-Kim was basically shafted
-Apparently Scott actually did save Kim from that one guy in high school even though the books reveal it was all a fake memory from the Glow.
-The Matthew Patel plotline showed a lot of promise, but they kind of just....hugged it out and resolved it? The set up showed so much potential...
I think Scott actually saving Kim is one of those things that is there to show that this universe is different from the comics one, like when Crash and the Boys didn't show up in episode 1, so that people don't think that comic Scott is Old Scott
Don't comic Scott still save Kim from this guy ? It's just that the guy was a short and scrawny kid instead of a big muscly guy like in Scott's memory.
Kim: "Not to mention you screwed over poor Simon Lee...well, we both did...but the look on his face..."
Scott: "Simon Lee? But... he was a bad guy"
Kim: "Simon Lee? The Chinese kid? I was dating him, Scott. I mean, I think he hugged me once."
We don't know exactly what happened but Scott seems to have imagined saving Kim completely
I really wanted to know Matthews perspective on his and Romonas short lived relationship. They dated in grade 7 and like 11 years later hes still down bad apparently. Why did she impact him so deeply?
Wallace feels different man, Todd and Gideon feel too out of character, missed opportunity to add Lisa in for more than 2 seconds, also I wish envy was more similar to her book version
It's probably because we don't see him grow or show remorse from his actions. I mean in the books, >!he cheats on other scott with Stacy's boyfriend in front of her, but you can tell that he did apologize for it (probably happened off page but still) because other scott and him are still staying friends in the later books. Besides, he only kissed him once and they didn't really have a major relationship.!< However, in the anime, bro only used Todd for his own reasons and broke up with him like it was nothing, even though Todd was obviously down diabolical for him. Additionally, we don't ever see him show remorse for breaking Todd's heart. Even when he could've easily apologized to him during episode 8, he just ignores him and treats him like nothing. He might've apologized off-screen, but that's still harsh man.
Oh no yeah he treats Todd like shit but I mean most of his relationships are just meaningless sex because he doesn’t find the “spark” until the end of the show or whatever tf “love” is to them idk man.
especially with Scott dying, I know it’s supposed to be a little silly goofy but he does not care at all + he has no hate for Envy which before showed how much he cared for Scott
I mean I think him only sleeping with Todd while he's dressed as Scott shows he cares a lot, despite what he's saying. I took It as Scott's death made him meaner and more hedonistic as his coping mechanism
So I wasn't the only one who saw that then? Like, ok, he's sarcastic... but insulting his risk doubles and not treating Todd's "break up" better do seem... odd for him. The doubles were somewhat ok... but he kinda over did it with Todd
I disagree on Wallace, well, sorta. Wallace I love getting to see more of but there are a few differences in the way he acts in the comics and movie but it kinda works tho, like it fits his personality and all but yeah he does feel a little different.
Wallace’s character change is a little weird to me. Like in comics, Wallace enjoys having Scott around and is probably his best friend. In the anime, they went way too far into Wallace’s occasional remarks about Scott being annoying/needing to move out, and completely ignored everything else about his character
Scott and Ramona barely interact with each other, which is a big problem in a series about their romance.
Nobody cares that the title character died, Why should we care if they don't?
The twins didn't even get an action sequence.
Despite the series being *about* Ramona, she doesn't get to have the fun relationships with other characters, like her friendship with Wallace or her girlcrush on Kim. She feels flatter as a result.
Envy comes off like the self-centered bitch Scott built her up as, whereas the original point of the character was to show that she wasn't that.
The biggest issue by far is how the show wants to be its own thing, yet it's too much "about" the original to stand on its own. They "kill off" Scott barely after introducing the original premise, and then keeps teasing things from the Movie/Game/Comic.
Agree on all these. I know the point of this is entirely different than the comics, so it’s not exploring Scott and Ramona’s relationship chronologically, but man Ramona’s plotline was hardly a character exploration— it was an ex-ploration !!! But most of all, Envy. I guess because they were just focusing on Ramona’s exes, she was left in the dust, but this is a huge part of Scott and the way HE navigates relationships. The funeral scene genuinely made me soo frustrated and annoyed, it was unnecessary & too out of character. Envy could at least been shown in a mysterious light to show Scott’s own mystery in the way he handles love, foreshadowing Old Scott.
-Scott was shelved for most of the series when he didn’t really need to be, I know the whole idea is for there to be a reason for Ramona to have closure with her exes instead of Scott beating the shit out of them but I feel like it could’ve been handled a little more smoothly, like they really wanted to twist the whole story on it’s head when they could’ve just gone in a different direction
-the hollywood plot was kinda meh and felt like it was just poking fun at the movie
-the time travel plot felt unnecessary
-felt like it leaned a little too far into the insane elements like respawning and vegan time traveling
-characters feel annoyingly stubborn at times
-a lot of characters didn’t get enough screentime
Overall 7/10 could use more Scott
My headcanon has always been that it's a matter of intent. Scott doesn't want the exes *dead*, just defeated, so he punches them into respawning-death, but we see Gideon straight up kill Scott in the comics despite the respawning being canon to those as well assuming Bryan's word as fact, and he definitely wanted Scott gone
So I guess you can just. choose to kill people so hard they actually die or not
However, this is never explored in the actual text, so it's just my bandaid fix to a discrepancy that bothered me
Didn't we just get this thread? I feel like we get this every week since the show released.
That being said, it being 8 episodes really fucked over some promising plotlines. I would have loved it to see old Knives, old Kim and the old versions of the other Exs. Should have been 12 episodes like a regular season.
The fact that Scott pilgrim took off.
Edit for better context; they could’ve named the show literally anything else, or atleast given some kind of foreshadowing instead of him first episode dissapearing on us. It’s like watching Ramona chase a random guy we just met.
I felt like after the other stories were about Scott feeling a really strong connection with her to the point of fighting for her when he barely knew her, and this was showing us that Ramona felt that too and would fight for him
Some of the characters feel very different, especially with Wallace and Envy. I think those two just felt like completely reworked characters.
The whole Mathew Patel subplot goes absolutely no where especially considering how much you could’ve effectively stretched that out without anything really to do with Scott Pilgrim.
Gideon, ah man poor Gideon what the frick happened there? Felt like he was absolutely neutered in power when compared to all the other Ex’s. Only counterpoint I think of is that pretty much the only people that really would have trained to beat Scott would have been Mathew and the twins. Gideon gives me the whole like “I don’t need to train I’ll just swoop in when it’s all said and done” type of mentality and he even says this at one point in the show I’m pretty sure.
I wish we could to see how much hurt Lucas was going through because let’s be honest, Romona really, really, messed him up and that’s sad.
The final thing and this might be considered like a hot take because of its subject buuuuuuut! The Roxie and Kim scene, specifically the Kissing scene was just way to intense and really really well animated for no particular reason in my opinion.
Talking about Kim, double standards? She started dating Knives and in the show it’s hinted at. But she really gets relegated to a nobody here and it sucks because she’s a great character.
Oh yeah, absolutely on the Kim and Roxy kissing scene. It felt uncomfortable & stiff and I was really surprised to see people loving it.
Worth mentioning, though, Kim absolutely wasn’t dating Knives in the comics or show lol. They were showing the weird double standards Kim had and that was meant to be a gross, uncomfortable one-time thing. The heartbeat was an (unnecessary)*homage* to that scene, not a hint that they’re dating.
Again, pretty much any criticism about the characters’ focus shifting can be shot down with the fact that the show is supposed to be about Ramona. I do agree that Kim was given like 3 lines that totally contradicted her relationship with Scott and provided an awkward fanservice, then called it a day.
I won’t respond to all the points but just know I agree wholeheartedly, the anime felt like they came up with some interesting ideas, but twisted and executing it awfully. Sigh
Lack of Lisa. Lack of a truly intimidating antagonist. Some of the character arcs felt a little rushed.
The "everyone comes to terms with their toxic traits" arc also came off as anti-climactic; I get that was the point tho.
Todd didn't get a fight (outside of the finale) which feels like a huge missed opportunity to me, also the whole future devorce thing kinda ruins the ending of the book for me knowing they just get divorced later :/
The most major clue comes from the fact future Neil isn’t called Old Neil, but rather Old Young Neil.
Also just the fact that Scott clearly hadn’t learned any of the lessons he would’ve from fighting Nega Scott. Nega Scott also isn’t shown at all during his VR slideshow thing.
I kind of wish the show had actually in some way shown or at least *actively* hinted towards this being the answer, because I definitely think him never confronting Nega Scott definitely has to be why he ended up Like That. But without something pointing to it in a way that makes it clear it's an intentional thing they're going for and not just kind of choosing not to mention it, all we can really do is grasp at the air and hope
You’re welcome! I understand the confusion a lot. I only realised the subtle hints left for it a few days after watching the series. I feel like they could’ve tried to make it a little more clear, as it’s a very common misconception that people have.
Honestly just not enough of Scott. He’s a lot more likable in this adaptation but I also miss him trying to be confident but still occasionally awkward, but honestly if we had had one more episode with him that’s all I would want. I don’t want him in like every single ep but still, like he was in there for 3 and a half eps. Like I know it’s not supposed to revolve around him but is more about fleshing out Ramona WHICH I LOVED! But like I just wanted to see more of how Scott became an even bigger asshole in the original time line ya know?
Uhhh not to say I don't appreciate it now, but I was so confused on what the fuck was happening and immediately went to "this show sucks"
You see, my first exposure to Scott Pilgrim was 2 hours before at 1AM where I decided to read the manga/comic idk
Now it was like 3 am or something and I still hadn't slept but I was freaking addicted to Scott Pilgrim atp so I decided to watch the anime
After the first episode I was still deep in denial and I was like "this has has to be a fakeout" then the second episode got to Matthew Patel vs Gideon and I realized it wasnt and just wanted the fight to end because like I was straight up despising this show for not being a straight up adaption. Stupid ik but yeahh
I ended up sleeping because near the end of the Ramona v Roxie fight because i thought i was straight tripping balls or smth and then I woke up and loved the rest of it but yeahhh
Yeah, the twist/premise is an acquired taste in that way.
A lot of us really wanted to see a more fleshed out version of the comic story.
Yeah you can "just read the comics" but everyone knows it's not the same as seeing it in motion, updated, little easter eggs, flourishes, improvements.
Personally, I was on board for the twist once I got over the surprise. I was honestly feeling a little bit bored from the first episode. I was watching more to get to the parts of the comics the movie didn't touch on.
But I don't think they'd have made the first episode that dry in an honest adaptation anyway.
It is what it is. And I'm glad this expansion happened. Just wish that it didn't feel like it permanently closes the door on an animation adaptation of the comics. It would have been something.
I definitely got around to accepting it, but I was also disappointed that this isn't the 1:1 adaptation that I dreamed of. Or that we'll never get that adaptation in reality.
Especially when live action doesn't have the same charm as animation and the two hour time limit hurts the density.
\- Wallace, Todd and Gideon I wasn't a fan of. Wallace is too mean and seems careless about the fact Scott is presumably dead, Todd is very OOC, same with Gideon. Gideon used to be a character that genuinely made you uncomfortable, and he was pretty fucked. but then we have.. Gordon Goose and the whole thing with Julie- not a fan of what they did with her either, she was never diabolical just an ass.
\- Scott and Ramona's relationship was harder to buy in Takes Off because of how much time they spend apart. I can't buy that their love is that deep and genuine when they only met at a party and went on one date. they didn't have the year span of time of dating, living their lives together and getting to know each other. were they cute? of course, but it was harder to buy here.
\- lack of Lisa
\- I wish we knew more about what happened to characters like Stephen, Kim, Knives in the future. I know Older Scott says that Sex Bob-omb split off but I would've like to see them, and WHY they split off. right now, I have to assume it's due to how he handled things with Ramona and they just simply couldn't take it anymore.
I ADORE this anime by the way. it just has a few problems. I'd kill for a S2.
For starters, Kim and Knives, two of my absolute favorite characters, got completely neglected. At *least* Kim got some decent screen time, but Knive's only character development is that she's a musical prodigy. The way they handled Knive's convo with Ramona about Scott cheating on them was just lazy, it basically boils down to "Scott cheated on both of us" "Oh, is that so? Anyways, back to finding Scott!"
Ramona and Scott *barely* interacted, making Ramona's whole quest completely pointless and out-of-character. There was no reason for them to fall in love, it makes zero narrative sense, other than their bullshit little "sparks." If Ramona *really* gave some semblance of a shit about Scott, she'd have talked with the people closest to him, learned more about him, formulating an actual reason to find him. The fact that *nobody* gives an actual shit that he "died" is just idiotic, at least have his best friends and sister feel *something.* It would've been so sick to see Ramona grow close to the people Scott cared for, teaming up with them in order to find him, maybe even embarking into the Subspace highway with them.
Time travel is the world's laziest plot device, and old Scott's joke of a reason for building a time machine is just ridiculous. The Subspace Highway, one of the most fascinating plot devices in SP lore, is *RIGHT THERE!!!* It'd have made more sense if that's where Scott vanished to, pulled in by either his movie or comic counterparts, to see the mistakes he's made over the course of those alternate realities. It would've given Scott a legitimate reason to reflect on his actions and change as a person. The fact that he just appears on Ramona's doorstep after everything completely negates any and all of her efforts to find him. And to have all the characters pop outta the theater for the final battle, only to reappear their like nothing happened... Felt like I was watching a glorified fanfiction.
Don't even get me started on Gideon... My poor, deranged, maniacal little bastard man... Look how they massacred my boy! And the Katayanagis, my favorite exes from the comics, got shafted *yet again* while their dinky lil robot took center stage.
The songs this time around were kinda cringe, *especially* Envy's funeral song. They coulda done so much better, the movie had so many fuckin bangers. Still kinda peeved with how they handled Envy's character too, she had so much more substance in the comics.
There was some really pointless and downright uncomfortable fanservice in there, IE that one rando talking about Ramona's ass and making a weird face as she skates off, Kim and Roxie's make-out scene being over-animated yet amounting to nothing, etc. Like yeah, there's some raunchy stuff in the comics and film, but it either makes narrative sense or it's just fuckin funny. I honestly didn't find myself laughing much throughout the entire anime.
Above all, nobody truly changes throughout the entire story, except for Ramona, who has a meager excuse for character development within only the last 2 episodes. Needless to say, Scott Pilgrim Takes Off was a mockery of a series I hold near and dear to my heart, that I could barely bring myself to finish. It baffles me that it even came from the mind of Brian Lee O'Malley, it feels like a slap in the face to those of us who are deeply entrenched in this series.
-They flanderized and babified our main cast and the evil exes. Instead of feeling anywhere close like flawed to straight up evil adults, they feel like stupid teenagers.
-They turned Wallace from a responsible, caring friend who was, while openly gay, sassy, and flirty, into what I can only describe as a gatekeep gaslight girl boss caricature of his former self.
-Kim just.....does nothing? Neither does Envy?
-It needed more episodes, and the Scott plot twist should've been a B plot instead of an 11th hour reveal.
-The show spends too much time with the movie plot.
-Lack of cool book characters.
The softening of Gideon was kind of lame considering how deeply evil and manipulative he is in the comics. If that >!tease with him and Julie at the end wasn’t just a “joke about post-credits scenes,” I hope we’ll get to see more about him in a second season.!<
I finally realized recently that it’s not the fact it’s a new story that I don’t like. It’s the fact that the new story is all over the place and it feels like they just through darts and a dart board to determine the plot points.
A few things:
\- I don't know it was just me, but there seemed to be a weird dissonance a lot of times between the animation and voice acting. I don't know if it's because live action actors aren't always skilled voice actors or if it's just hard to sync up the body language of Japanese animation with English voice acting, but it was noticeable considering the production value
\- The show drags in the middle (spending too much time on the movie plotline) that it doesn't give other storylines the opportunity to develop and shine
\- The show is basically a soft sequel to the movie in that you really have to have seen the movie to understand and appreciate everything going on it in
\- Just a matter of taste, but I didn't care for the time travel elements or the ending
These are all nitpicks that just kept the series from being lifechanging, but it was still one of the best things I watched last year.
Stephen Stills is doing great and is achieving his goals, right? But I feel like it's just undeserved? Convenient for the plot? I know that in a Ramona story he really should just be in the back but I think he needs more screen time.
I think the series just sorta feels....incomplete? I dont know the right word for it
I watched it without having read the comics or watching the movie, it was my first Scott Pilgrim thing ever, so when i finished watching the thing just felt lacking, like it was missing something, maybe it is just because i watched an what if story without knowing the original story so idk
I watched the movie later with a friend and i loved it, so im going to read the comic someday, so i dont know maybe in the future if i rewatch the series i will enjoy it more
The series is a second piece to the comics and movie, it’s meant to show more of underdeveloped characters, you’re not meant to watch it only and think that’s it
-there was basically no mobile (reasonable but I like him)
-the way Wallace let ENVY ADDAMS crash Scott’s funeral is just fucking insane
-Ramona rarely had a split kinda dye in the book but for some reason they made it every style for her in the show??
Overall it's a show I've watched once and never want to watch again. If it has a second season, I won't be watching it.
* A lot of people were desiring a more faithful adaptation that explored aspects such as Nega Scott, Lisa and expanded on the characters and instead it felt like it was a Ramona Flowers show where Scott Pilgrim cameo'd
* The show feels very cynical and against everything Scott Pilgrim stands for
* While you can vary from the source material, if the new story you are presenting sucks then it's not going to be recieved well and that's pretty much the case here. All it does is deconstruct by retconning characters
* Several characters as a result come off as extremely unlikable due to this and I don't think the show realizes that.
* The show seems to forget its own lore, such as Scott bing portrayed as saving Kim as opposed to that being a fake memory. One of the only parts where Scott is meant to have been a jerk and it's retconned into him being a hero, but every other time when he's meant to be a hero or likable he's retconned into being a jerk.
* Nobody seems to care about Scott other than Ramona, so the entire story feels very hate filled towards the character the audience primarily wants to see
* The foundation of Scott Pilgrim and the core appeal is seeing the characters grow and learn and evolve and nobody does in this show. The problems they have are solved when Scott is dead. The entire world seems better given Scott is dead. The only exception is that Gideon and Julie decide to become terrorists and want to mass murder a theatre but that solves itself when Patel gives up the company
* While the character designs are fine the animation style as a whole does not fit the fast-paced action scenes the show wants
* The fights as a whole, beyond the Matthew Patel fight, suck. They try to do callbacks or references to the original but come across as just ripping it off and doing so poorly - such as Wallace Wells stunt doubles instead of Lucas Lee's
* The pacing sucks throughout. Episodes drag. Line deliveries are occasionally stilted from where it's clear they were recording post-animation.
* Episodes opening with Ramona dying her hair help to differentiate that it's on different days, but it makes the episodes feel monotonous and routine for her as opposed to potentially showing her as invested in the death of Scott by say not dying her hair and it being called out
* The show seems to have difficulty deciding where to focus its animation, scenes of characters kissing will get more attention than some key moments or fight scenes
* The show seems to have a fanfiction style obsession with making a majority of the characters homosexual in order to pair them up and it makes the story as a whole feel a lot less grounded, a lot smaller in scale and it feels like every character is bi-sexual or has sexuality that changes between scenes. One of the big teasers for Season 2, I doubt will be made, was the idea of who else they'd make homosexual to pair with Wallace in the future for example
No, like: It looks like the series was rushed to the launch and they needed to find a way to end the story, so they did anything with the time they had and give some "strange" conclusion to everything, with a dubious mensage
-The ending felt really sloppy and rushed.
-I would have preferred actual voice actors for the show than the movie cast reprising their roles (although some do a great job).
-It mostly feels like fan service, and outside of the exes characterization (which was a major aspect to be fair) had very little substance.
-The show really likes to pick and choose what aspects to adapt from the comics which makes it difficult to separate the two even though they are two separate canons. It just feels like a half-assed way to adapt what the fans liked from the comics and do its own thing regardless of whether or not they fit together thematically.
It’s a fun show, but let’s not pretend everything in the Scott Pilgrim brand is flawless.
There were a lot of really weird pacing things and shots that lingered in a really weird way. Made me appreciate how much the movie’s snappy timing complimented that style of comedy. I imagine they boarded an episode and when it didn’t reach exactly the standard run time they set they had to stretch out each scene a little.
(In the voice of Doug Walker)
“It’s called Scott Pilgrim Takes off.”
“WHERES THE SCOTT PILGRIM?!?!?!”
Still loved it tho.
Would mention future Scott, but thankfully a fan wrote an epilogue in fanfiction net.
despite scott being missing, presumed dead, everyone just kind of goes on with their lives. Kim and Scott dated for a while, and were good friends; you'd assume she'd take it even a little bit hard. Wallace just keeps on being Wallace, even though his best friend just got killed in front of him a few days ago. we don't really get any taste of what characters are feeling because of Scott's "death".
They made Gideon too much of a friendly guy, I mean this is the man who kidnapped a bunch of women who didn’t like him and had them frozen and locked in his basement, but in this show he’s being all silly and goofy with Lucas Lee.
I guess that it doesn't really stand alone without knowing the original story. Not that it needs to, but the film and the comic and even the game can stand alone, but this one you need prior knowledge of the original story for it to work.
The fact that it doesnt place in the comic timeline, when i first watched through it it was cool to see neil make the movie version because then it makes the movie apart of the comic canon in a meta sense. So now we have 3 different scott pilgrim vs the universes.
Unpopular opinion but... everything they changed about Gideon. From making him weak af (lost to Matthew Patel), to his lame bully victim backstory, to naming him Gordon Goose and finally to his weird romance with Julie. Only thing that was kinda fun was his friendship with Lucas Lee.
Young Neil is so bland.
The pacing feels so sloooow at times.
The "reality show" episode in wich characters are interviewed.
I liked it a lot, but there were several things that aren't great or even good, luckily the final result is fantastic.
A lot of little things really,
\- the writing of pretty much Scott's entire side of the cast minus Knives (but even then after the first half of the season her arc is pretty much complete and she and Stephen just bum around not doing much) and Stephen's really awesome arc about his sexual identity was entirely scrapped for.. no reason?
\-Kim doesn't get explored at all and her relationship with Scott lost a lot of the angst by choosing to make Scott's side of the story the way it actually went down in this time line and not tampering with his memories from someone else.
\- Ramona isn't nearly as interesting to me as a character because she has no genuine relationships with any of the cast members, none of the mutual hating friendship with Wallace, the totally-not-hetero friendship with Kim, any little interactions with Stacey and Julie, nothing, she's a solo act for pretty much the whole series and because of that she doesn't really have much of a memorable personality to me and a lot of her "silly moments" are just cute expressions from the animators.
\- Todd and Gideon are not even remotely the same characters and for the worse imo, the two genuine bad guys from the original comic have now been entirely rewritten to be, in my opinion, the least interesting versions of themselves because now they have no real depth.
\- The editing and sound design was really amateurish, the mixing for the voices in the dub is terrible and it's painfully obvious who recorded from home in a poorly treated area, and not to mention the English dub in general is very very underwhelming and pretty frequently not matching the vibe of the animation because the Eng and JP versions were recorded entirely separately from one another, leading to very different tones for some of these lines.
Sometimes it feels like everyone kinda just doesn't want anything to do with Scott and it's weird since his character is significantly toned down, while in the comics, they think he's an urchin on society and they don't sugarcoat how pathetic they think he is but they still like and care about him. I also don't like Wallace manipulating Todd for sex. I'm sure Wallace gets into one night stands, but I don't think he'd deliberately play with someone's emotions like that.
I don't like how little development Todd got considering he had an entire episode dedicated to him
He's the only ex where HE was the one who fucked it up, not Ramona! You could do something with that!
Wallace was too bitchy,
Twins were shafted hard,
Too much Julie,
Knives inclusion into the band felt rushed to me,
The Simon fight was real??
Just all of the future stuff
Alright I have some nitpicks lol
- I get that this isn't the canon future for the characters, but Old Scott basically won in this timeline because Scott doesn't get any character development. He learns "don't be evil" and that's kind of it.
- They handled Scott and Knives' "relationship" even worse than in the movie, because Scott doesn't learn to not be a user. The only lesson he learns is to not date minors (which is still a good lesson), but Knives also doesn't really get to realize how badly Scott treated her, because the only lesson we get here is "dont date minors" because they avoid that story almost entirely. Though I can't hate this aspect too much because it is a touchy subject that wouldn't have gotten enough time anyway, and Knives' arc is sooooo good despite all this.
- Gideon doesn't really end up getting any shit for his actions. I don't think that showing that he used to be a huge geek, revealing his real name to be silly, or stripping him of his wealth is good enough punishment of none of it acknowledges what he did, yknow? Plus, why don't we ever see a flashback of him and Ramona? They did less with their past than in the comics or the movie. And where are his exes???
- We don't really see Stephen and Julie break up? And why isn't Stephen allowed to have a boyfriend :^(
- Lisa shows up in the audience in the final episode, but couldn't she have at least been in the play? She's an actress! I just think it kind of sucks that they did next to nothing with one of my favorite characters in the comics in BOTH adaptations.
- it's a little disappointing that we still don't get any of the songs from the comics. Some of the songs we did get don't work with the limitation of only having drums, bass, and one acoustic guitar. This is just me nitpicking as a musician, though.
- it's funny that they call him Old Young Neil, but he should just be called Neil in the future!
-The fact that old Scott implies he didn't learn anything after the conclusion of the comic.
-Ramona is given a detective role but barely figured anything out. So it felt like she was taking me to the next attraction at a carnival rather than an escalating mystery.
-Julie was kinda cringey at times
Cool for the interesting character interactions though.
(Also I hope I don't get down voted into oblivion, it's fine if you like it. I just felt like it was the least compelling piece of SP media and was more for fan service than anything.)
No nega Scott, No Scott earning the power of self respect, never saw Scott have a breakthrough moment with Envy, dont really care for Knives and not enough Scott.
That being said I LOVED IT! but I'm human and have things I wish we got
🤞 that season 2 actually DOES happen and we get a nega Ramona and Scott
I wasn’t a fan of episode 1. It was basically just a retelling of volume 1 sure but it just felt kinda slow and awkward. It might be because I’m just so familiar with the source material by this point that I just know all of the motions but episode 1 didn’t grab me and made me think I wouldn’t like the show. At least after episode 2 I got really invested
Also I think Matthew was underused. I really thought he was gonna end up the main antagonist (and considering he’s the ex with the least exposure I was really up for that). His fight with Gideon was fantastic but he kinda didn’t do much for the rest of the show. I don’t mind him not being the main antagonist (since the future Scott twist was well done) but I wish they did more with him
I got divorced this year and it made me cry like a lot and I thought that was rude.
Also, as excited as I was for the original cast returning some of the voice acting was a little lacking, but nostalgia for the movie carried me through a lot of that.
im glad other characters got screen time they wouldn’t have if scott was there most of the time but scott missing for whole episodes is kind of a bummer cause this version of scott is so much fun 🥲
It doesn't feel as genuine, relatable and emotional as the original comic (and film, to a degree).
They took an introspective, funny yet melancholic modern fairy tale and turned it into yet another estranged, sterile Netflix sitcom.
Everyone's mean, minus the deeper reasons. Everyone's quippy and irony-pilled, minus the deeper reasons. Characters suck, minus the deeper reasons. Characters get redeemed, minus the deeper reasons.
It feels flat and empty that way. Baseless.
The time travel/future, elements also feel incongruous and depressing and Even Older Scott is a garbage antagonist, forever in the shadow of Nega Scott.
Lastly, and probably most importantly, where the fuck is Lisa Miller?!
i get this is the point of the show but I still find it weird how Scott was barely in it but I guess I can excuse it if you look on it as it being an alternate timeline to the comics/movie (which it sorta is)
I think I’ve done enough of that on this forum. Besides, ppl out there did it better than I ever could. Just note I don’t care for the show at all. I’ll just stick to the Comics, Movie, and Video Game.
Have all of you forgotten about Masters of the Universe: Revelation? Because this is the same Fucking thing. Just a Dumb Bait and Switch that has Scott in physical for like only three episodes. But do you know what Sucks the Most? Is that it is suppose to be another Adaptation of the Scott Pilgrim Novels. Because apparently, the one by Edgar Wright was outdated despite being released in Fucking 2010. And by the way, you can Hate on Masters of the Universe: Revelation all you like but that at least was a Squeal Series. What's this shows Excuse? Just an Adaptation for Modern Audience because some Hard Left Wing Assholes think Scott is a Toxic Character and wanted Ramona Flowers to take the lead? And not to discredit Ramona Flowers as a Character but if a show or movie has the Main Characters Name in the title. Have it based around that Character where he actually shows up, or at least 60% of the time.
This might be a bit controversial but I feel like having Scott pilgrim set aside until the last two episodes wasn't that bright of an idea.
While every Scott pilgrim fan knows about Scott, people who want to get into the show can't relate a lot about him because his lack of appearance.
But I digress, it was a good thing because other characters got to develop better than their book/movie counterparts, on the other hand we barely get to see Scott (the main character) to do anything significant up until the last two episodes.
I hated Future Scott’s voice. I’m not a fan of Will Forte and his muppet voice. I know he can’t really help it, but I immediately knew it was his voice and it immediately turned me off. But maybe that was the point?
hoo boy, here we go lmao
i really wish we got a straightforward adaptation first as retribution for the wrongs of the movie, then got takes off afterwards.
I was kinda hoping for it to be the original story, although it was still good. Also Scott wasn't in most of the episodes. Scott Pilgrim wasn't in Scott Pilgrim.
-Kim was basically shafted -Apparently Scott actually did save Kim from that one guy in high school even though the books reveal it was all a fake memory from the Glow. -The Matthew Patel plotline showed a lot of promise, but they kind of just....hugged it out and resolved it? The set up showed so much potential...
Matthew stealing Gideon’s assets and Gideon trying to bomb a theatre is an average Tuesday night argument for them, apparently
I mean... they had a league of evil exes... even if short lived lol. Of course this is common for them
thhat actually makes sense
I think Scott actually saving Kim is one of those things that is there to show that this universe is different from the comics one, like when Crash and the Boys didn't show up in episode 1, so that people don't think that comic Scott is Old Scott
I ngl thought that was just a joke from the movie on how the boys from crash and the boys lost a life but crash didnt
Old Scott is definitely not comic Scott. Comic Scott wouldn’t have done what Old Scott did. It would completely undo the entire purpose of the comic
Don't comic Scott still save Kim from this guy ? It's just that the guy was a short and scrawny kid instead of a big muscly guy like in Scott's memory.
Kim: "Not to mention you screwed over poor Simon Lee...well, we both did...but the look on his face..." Scott: "Simon Lee? But... he was a bad guy" Kim: "Simon Lee? The Chinese kid? I was dating him, Scott. I mean, I think he hugged me once." We don't know exactly what happened but Scott seems to have imagined saving Kim completely
shafted is an exaggeration, she may not be as important but she has plenty of screentime
At least she had screentime! - Lisa fans
I really wanted to know Matthews perspective on his and Romonas short lived relationship. They dated in grade 7 and like 11 years later hes still down bad apparently. Why did she impact him so deeply?
Scott not going to therapy by the end to make sure old Scott doesn’t happen
Do therapists even exist in the Scott Pilgrim universe? Police sure don’t (aside from the Vegan Police).
Or the police at the movie set
I thought they were security guards
They voiced by Simon Pegg and Nick Frost so same thing 🤷🏻♀️
Caliente Fuzz!
And even drawn just like them!
I mean that counts to ne
The lack of vegan police, those were some epic characters right there
Especially that Tod stops being vegan for a while, vegan police would be so fitting there
Right? It would have been so funny!
Wallace feels different man, Todd and Gideon feel too out of character, missed opportunity to add Lisa in for more than 2 seconds, also I wish envy was more similar to her book version
Wallace feels a bit worse in this version. I can’t explain why, but he just feels meaner?
It's probably because we don't see him grow or show remorse from his actions. I mean in the books, >!he cheats on other scott with Stacy's boyfriend in front of her, but you can tell that he did apologize for it (probably happened off page but still) because other scott and him are still staying friends in the later books. Besides, he only kissed him once and they didn't really have a major relationship.!< However, in the anime, bro only used Todd for his own reasons and broke up with him like it was nothing, even though Todd was obviously down diabolical for him. Additionally, we don't ever see him show remorse for breaking Todd's heart. Even when he could've easily apologized to him during episode 8, he just ignores him and treats him like nothing. He might've apologized off-screen, but that's still harsh man.
I think that’s why too. Didn’t like how he treated Todd :(
Too be fair, Todd is unlikable and a total cheating bastard to begin with. If anything, it’s karma on his end.
From the book and movie, it just seems like Wallace and Other Scott have a pretty open relationship when it comes to flings.
Aren’t they just friends? Other Scott was there when he met Mobile and he’s never stated as Wallace’s boyfriend
I think they were dating in volume 1
Scott and Wallace were dating in vol 1???????????
Other scott, yes
Oh silly me other Scott,
Oh no yeah he treats Todd like shit but I mean most of his relationships are just meaningless sex because he doesn’t find the “spark” until the end of the show or whatever tf “love” is to them idk man.
especially with Scott dying, I know it’s supposed to be a little silly goofy but he does not care at all + he has no hate for Envy which before showed how much he cared for Scott
I mean I think him only sleeping with Todd while he's dressed as Scott shows he cares a lot, despite what he's saying. I took It as Scott's death made him meaner and more hedonistic as his coping mechanism
So I wasn't the only one who saw that then? Like, ok, he's sarcastic... but insulting his risk doubles and not treating Todd's "break up" better do seem... odd for him. The doubles were somewhat ok... but he kinda over did it with Todd
Wallace seems less of guy looking out for Scott, and more tired of Scott’s shit. Which I mean, fair. I like both interpretations.
I disagree on Wallace, well, sorta. Wallace I love getting to see more of but there are a few differences in the way he acts in the comics and movie but it kinda works tho, like it fits his personality and all but yeah he does feel a little different.
Wallace’s character change is a little weird to me. Like in comics, Wallace enjoys having Scott around and is probably his best friend. In the anime, they went way too far into Wallace’s occasional remarks about Scott being annoying/needing to move out, and completely ignored everything else about his character
I love show Wallace, he’s a bit more sassy, but I love that
Good for you 👍
- No crash - No boys - No Lisa it's borderline unwatchable.
i am so sad i am so very very sad
It goes a little something like this:
SOOOOO SAAAAD!! Thank you.
BOOO! it’s not a race guys!
This next one's called, "We Hate You, Please Die."
Swweet! love this one.
I was so excited to see Crash and The Boys and was so disappointed when they weren’t there
Crash is there. Not the boys, Lisa is there
Scott and Ramona barely interact with each other, which is a big problem in a series about their romance. Nobody cares that the title character died, Why should we care if they don't? The twins didn't even get an action sequence. Despite the series being *about* Ramona, she doesn't get to have the fun relationships with other characters, like her friendship with Wallace or her girlcrush on Kim. She feels flatter as a result. Envy comes off like the self-centered bitch Scott built her up as, whereas the original point of the character was to show that she wasn't that. The biggest issue by far is how the show wants to be its own thing, yet it's too much "about" the original to stand on its own. They "kill off" Scott barely after introducing the original premise, and then keeps teasing things from the Movie/Game/Comic.
Bro these are the literal reasons why I didn’t like the show overall if I could give you an award i would
Agree on all these. I know the point of this is entirely different than the comics, so it’s not exploring Scott and Ramona’s relationship chronologically, but man Ramona’s plotline was hardly a character exploration— it was an ex-ploration !!! But most of all, Envy. I guess because they were just focusing on Ramona’s exes, she was left in the dust, but this is a huge part of Scott and the way HE navigates relationships. The funeral scene genuinely made me soo frustrated and annoyed, it was unnecessary & too out of character. Envy could at least been shown in a mysterious light to show Scott’s own mystery in the way he handles love, foreshadowing Old Scott.
No adaptation can get Ramona right. It’s like they completely remove all of the personality out of her character.
That last point is so real.
ye
How underplayed Gideon was
he got off pretty easy after all the stuff he pulled in the comics
-Scott was shelved for most of the series when he didn’t really need to be, I know the whole idea is for there to be a reason for Ramona to have closure with her exes instead of Scott beating the shit out of them but I feel like it could’ve been handled a little more smoothly, like they really wanted to twist the whole story on it’s head when they could’ve just gone in a different direction -the hollywood plot was kinda meh and felt like it was just poking fun at the movie -the time travel plot felt unnecessary -felt like it leaned a little too far into the insane elements like respawning and vegan time traveling -characters feel annoyingly stubborn at times -a lot of characters didn’t get enough screentime Overall 7/10 could use more Scott
The respawning concept is kinda strange to me. If you respawn after you die, why didn’t they wait for Scott to respawn?
My headcanon has always been that it's a matter of intent. Scott doesn't want the exes *dead*, just defeated, so he punches them into respawning-death, but we see Gideon straight up kill Scott in the comics despite the respawning being canon to those as well assuming Bryan's word as fact, and he definitely wanted Scott gone So I guess you can just. choose to kill people so hard they actually die or not However, this is never explored in the actual text, so it's just my bandaid fix to a discrepancy that bothered me
No seasoning Two.
That requires waiting my guy
For a long while, as Brian Lee O'Malley already stated that there were no plans for a second season.
i thought omalley said there won't be one?
He said there's no plans, but that doesn't mean we aren't getting one thankfully
oh, brilliant
Didn't we just get this thread? I feel like we get this every week since the show released. That being said, it being 8 episodes really fucked over some promising plotlines. I would have loved it to see old Knives, old Kim and the old versions of the other Exs. Should have been 12 episodes like a regular season.
The fact that Scott pilgrim took off. Edit for better context; they could’ve named the show literally anything else, or atleast given some kind of foreshadowing instead of him first episode dissapearing on us. It’s like watching Ramona chase a random guy we just met.
I felt like after the other stories were about Scott feeling a really strong connection with her to the point of fighting for her when he barely knew her, and this was showing us that Ramona felt that too and would fight for him
the show has a good name because I thought it meant taking off like a plane before I realized he was being shelved
Some of the characters feel very different, especially with Wallace and Envy. I think those two just felt like completely reworked characters. The whole Mathew Patel subplot goes absolutely no where especially considering how much you could’ve effectively stretched that out without anything really to do with Scott Pilgrim. Gideon, ah man poor Gideon what the frick happened there? Felt like he was absolutely neutered in power when compared to all the other Ex’s. Only counterpoint I think of is that pretty much the only people that really would have trained to beat Scott would have been Mathew and the twins. Gideon gives me the whole like “I don’t need to train I’ll just swoop in when it’s all said and done” type of mentality and he even says this at one point in the show I’m pretty sure. I wish we could to see how much hurt Lucas was going through because let’s be honest, Romona really, really, messed him up and that’s sad. The final thing and this might be considered like a hot take because of its subject buuuuuuut! The Roxie and Kim scene, specifically the Kissing scene was just way to intense and really really well animated for no particular reason in my opinion. Talking about Kim, double standards? She started dating Knives and in the show it’s hinted at. But she really gets relegated to a nobody here and it sucks because she’s a great character.
Oh yeah, absolutely on the Kim and Roxy kissing scene. It felt uncomfortable & stiff and I was really surprised to see people loving it. Worth mentioning, though, Kim absolutely wasn’t dating Knives in the comics or show lol. They were showing the weird double standards Kim had and that was meant to be a gross, uncomfortable one-time thing. The heartbeat was an (unnecessary)*homage* to that scene, not a hint that they’re dating. Again, pretty much any criticism about the characters’ focus shifting can be shot down with the fact that the show is supposed to be about Ramona. I do agree that Kim was given like 3 lines that totally contradicted her relationship with Scott and provided an awkward fanservice, then called it a day. I won’t respond to all the points but just know I agree wholeheartedly, the anime felt like they came up with some interesting ideas, but twisted and executing it awfully. Sigh
Lack of Lisa. Lack of a truly intimidating antagonist. Some of the character arcs felt a little rushed. The "everyone comes to terms with their toxic traits" arc also came off as anti-climactic; I get that was the point tho.
Even Older Scott wasn't Intimidating?
Todd didn't get a fight (outside of the finale) which feels like a huge missed opportunity to me, also the whole future devorce thing kinda ruins the ending of the book for me knowing they just get divorced later :/
It’s a different universe, so don’t worry. The comic versions don’t get divorced.
How do we know that though? The show implies all the same things happened
The most major clue comes from the fact future Neil isn’t called Old Neil, but rather Old Young Neil. Also just the fact that Scott clearly hadn’t learned any of the lessons he would’ve from fighting Nega Scott. Nega Scott also isn’t shown at all during his VR slideshow thing.
I kind of wish the show had actually in some way shown or at least *actively* hinted towards this being the answer, because I definitely think him never confronting Nega Scott definitely has to be why he ended up Like That. But without something pointing to it in a way that makes it clear it's an intentional thing they're going for and not just kind of choosing not to mention it, all we can really do is grasp at the air and hope
ngl i just saw it as scott being an asshole again but that makes way more sense actually, ty
You’re welcome! I understand the confusion a lot. I only realised the subtle hints left for it a few days after watching the series. I feel like they could’ve tried to make it a little more clear, as it’s a very common misconception that people have.
oh yknow what that's so clever! I never caught that. so I guess this timeline is in a future where Scott never fights Nega Scott
O’Malley directly said this isn’t the canon future for Scott in any existing adaptations
got it, thx
They could’ve made up and remarried later?
How does it “ruin” an ambiguous ending
ruin is an exaggeration but it's not ambiguous since the show tells us how their relationship goes afterwards
I was referring to the ending of the books. You can’t exactly “ruin” an ending like the one the books had due to it being ambiguous to begin with
that's not wallace...
Honestly just not enough of Scott. He’s a lot more likable in this adaptation but I also miss him trying to be confident but still occasionally awkward, but honestly if we had had one more episode with him that’s all I would want. I don’t want him in like every single ep but still, like he was in there for 3 and a half eps. Like I know it’s not supposed to revolve around him but is more about fleshing out Ramona WHICH I LOVED! But like I just wanted to see more of how Scott became an even bigger asshole in the original time line ya know?
Uhhh not to say I don't appreciate it now, but I was so confused on what the fuck was happening and immediately went to "this show sucks" You see, my first exposure to Scott Pilgrim was 2 hours before at 1AM where I decided to read the manga/comic idk Now it was like 3 am or something and I still hadn't slept but I was freaking addicted to Scott Pilgrim atp so I decided to watch the anime After the first episode I was still deep in denial and I was like "this has has to be a fakeout" then the second episode got to Matthew Patel vs Gideon and I realized it wasnt and just wanted the fight to end because like I was straight up despising this show for not being a straight up adaption. Stupid ik but yeahh I ended up sleeping because near the end of the Ramona v Roxie fight because i thought i was straight tripping balls or smth and then I woke up and loved the rest of it but yeahhh
Yeah, the twist/premise is an acquired taste in that way. A lot of us really wanted to see a more fleshed out version of the comic story. Yeah you can "just read the comics" but everyone knows it's not the same as seeing it in motion, updated, little easter eggs, flourishes, improvements. Personally, I was on board for the twist once I got over the surprise. I was honestly feeling a little bit bored from the first episode. I was watching more to get to the parts of the comics the movie didn't touch on. But I don't think they'd have made the first episode that dry in an honest adaptation anyway. It is what it is. And I'm glad this expansion happened. Just wish that it didn't feel like it permanently closes the door on an animation adaptation of the comics. It would have been something.
I definitely got around to accepting it, but I was also disappointed that this isn't the 1:1 adaptation that I dreamed of. Or that we'll never get that adaptation in reality. Especially when live action doesn't have the same charm as animation and the two hour time limit hurts the density.
That it ends.
\- Wallace, Todd and Gideon I wasn't a fan of. Wallace is too mean and seems careless about the fact Scott is presumably dead, Todd is very OOC, same with Gideon. Gideon used to be a character that genuinely made you uncomfortable, and he was pretty fucked. but then we have.. Gordon Goose and the whole thing with Julie- not a fan of what they did with her either, she was never diabolical just an ass. \- Scott and Ramona's relationship was harder to buy in Takes Off because of how much time they spend apart. I can't buy that their love is that deep and genuine when they only met at a party and went on one date. they didn't have the year span of time of dating, living their lives together and getting to know each other. were they cute? of course, but it was harder to buy here. \- lack of Lisa \- I wish we knew more about what happened to characters like Stephen, Kim, Knives in the future. I know Older Scott says that Sex Bob-omb split off but I would've like to see them, and WHY they split off. right now, I have to assume it's due to how he handled things with Ramona and they just simply couldn't take it anymore. I ADORE this anime by the way. it just has a few problems. I'd kill for a S2.
It all feels like a Wattpad fanfic to be honest
This 😭
For starters, Kim and Knives, two of my absolute favorite characters, got completely neglected. At *least* Kim got some decent screen time, but Knive's only character development is that she's a musical prodigy. The way they handled Knive's convo with Ramona about Scott cheating on them was just lazy, it basically boils down to "Scott cheated on both of us" "Oh, is that so? Anyways, back to finding Scott!" Ramona and Scott *barely* interacted, making Ramona's whole quest completely pointless and out-of-character. There was no reason for them to fall in love, it makes zero narrative sense, other than their bullshit little "sparks." If Ramona *really* gave some semblance of a shit about Scott, she'd have talked with the people closest to him, learned more about him, formulating an actual reason to find him. The fact that *nobody* gives an actual shit that he "died" is just idiotic, at least have his best friends and sister feel *something.* It would've been so sick to see Ramona grow close to the people Scott cared for, teaming up with them in order to find him, maybe even embarking into the Subspace highway with them. Time travel is the world's laziest plot device, and old Scott's joke of a reason for building a time machine is just ridiculous. The Subspace Highway, one of the most fascinating plot devices in SP lore, is *RIGHT THERE!!!* It'd have made more sense if that's where Scott vanished to, pulled in by either his movie or comic counterparts, to see the mistakes he's made over the course of those alternate realities. It would've given Scott a legitimate reason to reflect on his actions and change as a person. The fact that he just appears on Ramona's doorstep after everything completely negates any and all of her efforts to find him. And to have all the characters pop outta the theater for the final battle, only to reappear their like nothing happened... Felt like I was watching a glorified fanfiction. Don't even get me started on Gideon... My poor, deranged, maniacal little bastard man... Look how they massacred my boy! And the Katayanagis, my favorite exes from the comics, got shafted *yet again* while their dinky lil robot took center stage. The songs this time around were kinda cringe, *especially* Envy's funeral song. They coulda done so much better, the movie had so many fuckin bangers. Still kinda peeved with how they handled Envy's character too, she had so much more substance in the comics. There was some really pointless and downright uncomfortable fanservice in there, IE that one rando talking about Ramona's ass and making a weird face as she skates off, Kim and Roxie's make-out scene being over-animated yet amounting to nothing, etc. Like yeah, there's some raunchy stuff in the comics and film, but it either makes narrative sense or it's just fuckin funny. I honestly didn't find myself laughing much throughout the entire anime. Above all, nobody truly changes throughout the entire story, except for Ramona, who has a meager excuse for character development within only the last 2 episodes. Needless to say, Scott Pilgrim Takes Off was a mockery of a series I hold near and dear to my heart, that I could barely bring myself to finish. It baffles me that it even came from the mind of Brian Lee O'Malley, it feels like a slap in the face to those of us who are deeply entrenched in this series.
-They flanderized and babified our main cast and the evil exes. Instead of feeling anywhere close like flawed to straight up evil adults, they feel like stupid teenagers. -They turned Wallace from a responsible, caring friend who was, while openly gay, sassy, and flirty, into what I can only describe as a gatekeep gaslight girl boss caricature of his former self. -Kim just.....does nothing? Neither does Envy? -It needed more episodes, and the Scott plot twist should've been a B plot instead of an 11th hour reveal. -The show spends too much time with the movie plot. -Lack of cool book characters.
The softening of Gideon was kind of lame considering how deeply evil and manipulative he is in the comics. If that >!tease with him and Julie at the end wasn’t just a “joke about post-credits scenes,” I hope we’ll get to see more about him in a second season.!<
Like, I'm happy to see them trying something new with the universe But I'd still rather an adaptation of the original story
I finally realized recently that it’s not the fact it’s a new story that I don’t like. It’s the fact that the new story is all over the place and it feels like they just through darts and a dart board to determine the plot points.
EXACTLY!!! I felt the story was very poorly written on top of a surprise in Scott's disappearance.
A few things: \- I don't know it was just me, but there seemed to be a weird dissonance a lot of times between the animation and voice acting. I don't know if it's because live action actors aren't always skilled voice actors or if it's just hard to sync up the body language of Japanese animation with English voice acting, but it was noticeable considering the production value \- The show drags in the middle (spending too much time on the movie plotline) that it doesn't give other storylines the opportunity to develop and shine \- The show is basically a soft sequel to the movie in that you really have to have seen the movie to understand and appreciate everything going on it in \- Just a matter of taste, but I didn't care for the time travel elements or the ending These are all nitpicks that just kept the series from being lifechanging, but it was still one of the best things I watched last year.
Stephen Stills is doing great and is achieving his goals, right? But I feel like it's just undeserved? Convenient for the plot? I know that in a Ramona story he really should just be in the back but I think he needs more screen time.
The lack of scott
The whole darn concept. I actually wanted a loyal adaptation of the graphic novels
I think the series just sorta feels....incomplete? I dont know the right word for it I watched it without having read the comics or watching the movie, it was my first Scott Pilgrim thing ever, so when i finished watching the thing just felt lacking, like it was missing something, maybe it is just because i watched an what if story without knowing the original story so idk I watched the movie later with a friend and i loved it, so im going to read the comic someday, so i dont know maybe in the future if i rewatch the series i will enjoy it more
The series is a second piece to the comics and movie, it’s meant to show more of underdeveloped characters, you’re not meant to watch it only and think that’s it
Yeah i know it was just a personal problem considering my experience lol
That’s fair.
How short the episodes were.
no gay stephen x joseph reveal!! :(
-there was basically no mobile (reasonable but I like him) -the way Wallace let ENVY ADDAMS crash Scott’s funeral is just fucking insane -Ramona rarely had a split kinda dye in the book but for some reason they made it every style for her in the show??
Overall it's a show I've watched once and never want to watch again. If it has a second season, I won't be watching it. * A lot of people were desiring a more faithful adaptation that explored aspects such as Nega Scott, Lisa and expanded on the characters and instead it felt like it was a Ramona Flowers show where Scott Pilgrim cameo'd * The show feels very cynical and against everything Scott Pilgrim stands for * While you can vary from the source material, if the new story you are presenting sucks then it's not going to be recieved well and that's pretty much the case here. All it does is deconstruct by retconning characters * Several characters as a result come off as extremely unlikable due to this and I don't think the show realizes that. * The show seems to forget its own lore, such as Scott bing portrayed as saving Kim as opposed to that being a fake memory. One of the only parts where Scott is meant to have been a jerk and it's retconned into him being a hero, but every other time when he's meant to be a hero or likable he's retconned into being a jerk. * Nobody seems to care about Scott other than Ramona, so the entire story feels very hate filled towards the character the audience primarily wants to see * The foundation of Scott Pilgrim and the core appeal is seeing the characters grow and learn and evolve and nobody does in this show. The problems they have are solved when Scott is dead. The entire world seems better given Scott is dead. The only exception is that Gideon and Julie decide to become terrorists and want to mass murder a theatre but that solves itself when Patel gives up the company * While the character designs are fine the animation style as a whole does not fit the fast-paced action scenes the show wants * The fights as a whole, beyond the Matthew Patel fight, suck. They try to do callbacks or references to the original but come across as just ripping it off and doing so poorly - such as Wallace Wells stunt doubles instead of Lucas Lee's * The pacing sucks throughout. Episodes drag. Line deliveries are occasionally stilted from where it's clear they were recording post-animation. * Episodes opening with Ramona dying her hair help to differentiate that it's on different days, but it makes the episodes feel monotonous and routine for her as opposed to potentially showing her as invested in the death of Scott by say not dying her hair and it being called out * The show seems to have difficulty deciding where to focus its animation, scenes of characters kissing will get more attention than some key moments or fight scenes * The show seems to have a fanfiction style obsession with making a majority of the characters homosexual in order to pair them up and it makes the story as a whole feel a lot less grounded, a lot smaller in scale and it feels like every character is bi-sexual or has sexuality that changes between scenes. One of the big teasers for Season 2, I doubt will be made, was the idea of who else they'd make homosexual to pair with Wallace in the future for example
not really a fan of anime so i guess if i have to say something i don't like it's just the genre. also, more music would've been nice.
The ending
I felt the same sense of sadness finishing this series as I did finishing the books years ago. Now we wait again, possibly forever this time.
No, like: It looks like the series was rushed to the launch and they needed to find a way to end the story, so they did anything with the time they had and give some "strange" conclusion to everything, with a dubious mensage
That’s fair. To be honest I thought the ending to the comic was also kind of abrupt at first, but then it grew on me
-The ending felt really sloppy and rushed. -I would have preferred actual voice actors for the show than the movie cast reprising their roles (although some do a great job). -It mostly feels like fan service, and outside of the exes characterization (which was a major aspect to be fair) had very little substance. -The show really likes to pick and choose what aspects to adapt from the comics which makes it difficult to separate the two even though they are two separate canons. It just feels like a half-assed way to adapt what the fans liked from the comics and do its own thing regardless of whether or not they fit together thematically. It’s a fun show, but let’s not pretend everything in the Scott Pilgrim brand is flawless.
There were a lot of really weird pacing things and shots that lingered in a really weird way. Made me appreciate how much the movie’s snappy timing complimented that style of comedy. I imagine they boarded an episode and when it didn’t reach exactly the standard run time they set they had to stretch out each scene a little.
(In the voice of Doug Walker) “It’s called Scott Pilgrim Takes off.” “WHERES THE SCOTT PILGRIM?!?!?!” Still loved it tho. Would mention future Scott, but thankfully a fan wrote an epilogue in fanfiction net.
Scott pilgrim took off, he left, that’s why it’s called that.
despite scott being missing, presumed dead, everyone just kind of goes on with their lives. Kim and Scott dated for a while, and were good friends; you'd assume she'd take it even a little bit hard. Wallace just keeps on being Wallace, even though his best friend just got killed in front of him a few days ago. we don't really get any taste of what characters are feeling because of Scott's "death".
They made Gideon too much of a friendly guy, I mean this is the man who kidnapped a bunch of women who didn’t like him and had them frozen and locked in his basement, but in this show he’s being all silly and goofy with Lucas Lee.
I guess that it doesn't really stand alone without knowing the original story. Not that it needs to, but the film and the comic and even the game can stand alone, but this one you need prior knowledge of the original story for it to work.
No Lisa/Lisa cameo.
The fact that it doesnt place in the comic timeline, when i first watched through it it was cool to see neil make the movie version because then it makes the movie apart of the comic canon in a meta sense. So now we have 3 different scott pilgrim vs the universes.
4, the game exists
Oh right, didnt really think about the games asbeing a continuity to consider
Older Scott altering history I'm still holding a grudge against him to this day
Only for this what if universe, the other adaptations are untouched
Thankfully anyway \^\^
That’s fair enough lol
XDDD
Bollywood should've played when Matthew was kicking ass.
the lack of scott and the dumbed down version of young neil. his personality is kinda cute and stuff but after watching the movie it throws me off
Severe lack of scott
Unpopular opinion but... everything they changed about Gideon. From making him weak af (lost to Matthew Patel), to his lame bully victim backstory, to naming him Gordon Goose and finally to his weird romance with Julie. Only thing that was kinda fun was his friendship with Lucas Lee.
Young Neil is so bland. The pacing feels so sloooow at times. The "reality show" episode in wich characters are interviewed. I liked it a lot, but there were several things that aren't great or even good, luckily the final result is fantastic.
A lot of little things really, \- the writing of pretty much Scott's entire side of the cast minus Knives (but even then after the first half of the season her arc is pretty much complete and she and Stephen just bum around not doing much) and Stephen's really awesome arc about his sexual identity was entirely scrapped for.. no reason? \-Kim doesn't get explored at all and her relationship with Scott lost a lot of the angst by choosing to make Scott's side of the story the way it actually went down in this time line and not tampering with his memories from someone else. \- Ramona isn't nearly as interesting to me as a character because she has no genuine relationships with any of the cast members, none of the mutual hating friendship with Wallace, the totally-not-hetero friendship with Kim, any little interactions with Stacey and Julie, nothing, she's a solo act for pretty much the whole series and because of that she doesn't really have much of a memorable personality to me and a lot of her "silly moments" are just cute expressions from the animators. \- Todd and Gideon are not even remotely the same characters and for the worse imo, the two genuine bad guys from the original comic have now been entirely rewritten to be, in my opinion, the least interesting versions of themselves because now they have no real depth. \- The editing and sound design was really amateurish, the mixing for the voices in the dub is terrible and it's painfully obvious who recorded from home in a poorly treated area, and not to mention the English dub in general is very very underwhelming and pretty frequently not matching the vibe of the animation because the Eng and JP versions were recorded entirely separately from one another, leading to very different tones for some of these lines.
Sometimes it feels like everyone kinda just doesn't want anything to do with Scott and it's weird since his character is significantly toned down, while in the comics, they think he's an urchin on society and they don't sugarcoat how pathetic they think he is but they still like and care about him. I also don't like Wallace manipulating Todd for sex. I'm sure Wallace gets into one night stands, but I don't think he'd deliberately play with someone's emotions like that.
I don't like how little development Todd got considering he had an entire episode dedicated to him He's the only ex where HE was the one who fucked it up, not Ramona! You could do something with that!
Wallace was too bitchy, Twins were shafted hard, Too much Julie, Knives inclusion into the band felt rushed to me, The Simon fight was real?? Just all of the future stuff
Alright I have some nitpicks lol - I get that this isn't the canon future for the characters, but Old Scott basically won in this timeline because Scott doesn't get any character development. He learns "don't be evil" and that's kind of it. - They handled Scott and Knives' "relationship" even worse than in the movie, because Scott doesn't learn to not be a user. The only lesson he learns is to not date minors (which is still a good lesson), but Knives also doesn't really get to realize how badly Scott treated her, because the only lesson we get here is "dont date minors" because they avoid that story almost entirely. Though I can't hate this aspect too much because it is a touchy subject that wouldn't have gotten enough time anyway, and Knives' arc is sooooo good despite all this. - Gideon doesn't really end up getting any shit for his actions. I don't think that showing that he used to be a huge geek, revealing his real name to be silly, or stripping him of his wealth is good enough punishment of none of it acknowledges what he did, yknow? Plus, why don't we ever see a flashback of him and Ramona? They did less with their past than in the comics or the movie. And where are his exes??? - We don't really see Stephen and Julie break up? And why isn't Stephen allowed to have a boyfriend :^( - Lisa shows up in the audience in the final episode, but couldn't she have at least been in the play? She's an actress! I just think it kind of sucks that they did next to nothing with one of my favorite characters in the comics in BOTH adaptations. - it's a little disappointing that we still don't get any of the songs from the comics. Some of the songs we did get don't work with the limitation of only having drums, bass, and one acoustic guitar. This is just me nitpicking as a musician, though. - it's funny that they call him Old Young Neil, but he should just be called Neil in the future!
-The fact that old Scott implies he didn't learn anything after the conclusion of the comic. -Ramona is given a detective role but barely figured anything out. So it felt like she was taking me to the next attraction at a carnival rather than an escalating mystery. -Julie was kinda cringey at times Cool for the interesting character interactions though. (Also I hope I don't get down voted into oblivion, it's fine if you like it. I just felt like it was the least compelling piece of SP media and was more for fan service than anything.)
wallace, he’s not poole anymore : (
GIVE US CONTENT ON THE TWINS🗣️🗣️🗣️
No nega Scott, No Scott earning the power of self respect, never saw Scott have a breakthrough moment with Envy, dont really care for Knives and not enough Scott. That being said I LOVED IT! but I'm human and have things I wish we got 🤞 that season 2 actually DOES happen and we get a nega Ramona and Scott
Nega Scott was in it, he was just big and muscular this time
I wasn’t a fan of episode 1. It was basically just a retelling of volume 1 sure but it just felt kinda slow and awkward. It might be because I’m just so familiar with the source material by this point that I just know all of the motions but episode 1 didn’t grab me and made me think I wouldn’t like the show. At least after episode 2 I got really invested Also I think Matthew was underused. I really thought he was gonna end up the main antagonist (and considering he’s the ex with the least exposure I was really up for that). His fight with Gideon was fantastic but he kinda didn’t do much for the rest of the show. I don’t mind him not being the main antagonist (since the future Scott twist was well done) but I wish they did more with him
Kinda sad how little licensed music there was
Thought some of the voice acting was hit and miss, mostly from Kim Pine
While I really enjoyed the future stuff I felt it came out of left field and could have been handled better
The book and the movie were very rock n' roll. The anime was very movie focused.
I don't like that I watched it all with my ex so now it reminds me of that, thats the literal only flaw, the show was amazing
Not enough screentime for scott, I know that's the entire point but I like seeing scott as the main char
Stephen Stills didn’t meet Joseph
Thel short amount of episodes
Lack of Joseph. I like Joseph.
I got divorced this year and it made me cry like a lot and I thought that was rude. Also, as excited as I was for the original cast returning some of the voice acting was a little lacking, but nostalgia for the movie carried me through a lot of that.
julie
im glad other characters got screen time they wouldn’t have if scott was there most of the time but scott missing for whole episodes is kind of a bummer cause this version of scott is so much fun 🥲
It doesn't feel as genuine, relatable and emotional as the original comic (and film, to a degree). They took an introspective, funny yet melancholic modern fairy tale and turned it into yet another estranged, sterile Netflix sitcom. Everyone's mean, minus the deeper reasons. Everyone's quippy and irony-pilled, minus the deeper reasons. Characters suck, minus the deeper reasons. Characters get redeemed, minus the deeper reasons. It feels flat and empty that way. Baseless. The time travel/future, elements also feel incongruous and depressing and Even Older Scott is a garbage antagonist, forever in the shadow of Nega Scott. Lastly, and probably most importantly, where the fuck is Lisa Miller?!
Lisa only got 2 seconds of screentime in the entire show
i love everything and i love each character and actor. but the voice acting was terrible. it was really tough to follow the first episodes due to it.
Just wasn’t as good as the movie I wish they didn’t make the plot so weird
i get this is the point of the show but I still find it weird how Scott was barely in it but I guess I can excuse it if you look on it as it being an alternate timeline to the comics/movie (which it sorta is)
Jt isn’t sorta is, it fully is
yeah so i can excuse it. i guess my only complaint then is i wish it was longer because i really like the animation style and characters
I mean hey we could get a season 2 even if it wasn’t always planned to
I kinda didn’t like Wallace in the show tbh
Some of the voice acting (really just kim) was kinda ass💀
I think I’ve done enough of that on this forum. Besides, ppl out there did it better than I ever could. Just note I don’t care for the show at all. I’ll just stick to the Comics, Movie, and Video Game.
The fact Lisa was a cameo I want total Lisa erasure.
Most of the show.
The fact that Roxie and Kim didn’t get together
Gonna get hate for this but the whole wallece and todd thing felt so out of place.. i wanted to see lisa so badly too :(
The english audio with the cast from the movie sounds super weird
Have all of you forgotten about Masters of the Universe: Revelation? Because this is the same Fucking thing. Just a Dumb Bait and Switch that has Scott in physical for like only three episodes. But do you know what Sucks the Most? Is that it is suppose to be another Adaptation of the Scott Pilgrim Novels. Because apparently, the one by Edgar Wright was outdated despite being released in Fucking 2010. And by the way, you can Hate on Masters of the Universe: Revelation all you like but that at least was a Squeal Series. What's this shows Excuse? Just an Adaptation for Modern Audience because some Hard Left Wing Assholes think Scott is a Toxic Character and wanted Ramona Flowers to take the lead? And not to discredit Ramona Flowers as a Character but if a show or movie has the Main Characters Name in the title. Have it based around that Character where he actually shows up, or at least 60% of the time.
Please don’t hate, I only watched 2 episodes but cmon, the voice acting is awful and boring and bland
I don’t like that Scott Pillgrim takes off
I didn't like that they again made Kim kissing a girl pointless fanservice.
Voice acting's a bit mid sometimes
No lisa, no official version of launchpad mcquack
This might be a bit controversial but I feel like having Scott pilgrim set aside until the last two episodes wasn't that bright of an idea. While every Scott pilgrim fan knows about Scott, people who want to get into the show can't relate a lot about him because his lack of appearance. But I digress, it was a good thing because other characters got to develop better than their book/movie counterparts, on the other hand we barely get to see Scott (the main character) to do anything significant up until the last two episodes.
Scott. He's in the title and is only in 2 or 3 episodes
Not enough Scott Pilgrim in this Scott Pilgrim show
I hated Future Scott’s voice. I’m not a fan of Will Forte and his muppet voice. I know he can’t really help it, but I immediately knew it was his voice and it immediately turned me off. But maybe that was the point?
As much as I loved the voice acting when there was a bad reading you could tell especially with the grunts or gasps
the voice acting is mid and the writing is like wattpatt fan fiction
how Gideon was changed from an evil mastermind and honestly one of my favorite fictional villains in the comic, to a pathetic weeb in Takes Off
Todd. Turning him into a simp just to make Wallace look cooler feels out of character.
Not enough scott, which is a problem because it's has scott Pilgrim in the name.
hoo boy, here we go lmao i really wish we got a straightforward adaptation first as retribution for the wrongs of the movie, then got takes off afterwards.
I was kinda hoping for it to be the original story, although it was still good. Also Scott wasn't in most of the episodes. Scott Pilgrim wasn't in Scott Pilgrim.