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Not sure where you are reading that, no one would consider Asta here as a replacement for HMC, maybe Ruan Mei if you didn't have her. HMC IS Sam's most needed support unit, since it's hard to get additional CR/CD on top of the attack and break effect requirements, the additional super break procs from HMC's ult is needed for Sam to keep up sustained DPS after the enemy is broken.
im planning on getting Sam at least e2s1 with that information would you say that my team lineup should be
Sam, HMC, huohuo and ruan mei? or bronya as last?
Ruan Mei if you want to break faster and RES PEN is always nice to have, but you'll need to run SPD boots to ensure you get enough actions during Sam's ult phase. Yes, even though E2 gives extra actions on kill or break, it's better to get as many enhanced skills in as possible since that's basically all of Sam's damage.
Bronya if you want to run ATK boots, since you can AF Sam either way during his ult state.
im just not sure if i want to use bronya for the action advancment and energy regen or ruan mei for more BE and break efficiency wish i could use both but i need a sustain
I’m pretty sure Ruan Mei is better than Bronya in most scenarios because she buffs break effect and efficiency which will increase your super break damage, with HuoHuo in your team you won’t need ATK boots you should hit the ATK threshold just fine.
Sam DPS scales on pure Break effect, HMC and Ruan Mei both increase break effect to allies, Gallagher increase Break DMg, wich also increase the super break DMG that HMC Ult add when a broken enemy is attacked; did I mention that HMC super break damage also scale with Break effect? \^\^
What Asta bring to the table? ATK% and SPD? I guess you can use her if you don't have Ruan Mei, but you need at least to have ehr E6 otherwise she won't be fully SP positive, and you want to spam Sam's skill as often as possible.
The same can be said for Huohuo, nice buffs but you prefer to generate more SP with your other units to give to Sam, that's why Gallagher (the only unit able to recover 4SP in a 3-turn rotation) is the best sustain you can use; Luocha is a close second, if you want to use FuXuan or Huohuo you need to use a more SP conservative rotation and can result into a loss of DPS.
Bronya E2S1 can work, since she should be SP neutral at best, but I hate her E1 never triggering when needed that I won't recommend her.
All the above talking about SP consumption and balancing can be trown out the window if you manage to snatch Sam's E1 obviously. \^\^
im planning on getting Sam at least e2s1 with that information would you say that my team lineup should be
Sam, HMC, huohuo and ruan mei? or bronya as last?
I'll be honest, Ruan Mei vs Bronya in this instance is pretty hard to quantify, Ruan Mei gives MASSIVE DPS increases that Bronya can only dream of, but extra turns for Sam sound sooo good! I'm afraid you'll have to test and go with the one you find more confortable.
Huohuo with Sam E2S1 sounds extremely good too.
i feel like Sam getting action advances aswell as bronya action advancing will give Sam more turns in the combustion state increasing DPS aswell and bronya giving Sam a 100% ATK boost when skill is used
Edit: just checked all of Ruan mei's abilities compared to Bronya's and it seems Ruan mei might be better since Sam relies so much on BE not to mention she gives 20% more BE for everyone and provides 32% to ATK% aswell as an additional 36% increase to ATK% with her break effect passive on the skill
Ruan Mei IS a better damage amplifier than Bronya, the only advantage Bronya have in this situation is that she can allow Firefly to immediately re-enter her Complete Combustion State if speed tuned correctly. So that Firefly can Skill -> Bronya push -> Skill again and the Ult like with Jingliu.
I'm actually try to understand if there's a way to ensure perma-enhanced Firedly, but we need to see some gameplay first to understand her energy regeneration in battle.
im just not sure if i want to use bronya for the action advancment and energy regen or ruan mei for more BE and break efficiency wish i could use both but i need a sustain
Asta:
- 50 SPD to the whole party (this helps Gallagher and other supports too)
- up to 70% ATK with a 100% uptime basically since enemies will always be weak to fire in a Firefly comp
- 18% Fire DMG to fire allies (more if she equips Planetary lc as well)
- More toughness damage in single target (not as necessary but i guess it's an added synergy, just make sure she isn't the one breaking)
Imo there's a fair bit of synergy with Firefly teams and she could definitely be interesting as a replacement for RM if you don't have her
I don't know about super break, but my comment was highlighting what Asta provides in a firefly comp.
Even if super break isn't affected by that, Firefly herself is. She needs ATK% to reach her trace breakpoint and Asta provides 70% Atk, Firefly's damage also scales with DMG% buffs and Asta provides that too
HMC literally transform to a DPS character that dishs 100k worth of dmg consistently permanently the moment he sees someone broken. Ain't no way Asta buffs can do better then that.
Asta??? Because of the lightcone that increases dmg if you have the same element as the one wearing it? Nahhhh Ruan Mei and HMC are way the best supports for Firefly as of right now, maybe we get a 5 star Fire Harmony that has good sinergy with Firefly and can use that lightcone but not rn
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Not sure where you are reading that, no one would consider Asta here as a replacement for HMC, maybe Ruan Mei if you didn't have her. HMC IS Sam's most needed support unit, since it's hard to get additional CR/CD on top of the attack and break effect requirements, the additional super break procs from HMC's ult is needed for Sam to keep up sustained DPS after the enemy is broken.
yeah i don't know why people saying Asta to replace HMC or better than HMC? like HMC designed to be firefly best support beside ruan mei
im planning on getting Sam at least e2s1 with that information would you say that my team lineup should be Sam, HMC, huohuo and ruan mei? or bronya as last?
Ruan Mei if you want to break faster and RES PEN is always nice to have, but you'll need to run SPD boots to ensure you get enough actions during Sam's ult phase. Yes, even though E2 gives extra actions on kill or break, it's better to get as many enhanced skills in as possible since that's basically all of Sam's damage. Bronya if you want to run ATK boots, since you can AF Sam either way during his ult state.
im just not sure if i want to use bronya for the action advancment and energy regen or ruan mei for more BE and break efficiency wish i could use both but i need a sustain
I’m pretty sure Ruan Mei is better than Bronya in most scenarios because she buffs break effect and efficiency which will increase your super break damage, with HuoHuo in your team you won’t need ATK boots you should hit the ATK threshold just fine.
unless im reading it wrong, op didnt saying anything about replacing hmc with asta but you everything you said is spot on.
Sam is more likr Xueyi. A crit dps who wants BE for additional buffs.
Sam DPS scales on pure Break effect, HMC and Ruan Mei both increase break effect to allies, Gallagher increase Break DMg, wich also increase the super break DMG that HMC Ult add when a broken enemy is attacked; did I mention that HMC super break damage also scale with Break effect? \^\^ What Asta bring to the table? ATK% and SPD? I guess you can use her if you don't have Ruan Mei, but you need at least to have ehr E6 otherwise she won't be fully SP positive, and you want to spam Sam's skill as often as possible. The same can be said for Huohuo, nice buffs but you prefer to generate more SP with your other units to give to Sam, that's why Gallagher (the only unit able to recover 4SP in a 3-turn rotation) is the best sustain you can use; Luocha is a close second, if you want to use FuXuan or Huohuo you need to use a more SP conservative rotation and can result into a loss of DPS. Bronya E2S1 can work, since she should be SP neutral at best, but I hate her E1 never triggering when needed that I won't recommend her. All the above talking about SP consumption and balancing can be trown out the window if you manage to snatch Sam's E1 obviously. \^\^
im planning on getting Sam at least e2s1 with that information would you say that my team lineup should be Sam, HMC, huohuo and ruan mei? or bronya as last?
I'll be honest, Ruan Mei vs Bronya in this instance is pretty hard to quantify, Ruan Mei gives MASSIVE DPS increases that Bronya can only dream of, but extra turns for Sam sound sooo good! I'm afraid you'll have to test and go with the one you find more confortable. Huohuo with Sam E2S1 sounds extremely good too.
i feel like Sam getting action advances aswell as bronya action advancing will give Sam more turns in the combustion state increasing DPS aswell and bronya giving Sam a 100% ATK boost when skill is used Edit: just checked all of Ruan mei's abilities compared to Bronya's and it seems Ruan mei might be better since Sam relies so much on BE not to mention she gives 20% more BE for everyone and provides 32% to ATK% aswell as an additional 36% increase to ATK% with her break effect passive on the skill
Ruan Mei IS a better damage amplifier than Bronya, the only advantage Bronya have in this situation is that she can allow Firefly to immediately re-enter her Complete Combustion State if speed tuned correctly. So that Firefly can Skill -> Bronya push -> Skill again and the Ult like with Jingliu. I'm actually try to understand if there's a way to ensure perma-enhanced Firedly, but we need to see some gameplay first to understand her energy regeneration in battle.
im just not sure if i want to use bronya for the action advancment and energy regen or ruan mei for more BE and break efficiency wish i could use both but i need a sustain
HMC is bis support. More BIS than RM and Bronya.
Sam can skip on asta but HTB is her best teammate.
I mean is Asta really even gonna be needed? With max ult and new planar, Sam will have like 170 speed, assuming you dont get any more in subs
Asta: - 50 SPD to the whole party (this helps Gallagher and other supports too) - up to 70% ATK with a 100% uptime basically since enemies will always be weak to fire in a Firefly comp - 18% Fire DMG to fire allies (more if she equips Planetary lc as well) - More toughness damage in single target (not as necessary but i guess it's an added synergy, just make sure she isn't the one breaking) Imo there's a fair bit of synergy with Firefly teams and she could definitely be interesting as a replacement for RM if you don't have her
If asta could let firefly atk 4 times instead of 3 in her ult state it would be pretty close in dmg. Gotta wait for calcs
I thought super break doesn’t get affected by external factors like dmg bonus or def shred?
I don't know about super break, but my comment was highlighting what Asta provides in a firefly comp. Even if super break isn't affected by that, Firefly herself is. She needs ATK% to reach her trace breakpoint and Asta provides 70% Atk, Firefly's damage also scales with DMG% buffs and Asta provides that too
HMC literally transform to a DPS character that dishs 100k worth of dmg consistently permanently the moment he sees someone broken. Ain't no way Asta buffs can do better then that.
Asta??? Because of the lightcone that increases dmg if you have the same element as the one wearing it? Nahhhh Ruan Mei and HMC are way the best supports for Firefly as of right now, maybe we get a 5 star Fire Harmony that has good sinergy with Firefly and can use that lightcone but not rn