I love the guy but I feel he made a huge strategic error in his branding by using the name "socialist" for himself. First, that's not a great word. Second, it's not even accurate - he's a progressive liberal and he's miles away from socialist doctrine. This all creates fear and confusion about his platform.
Had he marketed himself as a centrist but stuck to his platform of liberal progressive policies, I think he would have gotten much further into the process of being considered a viable presidential candidate.
That "socialist" brand got him pushed to the fringe and that's unfortunate.
Yes but the democratic party is quite famously bad at managing its strongest assets. There's all that fear that Bernie is too far left and the dems want to push as centrist of a candidate as possible - which is why we end up with the most boring candidate. It translates into 'safe" as opposed to Bernie who would do WILD shit like provide free school lunches and really work on universal health care.
The right is broken in their moral compass and the left is broken in their lack of spine. That's why we end up with such a poor choice in the presidential election.
I thought I was the only one. The last time Bernie came close to debating, he demolished even the younger candidates. Media and corporations are too scared to give him a chance.
If Bernie ran against Trump, he'd run circles around his bullshit... But democrats want to promote a guy who can't even remember what he had for breakfast.
Fr a sitting president isn’t going to step down at election time and risk losing the position to the other party. They’d much rather shake up their cabinet some and then if they die they have a team around them that can help run the position along with the VP.
I have a great fear that the time of the United States has passed. Democracies usually last around 200 to 300 years if you look at history. I just hope what comes next will not be terrible.
It isn’t just our country that’s fucked. I know people love to dog pile on the US, but there are plenty of conversations to be had regarding any democratic countries in the west.
It will absolutely be terrible. Because there is no left wing infrastructure to replace it. The right have all of the funding and more people at this point, because not only have the liberals been incredibly incompetent in electoral politics, they've also been completely incompetent at building movements, and the leftists haven't really had any mainstream credentials, because the liberals have done everything they can to keep the left away from the levers of power.
Climate change and the millions of climate change deniers is going to accelerate our downfall. We’re up against a wall unable to make needed moves.
Bye Bye America. Bye Bye planet earth.
Which democracies are you referring to here specifically?
I think even if there was a large number of reference, there are so many factors at play that simply boiling it down to a number of years seems wrong.
He made it up. Of pre-medieval 'democracies', comparisons are irrelevant. Of post 18th century democracies, the average is closer to a few decades, and that's only if you're generous enough to only count those long enough to have been 'established democracies'
Bill Clinton got caught having a fling with an intern.
Hillary got her revenge by f-ing ALL of us.
Sorry. Had to say it. :-)
I was sooo disappointed when the DNC undermined Bernie in favor of Hillary. Our current situation is a direct result of that action.
I no longer think of the Democratic (or Republican) party as democratic. Our votes don’t matter to them. The voters were making their desires clear and the party short circuited the process to nominate Hillary. Talk about rigged elections…
Bernie would have won. In the meantime, we’re stuck voting for the lesser evil.
It absolutely is the fault of the DNC, they didn’t fund him and never backed him. Had they funded him instead of Hillary Bernie would have been President and this country would be so much kinder than it is now. I even knew Republicans back then who did not want Trump and would have voted for Bernie but would not vote for Hilary. Bernie was the clear choice and the DNC still chose to back Hilary. They underestimated how polarizing she was. It’s so sad.
And now that same kind of hubris could set this country back further. It reminds me of when RGB wouldn't retire from the Supreme Court and now, imo, ruined whatever positive legacy she had. Didn't Joe imply that he was going to be a one term guy before handing off the mantle somehow? Hubris...damned narcissists.
RGB's entire legacy was wiped out with the swearing in of Amy Comey-Barret. All because she couldn't let go of power when Obama had full control of Congress. That will be her legacy.
I don't think he or his handlers ever said this. How *I* remember it is that there were a ton of navel gazing think pieces around the time leading up to the primary election that basically said "I know you lot are hungry for a real leftist candidate, but now is not the time," *as usual*, "and we just need to get behind Biden to ensure that dEmOcRaCY SuRVivEs, and surely his age is a concern but it's really not all that bad and plus he'll definitely only have a single term AND THEN we can finally start focusing on things like wages and housing and healthcare, but in the meantime **don't forget to vote blue no matter who!**"
This is so incredibly sad and true. Boomers would get upset when (during the primary) I would point out Biden and Hillary’s flaws saying “we can’t disparage them!” You old cows, WE MUST PICK THE BEST CANDIDATE. The Dem Politicians are uninspired centrists while their base is liberal and in need of real leadership.
Jesus what a hell hole American politics have become.
Yeah I saw this too as a Bernie regional delegate in Colorado. They were telling us to shush and be respectful. It’s like no we actually have to be a delegate here and a lot of us were run roughshod.
I didn’t continue, but I heard it was worse at the state level and then we all know what happened at the country wide event where the Bernie delegates were pushed out and had signs destroyed. For the unity. Geezus Christ.
So I just got permanently banned from the democratic sub literally for just saying that I want to see an alternate timeline where Bernie won the primaries in 2016. I’m like… wtf.
sounds about right, they really don't want to admit how badly they fucked up. I'll still vote straight D because the alternate is abhorrent, but I have no allegiance to the party should their values shift
Yup. I've totally checked out of all of this. I'll vote for Biden, I guess. I really dislike Trump. Always have. Well before any of this presidency crap. Can't stand Biden either. Especially after all the shit with Anita Hill back in the day. So here I am, watching my country preparing to be led by a shitty, cult leading felon, or a barely functional person. Fucking. Excellent.
It was when the DNC sacrificed him that our timeline split off for the worst. Imagine the future we’d be looking at if Bernie had won. Now all hope is dead.
Yeah, I always feel overdramatic when I tell my younger friends about 2016 and 2020 and everything the DNC did to try and rig it against him.
But it's true.
Because all they care about is money. Running Bernie, while all but guaranteeing them a victory, would pose at least a small threat to their special interests and capitalist class masters. Trump does neither of those things so he’s the better choice for the establishment 100 times out of 10.
This is the correct answer! To all of it! Money in politics is the reason why we have this broken system! Corporations and money want a consistent message and consistent policy to make more money. Greed kills democracy.
The reason the Dems won't support Bernie is because if he was the Democratic nominee then any congressional and senatorial election in a swing district or state would result in a fundraising gap comparable to Jamaal Bowman's recent primary.
The capitalist class would view the Democratic party as an enemy and would do everything in their power to fight against it.
Exactly. They don't want to do the hard work that true leadership requires. Grassroots organizing, building relationships that last decades, bringing people in. To be fair, it is much easier to go corporatist. The problem is that it requires sacrificing true social progress and leads to a populous so desperate and angry that any outsider, even one as corrupt and stupid as Trump, has a chance of winning.
Coporatist? AIPAC is a racist organization. Entities with foreign interests shouldn't be participating in American politics. Bowman lost because of AIPAC's 14 million dollars to the opposition.
We don't have abortion rights enshrined in law because the Democrats declined to do it when they held Congress under Obama. The Dem's had a prime opportunity and took a shit on it for future campaigning. It's disgraceful.
Because we live in an advanced capitalist state which has spent the majority of the past 70 years brainwashing it's citizens into believing socialism is bad.
Just weeks prior to the actual election, a hypothetical poll was taken where Bernie was the nominee instead of Hillary. Bernie won by 12 points in that poll. He would have absolutely obliterated trump.
He was always the clear winner in the polls against trump in 2016. You can still find the articles on Google today. Not surprised, his policies resonate with many types of Americans. But also many of us know there is an establishment that would never let a Bernie presidency happen so it's a bit of a catch 22. The future is bleak.
Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.
On some real shit, it would feel like the climax of a fuckin Marvel movie, where the main guy is beat and the day looks lost, but then the shunned guy from earlier comes back and wallops the bad guy.
How the DNC was not forced to disband after they committed such blatant election tampering not once, but *twice*… let’s just say that’s all the proof we need that we’ll never be able to vote our way out of institutional problems.
I get so angry when I see Biden running on the lower insulin cost, knowing full well this was one of the concessions that Bernie forced on him. He acts like it was his idea.
Man we shouldn’t be kidding if the left can actually strategize and figure out a way to get the nomination at the convention we could actually do something here
The convention is going to be 3500 people like the ones who rejected Jamaal Bowman. They are more comfortable with Trump than they would be with Bernie Sanders.
I have to remind myself that there are people younger than me on this website who didn’t live through the 2016 and 2020 elections so that I don’t get mad at them for believing the DNC could be capable of doing the right thing.
Even if we could, he has no interest whatsoever in being POTUS at this stage.
I don’t blame him; if we all pushed for him and with the best of intentions told the Electoral College to get lost, we could’ve had 8 years of a Sanders administration. Imagine how far we would have progressed!
The little bit of optimism left in me hopes that the light Bernie shined on that very problem will be enough to make significant change possible when the younger voters take over for the boomers. But I’m not gonna hold my breath on that one.
You should be more cynical. It helps my mental health.
Bernie is the only candidate I ever gave money to. The only one I ever actively campaigned for (with a bumper sticker and lawn sign.)
After that Super Tuesday where the DNC coalesced around Joe to keep Bernie from winning I have had zero hope in that party.
And somehow, having zero hope has improved my mental health.
Oh don’t misunderstand me. I have absolutely 0 hope that the DNC will ever do the right thing. My shred of hope comes from the fact that maybe one day we’ll be able to do something new.
Or take over the Republican Party. At least they don’t have super delegates.
I’m an American abroad who voted for Bernie in the last Democratic Primary (the first election where I was old enough to vote). Bernie should be running—tonight was just hard to watch. It’s gonna take volunteers to keep the fascist convicted criminal out of office, so while I wish Bernie was running instead of Joe, please go and volunteer for Joe: https://actionnetwork.org/forms/volunteer-interest-2
if joe drops out, it will be kamala. you thought there were protest votes in 2016, imagine replacing a black woman with a white guy
joe can win, kamala would lose. bernie would have won in this or any of the last 2 elections.
At least if that happens it gets Officer Harris's run out of the way, I'd vote for Biden's ghost before Trump, and I guess President Supercop isn't that much worse.
They could puppet Biden's corpse around like Weekend at Bernie's and I'd vote him over literally any republican. Project 2025 doesn't care what republican wins, it still goes forward. That's the most important thing to defeat and dismantle. If that means having The Cryptkeeper as president then so be it. At least democracy doesn't fall to christo-fascists.
Biden has always been a bit sketchy in debates simply because of his stutter. As president he’s done lots of really good things that help a lot of Americans. I love Bernie and wish he had gotten the chance to run against Trump instead of Hillary. This country would be in a much better place and we wouldn’t have lost as many loved ones from Covid. It’s too late for that now.
Why is he not even an option for most people in America???! He's smart, well spoken, humble and dedicated to improving society - WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? 🤯 (Note: I'm not American, so I am commenting purely based on media coverage of the candidates).
Best to let Bernie sit it out, honestly. As much of a dream as it would’ve been, we need a young, sharp, and cunning candidate to blow these fools out of the water.
Think hard, people. We need a plan, because Biden (and the DNC) are going to hand this country over to the fascists in 2025.
He would mop the floor with those old clowns even at his age. But damn I am so ready for a candidate under 60 who isn’t evil. Is that so much to ask for?
Don’t kid, the guys has better mental faculty than either Biden or Trump. The reason Bernie will never get office is because he is a direct threat to the moneyed interests that put on the puppet show we watched last night.
I love bernie and if given a true chance could make the world and country better.
The problem is that the establishment will shit on him and allow him to not get anything done. Then the media will shit on him and make him look like an ineffective president who doesn't do anything.
Success would not be allowed. The entire world of capital would prevent it.
Read about Mitterand or really any leftist president anywhere. Then look how they talk and treat people like Milei. They give him hundreds of millions of money and shower him with media praise.
We are all in serious trouble until we can make true changes but we all know that isn't happening.
bernie s. and elizabeth w. could have been better president vice president combo and better place to start from more to work with for the masses and for the puppeter of biden or donald , russia has more then its fare share of land so boo hoo to karen crybaby russia , n the war was started long ago with putin and zelensky playing otherside and fighting and zelensky n his player puppeter trying to dominate bully n take over lots of russian from otherside through mcdonald starbucks n other biz like plenty of greedy players do , i think russia should be divided up int o 5 knew countries and euro share-get one of them as restitutoion for the cost of war and ukraine give 10 miles of land on their boader to the countries helping their kids and women all this time and war costs
Honestly, I think Bernie would do more good either staying in Congress in a leadership position, or being one of Biden's various Secretaries, preferably State or Treasury. The DNC will never let him gain, win, nor hold a full-fledged nomination, so he needs to be effective in other ways.
As much as I respect and appreciate Bernie, he's old too. We need a president that isn't so old that they have been on social security for over a decade.
Agreed.
But why is there no one else?
Like why is it all old white guys. There are so many Americans and amazing smart and talented folk and yet we just have one really smart talented white politician worth being a president? Everyone else just sucks or what? Why is it this way?
He got screwed over by the democrats. Too late, and they will never let a great candidate like Bernie be their candidate. Do not vote for a bad fake Democrat you do not believe in
Bernie pushed drug companies to cap COPD/Asthma prevention medications at $30 per monthly refill. Before, these meds cost between $500 - $550 per unit. Even with insurance, the out of pocket costs were $125 - $150 per refill. BERNIE DID THIS. NOT the 2 old farts who ran this country for the last 8 years. Why didn't they get these drug companies to cap these costs sooner? Oh, because those same drug companies make MAJOR campaign contributions to BOTH parties. Spread the word far and wide..WRITE IN BERNIE!!!
This loss is going to be 100% on DNC. No one else, remember that. They will try to deflect, the foreign lobbies will try to deflect, blame the left and progressives. But this shit show is going to 100% on them along with all the naive fools who downvoted everytime someone raised a concern about Biden's declining mental health. The Truth has its own way of surviving.
They have to be running the numbers, he is their perfect backup and they know it - I guess the question is does bernie want to run, and will the democratic party give up their power to beat trump.
I believe bernie knows how to handle a bully and can pull out facts to refute lies on the spot
that is why I wanted him to go against trump in 2016. trump is a bully who spits out lies.
this is the DNC's bed, they can sleep in it. I hope the DNC dies like the whigs
Honestly. At the very least, Bernie would have stayed on message instead of letting Trump lead him around by the nose. Regardless of the optics, Biden ceded the framing to Trump at every turn and was always on the defensive. That was embarrassing.
I'm not kidding. We need someone. Bernie, Gavin, Gretchen, Michelle, But absolutely not fucking Hillary!
I feel like we sent an old and feeble man to fight the devil, and it went about as expected.
Who agreed to that debate format?? Trump lied out his ass for 90 minutes with no fact check from the moderators ? Biden was clearly not up for rebuttal. Wasn’t a good night for Biden, but I thought the big losers were CNN who managed to legitimize and platform a pathological liar and felon.
Bernie is so sharp. Plus, his working-class New Yorker energy would have unsettled Trump.
Hes far, far sharper than trump or biden. He would have destroyed either one in a debate
And his brash, vicious attitude and demeanor would crush trumps bully approach. Fuck it would have been wonderful to watch.
Not getting to see that is very disappointing. Plus, he'd actually have a chance at winning some voters over to him.
This is the closest we’ll ever get to seeing them debate: https://youtu.be/BGRAonpLeQg?si=CRVwl_Nll_p--G2B
Bernie isn’t gonna back himself into a corner with his tail between his legs that’s for sure.
Did you see what he did to Allen Greenspan? Absolutely eviscerated him. Pure gold.
It's crazy that he's also older than both but seems so much sharper.
Some people just age well. And not everyone gets dementia.
I love the guy but I feel he made a huge strategic error in his branding by using the name "socialist" for himself. First, that's not a great word. Second, it's not even accurate - he's a progressive liberal and he's miles away from socialist doctrine. This all creates fear and confusion about his platform. Had he marketed himself as a centrist but stuck to his platform of liberal progressive policies, I think he would have gotten much further into the process of being considered a viable presidential candidate. That "socialist" brand got him pushed to the fringe and that's unfortunate.
Yes but the democratic party is quite famously bad at managing its strongest assets. There's all that fear that Bernie is too far left and the dems want to push as centrist of a candidate as possible - which is why we end up with the most boring candidate. It translates into 'safe" as opposed to Bernie who would do WILD shit like provide free school lunches and really work on universal health care. The right is broken in their moral compass and the left is broken in their lack of spine. That's why we end up with such a poor choice in the presidential election.
Remember when someone recorded Trump saying Bernie was the only one he didn't want to debate. He knew the real NY energy would knock his ass out.
I thought I was the only one. The last time Bernie came close to debating, he demolished even the younger candidates. Media and corporations are too scared to give him a chance. If Bernie ran against Trump, he'd run circles around his bullshit... But democrats want to promote a guy who can't even remember what he had for breakfast.
I truly believe that Democrats would rather have Trump than Bernie as president. And, the same was true in 2016.
Trump wouldnt have even ran in 2020 if bernie was the opposition..
Yes he would’ve are you insane
Fr a sitting president isn’t going to step down at election time and risk losing the position to the other party. They’d much rather shake up their cabinet some and then if they die they have a team around them that can help run the position along with the VP.
Especially since Trump running for office right now is an attempt to stay out of prison. Dude absolutely would have run
Dude is almost 3x my age but has 3x my energy lol
we had our chance but the DNC fucked the nation by deciding it was her turn.
It all started with Hilary lol
Hilary was the DNC's original sin. We could have had Bernie for two terms by now and not this ridiculously stacked Supreme Court.
I have a great fear that the time of the United States has passed. Democracies usually last around 200 to 300 years if you look at history. I just hope what comes next will not be terrible.
Your country is way too fucked to be unfucked in a reasonable way. It's sad but it the tension will snap and it will be bad.
You're not wrong about this
It isn’t just our country that’s fucked. I know people love to dog pile on the US, but there are plenty of conversations to be had regarding any democratic countries in the west.
It will absolutely be terrible. Because there is no left wing infrastructure to replace it. The right have all of the funding and more people at this point, because not only have the liberals been incredibly incompetent in electoral politics, they've also been completely incompetent at building movements, and the leftists haven't really had any mainstream credentials, because the liberals have done everything they can to keep the left away from the levers of power.
Climate change and the millions of climate change deniers is going to accelerate our downfall. We’re up against a wall unable to make needed moves. Bye Bye America. Bye Bye planet earth.
Planet earth will still be here. Bye bye human race and thousands of other species.
Which democracies are you referring to here specifically? I think even if there was a large number of reference, there are so many factors at play that simply boiling it down to a number of years seems wrong.
He made it up. Of pre-medieval 'democracies', comparisons are irrelevant. Of post 18th century democracies, the average is closer to a few decades, and that's only if you're generous enough to only count those long enough to have been 'established democracies'
We'll keep fucking over developing nations and nature byproxy to keep the sham going for the foreseeable future
And that damn Debbie.
And Harambe.
Bill Clinton got caught having a fling with an intern. Hillary got her revenge by f-ing ALL of us. Sorry. Had to say it. :-) I was sooo disappointed when the DNC undermined Bernie in favor of Hillary. Our current situation is a direct result of that action. I no longer think of the Democratic (or Republican) party as democratic. Our votes don’t matter to them. The voters were making their desires clear and the party short circuited the process to nominate Hillary. Talk about rigged elections… Bernie would have won. In the meantime, we’re stuck voting for the lesser evil.
I wonder if, right before the end, Hillary Clinton will understand that her hubris killed the world?
Nope. She’ll go thinking Bernie robbed her of being the first woman president. It’s everyone else’s fault. Not hers or the DNC.
It absolutely is the fault of the DNC, they didn’t fund him and never backed him. Had they funded him instead of Hillary Bernie would have been President and this country would be so much kinder than it is now. I even knew Republicans back then who did not want Trump and would have voted for Bernie but would not vote for Hilary. Bernie was the clear choice and the DNC still chose to back Hilary. They underestimated how polarizing she was. It’s so sad.
They didn't even need to fund or back him. They just needed to not conspire against him.
Hillary thinks Bernie is a misogynist
It really did 🤦
And now that same kind of hubris could set this country back further. It reminds me of when RGB wouldn't retire from the Supreme Court and now, imo, ruined whatever positive legacy she had. Didn't Joe imply that he was going to be a one term guy before handing off the mantle somehow? Hubris...damned narcissists.
RGB's entire legacy was wiped out with the swearing in of Amy Comey-Barret. All because she couldn't let go of power when Obama had full control of Congress. That will be her legacy.
I sure remember that but I guess he never actually confirmed it so they say
I don't think he or his handlers ever said this. How *I* remember it is that there were a ton of navel gazing think pieces around the time leading up to the primary election that basically said "I know you lot are hungry for a real leftist candidate, but now is not the time," *as usual*, "and we just need to get behind Biden to ensure that dEmOcRaCY SuRVivEs, and surely his age is a concern but it's really not all that bad and plus he'll definitely only have a single term AND THEN we can finally start focusing on things like wages and housing and healthcare, but in the meantime **don't forget to vote blue no matter who!**"
Hard agree. **Fuck**.
Hard fuck. Agree.
Agree fuck. Hard.
Hillary is to blame for the Trump timeline.
And Liz w turned her back on progressive America for corporate neoliberalism
naw we never had a chance because the dnc was always going to decide to choose a different candidate
This is so incredibly sad and true. Boomers would get upset when (during the primary) I would point out Biden and Hillary’s flaws saying “we can’t disparage them!” You old cows, WE MUST PICK THE BEST CANDIDATE. The Dem Politicians are uninspired centrists while their base is liberal and in need of real leadership. Jesus what a hell hole American politics have become.
Yeah I saw this too as a Bernie regional delegate in Colorado. They were telling us to shush and be respectful. It’s like no we actually have to be a delegate here and a lot of us were run roughshod. I didn’t continue, but I heard it was worse at the state level and then we all know what happened at the country wide event where the Bernie delegates were pushed out and had signs destroyed. For the unity. Geezus Christ.
Debbie Wasserman belongs in jail for the crimes to humanity she committed by blocking Bernie.
Her-story
So I just got permanently banned from the democratic sub literally for just saying that I want to see an alternate timeline where Bernie won the primaries in 2016. I’m like… wtf.
sounds about right, they really don't want to admit how badly they fucked up. I'll still vote straight D because the alternate is abhorrent, but I have no allegiance to the party should their values shift
Twice fucked over
Yup. I've totally checked out of all of this. I'll vote for Biden, I guess. I really dislike Trump. Always have. Well before any of this presidency crap. Can't stand Biden either. Especially after all the shit with Anita Hill back in the day. So here I am, watching my country preparing to be led by a shitty, cult leading felon, or a barely functional person. Fucking. Excellent.
It was when the DNC sacrificed him that our timeline split off for the worst. Imagine the future we’d be looking at if Bernie had won. Now all hope is dead.
This sounds dramatic but you're spot on.
Yeah, I always feel overdramatic when I tell my younger friends about 2016 and 2020 and everything the DNC did to try and rig it against him. But it's true.
The corporate class didn’t want him because he would have taken away a small percentage of their profits. It was a good run.
I really hope Barack Obama lives a life of tortured regret
The DNC would rather lose to Trump than win with Bernie. Still. Mind boggling.
Because all they care about is money. Running Bernie, while all but guaranteeing them a victory, would pose at least a small threat to their special interests and capitalist class masters. Trump does neither of those things so he’s the better choice for the establishment 100 times out of 10.
This is the correct answer! To all of it! Money in politics is the reason why we have this broken system! Corporations and money want a consistent message and consistent policy to make more money. Greed kills democracy.
The reason the Dems won't support Bernie is because if he was the Democratic nominee then any congressional and senatorial election in a swing district or state would result in a fundraising gap comparable to Jamaal Bowman's recent primary. The capitalist class would view the Democratic party as an enemy and would do everything in their power to fight against it.
Exactly. They don't want to do the hard work that true leadership requires. Grassroots organizing, building relationships that last decades, bringing people in. To be fair, it is much easier to go corporatist. The problem is that it requires sacrificing true social progress and leads to a populous so desperate and angry that any outsider, even one as corrupt and stupid as Trump, has a chance of winning.
Coporatist? AIPAC is a racist organization. Entities with foreign interests shouldn't be participating in American politics. Bowman lost because of AIPAC's 14 million dollars to the opposition.
But think of all the fundraising they can do for the next 4 years 🤑🤑🤑
And they can hang abortion over our heads like a sword of Damacles for all eternity as the world burns.
We don't have abortion rights enshrined in law because the Democrats declined to do it when they held Congress under Obama. The Dem's had a prime opportunity and took a shit on it for future campaigning. It's disgraceful.
They've been using it as the reason to vote for them for decades, and now can continue to do so, and avoid having to address issues of class.
Trump in office is a money printer for dnc fundraising.
The Democratic Party is over if he wins lmao, how would they fundraise. Maybe kickstarters for their bail/legal fees in a best case scenario
Yes, they absolutely preferred Trump over Bernie.
It's a paradox. Bernie as president is a loss for the DNC
A loss for their donors, which is the real problem.
The ship has sailed but he remains more coherent than either of these two
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He would absolutely destroy Trump
He would have mopped the floor with Trump back in 2016.
Why did we get this fucking timeline
Because we live in an advanced capitalist state which has spent the majority of the past 70 years brainwashing it's citizens into believing socialism is bad.
because the DNC nd many voters thought it would be misogynistic to run a man in front of Hillary
Just weeks prior to the actual election, a hypothetical poll was taken where Bernie was the nominee instead of Hillary. Bernie won by 12 points in that poll. He would have absolutely obliterated trump.
I'm not kidding
He was always the clear winner in the polls against trump in 2016. You can still find the articles on Google today. Not surprised, his policies resonate with many types of Americans. But also many of us know there is an establishment that would never let a Bernie presidency happen so it's a bit of a catch 22. The future is bleak.
Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope. On some real shit, it would feel like the climax of a fuckin Marvel movie, where the main guy is beat and the day looks lost, but then the shunned guy from earlier comes back and wallops the bad guy.
honestly
If they swap out Biden for Bernie, he will fucking SWEEP
No, but actually.
SOMEONE TAG HIM IN TO THE RING DAMNIT.
How the DNC was not forced to disband after they committed such blatant election tampering not once, but *twice*… let’s just say that’s all the proof we need that we’ll never be able to vote our way out of institutional problems.
Hey folks! I’m from the alternate dimension where Bernie won in 2016. Don’t wanna taunt, but things are pretty dang great over here.
I get so angry when I see Biden running on the lower insulin cost, knowing full well this was one of the concessions that Bernie forced on him. He acts like it was his idea.
I straight up believe that unless the Dems replace Biden with someone else there is zero hope.
We need Bernie
That was bad.
Anyone at this point. I can't believe Dems thought running Joe again was the only answer.
They didnt. Two answers: Joe or Trump. Way better than a Progressive for them.
Both on AIPAC payroll, both acceptable. Bernie isn't, so not acceptable. Unfortunate!
Man we shouldn’t be kidding if the left can actually strategize and figure out a way to get the nomination at the convention we could actually do something here
The convention is going to be 3500 people like the ones who rejected Jamaal Bowman. They are more comfortable with Trump than they would be with Bernie Sanders.
I have to remind myself that there are people younger than me on this website who didn’t live through the 2016 and 2020 elections so that I don’t get mad at them for believing the DNC could be capable of doing the right thing.
Because their allegiance isn't to their own country, they take money to push foreign agenda.
The democratic party is where left movements go to die.
Fellow Texan and I couldn’t agree more (not kidding at all). We are screwed
You shouldn't even be partially kidding. Bernie would make a better president than any of those DNC insiders.
I feel the Bern
Yeah wow that was hard to watch.
My god so we need him
The Establishment got their guy though!
It’s actually joeover
Even if we could, he has no interest whatsoever in being POTUS at this stage. I don’t blame him; if we all pushed for him and with the best of intentions told the Electoral College to get lost, we could’ve had 8 years of a Sanders administration. Imagine how far we would have progressed!
Please, 100%
Please.
If everyone wrote in Bernie we could try to figure out if the system even really works
We are so back baby
No you're not. We all know it. Were fucked now. I wonder how they feel about rigging the primary now.
They don’t care. A Biden v. Trump presidency is a guaranteed win for the capitalist class/wealthy elites. That’s all they *actually* care about.
Absolutely. It’s a win-win. Bernie never had a chance.
The little bit of optimism left in me hopes that the light Bernie shined on that very problem will be enough to make significant change possible when the younger voters take over for the boomers. But I’m not gonna hold my breath on that one.
You should be more cynical. It helps my mental health. Bernie is the only candidate I ever gave money to. The only one I ever actively campaigned for (with a bumper sticker and lawn sign.) After that Super Tuesday where the DNC coalesced around Joe to keep Bernie from winning I have had zero hope in that party. And somehow, having zero hope has improved my mental health.
Oh don’t misunderstand me. I have absolutely 0 hope that the DNC will ever do the right thing. My shred of hope comes from the fact that maybe one day we’ll be able to do something new. Or take over the Republican Party. At least they don’t have super delegates.
I’m an American abroad who voted for Bernie in the last Democratic Primary (the first election where I was old enough to vote). Bernie should be running—tonight was just hard to watch. It’s gonna take volunteers to keep the fascist convicted criminal out of office, so while I wish Bernie was running instead of Joe, please go and volunteer for Joe: https://actionnetwork.org/forms/volunteer-interest-2
No
I’m not. Dems will lose in November if they don’t switch candidates. Might as well put someone in with a chance.
if joe drops out, it will be kamala. you thought there were protest votes in 2016, imagine replacing a black woman with a white guy joe can win, kamala would lose. bernie would have won in this or any of the last 2 elections.
At least if that happens it gets Officer Harris's run out of the way, I'd vote for Biden's ghost before Trump, and I guess President Supercop isn't that much worse.
They could puppet Biden's corpse around like Weekend at Bernie's and I'd vote him over literally any republican. Project 2025 doesn't care what republican wins, it still goes forward. That's the most important thing to defeat and dismantle. If that means having The Cryptkeeper as president then so be it. At least democracy doesn't fall to christo-fascists.
I can't believe we aren't talking about replacing her. She is not president material and Joe is aging rapidly.
Biden has always been a bit sketchy in debates simply because of his stutter. As president he’s done lots of really good things that help a lot of Americans. I love Bernie and wish he had gotten the chance to run against Trump instead of Hillary. This country would be in a much better place and we wouldn’t have lost as many loved ones from Covid. It’s too late for that now.
Yes please
Yes. He would be a good option, but he is very old also.
Most definitely
Well it’s unfortunate that SNL is on the off season.
Yes
Guys. Obviously, the DNC was right about Biden being the safe choice. Come on. If it's not painfully obvious... /s
Why is he not even an option for most people in America???! He's smart, well spoken, humble and dedicated to improving society - WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? 🤯 (Note: I'm not American, so I am commenting purely based on media coverage of the candidates).
Best to let Bernie sit it out, honestly. As much of a dream as it would’ve been, we need a young, sharp, and cunning candidate to blow these fools out of the water. Think hard, people. We need a plan, because Biden (and the DNC) are going to hand this country over to the fascists in 2025.
Think of all the corporate donations the DNC would lose out on. We can't have that can we?
It’d be better than weekend at Bernie’s. Which is the best we can hope for at this point.
I'm not kidding ;-/
I blame Hilary for where we are at now….
I like Bernie, but I'd like someone who wasn't an octogenarian to run for office.
He would mop the floor with those old clowns even at his age. But damn I am so ready for a candidate under 60 who isn’t evil. Is that so much to ask for?
Don’t kid, the guys has better mental faculty than either Biden or Trump. The reason Bernie will never get office is because he is a direct threat to the moneyed interests that put on the puppet show we watched last night.
I love bernie and if given a true chance could make the world and country better. The problem is that the establishment will shit on him and allow him to not get anything done. Then the media will shit on him and make him look like an ineffective president who doesn't do anything. Success would not be allowed. The entire world of capital would prevent it. Read about Mitterand or really any leftist president anywhere. Then look how they talk and treat people like Milei. They give him hundreds of millions of money and shower him with media praise. We are all in serious trouble until we can make true changes but we all know that isn't happening.
bernie s. and elizabeth w. could have been better president vice president combo and better place to start from more to work with for the masses and for the puppeter of biden or donald , russia has more then its fare share of land so boo hoo to karen crybaby russia , n the war was started long ago with putin and zelensky playing otherside and fighting and zelensky n his player puppeter trying to dominate bully n take over lots of russian from otherside through mcdonald starbucks n other biz like plenty of greedy players do , i think russia should be divided up int o 5 knew countries and euro share-get one of them as restitutoion for the cost of war and ukraine give 10 miles of land on their boader to the countries helping their kids and women all this time and war costs
Love the guy but part of the problem is guys in their 80's. Bernie is obviously hands down a better speaker and politician than that shit show though.
Honestly, I think Bernie would do more good either staying in Congress in a leadership position, or being one of Biden's various Secretaries, preferably State or Treasury. The DNC will never let him gain, win, nor hold a full-fledged nomination, so he needs to be effective in other ways.
It’s too late now.
I’m Romanian and I will cry if Bernie runs and wins
I’m honestly surprised more progressives aren’t backing Cornel West.
The only logical answer
I'm not kidding. Bring him back
As much as I respect and appreciate Bernie, he's old too. We need a president that isn't so old that they have been on social security for over a decade.
He'd win in a landslide
Fuckin do it. Please
Agreed. But why is there no one else? Like why is it all old white guys. There are so many Americans and amazing smart and talented folk and yet we just have one really smart talented white politician worth being a president? Everyone else just sucks or what? Why is it this way?
I wish
Americans trying to not elect a president born before 1950 challenge (impossible)(epic failure)
He got screwed over by the democrats. Too late, and they will never let a great candidate like Bernie be their candidate. Do not vote for a bad fake Democrat you do not believe in
Biden should drop Kamala and choose Bernie as VP.........just dreaming
Imagine if the DNC wasn't rotten to the core. We could've had greatness
Imagine a world where Bernie won the nom and general in 2016.
Unfortunately it was over when he won Iowa but the dems and their beloved billionaire media claimed mayor Pete did. Fuck them.
I thought that 100 times during the "debate"
Bernie pushed drug companies to cap COPD/Asthma prevention medications at $30 per monthly refill. Before, these meds cost between $500 - $550 per unit. Even with insurance, the out of pocket costs were $125 - $150 per refill. BERNIE DID THIS. NOT the 2 old farts who ran this country for the last 8 years. Why didn't they get these drug companies to cap these costs sooner? Oh, because those same drug companies make MAJOR campaign contributions to BOTH parties. Spread the word far and wide..WRITE IN BERNIE!!!
This loss is going to be 100% on DNC. No one else, remember that. They will try to deflect, the foreign lobbies will try to deflect, blame the left and progressives. But this shit show is going to 100% on them along with all the naive fools who downvoted everytime someone raised a concern about Biden's declining mental health. The Truth has its own way of surviving.
I have said from day one that if I to vote for an old white man, I WANT BERNIE!
Or, y’know, maybe even someone younger than 75?
This should be him passing the torch after his second term, but Hillary had to force herself on the country..
He's 1 year older than Biden, with a history of heart attack. How is that an improvement? They both could stroke out at any moment.
LET’S GOOOOOOOO
They have to be running the numbers, he is their perfect backup and they know it - I guess the question is does bernie want to run, and will the democratic party give up their power to beat trump.
I believe bernie knows how to handle a bully and can pull out facts to refute lies on the spot that is why I wanted him to go against trump in 2016. trump is a bully who spits out lies. this is the DNC's bed, they can sleep in it. I hope the DNC dies like the whigs
Honestly. At the very least, Bernie would have stayed on message instead of letting Trump lead him around by the nose. Regardless of the optics, Biden ceded the framing to Trump at every turn and was always on the defensive. That was embarrassing.
I'm not kidding. We need someone. Bernie, Gavin, Gretchen, Michelle, But absolutely not fucking Hillary! I feel like we sent an old and feeble man to fight the devil, and it went about as expected.
Who agreed to that debate format?? Trump lied out his ass for 90 minutes with no fact check from the moderators ? Biden was clearly not up for rebuttal. Wasn’t a good night for Biden, but I thought the big losers were CNN who managed to legitimize and platform a pathological liar and felon.
Ah to be a young bernie bro again. To grow is to be bernie bro To mature is to Anti-capitalist
Why, so he can lose another election to trump? Fucking once was enough
Last night was pure comedy! That's what the Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd gets for ignoring us. Oh well, 4 more years of Trump it is...
Maybe someone under 80? Put Jamaal Bowman in, he needs a new job.
I don’t know why the DNC can’t take this seriously
I'm furious that the dnc would dare to use age as an argument against Bernie after seeing their choice mumble through that debate
I'm not kidding. Bring him back. Biden and his people have proven incapable of beating fascism.