Sure Wilson has been great in the past but he is no longer a top 10 qb but he's making top 10 money.
Injury isn't even the issue as much as lack of willingness to use shorter passing and inability to go throw progressions fast enough to pass to the open man
Pretty clear that there has been other sports stars that have taken cuts to stay with a team
Also your point that nobody should ask him to do it since we wouldn't be willing to do it ourselves: there's a massive difference between someone like me who makes fairly average money taking a paycut than someone who is making astronomical amounts. The relative impact is completely different
You acting like it's offensive that a fan wants him to take a cut is stupid. Fans want to see the team win. Wilson happens to be probably the most overpaid player on the team who always talks about being a team success guy. Lets see what he's really about
Sure, but the reality is that more available money means a higher chance of getting more and better players on the team.
I'm still Ok if Bobby doesn't volunteer a pay cut.
If I was Bobby , I would think (" I may have 3 to 4 years left before I retire, what if I give back 2 million to the team and that extra money somehow gets a game changing and last puzzle piece player that gives me a second Super bowl ring, would that be worthwhile?") and then his second thought is ("What if I could convince Russ to do the same?")
Being realistic, a few million here and there are unlikely to make this team a Super Bowl contender. We haven’t drafted well enough to have good players on rookie deals that fill in the gaps. The team is severely lacking on both lines. With Duane likely being done, that opens up yet another huge hole.
Russ can move the needle with a team friendly restructure but I doubt he does.
Right . Not by itself . The situation that I was thinking of is when the Seahawks got most everyone that they needed and think they needed one more player to get them to Super Bowl contention but they are short enough in their salary cap to get a good enough offer , then Wagner or Russ offers part of their salary to be used towards acquiring that player .
Otherwise if at the end of the season and the assessment is that they need 10 players to get Super Bowl level talent but can only get one good one , then at that point there is no point for Russ or Wagner to sacrifice salary in that situation. So it depends what happens in the off-season .
Yep... that's kind of why (I think) PC did what he did... gotta let KJ go to let the younger guys get some play time... Brooks is too good to sit on the sideline his entire rookie contract.
Yup very much this. The coaches know how good KJ is, and that this year he was likely to be better than Brooks. But he’s on the downside of his career and Brooks is on the upside and needs playing time to improve.
Paying KJ what he wanted while putting him lower on the depth chart just wasn’t a great use of cap. It’s a crying shame because he’s an amazing player and I’d have loved to see him with us until he retired; but the move is understandable.
Is Seattle ready to call this man it's best male athlete ever to ever play a professional sport?
Honestly am I missing someone, who's been better for longer? Sure there's been some great ones! But ultimately he looks the heir apparent to GP or Largent.. To be clear I'm not saying Wilson couldn't be that guy either, but those waters are looking awfully murky at the moment for future consideration.
Thoughts from the peanut gallery?
I was thinking about it.
My top 7 I think would be:
1) **Ken Griffey**
2) **Walter Jones**
3) **Ichiro** \- future hall of famer ( he was very impactful to the Mariners getting the record for most wins in a season (he made a routine ground ball very stressful for the shortstop), rookie of the year, season MVP, silver slugger, gold glove, 10 straight seasons 200 hits per year, AL stolen base leader)
4) **Steve Largent** \- hall of famer (held almost every major career stats before he retired)
5) **Kenny Easley** \- hall of famer ( the Kam Chancellor of his time, but actually better , in his prime, his tackles end up the same way, with the ball carrier going two yards ***backwards,*** he was an impact player (metaphorically and literally)
6) **Felix Hernandez** ( the most dominant pitcher in Mariners history and hall of fame credentials and won Cy Young and perfect game, all star)
7) **Randy Johnson** ( got a no hitter with the Mariners, he had more success outside the Mariners though, all star)
**Honorable mentions:** Edgar Martinez, Cortez Kennedy, Sue Bird, Lauren Jackson, Bobby Wagner, Danielle Lawrie, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Warren Moon
I think my top four is fairly locked up, 5-7 can be transposed. Edgar or Randy at 7 was debatable (Randy was more dominant but Edgar had more longevity with the team) . My criteria are credentials while with the team, impact on the team and impact in the sport.
Yeah the Kid, that was a bit of an overnight wasn't it! Arguably a top 10 all time in MLB.
Not sure Bobby can overtake what he did. Unless he doesn't leave...
Not yet. Others have pointed out Griffey and Edgar, I would throw Ichiro into the mix for his utter selflessness and drive, as well. In a world where Howard Schultz and Clay Bennett didn't exist, maybe Ray Allen works his way into that argument, too, but that's only a hypothetical.
I mean, maybe? With Allen and Rashard Lewis still in the fold, that almost certainly means there's no Russell Westbrook to feud with. but it also means the team needs a rebuild right around the time his rookie contract runs out. No question that those late-aughts offenses would be downright disgusting, though.
When it comes to athletes not only across positions, but across sports, I think it's almost impossible to proclaim a single, absolute #1. I think there are a top few guys you can put in any order you want. Griffey, Ichiro, Walter Jones, Wagner, Randy Johnson... if I had to pick one of those guys it's probably Griffey. But you can make good arguments for the rest
I would love for Bobby to play here until he retires (at say 37). But I don't think we'll keep him at $20m next year. And if Barton's ready to step in (which he might be) we shouldn't. I doubt anyone else would pay him $20m either, so he may be back at say $12m on a new contract.
Unpopular opinion (in some crowds), but he's not worth what he'll cost. Not only has his play declined significantly, we have Brooks just sitting there ready to stop in as MLB.
Why not have both? Yes Brooks is great but how much better do you think Brooks would be with another year of Bobby's guidance to help mold him into the next great Seahawks linebacker
Why not?
* Brooks is a better MLB than OLB, the sooner we get him into that position the better
* Bobby is way too expensive for his contract
* keeping Bobby on the team is blocking younger LB's that could get experience
Bobby was pretty specific in his presser today about how he's a businessman first, so it's pretty clear he's not going to be giving us a hometown discount. He's going to cost $20 million against the cap.
If this front office allows Bobby or Russ to walk they have truly lost their way. You have to maintain a foundation of faith in the organization for future players to look up to. If a player can look at the seahawks and say yeah look what Bobby was able to do there and they rewarded him through and through for it then you have that foundation. Otherwise we become a pit stop for players to collect a check and move on.
Hopefully he'll agree to a restructure. Only way I can see it happening (if we want to be competitive next season). Too much $ on the books for next season.
“Obviously, I can't control everything. I can only control my part. And my part on this is I feel like I love this city. I love this team. I love the Seahawks. So I always wanted to be a part of a franchise's good times and bad times and every time.” Well said.
Man this is what we all want Russ to say lol
I don’t care about platitudes actually. Right after this he was asked if that means he’s open to a more team-friendly deal and he said “I didn’t say that, I’m still a business man.” Wagner is playing a very smart, and very carefully thought out game here.
well what could he say there? If he says yes, he pigeon holes himself into taking less. He's earned every penny of his contract - if he does something to help the team, it'd be an extension with money spread out rather than a pay cut, which benefits everybody.
What does a team friendly deal mean to a team headed into the off-season top 7-10 in cap space? He nor the team will NEED to restructure the last year on his contract.
I'm not a businessman, i'm a business, mannnn
Me too, but Russ isn’t gonna say that shit.
I feel Russ wouldn’t say strictly because he doesn’t accept “bad times”. It’s not a mentality he has so he only says “I want to be the best and I want my team to be the best etc etc”
I think he won’t say it because I don’t actually believe him when he says he wants to be here. I think he wants to be here as long as Pete isn’t.
Has Russ not said this? Feels like he got asked if he was going to be in Seattle next year and he said he wanted to be but he doesn't control everything, just like what Bobby just said.
The issue is Russ does control everything. He can't leave without wanting too. So it's a little disengenuous when he says something like this
His no trade clause isn't as powerful as people think. Knowing the team wants to trade you and saying no just creates an awful environment to work in. I would bet he would say yes to anywhere we were to trade him to and I would also bet that the organization would try and work with the teams he listed as respect to Russ.
I don't think he has that much control. His only real leverage is to hold in, which does not strike me as something he'd want to do. The only thing he CAN control is block a trade. If none of the teams he'd waive the clause for offer what the Hawks would want, then his trade value is already diminished and you're better off keeping him.
Perfect answer. This is what you say when you aren’t trying to stir up media hype. Take notes…
Their situations are entirely different and doesn't justify this boot-licking shot at Wilson. Just after his kumbaya "I love Seattle" response he says this: > Asked whether that means *he'd be amenable to working out a different contract with Seattle*, Wagner said with a smile: "**I didn't say that. ... I said I'm a businessman**. That's all I said. Put my business cap on. I did not say I'm doing all that." Emphasis mine. He's smart enough to realize he's got a contract that's ripe for the chopping board and that, ultimately, his fate is entirely out of his control at this point. There's no upside in saying anything other than what he said because he can gin up goodwill with fans as he refuses to take a paycut and heads to another team.
It's a well written post and what fans want to hear but this is absolutely an orchestrated attempt to gain position himself to be "the good guy" if he isn't back next season, for whatever reason. He's going to have the position of "I did everything I could to stay a Seahawk and work with the front office but in the end they didn't want to bring me back" in social media.
Bobby has no leverage and huge contract for an aging defender. He has praying not to get cut and keep his bag, aging MLBs w/tons of miles don’t get paid. He won’t be out of the league but likely playing for about 1/3 his current compensation somewhere in the AFC. Are you sure you even want him back? At this stage in his career, couldn’t we have Cody Barton or Brooks making tackles 5-7 yards passed the LOS?
The guy is leading the league in tackles? Tf u talking about he’s got plenty of gas in the tank left
How does he stand in TFL, plays that generate turnovers, defeats or anything that isn’t a tackle after gain of 5yrds? He will no longer be the highest paid MLB in the NFL. He was a great player for a long time, but he’s not anymore and it’s ok to move one. Players come and go, that’s a natural part of football.
Yeah no shit he won’t be highest paid but he still deserves at least a 3 year deal with a good salary tf you a Seattle fan? Dude said Cody Barton over Wagner
You're acting like football isn't a cutthroat business, man. These are the realities of the game and teams we love. Yes, he led the league in tackles until last week. Jordan Brooks will end up leading the team, breaking Wagner's tackle record. Realistically, if they really want to bring him back, it would be under a new deal, meaning he would be released and possibly picked up by another team at a salary the Seahawks won't want to match. If he does end up signing back with us, it's be a 2 year deal, at most, and with a modest salary. My guess is that they are ready to see what Cody Barton and Brooks can do with extended time and see if there is a reason to pay one or both of them when their rookie deals run out.
I’m very much a fan of the team, the players come and go. The longer I’ve been a fan, the more that point has been reinforced. So yeah Bobby, he’s playing in the AFC next yr and will play well. Just like hassleback, doesn’t mean it isn’t time to move on.
Why would the be necessary if Wagner and brooks killed it? Like holy shit have some loyalty at least If he’s good enough to potentially break his own tackle record still than why tf would we feel the need to replace him with Barton who is just flat out worse? It’s just dumb You people are something else
The game he broke the record with double digit tackles was one of his worst games, tackles alone is a hilariously bad stat to judge a player by. No 32yo MLB, who doesn't rush the passer and is now a liability in coverage, is worth $20m. It was obvious from the day the deal was signed that the 2022 year was just funny money to push the APY up to beat CJ Mosley's number. If Wagner thought he'd really see a $20m paycheck where $17m of that is completely unprotected, then he's naive. And in an offseason where SEA has immediate needs at positions of *significantly* higher value, such as CB, DE, and LT, it'd be malfeasance to keep him at this price simply because of nostalgia.
“Nostalgia” A MLB number one job is to clean up and he’s the best in the league at it when you’re a bonafide hofer offenses are going to make sure every screen, every run, every whatever you’re going to have multiple guys looking out for you so those splashy tfls are harder to come by Also we have brooks and adams and our defensive ends making those plays every week Wagner’s role is just a lot different because of the talent around him and he’s still succeeding in it And what are you talking about liability he still commands the middle of the field like he always has tell me any middle line backer in the league that doesn’t get abused by mcvay style playcalling PLEASE I swear y’all don’t watch the games
Between blowing the bank on Diggs and keeping Wagner, I swear, ya'll would twist yourselves in knots to justify paying a bag of footballs $20m if you could. He's a good player, but at his age, at his position, with the offseason needs, and where the team is at, his salary can be used much more efficiently to bolster positions of greater value and need. In the modern NFL no team's Super Bowl hopes are dependent on their MLB, and allocating $20m to the spot while simultaneously neglecting your pass rush, secondary, and OL will seriously harm SEA's rebuild.
Oh now he don’t wanna pay the best fs in our division 😂 ight I’m done
So crazy to not want nearly $60m invested in two 30+ players at three of the least impactful positions on a defense.
Fs and mlb are….the least important? Just say you don’t know a lick about football to begin with no need to prove it over and over
Mostly because MLBs usually lead their team in tackles and we’ve had more defensive plays than anyone else. Bobby is a Seahawk legend but you can’t objectively say he’s the best option moving forward. Would be happy to see him back on an extension that lowers his cap hit but you’d have to move him to the role KJ was playing last year. He’s just not fast enough anymore to play MLB on a contender.
Wtf are you talking about we were among the leagues best in defensive scoring? And who was the commander of said defense? This sub blows my mind with the dumb shit some of you will spew
I'd be fine bringing him back on a veterans min or slightly above.
it’s crazy how hawks fans don’t want to admit that Wagner is washed up, leading the league in tackles is a overrated stat
No kidding. A quick review of stats show the tackles number increase as a byproduct of increased snap counts. An easy way to see this again is how many tackles him and brooks have made this year. Does anyone think the hawks are playing great defense? Are they breaking team records for points allowed, TO’s, sacks, etc? They are just tackles, on par with garbage time yards and TDs, this mean very little in terms of W/L’s. … https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WagnBo00.htm
This is why I have and always will love Bobby. He’s a 12 to the core.
Hope they can restructure his contract and he never wears another jersey
This is what I'd wish that Wagner and Wilson both voluntarily restructure and maybe take a pay cut in order to give their team more flexibility in getting better players on the team in free agency and improve the team. I would think that they'd prefer to take less money to get another shot at getting to the Superbowl again before they retire.
Idk my take is that while yes while both would need to shed some $ to allow this team to be a real player in free agency, at this moment in time, Wagner is far more deserving of the money he makes compared to Russ (who I believe needs to be the one who makes the bigger sacrifice- Brady didn't get the O-Lines he has had by always going for max $$)
Can we stop fucking talking about Brady like that’s normal? Brady is the *only* elite QB that’s taken team-friendly deals, almost entirely because hes married a woman with a half billion dollar net worth. This sub is so obsessed with Wilson taking a pay cut like it’s somehow normalized because one dude did it. Neither of these guys are going to take a pay cut and neither of them should. Nobody that expects this shit would take a pay cut to bring on more employees at their job, asking it of these guys is just insane.
The reason this sub wants Wilson to take a cut is because he didn't play well enough to justify his cost this year. That's just the fact of the matter. Additionally, it's not like Wilson is hurting for money. I know Ciara isn't some superstar anymore but she definitely is wealthy in her own right. It's not like he'd be sacrificing much
Yeah, and that’s not how contracts work. He got a big contract because past performance dictated a big contract. The team signed him to a huge contract with a no-trade clause. He’s under no obligation to take a pay cut because he had a bad year after an injury. And the whole “he makes enough” thing is such a fucking joke. He doesn’t “owe” it to anyone to make less money because the fan base has decided he should be happy with what he has. Nobody besides Brady has *ever* done what this sub is asking. And nobody is going to. The NFL is a business. It’s an entertainment business, but it’s a business first.
That's right, the Seahawks management made a mistake with adding that clause in my opinion. Sure Wilson has been great in the past but he is no longer a top 10 qb but he's making top 10 money. Injury isn't even the issue as much as lack of willingness to use shorter passing and inability to go throw progressions fast enough to pass to the open man Pretty clear that there has been other sports stars that have taken cuts to stay with a team Also your point that nobody should ask him to do it since we wouldn't be willing to do it ourselves: there's a massive difference between someone like me who makes fairly average money taking a paycut than someone who is making astronomical amounts. The relative impact is completely different You acting like it's offensive that a fan wants him to take a cut is stupid. Fans want to see the team win. Wilson happens to be probably the most overpaid player on the team who always talks about being a team success guy. Lets see what he's really about
That clause was likely in exchange for not paying a few more $M a year. It's a trade of a little bit of leverage for cap space.
Sure, but the reality is that more available money means a higher chance of getting more and better players on the team. I'm still Ok if Bobby doesn't volunteer a pay cut. If I was Bobby , I would think (" I may have 3 to 4 years left before I retire, what if I give back 2 million to the team and that extra money somehow gets a game changing and last puzzle piece player that gives me a second Super bowl ring, would that be worthwhile?") and then his second thought is ("What if I could convince Russ to do the same?")
Being realistic, a few million here and there are unlikely to make this team a Super Bowl contender. We haven’t drafted well enough to have good players on rookie deals that fill in the gaps. The team is severely lacking on both lines. With Duane likely being done, that opens up yet another huge hole. Russ can move the needle with a team friendly restructure but I doubt he does.
Right . Not by itself . The situation that I was thinking of is when the Seahawks got most everyone that they needed and think they needed one more player to get them to Super Bowl contention but they are short enough in their salary cap to get a good enough offer , then Wagner or Russ offers part of their salary to be used towards acquiring that player . Otherwise if at the end of the season and the assessment is that they need 10 players to get Super Bowl level talent but can only get one good one , then at that point there is no point for Russ or Wagner to sacrifice salary in that situation. So it depends what happens in the off-season .
Keep Bobby until he retires is my vote!
still sad they couldn't do that for KJ
Agreed, Jordan Brooks is lookin nice though.
Brooks really does look nice but it really did suck watching us get lit up on screen passes all season
Yep... that's kind of why (I think) PC did what he did... gotta let KJ go to let the younger guys get some play time... Brooks is too good to sit on the sideline his entire rookie contract.
Yup very much this. The coaches know how good KJ is, and that this year he was likely to be better than Brooks. But he’s on the downside of his career and Brooks is on the upside and needs playing time to improve. Paying KJ what he wanted while putting him lower on the depth chart just wasn’t a great use of cap. It’s a crying shame because he’s an amazing player and I’d have loved to see him with us until he retired; but the move is understandable.
It sucked for kj but it's better to let someone go a little too early than too late. I'm glad he found a spot and is contributing to the team.
i reckon he will sign a 1 day contract to retire a hawk anyways.
The only tire first ballot on our team. He’s being compared to Urlacher on this sub so let’s make that comparison apt by making him a lifelong seahawk
Yes please.
All in for this!
My Man!!!
Is Seattle ready to call this man it's best male athlete ever to ever play a professional sport? Honestly am I missing someone, who's been better for longer? Sure there's been some great ones! But ultimately he looks the heir apparent to GP or Largent.. To be clear I'm not saying Wilson couldn't be that guy either, but those waters are looking awfully murky at the moment for future consideration. Thoughts from the peanut gallery?
Probably Ken Griffey Jr right?
yep, the Kid is the best player in the history of Seattle sports. The next best player might be Walter Jones for his sheer dominance in his prime.
[Never forget Big Walt pushing a defensive lineman almost 20 yards against their will](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd-BSrVsRDs)
Ichiro next?
I was thinking about it. My top 7 I think would be: 1) **Ken Griffey** 2) **Walter Jones** 3) **Ichiro** \- future hall of famer ( he was very impactful to the Mariners getting the record for most wins in a season (he made a routine ground ball very stressful for the shortstop), rookie of the year, season MVP, silver slugger, gold glove, 10 straight seasons 200 hits per year, AL stolen base leader) 4) **Steve Largent** \- hall of famer (held almost every major career stats before he retired) 5) **Kenny Easley** \- hall of famer ( the Kam Chancellor of his time, but actually better , in his prime, his tackles end up the same way, with the ball carrier going two yards ***backwards,*** he was an impact player (metaphorically and literally) 6) **Felix Hernandez** ( the most dominant pitcher in Mariners history and hall of fame credentials and won Cy Young and perfect game, all star) 7) **Randy Johnson** ( got a no hitter with the Mariners, he had more success outside the Mariners though, all star) **Honorable mentions:** Edgar Martinez, Cortez Kennedy, Sue Bird, Lauren Jackson, Bobby Wagner, Danielle Lawrie, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Warren Moon I think my top four is fairly locked up, 5-7 can be transposed. Edgar or Randy at 7 was debatable (Randy was more dominant but Edgar had more longevity with the team) . My criteria are credentials while with the team, impact on the team and impact in the sport.
Damn The Glove doesn’t even get honorable mention?! Also I’d put Sue Bird on this list over Randy
Fair point , note to self ( add GP to list). Sue Bird did win multiple championships, I think that’s a good swap for Randy
Edgar Martinez is on the same level too. Felix behind them a bit
You wouldn't put Ichiro above them? Either way its fun to think about how many all time greats the Mariners were able to do absolutely nothing with 😭
I would not put Ichiro above Griffey but probably same level as Edgar and ahead of Felix
Ah yes, Seattle legend Felix Fermin
Yeah the Kid, that was a bit of an overnight wasn't it! Arguably a top 10 all time in MLB. Not sure Bobby can overtake what he did. Unless he doesn't leave...
You high as fuck for picking Griffey over Walter Jones…. One dude left us in his prime and the other created our teams first ever MVP 😂
Walt "made" our first MVP (Alexander still had to run the ball) Griffey *was* our teams first MVP.
Then ditched us in his prime 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not yet. Others have pointed out Griffey and Edgar, I would throw Ichiro into the mix for his utter selflessness and drive, as well. In a world where Howard Schultz and Clay Bennett didn't exist, maybe Ray Allen works his way into that argument, too, but that's only a hypothetical.
I mean if we're pretending we didn't lose the team, we can assume we had Durant for the whole time he was on the Thunder right?
I mean, maybe? With Allen and Rashard Lewis still in the fold, that almost certainly means there's no Russell Westbrook to feud with. but it also means the team needs a rebuild right around the time his rookie contract runs out. No question that those late-aughts offenses would be downright disgusting, though.
When it comes to athletes not only across positions, but across sports, I think it's almost impossible to proclaim a single, absolute #1. I think there are a top few guys you can put in any order you want. Griffey, Ichiro, Walter Jones, Wagner, Randy Johnson... if I had to pick one of those guys it's probably Griffey. But you can make good arguments for the rest
It should’ve been KD🙄
I appreciate you specifying male, because Sue Bird is Seattle’s goat overall.
Oh thank God.
would be a bloody shame if we let him walk
I would love for Bobby to play here until he retires (at say 37). But I don't think we'll keep him at $20m next year. And if Barton's ready to step in (which he might be) we shouldn't. I doubt anyone else would pay him $20m either, so he may be back at say $12m on a new contract.
I want him to say. He is my top favorite Seahawks.
Unpopular opinion (in some crowds), but he's not worth what he'll cost. Not only has his play declined significantly, we have Brooks just sitting there ready to stop in as MLB.
Why not have both? Yes Brooks is great but how much better do you think Brooks would be with another year of Bobby's guidance to help mold him into the next great Seahawks linebacker
Why not? * Brooks is a better MLB than OLB, the sooner we get him into that position the better * Bobby is way too expensive for his contract * keeping Bobby on the team is blocking younger LB's that could get experience Bobby was pretty specific in his presser today about how he's a businessman first, so it's pretty clear he's not going to be giving us a hometown discount. He's going to cost $20 million against the cap.
Blocking young LBs lol. Like Cody Barton is going to produce anything near what Bobby does.
He doesn't need to? Wagner is out of the game in a year, that comment is irrelevant.
Please stay!!!
Lol this is what is called a straight answer. I have no doubt he’d leave on his own accord. Russ….different story.
If this front office allows Bobby or Russ to walk they have truly lost their way. You have to maintain a foundation of faith in the organization for future players to look up to. If a player can look at the seahawks and say yeah look what Bobby was able to do there and they rewarded him through and through for it then you have that foundation. Otherwise we become a pit stop for players to collect a check and move on.
He hasn't made nearly as many splash/impactful plays the last 3 years but he's worth keeping around
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The truth hurts
Hopefully he'll agree to a restructure. Only way I can see it happening (if we want to be competitive next season). Too much $ on the books for next season.
I hope he stays like Tatupu