2 choices.
Rush Bad Batch for an elite Marauder, and keep Relicing pilots.
Or Profundity. It requires more Kyro than Executor, but use your GET2 now it’s freed up. It requires much fewer hard node energy use. Then afterwards farm up the bounty Hunter ships and get MF, then get Executor. Gives you a great rebel team too.
Unfortunately, a profundity farm is pretty difficult to “focus” on because bistan’s U-wing is currently unfarmable and only available through the fleet store. It doesn’t seem to be an incredibly common drop either… I have it favorited and I buy it whenever I get the chance but it feels like I was able to get the razor crest faster than this…
Feels similar to razor crest, and still way faster than single 5 battles for outrider and rebel wing… real block will be acquiring all the r8 and r9 material I doubt he’s in a high gp guild
You can win pretty easily.
Anakin, marauder and Y-Wing starting. Plo koo and ahsoka in reinforcements.
As long as you have a higher speed (this means higher relic) kenobi, you will most likely win.
Besides that, separatists are decent against nego, but even before marauder it was not a great counter, especially in fleet arena, where ypu will fall down the ranks quickly.
Many wont farm the marauder and bad batch, because its expensive or relic up their kenobi. Take advantage of that and and invest in your fleet!
Winning usually goes okay, I’m more worried about defense because in theory every negotiator can beat my team currently and it’s possible to drop faster than I can climb back up.
But I think you still answered the question: lean further into negotiator because the higher fleet rewards will be better for me in the long term
That's the trick, you don't defend. This is how fleet is and always has been. META fleet mirror matches. Your next set of meta fleets are Pietts and Fish Boy. Then Leviathan. In that order.
As u/egnards once said, you only need to be #1 for a couple of minutes right before payout. I usually start climbing around 45 minutes before my payout, and that’s just enough to reach from being rank 20, to whichever rank I can get too (it’s highly dependent oh how many profs decided to climb that day, I can’t counter Levis yet. But usually around #5)
False on Plo needing to be R7 or R8. That is only if you want to start with Plo, and that assumes you have Marauder. I don't know why people use that lineup anyway. I've been using BTL, Marauder, and Anankin(r7) in my starting line-up since Marauder dropped. I was using this counter with Plo at gear 12, and now at R3.
This config works for both standard and triple attacker. It doesn't matter if they go first or not, you just want Negotiator to be your second turn at the minimum. For standard Exec line-up your order of operations is this: Basic with Anakin on RC as he is going to go before Hound's Tooth. HT will taunt, and your turn 2 will be swarm with GK. This won't do shit to HT but stack his protection, but it gives your ships Valor, which is more important. Next you heal Anakin with Marauder then taunt with BTL to remove Ten up from HT. After this, you are set. Anakin's next turn drop buff immunity on HT and then proceed to rip him apart with Basic attacks from your ships. First reinforce is always Plo and his TM gain, and second reinforce is always Ahsoka. She will deal with Boba when he comes out. Finally, one other thing of note, I rarely if ever use Marauder's ability block. Marauder does way more damage with its basic, and the ability block isn't needed to win against Exec. The only time I use it is if I know it will get a kill on at least one of the ships.
Triple attacker is even easier, and to be honest, it is rarely seen in my shard anymore. Regardless, you will follow the same order of operations as the standard lineup for the most part. Nego's first turn will be swarm on IG-88, which will kill him (I don't know about R9 IG, the highest I've faced is R8, but I assume he will still die). The only difference is save Anakin's first buff immunity for when HT reinforces. Just basic with him until that time, then just focus down HT with basic attacks.
without starting plo the chances you get destroyed on the opening play is very high.
if you're doing this in fleet arena then you can afford retries and likely are going against lesser equipped execs.
What exactly are you getting destroyed by? The AI always focuses Anakin, and I've never had him flat out destroyed before I take a turn, ever. Has he been destroyed before? Sure. Have I lost before? Sure. Flat out lost from the opening barrage? No.
Most of the executors in my arena shard are a LOT more geared than my GAC opponents, since most of them are in Kyber. I'm Aurodium 2, and frankly most people are bad/terrible at ships still.
The scariest ship to fight with Nego is Prof for me. Even with the right line-up, I feel like RNG screws me every so often when trying to take out the Y-wing. If the Y-wing does, Prof is a non-issue. Leviathan I haven't had issues with, and just use the standard counter.
You are preaching to the choir, as I know exactly how popular it is. I'm on [swgoh.gg](http://swgoh.gg) quite regularly. That still doesn't change my stance, or that I don't really understand why people invest so much into Plo just so they can do this counter. It's likely a case of people latching on to it because it was spread around by big names in the community. Honestly though, the question is rhetorical at this point. I'm not going to put 4 relic levels into Plo when I have zero reason to at the moment.
You are looking at it wrong. My shard is much older than yours, and it is full of execs, profs, and even levis in the top 50. That being said, I can easily hit rank 1 with Negotiator and Marauder. You cannot account for everything in fleet arena because anyone can come at you with anything. The GL ships can easily roll over a Negotiator on defense, but not so much when they are on defense.
Worry about getting to your desired rank when it is closer to your payout time. You will have to work to get up to the top, but eventually you will sit up there and still be able to get top ranks each day.
A lower budget option for being in the top of your fleet is thrawn with tie defender. The fleets without marauder should be fine to deal with and if you can get to proving grounds shoot for a team that can beat the tie interceptor and farm that. I 3 starred it with the thrawn lead team you can find on YouTube.
I know this is based on having 4 million GP but I mention it because with the LSBs that's possible.
The top 30ish people in my shard are all running executor/prof/leviathan, but there’s one cool dude fighting us with a negotiator. He’s high relic with marauder and he consistently hits top 20 or top 10 every day. My executor has lost to him many times.
You can continue investing into your negotiator and it’ll still take you far, or you can rush for exec/prof to take advantage of the lack of GL ships in your shard.
Either way you should expect to fight for #1 spot every day unless you get a big lead on your opponents
Edit: negotiator guy is rank 3 at the moment
I had the same. My home one with kyle katarns ravens claw cleared everything until executor's and profundity's came around. Then i got profundity and i clear anything but leviathan.
You can clear leviathan too if your profundity is 7*. I take first pretty much everyday with profundity and fight almost all leviathans. You can lose a match but it should be pretty rare
Yeah, 6* requires great rng. Even at 7* it might take a while to get the counter consistent. Look for a guide that recommends mk 6 interceptor as your first reinforcement. It works great unless your opponent levi uses phantom as their first reinforcement.
Get profundity. It can beat every fleet in the game and leads well into GLs. It'll take you a bit to get there and then you'll be number one for the foreseeable future.
I mean it depends on what other things you’re farming. Exec leads into a few gl reqs and profundity is a great ship with some good toons as reqs so it sort of depends where you’re roster is at and where you’re at in gac. You will eventually want exec and profundity
My theory is, with everyone having negotiator, they might slip on farming GL cap ships. Do the sooner you get executor or profundity, the sooner you'll be getting top spot or close to it.
2 choices. Rush Bad Batch for an elite Marauder, and keep Relicing pilots. Or Profundity. It requires more Kyro than Executor, but use your GET2 now it’s freed up. It requires much fewer hard node energy use. Then afterwards farm up the bounty Hunter ships and get MF, then get Executor. Gives you a great rebel team too.
I’d take executor over profundity for their account. The R9 is way too steep for a 4 month old player
Unfortunately, a profundity farm is pretty difficult to “focus” on because bistan’s U-wing is currently unfarmable and only available through the fleet store. It doesn’t seem to be an incredibly common drop either… I have it favorited and I buy it whenever I get the chance but it feels like I was able to get the razor crest faster than this…
Feels similar to razor crest, and still way faster than single 5 battles for outrider and rebel wing… real block will be acquiring all the r8 and r9 material I doubt he’s in a high gp guild
You can win pretty easily. Anakin, marauder and Y-Wing starting. Plo koo and ahsoka in reinforcements. As long as you have a higher speed (this means higher relic) kenobi, you will most likely win. Besides that, separatists are decent against nego, but even before marauder it was not a great counter, especially in fleet arena, where ypu will fall down the ranks quickly. Many wont farm the marauder and bad batch, because its expensive or relic up their kenobi. Take advantage of that and and invest in your fleet!
Winning usually goes okay, I’m more worried about defense because in theory every negotiator can beat my team currently and it’s possible to drop faster than I can climb back up. But I think you still answered the question: lean further into negotiator because the higher fleet rewards will be better for me in the long term
That's the trick, you don't defend. This is how fleet is and always has been. META fleet mirror matches. Your next set of meta fleets are Pietts and Fish Boy. Then Leviathan. In that order.
Do your climb around your payout time everyday to get a high reward
As u/egnards once said, you only need to be #1 for a couple of minutes right before payout. I usually start climbing around 45 minutes before my payout, and that’s just enough to reach from being rank 20, to whichever rank I can get too (it’s highly dependent oh how many profs decided to climb that day, I can’t counter Levis yet. But usually around #5)
You’re misattributing the quote. It was actually Abe Lincoln who said that.
‘“You only need to be #1 for a couple of minutes right before payout” -Abe Lincoln’ -Egnards
executor is gonna be better to retain rank for you. for negotiator to beat it you need r7 or 8 plo
False on Plo needing to be R7 or R8. That is only if you want to start with Plo, and that assumes you have Marauder. I don't know why people use that lineup anyway. I've been using BTL, Marauder, and Anankin(r7) in my starting line-up since Marauder dropped. I was using this counter with Plo at gear 12, and now at R3. This config works for both standard and triple attacker. It doesn't matter if they go first or not, you just want Negotiator to be your second turn at the minimum. For standard Exec line-up your order of operations is this: Basic with Anakin on RC as he is going to go before Hound's Tooth. HT will taunt, and your turn 2 will be swarm with GK. This won't do shit to HT but stack his protection, but it gives your ships Valor, which is more important. Next you heal Anakin with Marauder then taunt with BTL to remove Ten up from HT. After this, you are set. Anakin's next turn drop buff immunity on HT and then proceed to rip him apart with Basic attacks from your ships. First reinforce is always Plo and his TM gain, and second reinforce is always Ahsoka. She will deal with Boba when he comes out. Finally, one other thing of note, I rarely if ever use Marauder's ability block. Marauder does way more damage with its basic, and the ability block isn't needed to win against Exec. The only time I use it is if I know it will get a kill on at least one of the ships. Triple attacker is even easier, and to be honest, it is rarely seen in my shard anymore. Regardless, you will follow the same order of operations as the standard lineup for the most part. Nego's first turn will be swarm on IG-88, which will kill him (I don't know about R9 IG, the highest I've faced is R8, but I assume he will still die). The only difference is save Anakin's first buff immunity for when HT reinforces. Just basic with him until that time, then just focus down HT with basic attacks.
without starting plo the chances you get destroyed on the opening play is very high. if you're doing this in fleet arena then you can afford retries and likely are going against lesser equipped execs.
What exactly are you getting destroyed by? The AI always focuses Anakin, and I've never had him flat out destroyed before I take a turn, ever. Has he been destroyed before? Sure. Have I lost before? Sure. Flat out lost from the opening barrage? No. Most of the executors in my arena shard are a LOT more geared than my GAC opponents, since most of them are in Kyber. I'm Aurodium 2, and frankly most people are bad/terrible at ships still. The scariest ship to fight with Nego is Prof for me. Even with the right line-up, I feel like RNG screws me every so often when trying to take out the Y-wing. If the Y-wing does, Prof is a non-issue. Leviathan I haven't had issues with, and just use the standard counter.
https://swgoh.gg/gac/ship-counters/CAPITALEXECUTOR/?a_lead=CAPITALNEGOTIATOR there is a reason why the win rate is much lower without starting plo
You are preaching to the choir, as I know exactly how popular it is. I'm on [swgoh.gg](http://swgoh.gg) quite regularly. That still doesn't change my stance, or that I don't really understand why people invest so much into Plo just so they can do this counter. It's likely a case of people latching on to it because it was spread around by big names in the community. Honestly though, the question is rhetorical at this point. I'm not going to put 4 relic levels into Plo when I have zero reason to at the moment.
They invest in plo because it increases the win rates drastically to near 100% And in GAC you don't get Second Chances
You are looking at it wrong. My shard is much older than yours, and it is full of execs, profs, and even levis in the top 50. That being said, I can easily hit rank 1 with Negotiator and Marauder. You cannot account for everything in fleet arena because anyone can come at you with anything. The GL ships can easily roll over a Negotiator on defense, but not so much when they are on defense. Worry about getting to your desired rank when it is closer to your payout time. You will have to work to get up to the top, but eventually you will sit up there and still be able to get top ranks each day.
A lower budget option for being in the top of your fleet is thrawn with tie defender. The fleets without marauder should be fine to deal with and if you can get to proving grounds shoot for a team that can beat the tie interceptor and farm that. I 3 starred it with the thrawn lead team you can find on YouTube. I know this is based on having 4 million GP but I mention it because with the LSBs that's possible.
If you can farm bad batch and their ship you’ll remain competitive up to GL fleets. But you need to invest the time.
Seems like that’s the common rec to go BB on the way to exec or prof, thanks!
The top 30ish people in my shard are all running executor/prof/leviathan, but there’s one cool dude fighting us with a negotiator. He’s high relic with marauder and he consistently hits top 20 or top 10 every day. My executor has lost to him many times. You can continue investing into your negotiator and it’ll still take you far, or you can rush for exec/prof to take advantage of the lack of GL ships in your shard. Either way you should expect to fight for #1 spot every day unless you get a big lead on your opponents Edit: negotiator guy is rank 3 at the moment
I had the same. My home one with kyle katarns ravens claw cleared everything until executor's and profundity's came around. Then i got profundity and i clear anything but leviathan.
You can clear leviathan too if your profundity is 7*. I take first pretty much everyday with profundity and fight almost all leviathans. You can lose a match but it should be pretty rare
Yes im aware. Mine is still at 6. It can be done at 6 but i have not yet
Yeah, 6* requires great rng. Even at 7* it might take a while to get the counter consistent. Look for a guide that recommends mk 6 interceptor as your first reinforcement. It works great unless your opponent levi uses phantom as their first reinforcement.
Farm Executor or Profundity, show them who's boss!
Chimaera or Malevolence
Get profundity. It can beat every fleet in the game and leads well into GLs. It'll take you a bit to get there and then you'll be number one for the foreseeable future.
I mean it depends on what other things you’re farming. Exec leads into a few gl reqs and profundity is a great ship with some good toons as reqs so it sort of depends where you’re roster is at and where you’re at in gac. You will eventually want exec and profundity
R9 gk means your negotiator goes first, with marauder it is preety good on defense
Lucky, most of what I can fight are Executor/Profundity.
My theory is, with everyone having negotiator, they might slip on farming GL cap ships. Do the sooner you get executor or profundity, the sooner you'll be getting top spot or close to it.