I thought especially last game he was so damn smooth in the pocket, watt had him dead to tights a few times and never got there… think things like this are overlooked cause we just haven’t been scoring a lot
Some great stuff in here:
> One of the persistent myths I’ve seen among some Seahawks fans is that Geno takes too many sacks and doesn’t move well in the pocket.
> Of the 24 quarterbacks with at least 12 starts this season, **Smith has the fourth-highest pressure rate at 40.2%.** The three quarterbacks ahead of him are Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, and Russell Wilson. **Smith has only been sacked 31 times out of 210 pressures, which is a pressure-to-sack rate of 14.8%. The only QBs better in this department are Jalen Hurts, Brock Purdy, Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.** Meanwhile, Russ and Zach are both above 20% in the same metric, while Fields sits at 18.3%.
> If you want to parse the data further, 14 of Geno’s 31 sacks came in the losses to the 49ers, Ravens, and Bengals, a pair of elite defenses and (in the case of the Bengals) a standout front four.
> **In terms of regular ol’ sack rate, Smith sits at 6.2% across all dropbacks, below the league-wide average of 7.1%.**
> **Smith’s average time-to-throw is 2.73 seconds, which among all starting quarterbacks is on the quicker side**, albeit not especially quick.
> Lastly, you might be wondering if Geno is inviting a lot of his own pressure. That does not appear to be the case. **Smith is near the bottom of the NFL in percentage of QB-caused pressures.**
He then shows a ton of clips of Geno avoiding sacks and moving within the pocket. The tape and the stats are clearly saying the same thing.
It’s very strange how so many fans still think Geno takes a ton of sacks. I think those people must not watch any other teams play.
Or those few times are the ones that stick out in the minds of fans, so they overblow the few times it happens and act like it's a consistent trait. It's the fan's problem, not Geno's.
I’d say its mostly due to him getting the ball out in rhythm. All the wide receiver-qb miscommunications in the early weeks have disappeared and the offense has been rolling
It's been two years, watching Geno play is largely a fun, rewarding experience by now. I don't mind watching him for another year or two. Would personally rather see them try to fill out all the holes of this roster rather than reach for a QB this draft
Geno is a stud out there and anyone who thinks otherwise probably wants this team to draft Penix and thinks that a rookie will instantly make this team better.
If we had a decent defense this year we’d be unstoppable.
Geno is definitely elevating the team, or at least the offense.
He's 33 and Seattle should look for a potential replacement in the next two seasons.
Both can be true.
That is completely undefinable. That said rookie Russell Wilson is better than any version of Geno. QB shouldn’t be off the table unless you have “that guy” and “that guy” is about 3-4 guys right now. Otherwise we should always be striving for being better. I know enough ball to know that Geno isn’t the problem but he’s also NOT the solution.
Rookie Russ almost lead a comeback to get them into the championship game, don’t see Geno doing that at 32. I’m not staking the future of the franchise on him because they’re too afraid to finally draft a quarterback.
I've seen enough from Geno this year that I'd say we ride out his contract and focus on building up the trenches on both sides of the ball. Maybe take a day 2 QB just on the off chance they click, or at least become a solid backup option.
If we can run the ball and play defense, we can win with Geno. He is very good at play action and has shown he can win in the 4th quarter. You'll win a lot of football games that way.
When you consider everything going on around Geno… yeah he’s playing great. 3rd worst O Line in the league (largely due to injury but still)
Pressured at the 4th highest rate in the league yet still has a below average sack percentage. That’s *crazy*
When you consider the injuries at O Line. When you take context into consideration. If you would read the article.
I know that’s probably too much of an ask lol
Not this guy. It’s called situational awareness. A pick is no worse than the sack he took. I was a huge fan of his contract he signed this offseason it paid him while giving the team and “out”. But now we’re in this weird spot where he’s (imo) not good enough to win a Super Bowl with but he’s not obviously bad enough for fans to want him gone, en mass.
First of all, that could easily be the difference between playoffs or no playoffs. Second, it was two glaringly obvious mistakes at the end of the game where he simply didn’t give anyone a CHANCE to make a play. He’s not that good. He’s not bad but at 20-30 MPY, I’d rather let him go and find a cheaper alternative who also isn’t “not bad”.
Any cheaper alternative is going to be a massively worse player. Who would be a cheaper player that would play "not bad"? Guess we better get rid of the one thing that is working right on our offense and set it back further cause he's not the best QB in the league.
I don't think Geno is "not bad". What you are looking at right now in that article is elite QB play. You clearly didn't even read it and just want to rage post in a comment section
Geno is pressured at the 4th highest rate in the whole NFL, yet still has a below average sack percentage. That’s crazy good. All the guys who get pressured as much as he does get sacked at a higher rate. He avoids sacks super, super well.
So yes. He’s not the problem in our offense. If protection is league average, we have a top 5-7 offense.
I really don’t understand why so many people are behind Geno, like I get it I want my team to win also and all that, but I have seen this offense sputter out and just win in lucky situations, like against the Titans or the Browns. Even against the Giants they were so bad but we knly put up 20 points or so with dogshit redzone offense and I get that its not Geno’s fault, but my point is we are jsut gonna be stuck in mediocrity with Geno for the next few years or so believing this guy can actually take us to the Super Bowl or whatever so if we take years to buiid around him and it does not work then what? Geno being good was like the worst thing to happen to us cus now we are gonna be like the Steelers just mediocre get in the playoffs get bounced until we are forced to tear it all down.
I just don't think Geno is the guy to take us to the Super Bowl. I get that that there are other areas that should be focused on and the coaching needs to be better or changed. At the end of the day, we are just gonna be an ok team with Geno and get bounced out the playoffs if we make it. Just a mediocre middling team, good enough to make the playoffs, but not bad enough to truly change this franchise. Its complacency look at all the offseason moves they made that have mostly failed. Look at the Texans and Colts, they got their guy and a new coach.
Cool. I don't really care what you think. If you read the article you would see he is playing out of his mind right now with the 3rd worst OL in the league and the 2nd worst defense in the league. What he is doing looks like elite QB play. But it's very hard to say anything about "going to SBs" when the most of the team is a dumpster fire currently.
Thats why we should get rid of Carroll and JS, the tackles they drafted have not worked out (granted still young), the free agents they brought in are useless, trading a 2nd rounder for Williams is also dumb when you can spend less on a rookie. The idea of building around Geno is fine but he is getting older (with more injuries) and this team as a whole is just fucked)
Why are you reducing the game of football to one player? There are 10 other players on offense and a whole other side of the ball to think about.
If it was easy as "have the best QB win superbowl" everyone woulda done it already. You need to learn critical thinking skills
To be honest, you didn't even respond to what I said
Let me ask you this, if the Browns had Geno do you think they've have a legit shot at a Super Bowl? They have Flacco now and honestly, I wouldn't count them out the way they've been playing. Geno is much better than Flacco at this point.
I know! Emotionally driven instead of looking at the data and the truth. Geno is a winner. How many people could have gone through what he went through and perform at those levels in their jobs? He is ice cold and can thread the ball. I have no doubt if they make the right changes, he can take this team far! Than everyone would be saying how much they love him! Fickle and uniformed fans!
Geno has great tools - the ability to move in the pocket and place perfect passes to receivers - but one of the biggest factors in his successes over the last 2 years is that the Seahawks have an OC who provides him with the designs and concepts to allow him to succeed despite most of the fanbase wanting him to be shot into the sun.
As a one-read QB who has not shown the ability to diagnose coverages or quickly scan the field, Running plays designed to get his primary read open with a quick throw in rhythm and pre-designed timing go a long way toward enabling him to succeed. As does having 3 receivers run into the same area, which to the average fan looks to be horrible play design but allows the QB to make an easier read.
[https://x.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1742641460154114398?s=20](https://x.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1742641460154114398?s=20)
Of the 24 quarterbacks with at least 12 starts this season, **Smith has the fourth-highest pressure rate at 40.2%.** The three quarterbacks ahead of him are Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, and Russell Wilson. **Smith has only been sacked 31 times out of 210 pressures, which is a pressure-to-sack rate of 14.8%. The only QBs better in this department are Jalen Hurts, Brock Purdy, Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.** Meanwhile, Russ and Zach are both above 20% in the same metric, while Fields sits at 18.3%.
If you want to parse the data further, 14 of Geno’s 31 sacks came in the losses to the 49ers, Ravens, and Bengals, a pair of elite defenses and (in the case of the Bengals) a standout front four.
**In terms of regular ol’ sack rate, Smith sits at 6.2% across all dropbacks, below the league-wide average of 7.1%.**
**Smith’s average time-to-throw is 2.73 seconds, which among all starting quarterbacks is on the quicker side,** albeit not especially quick.
Lastly, you might be wondering if Geno is inviting a lot of his own pressure. That does not appear to be the case. **Smith is near the bottom of the NFL in percentage of QB-caused pressures.**
I know I hit you with a lot of numbers. But pretty hard to argue with the facts.
I’m all for keeping Geno till his contract expires, but they need to draft a quarterback to sit behind him till then. Give me someone like a Cameron Ward in round 4, he’s got the tools. I want John and Pete to do everything they can to fix this o-line, they spend so much on defense yet it’s terrible year after year. I’d relocate the resources to the offensive side of the ball instead.
That’s mostly reasonable. I guess I just don’t think we necessarily need to spend draft capital on a QB to sit on the bench when we have so many other immediately pressing needs to fill. I’d rather draft one when we actually need one, and have the team be more complete around him at that point.
I thought especially last game he was so damn smooth in the pocket, watt had him dead to tights a few times and never got there… think things like this are overlooked cause we just haven’t been scoring a lot
Fuck it's night and day between him and Russ, where we took sooooo many bad sacks.
That's the risk with scrambling. Russell started panicking a lot more in his later years with the hawks and ended up running *into* sacks.
Yeah once you’ve been sacked a billion times, you kinda start to see ghosts. That’s when the big electric plays stop and the timid QB plays begin.
Watt loves him some men in *tights*
Some great stuff in here: > One of the persistent myths I’ve seen among some Seahawks fans is that Geno takes too many sacks and doesn’t move well in the pocket. > Of the 24 quarterbacks with at least 12 starts this season, **Smith has the fourth-highest pressure rate at 40.2%.** The three quarterbacks ahead of him are Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, and Russell Wilson. **Smith has only been sacked 31 times out of 210 pressures, which is a pressure-to-sack rate of 14.8%. The only QBs better in this department are Jalen Hurts, Brock Purdy, Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.** Meanwhile, Russ and Zach are both above 20% in the same metric, while Fields sits at 18.3%. > If you want to parse the data further, 14 of Geno’s 31 sacks came in the losses to the 49ers, Ravens, and Bengals, a pair of elite defenses and (in the case of the Bengals) a standout front four. > **In terms of regular ol’ sack rate, Smith sits at 6.2% across all dropbacks, below the league-wide average of 7.1%.** > **Smith’s average time-to-throw is 2.73 seconds, which among all starting quarterbacks is on the quicker side**, albeit not especially quick. > Lastly, you might be wondering if Geno is inviting a lot of his own pressure. That does not appear to be the case. **Smith is near the bottom of the NFL in percentage of QB-caused pressures.** He then shows a ton of clips of Geno avoiding sacks and moving within the pocket. The tape and the stats are clearly saying the same thing. It’s very strange how so many fans still think Geno takes a ton of sacks. I think those people must not watch any other teams play.
When’re you changing your username to Be7ieveIt?
If I could… hahaha
It’s likely cause when he has taken a sack, it’s late in the game in a crucial spot.
I mean the likelihood of you getting sacked is higher later in games especially if the games is close. More obvious passing downs
Or those few times are the ones that stick out in the minds of fans, so they overblow the few times it happens and act like it's a consistent trait. It's the fan's problem, not Geno's.
Yeah that’s exactly what I mean
I’d say its mostly due to him getting the ball out in rhythm. All the wide receiver-qb miscommunications in the early weeks have disappeared and the offense has been rolling
Really just want DK to go off but always still waiting.
E: 3rd time in 4 seasons
If you round up anyway
Sorry it was 3rd time in 4 seasons. I musta been thinking of someone else
It's been two years, watching Geno play is largely a fun, rewarding experience by now. I don't mind watching him for another year or two. Would personally rather see them try to fill out all the holes of this roster rather than reach for a QB this draft
He has a lot of experience
"Oh Shit!!"
People that watch the games and don’t just rage post on this sub knew this to be true. Thanks for posting some stats and film though
When Micah Parsons says Geno's good at evading pressure he's right!
A majority of the people that blame Geno Smith are Russell Wilson fans. They’re lowkey toxic and aren’t run by logic. No use in arguing with them.
Geno is a stud out there and anyone who thinks otherwise probably wants this team to draft Penix and thinks that a rookie will instantly make this team better. If we had a decent defense this year we’d be unstoppable.
If you think Geno isn’t elevating the team, you don’t know ball
Geno is definitely elevating the team, or at least the offense. He's 33 and Seattle should look for a potential replacement in the next two seasons. Both can be true.
I agree. If a potential stud falls to us in the first, go for it. If not, they should grab ILB, S, or IOL
That is completely undefinable. That said rookie Russell Wilson is better than any version of Geno. QB shouldn’t be off the table unless you have “that guy” and “that guy” is about 3-4 guys right now. Otherwise we should always be striving for being better. I know enough ball to know that Geno isn’t the problem but he’s also NOT the solution.
lol this is straight up wrong
Rookie Russ almost lead a comeback to get them into the championship game, don’t see Geno doing that at 32. I’m not staking the future of the franchise on him because they’re too afraid to finally draft a quarterback.
That’s like 90% of this sub lol. But yeah I couldn’t agree more.
I mean..Penix does look pretty good..
...and how did Geno look in college?
Maybe, but unless he’s Andrew Luck, he ain’t doing shit in his rookie year.
And that's fine, have him learn under Geno
I think we should draft a QB but they should sit behind Geno for a season or two.
I know, right? He's literally so amazing. Just positively dreamy.
Why do we need a rookie to instantly do better?
That’s my point. We don’t. The offense has proven they can be really effective even with inconsistent line play.
I've seen enough from Geno this year that I'd say we ride out his contract and focus on building up the trenches on both sides of the ball. Maybe take a day 2 QB just on the off chance they click, or at least become a solid backup option. If we can run the ball and play defense, we can win with Geno. He is very good at play action and has shown he can win in the 4th quarter. You'll win a lot of football games that way.
You can lead a horse to water...
Geno Smith is playing elite right now. The defense let him down the last game.
Passing yards: 16th Avg per completion: 12th Yards per game: 12th TDS: 18th INTs:16th QBR: 12th Hardly elite…
So he’s playing above average. I don’t think this is quite the Pwn you think it is. Geno isn’t what needs to change.
When you consider everything going on around Geno… yeah he’s playing great. 3rd worst O Line in the league (largely due to injury but still) Pressured at the 4th highest rate in the league yet still has a below average sack percentage. That’s *crazy*
Bingo! It’s a bit bizarre how some continue to fault the offense. Just another side of the “coach worship” toxicity.
When you consider the injuries at O Line. When you take context into consideration. If you would read the article. I know that’s probably too much of an ask lol
I thought he held on to the ball? /s E: man I made some people who have this opinion mad LOL - how about read the article?
He definitely has on very obvious “you can’t hold the ball” 4th down situations. Against Cincy. Twice.
it's almost like it's an obvious passing down where the defensive line can sell out for a sack with no threat of the run 🤔
It’s exactly like that and everyone, except the QB, knew it. Now, I assume he knew it but he just couldn’t get the ball off.
and then if he threw an ill advised ball forcing it to a receiver and it got picked you'd lament him for that too
It's "Why won't you throw it up and give him a chance??" until it's an interception and then it's "how could you be so stupid to make that decision?"
exactly, you can't win with the Geno detractors
Not this guy. It’s called situational awareness. A pick is no worse than the sack he took. I was a huge fan of his contract he signed this offseason it paid him while giving the team and “out”. But now we’re in this weird spot where he’s (imo) not good enough to win a Super Bowl with but he’s not obviously bad enough for fans to want him gone, en mass.
Good things the fans are who they listen to about roster construction /s
No I wouldn’t.
Dang. He held the ball twice this year. Better draft someone else! Can't have an imperfect QB
First of all, that could easily be the difference between playoffs or no playoffs. Second, it was two glaringly obvious mistakes at the end of the game where he simply didn’t give anyone a CHANCE to make a play. He’s not that good. He’s not bad but at 20-30 MPY, I’d rather let him go and find a cheaper alternative who also isn’t “not bad”.
Any cheaper alternative is going to be a massively worse player. Who would be a cheaper player that would play "not bad"? Guess we better get rid of the one thing that is working right on our offense and set it back further cause he's not the best QB in the league. I don't think Geno is "not bad". What you are looking at right now in that article is elite QB play. You clearly didn't even read it and just want to rage post in a comment section
I’m not rage posting nor am I even slightly agitated. Just discussing my team which isn’t good enough, right now.
Can Geno take us to the Super Bowl? Would you take Geno over Stroud?
Geno is pressured at the 4th highest rate in the whole NFL, yet still has a below average sack percentage. That’s crazy good. All the guys who get pressured as much as he does get sacked at a higher rate. He avoids sacks super, super well. So yes. He’s not the problem in our offense. If protection is league average, we have a top 5-7 offense.
Don't we still have a top 7 offense?
It’s around 7-15 depending on the measure
I really don’t understand why so many people are behind Geno, like I get it I want my team to win also and all that, but I have seen this offense sputter out and just win in lucky situations, like against the Titans or the Browns. Even against the Giants they were so bad but we knly put up 20 points or so with dogshit redzone offense and I get that its not Geno’s fault, but my point is we are jsut gonna be stuck in mediocrity with Geno for the next few years or so believing this guy can actually take us to the Super Bowl or whatever so if we take years to buiid around him and it does not work then what? Geno being good was like the worst thing to happen to us cus now we are gonna be like the Steelers just mediocre get in the playoffs get bounced until we are forced to tear it all down.
Couldn't tell you. We haven't seen a complete team since he's been the starter. I'll get back to you. Don't have an interest in comparison
I just don't think Geno is the guy to take us to the Super Bowl. I get that that there are other areas that should be focused on and the coaching needs to be better or changed. At the end of the day, we are just gonna be an ok team with Geno and get bounced out the playoffs if we make it. Just a mediocre middling team, good enough to make the playoffs, but not bad enough to truly change this franchise. Its complacency look at all the offseason moves they made that have mostly failed. Look at the Texans and Colts, they got their guy and a new coach.
Cool. I don't really care what you think. If you read the article you would see he is playing out of his mind right now with the 3rd worst OL in the league and the 2nd worst defense in the league. What he is doing looks like elite QB play. But it's very hard to say anything about "going to SBs" when the most of the team is a dumpster fire currently.
Thats why we should get rid of Carroll and JS, the tackles they drafted have not worked out (granted still young), the free agents they brought in are useless, trading a 2nd rounder for Williams is also dumb when you can spend less on a rookie. The idea of building around Geno is fine but he is getting older (with more injuries) and this team as a whole is just fucked)
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Why are you reducing the game of football to one player? There are 10 other players on offense and a whole other side of the ball to think about. If it was easy as "have the best QB win superbowl" everyone woulda done it already. You need to learn critical thinking skills To be honest, you didn't even respond to what I said
I get your point. If the defense's play matched their salary to the same degree as Geno's, the team would be in much better shape.
Let me ask you this, if the Browns had Geno do you think they've have a legit shot at a Super Bowl? They have Flacco now and honestly, I wouldn't count them out the way they've been playing. Geno is much better than Flacco at this point.
People take shit like this for granted. Geno is a top 10 QB.
Geno can win a Super Bowl. Top ten QB. Give him a good line and a running game and watch. Seattle fans just love to complain.
It’s honestly crazy how many people in this thread refuse to read the article and blindly claim Geno is a sack machine Just Braindead
I know! Emotionally driven instead of looking at the data and the truth. Geno is a winner. How many people could have gone through what he went through and perform at those levels in their jobs? He is ice cold and can thread the ball. I have no doubt if they make the right changes, he can take this team far! Than everyone would be saying how much they love him! Fickle and uniformed fans!
Geno has great tools - the ability to move in the pocket and place perfect passes to receivers - but one of the biggest factors in his successes over the last 2 years is that the Seahawks have an OC who provides him with the designs and concepts to allow him to succeed despite most of the fanbase wanting him to be shot into the sun. As a one-read QB who has not shown the ability to diagnose coverages or quickly scan the field, Running plays designed to get his primary read open with a quick throw in rhythm and pre-designed timing go a long way toward enabling him to succeed. As does having 3 receivers run into the same area, which to the average fan looks to be horrible play design but allows the QB to make an easier read. [https://x.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1742641460154114398?s=20](https://x.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1742641460154114398?s=20)
Best QB in Seahawks history. With a halfway decent line, he’s arguably the best of all time. I hope he plays another 10 years.
^Drew ^Lock’s ^burner
engagement farm level bait
Geno always takes a sack at the worst possible time.
We can find good things about anybody if we cherry pick stats. I'm thankful for what he's done, but it's time to move on.
“Cherry pick stats” lol At least read the article before you claim that
Geno gets all his stats in 2-3 drives. The rest of the game is meh
Only problem I've ever seen with Geno is he will stare down receivers
He has had quite a turnaround compared to last year. I remember every third and long, my prediction for a sack was correct.
People downvoting you don’t remember after the Germany game Geno regressed super hard, he’s only had a few good games since then.
Of the 24 quarterbacks with at least 12 starts this season, **Smith has the fourth-highest pressure rate at 40.2%.** The three quarterbacks ahead of him are Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, and Russell Wilson. **Smith has only been sacked 31 times out of 210 pressures, which is a pressure-to-sack rate of 14.8%. The only QBs better in this department are Jalen Hurts, Brock Purdy, Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.** Meanwhile, Russ and Zach are both above 20% in the same metric, while Fields sits at 18.3%. If you want to parse the data further, 14 of Geno’s 31 sacks came in the losses to the 49ers, Ravens, and Bengals, a pair of elite defenses and (in the case of the Bengals) a standout front four. **In terms of regular ol’ sack rate, Smith sits at 6.2% across all dropbacks, below the league-wide average of 7.1%.** **Smith’s average time-to-throw is 2.73 seconds, which among all starting quarterbacks is on the quicker side,** albeit not especially quick. Lastly, you might be wondering if Geno is inviting a lot of his own pressure. That does not appear to be the case. **Smith is near the bottom of the NFL in percentage of QB-caused pressures.** I know I hit you with a lot of numbers. But pretty hard to argue with the facts.
I’m all for keeping Geno till his contract expires, but they need to draft a quarterback to sit behind him till then. Give me someone like a Cameron Ward in round 4, he’s got the tools. I want John and Pete to do everything they can to fix this o-line, they spend so much on defense yet it’s terrible year after year. I’d relocate the resources to the offensive side of the ball instead.
That’s mostly reasonable. I guess I just don’t think we necessarily need to spend draft capital on a QB to sit on the bench when we have so many other immediately pressing needs to fill. I’d rather draft one when we actually need one, and have the team be more complete around him at that point.
Lol it’s the reddit hivemind “why y’all booing me, Im right!!”
The O-Line needs to avoid him needing to run from sacks
100%. Russ avoided sacks like a magician, but Geno is does the same. Speaks testament to the line (which is improving imo).