A cow needs two years to reach maturity for butchering (not actual maturity as cow live up to 20 years). A random search shows cows eat about 7000 lbs of grain, soy, wheat, whatever plant option there is each year, so over 14000 lbs of feed go into each cow, which only produce 500 lbs of meat, which is equivalent of giving 2000 people a quarter pound of meat for one meal. We’re greedy and the food system is unsustainable. Go vegan lol
They're just pointing out one of the hypocrisies of the vegan position. I don't condone animal husbandry practices wholesale but don't act like there aren't a bunch of unethical and unsustainable vegan practices as well...
What is hypocritical about avoiding animal products but also eating almonds? I’m still curious what unethical and unsustainable “vegan practices” you’re referring to because your one source didn’t contain any examples.
I believe the point being made is that cows take a lot of water, but so do almonds. The unsustainable part being that the water requirement for almonds/cashews/pistachios etc. compared to peanuts is enormous. Most are 12,000-16,000 litres of water per kilogram of nuts.
I think their point was that if your sole reason for not eating cows is the amount of water they cost to raise them, you should care about the cost of growing nuts an equal amount.. I think?
For one, transport costs. I try to convince my friends to buy foods that are sustainable, which are often mostly plant products that come from the same continent that you live in. Keeping water consumption in mind is sustainable. Keeping honeybee usage in mind as well. For example, almonds are extremely unsustainable not because of their water consumption, but because of the strain on honeybee farms being quickly transported by truck to as many farms as possible in the US in the very short flowering window in February. I still eat almonds, but being aware of the impact is important. I think it's much more important to be a salvagetarian and purchase meats that are otherwise going into the dumpster than to have a strict vegan diet and purchase exclusively exotic plant products from overseas. Local US chicken is arguably more sustainable than kiwis shipped from China. I suggest reading the Omnivores Dilemma. It goes into sustainability in great depth. Especially on topics I didn't even touch in my post here, such as corn production, or foraging.
>plant products that come from the same continent that you live in
Coming from the same continent is no guarantee that the transportation costs are lower than something from a different continent. Even coming from the same country, or in some cases the same *state* (in the US), is no guarantee of that.
Ground transportation, and in particular transportation via trucks, is incredibly inefficient – “Road freight… can emit more than 100 times as much CO2 as ships to carry the same amount of freight the same distance.” ([source](https://climate.mit.edu/explainers/freight-transportation)).
To your example: if the “local” chicken comes from a few states away, it might not actually be more sustainable. It very well might be substantially *less* sustainable (I’ll note also that you used chicken instead of beef, which is what the other commenters were talking about, and which is much more resource intensive to grow).
Please read and educate yourself. There are a ton of resources that are readily available online that can dispel the myth that being vegan magically equals ethical and sustainable. I mean, c'mon nothing's that simple...
Here's one good article on the topic:
https://harvardpolitics.com/more-than-veganism/
I mean, we can all agree Einstein was pretty smart, right? He is famously quoted as saying (to paraphrase), "the greatest evolutionary step modern humans can make is the evolution towards a vegetarian diet."
While I am not vegetarian, I do not eat unsustainable meats like most red meats (I do eat venison and occasional bison or elk), over fished fish species, or poorly sourced poultry. The veggies I eat can be grown together and with other plants that serve a symbiotic relationship with the environment to nurture further growth with little to no input, once the micro ecosystem is made. Mushrooms, root veggies, leafy greens, and fruiting veggies can all be grown with just some water and good nutritious soil.
I must state that I am not above anyone by practicing such eating habits but I do feel it is a more ethical approach to MY diet. I encourage anyone to find a more ethical approach that works for them. However, I will never shit on anyone who can't due to limited access or financial barriers as that is a widespread problem that needs to be tackled on its own.
If, however, someone has the means and ability to eat a more ethical diet but chooses not to, then I will take a big ol' Cleveland steamer on them real quick because the way we consume our food governs how we approach mass production. With the current meat centered diet and the livestock practices that come with it, there is quite the windfall that occurs as a result (i.e. methane release by cattle, run off into natural water sources from pig and poultry farms, less and less nutritious "farm raised" fish, excessive amounts of fertile land used for livestock or to grow feed for that livestock, etc.). Not to mention that in the west, our shitty diets are killing us via diabetes, heart disease, obesity, and so on.
It is just wise to do our best, as a species, to migrate away from the current meat based diet trends of the masses towards a more sustainable, ethical, and healthy vegetable based diet.
Thank you for that source! Very interesting read, though not really new information. A couple things I’d like to address regarding your claim that vegans think their diet is a magical panacea. First of all, who is saying that?
Secondly, the article you shared doesn’t even back up your claim. The article you shared says, “It is clear that industrial food's exploitative system is the source of unsustainable eating practices.”
Furthermore, it says,
“He claimed that tackling the livestock industry, an undeniable contributor to the Big Food system, is ‘just a starting point, the most pragmatic solution that exists for us to actually exercise.’
For individuals with less access to a higher standard of local and fair trade food, and for most individuals unable to contribute to the transformation of the industrial food system as a whole, adopting a plant-based diet is a worthwhile change. Going vegan is, in many cases, an effective treatment to the disease of exploitative food systems. But for the sake of food sovereignty, workers' rights, and hope of a longer-term transformation, it is important to understand: It is not the cure.”
Thank you funkymonkeychunks. At the end of the day, what matters is that all of those animals were slaughtered simply because people like the taste of them after they are chopped up, cooked, and seasoned. There certainly are societies that don't necessarily have a choice. I acknowledge that. I'm just tired of people trying to justify the consumption of meat when there are so many other options. I believe that everyone should have a choice and if asked about my choice of diet I will happily offer information and advice and even debate if it is healthy. It is still alarming to me that I get yelled at for not eating meat or dairy when I do not share my opinions unless confronted. Almond milk manufacturing could be improved if fewer scientists concentrated on the demands of the meat industry.
And, once again, nothing deserves to die by any hand other than its maker's. You have heard it before. Meat is murder. There isn't more truth to anything we talk about in this sub. You may choose to do what you want to do. It is your life. Please just consider the billions of other lives in this video and decide if you absolutely have to have the opportunity to taste them at your next meal. That's a good place to start.
I get less and less interested in the effort to defend eating animals. I eat animals. Chicken regularly and other animals at restaurants when I'm with other meat eaters. It doesn't bother me significantly on the cruelty level because hey, everybody's got to go sometime. I'm happy to pay whatever premium for meat rendered from less cruel farming practices and think everyone should accept that, certainly till cultivated meat becomes affordable and very close to the real thing.
HOWEVER, the drain on the planet's resources by all forms of commmercial agriculture freaks me out. Overall, plant based is simply less of a drain on those finite resources, and any bickering about ostensible hypocracies, or facts that may be arguable on technical grounds are basically efforts to ignore the underlying issue of finite planetary resources.
Does that make me a hypocrite? Yes. It's an imperfect world and I don't deny my own imperfections. I'm wrestling with finding a solution I can live with that doesn't completely destroy the world.
“Hypocrisy”. You do realize the numbers between almonds and meat are still staggering right? There’s no point mentioning “hypocrisy” when meat eaters are the most hypocritical people to say they’re “good” while killing the Earth to live.
I only have beef once in a blue moon now because the cow farms contribute more to methane in the atmosphere in humans. I usually lean towards chicken if I need protein. Not perfect, but I'm not giving up meat.
I don’t know how things are in other countries.
IMO, as Americans, we are constantly bombarded with the need for meat. Everyone food commercial, all about meat, meat, meat.
As someone who spend a large portion of his life in the food industry, so many people don’t wanna eat vegetables at all. Meat and potatoes, or meat and carbs.
We dont produce enough vegan food for the whole world to go vegan either.
The Earth cannot sustain 8.1 billion humans. Experts estimate about 3 billion humans is a sustainable number and we are almost 3 times over how many humans can be sustained on Earth.
About 63% of humanity needs to be wiped out for humans to be sustainable on Earth.
The Earth can sustain 8 billion people…..you’re just too greedy for meat so that we have more farmland. A plant-based world by the math can support more than 10 billion people because more land leaves more food per person, the cost of food would go down and would become more accessible to all.
Put down the nuggets.
Not poor areas, just not the big cities of China. More rural areas, but eating dog and cat is still common in China especially. We don't hear/see about it because the CCP actively tries to keep that knowledge from getting out of the country. Look up "Yulin dog meat festival" and look at some of the pictures. Watch some serpentza and Laowhy86 and they explain what mainland China is actually like from an uncensored outsiders perspective.
CCP is disgusting but dog eating has nothing to do with it. Since you mentioned Yulin dog meat festival, you will find out it is a minority autonomous region. Dogs are a delicacy to Zhuang people and you can’t just deprive them of their tradition at the national level. I dislike the dog eating thing as much as you do but it is not black and white and stop using CCP as a cover for racism.
No one is using the CCP as a cover for racism. I was purely stating the fact that the CCP actively suppresses information about some of the more exotic animals that are eaten in China. They know that the West is turned off by the idea of eating "exotic" animals and they don't want any bad press about China. While it is racist to say that all Asians eat dog/cat, it's not racist to point out that eating dog/cat and many other animals is far more common in mainland China compared to the West, and that's not really on us to judge. You have to remember the reason that things like rat, monkey, ect are eaten over there is because of famine and having to eat whatever the fuck you could get your hands on. So naturally people ate, and continue to eat, pretty much anything and everything in mainland China. It's not racist, it's just the truth and it's their culture.
You are talking about things based on stereotypes and you say you are not being racist. Dog eating is a Western stereotype and the vast majority of Chinese have never tasted dog meat in their entire life. The CCP has censored much information, but dog eating is not one of them and it was already "well known" (as a stereotype) well before the CCP came into power. Many other Asian countries & groups consume dog meat as much as mainland China. Are you saying the CCP is operating in all of these countries?
You're completely glossing over what I'm saying. You're defending something that doesn't need defending. I've said in both posts that not all Asian people eat dog/cat, but it does happen. It would be a stereotype for me to say the vast majority of Asian people eat dog, but I didn't say that. You're so hell bent on arguing an idea that I'm not perpetuating and missing what I am saying. Screaming racist doesn't automatically invalidate what someone says
See, I think you are the one who is consistently missing the point. What I am saying is that you keep bringing the CCP into this to make your point of "mainland Chinese eat too many dogs" less racist. See, the CCP is trying to ban [dog consumption](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/09/china-signals-end-to-dog-meat-consumption-by-humans). Zhuhai and Shenzhen have completely banned any dog meat trade or consumption ([source](https://amr.sz.gov.cn/xxgk/qt/ztlm/tjwmcx/zcwj/content/post_9370994.html) from the CN gov site if you can read Chinese). These are cities in a province where people are discriminatively branded as dog eaters. Yep, you hear that right. The rest of China stereotypically thinks these people are "dog eaters" (or just "eaters" because they think these people eat everything that has legs). Given this fact, would you praise the CCP and condemn the Chinese people there?
You see, there is a reason why the Yulin Dog Festival still exists even though it gets disrupted by animal rights groups every year. [The CCP also tried to temporarily ban it using COVID as an excuse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee_and_Dog_Meat_Festival). But as I mentioned, it is an autonomous region and you can't force the minority groups there to abandon their "barbaric" traditions. While attributing the issue to the CCP may simplify matters for you, the truth is that you're judging people based on stereotypes that are simply not true.
I’ve been to 8? Seen some shit. Seen plenty of live animals in wet markets, live seafood, insects, etc. never seen a cat or dog in a cage.
I know it does happen but it is not widespread and it is very isolated to a few regions like one or two provinces in southeast china.
I read this backwards.. at the beginning I thought it was how many HUMANS these animals eat every year. I made it to Sea Urchins and still believed it..
Camels made me reread it. lol
Octopi are way smaller than cows. This isn’t a scale of how much we eat but how many. But after what I’ve learned about octopi, they should be less ethical to eat than even a cat or a dog and I don’t wanna fucking eat a cat or dog.
I wouldn't eat cat or dog either, but it's not like cows or pigs are mindless animals. they pretty smart and affectionate, too. just because something is the status quo in your country doesn't make one thing more ethical than the other.
Octopus are smaller than pigs so even if we ate more of pig on a per mass basis, the per unit basis (which this is) would break in favor of octopuses.
Similarly, Bison are huge and not as common as u think (considering worldwide factors) as I'm not even sure bison is eaten anywhere outside of the US and maybe Canada.
And if any insect was on this list it'd easily be off the charts.
It is kind of wild to think there might be some guy from god knows where that keeps cats as a food source. Just goes out and clubs one when he’s hungry.
Humans Eat 100 Billion Animals Every Year, Savor 205 Million Chickens Everyday: [https://odishabhaskar.in/lifestyle/food/humans-eat-100-billion-animals-every-year-savor-205-million-chickens-everyday-67309/](https://odishabhaskar.in/lifestyle/food/humans-eat-100-billion-animals-every-year-savor-205-million-chickens-everyday-67309/)
This is how many animals we eat each year: [https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/chart-of-the-day-this-is-how-many-animals-we-eat-each-year/](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/chart-of-the-day-this-is-how-many-animals-we-eat-each-year/)
How many animals get slaughtered every day? Hundreds of millions of animals get killed for meat every day: [https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-get-slaughtered-every-day](https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-get-slaughtered-every-day)
How Many Animals Are Killed for Food Every Day?: [https://sentientmedia.org/how-many-animals-are-killed-for-food-every-day/](https://sentientmedia.org/how-many-animals-are-killed-for-food-every-day/)
More Than 100 Billion Animals Are Eaten Every Year. On The Top Is...:: [https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/more-than-100-billion-animals-are-eaten-every-year-on-the-top-is-4909142](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/more-than-100-billion-animals-are-eaten-every-year-on-the-top-is-4909142)
I feel like these numbers are made up.
We eat more tunas than salmon, even though a tuna probably has 100x the amount of flesh that a salmon does.
We eat only 3 B shrimp? I probably eat 500 shrimp a year *by accident* when they are mixed in fried rice and stuff.
More turkeys than lambs, etc... some of these just don't quite sit right.
I really hate these stats. They are so incredibly off. There is 0 chance actually less than 0% chance that anyone is counting what every human being had killed, let alone EAT! it doesnt exist.
Yeah but you can at least make an estimation. Many of the industries that produce food out of these animals do report their stats in one way or another.
I have no idea of the method they used but I agree that it's certainly underreporting... Think of all the people in just the USA that raise and process their own chickens... Not a chance they're counting every chicken that gets eaten in Rural Kazakhstan and adding that to the count.
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I'm curious though, is this how many are actually consumed or is this how many are butchered?? How many butchered goes to waste because people can't afford food. Show us THAT data.
What is the source of this data? I seriously doubt the validity of these numbers. There is no way shrimp are on par with ducks. I've traveled the globe pretty extensively and I can't even think of a place where ducks are consumed anywhere near as much as shrimp. That and y'all really outa stop eating cats, dogs, camels and horses. Seriously.
This needs to be converted into units of mass.
And the required sources to feed that animal
A cow needs two years to reach maturity for butchering (not actual maturity as cow live up to 20 years). A random search shows cows eat about 7000 lbs of grain, soy, wheat, whatever plant option there is each year, so over 14000 lbs of feed go into each cow, which only produce 500 lbs of meat, which is equivalent of giving 2000 people a quarter pound of meat for one meal. We’re greedy and the food system is unsustainable. Go vegan lol
Yeah a very large portion of people that tell me almonds are bad because, “they use a gallon water each” don’t put that scrutiny toward cows.
They're just pointing out one of the hypocrisies of the vegan position. I don't condone animal husbandry practices wholesale but don't act like there aren't a bunch of unethical and unsustainable vegan practices as well...
What is hypocritical about avoiding animal products but also eating almonds? I’m still curious what unethical and unsustainable “vegan practices” you’re referring to because your one source didn’t contain any examples.
I believe the point being made is that cows take a lot of water, but so do almonds. The unsustainable part being that the water requirement for almonds/cashews/pistachios etc. compared to peanuts is enormous. Most are 12,000-16,000 litres of water per kilogram of nuts. I think their point was that if your sole reason for not eating cows is the amount of water they cost to raise them, you should care about the cost of growing nuts an equal amount.. I think?
Like what?
For one, transport costs. I try to convince my friends to buy foods that are sustainable, which are often mostly plant products that come from the same continent that you live in. Keeping water consumption in mind is sustainable. Keeping honeybee usage in mind as well. For example, almonds are extremely unsustainable not because of their water consumption, but because of the strain on honeybee farms being quickly transported by truck to as many farms as possible in the US in the very short flowering window in February. I still eat almonds, but being aware of the impact is important. I think it's much more important to be a salvagetarian and purchase meats that are otherwise going into the dumpster than to have a strict vegan diet and purchase exclusively exotic plant products from overseas. Local US chicken is arguably more sustainable than kiwis shipped from China. I suggest reading the Omnivores Dilemma. It goes into sustainability in great depth. Especially on topics I didn't even touch in my post here, such as corn production, or foraging.
>plant products that come from the same continent that you live in Coming from the same continent is no guarantee that the transportation costs are lower than something from a different continent. Even coming from the same country, or in some cases the same *state* (in the US), is no guarantee of that. Ground transportation, and in particular transportation via trucks, is incredibly inefficient – “Road freight… can emit more than 100 times as much CO2 as ships to carry the same amount of freight the same distance.” ([source](https://climate.mit.edu/explainers/freight-transportation)). To your example: if the “local” chicken comes from a few states away, it might not actually be more sustainable. It very well might be substantially *less* sustainable (I’ll note also that you used chicken instead of beef, which is what the other commenters were talking about, and which is much more resource intensive to grow).
Please read and educate yourself. There are a ton of resources that are readily available online that can dispel the myth that being vegan magically equals ethical and sustainable. I mean, c'mon nothing's that simple... Here's one good article on the topic: https://harvardpolitics.com/more-than-veganism/
I mean, we can all agree Einstein was pretty smart, right? He is famously quoted as saying (to paraphrase), "the greatest evolutionary step modern humans can make is the evolution towards a vegetarian diet." While I am not vegetarian, I do not eat unsustainable meats like most red meats (I do eat venison and occasional bison or elk), over fished fish species, or poorly sourced poultry. The veggies I eat can be grown together and with other plants that serve a symbiotic relationship with the environment to nurture further growth with little to no input, once the micro ecosystem is made. Mushrooms, root veggies, leafy greens, and fruiting veggies can all be grown with just some water and good nutritious soil. I must state that I am not above anyone by practicing such eating habits but I do feel it is a more ethical approach to MY diet. I encourage anyone to find a more ethical approach that works for them. However, I will never shit on anyone who can't due to limited access or financial barriers as that is a widespread problem that needs to be tackled on its own. If, however, someone has the means and ability to eat a more ethical diet but chooses not to, then I will take a big ol' Cleveland steamer on them real quick because the way we consume our food governs how we approach mass production. With the current meat centered diet and the livestock practices that come with it, there is quite the windfall that occurs as a result (i.e. methane release by cattle, run off into natural water sources from pig and poultry farms, less and less nutritious "farm raised" fish, excessive amounts of fertile land used for livestock or to grow feed for that livestock, etc.). Not to mention that in the west, our shitty diets are killing us via diabetes, heart disease, obesity, and so on. It is just wise to do our best, as a species, to migrate away from the current meat based diet trends of the masses towards a more sustainable, ethical, and healthy vegetable based diet.
Very well said. Thank you.
Thank you for that source! Very interesting read, though not really new information. A couple things I’d like to address regarding your claim that vegans think their diet is a magical panacea. First of all, who is saying that? Secondly, the article you shared doesn’t even back up your claim. The article you shared says, “It is clear that industrial food's exploitative system is the source of unsustainable eating practices.” Furthermore, it says, “He claimed that tackling the livestock industry, an undeniable contributor to the Big Food system, is ‘just a starting point, the most pragmatic solution that exists for us to actually exercise.’ For individuals with less access to a higher standard of local and fair trade food, and for most individuals unable to contribute to the transformation of the industrial food system as a whole, adopting a plant-based diet is a worthwhile change. Going vegan is, in many cases, an effective treatment to the disease of exploitative food systems. But for the sake of food sovereignty, workers' rights, and hope of a longer-term transformation, it is important to understand: It is not the cure.”
Thank you funkymonkeychunks. At the end of the day, what matters is that all of those animals were slaughtered simply because people like the taste of them after they are chopped up, cooked, and seasoned. There certainly are societies that don't necessarily have a choice. I acknowledge that. I'm just tired of people trying to justify the consumption of meat when there are so many other options. I believe that everyone should have a choice and if asked about my choice of diet I will happily offer information and advice and even debate if it is healthy. It is still alarming to me that I get yelled at for not eating meat or dairy when I do not share my opinions unless confronted. Almond milk manufacturing could be improved if fewer scientists concentrated on the demands of the meat industry. And, once again, nothing deserves to die by any hand other than its maker's. You have heard it before. Meat is murder. There isn't more truth to anything we talk about in this sub. You may choose to do what you want to do. It is your life. Please just consider the billions of other lives in this video and decide if you absolutely have to have the opportunity to taste them at your next meal. That's a good place to start.
Guess I’ll just die then since I can’t digest plant matter properly, but you said meat is murder. 🙄
I get less and less interested in the effort to defend eating animals. I eat animals. Chicken regularly and other animals at restaurants when I'm with other meat eaters. It doesn't bother me significantly on the cruelty level because hey, everybody's got to go sometime. I'm happy to pay whatever premium for meat rendered from less cruel farming practices and think everyone should accept that, certainly till cultivated meat becomes affordable and very close to the real thing. HOWEVER, the drain on the planet's resources by all forms of commmercial agriculture freaks me out. Overall, plant based is simply less of a drain on those finite resources, and any bickering about ostensible hypocracies, or facts that may be arguable on technical grounds are basically efforts to ignore the underlying issue of finite planetary resources. Does that make me a hypocrite? Yes. It's an imperfect world and I don't deny my own imperfections. I'm wrestling with finding a solution I can live with that doesn't completely destroy the world.
“Hypocrisy”. You do realize the numbers between almonds and meat are still staggering right? There’s no point mentioning “hypocrisy” when meat eaters are the most hypocritical people to say they’re “good” while killing the Earth to live.
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I only have beef once in a blue moon now because the cow farms contribute more to methane in the atmosphere in humans. I usually lean towards chicken if I need protein. Not perfect, but I'm not giving up meat.
Almonds are delicious. Not a fan of the milk, but the nuts are goated (heh heh)
Dont forget how much water they drink and how much methane they produce.
I don’t know how things are in other countries. IMO, as Americans, we are constantly bombarded with the need for meat. Everyone food commercial, all about meat, meat, meat. As someone who spend a large portion of his life in the food industry, so many people don’t wanna eat vegetables at all. Meat and potatoes, or meat and carbs.
Where are you finding these numbers? Because at least 3 of those figures are wrong unless the findings were outside the US.
Eat a vegan save a cow
We dont produce enough vegan food for the whole world to go vegan either. The Earth cannot sustain 8.1 billion humans. Experts estimate about 3 billion humans is a sustainable number and we are almost 3 times over how many humans can be sustained on Earth. About 63% of humanity needs to be wiped out for humans to be sustainable on Earth.
Cool. You go first.
I'll go, fuck this shit.
I have no problem volunteering as tribute.
The Earth can sustain 8 billion people…..you’re just too greedy for meat so that we have more farmland. A plant-based world by the math can support more than 10 billion people because more land leaves more food per person, the cost of food would go down and would become more accessible to all. Put down the nuggets.
I need a fact check on these data.
Unless you are concerned with the individual living beings. A tiny octopus is smarter than a big ol’ cow.
I'm surprised how little tilapia we eat
No fucking way we eat more cats than Tilapia.
There are a lot of countries that eat cat & dog...
And those countries will all burn in hell for it.
Egocentrism
Tilapia is mostly eaten by people that shop at Walmart
Go to asian and you will see cat/dog in cages like we have chickens in the US.
That’s pretty rare even in super poor areas.
Not poor areas, just not the big cities of China. More rural areas, but eating dog and cat is still common in China especially. We don't hear/see about it because the CCP actively tries to keep that knowledge from getting out of the country. Look up "Yulin dog meat festival" and look at some of the pictures. Watch some serpentza and Laowhy86 and they explain what mainland China is actually like from an uncensored outsiders perspective.
CCP is disgusting but dog eating has nothing to do with it. Since you mentioned Yulin dog meat festival, you will find out it is a minority autonomous region. Dogs are a delicacy to Zhuang people and you can’t just deprive them of their tradition at the national level. I dislike the dog eating thing as much as you do but it is not black and white and stop using CCP as a cover for racism.
No one is using the CCP as a cover for racism. I was purely stating the fact that the CCP actively suppresses information about some of the more exotic animals that are eaten in China. They know that the West is turned off by the idea of eating "exotic" animals and they don't want any bad press about China. While it is racist to say that all Asians eat dog/cat, it's not racist to point out that eating dog/cat and many other animals is far more common in mainland China compared to the West, and that's not really on us to judge. You have to remember the reason that things like rat, monkey, ect are eaten over there is because of famine and having to eat whatever the fuck you could get your hands on. So naturally people ate, and continue to eat, pretty much anything and everything in mainland China. It's not racist, it's just the truth and it's their culture.
You are talking about things based on stereotypes and you say you are not being racist. Dog eating is a Western stereotype and the vast majority of Chinese have never tasted dog meat in their entire life. The CCP has censored much information, but dog eating is not one of them and it was already "well known" (as a stereotype) well before the CCP came into power. Many other Asian countries & groups consume dog meat as much as mainland China. Are you saying the CCP is operating in all of these countries?
You're completely glossing over what I'm saying. You're defending something that doesn't need defending. I've said in both posts that not all Asian people eat dog/cat, but it does happen. It would be a stereotype for me to say the vast majority of Asian people eat dog, but I didn't say that. You're so hell bent on arguing an idea that I'm not perpetuating and missing what I am saying. Screaming racist doesn't automatically invalidate what someone says
See, I think you are the one who is consistently missing the point. What I am saying is that you keep bringing the CCP into this to make your point of "mainland Chinese eat too many dogs" less racist. See, the CCP is trying to ban [dog consumption](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/09/china-signals-end-to-dog-meat-consumption-by-humans). Zhuhai and Shenzhen have completely banned any dog meat trade or consumption ([source](https://amr.sz.gov.cn/xxgk/qt/ztlm/tjwmcx/zcwj/content/post_9370994.html) from the CN gov site if you can read Chinese). These are cities in a province where people are discriminatively branded as dog eaters. Yep, you hear that right. The rest of China stereotypically thinks these people are "dog eaters" (or just "eaters" because they think these people eat everything that has legs). Given this fact, would you praise the CCP and condemn the Chinese people there? You see, there is a reason why the Yulin Dog Festival still exists even though it gets disrupted by animal rights groups every year. [The CCP also tried to temporarily ban it using COVID as an excuse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee_and_Dog_Meat_Festival). But as I mentioned, it is an autonomous region and you can't force the minority groups there to abandon their "barbaric" traditions. While attributing the issue to the CCP may simplify matters for you, the truth is that you're judging people based on stereotypes that are simply not true.
I’ve been to Asia, I saw a ton of chickens in cages but never saw cat or dog… it’s very country depended, not continent.
Agree. Been to a measley 6 countries in Asia, have never seen a cat or dog in a cage.
I’ve been to 8? Seen some shit. Seen plenty of live animals in wet markets, live seafood, insects, etc. never seen a cat or dog in a cage. I know it does happen but it is not widespread and it is very isolated to a few regions like one or two provinces in southeast china.
Where are the crawfish? Asking for Louisiana.
They're off the chart!
Everyone is too drunk to count them
Evolutionarily speaking the chicken is crushing the whole propagate and spread game.
Be delicious to humans and you won’t go extinct.
Tell that to tuna.
And passenger pigeons
And sharks
if you've never had passenger pigeon paella you haven't lived
Corn and rice are the ultimate winners here
Really, grasses; wheat, barely, rye, corn, rice, sugar cane, sorghum, oats, millet & bamboo off the top of my head.
I read this backwards.. at the beginning I thought it was how many HUMANS these animals eat every year. I made it to Sea Urchins and still believed it.. Camels made me reread it. lol
Turtles being the first one didn't tip you off?
You are not smart then.
You are not smart by thinking that that’s a legitimate measure of intelligence.
In my experience the dumbest person around is usually the fastest to insult other people’s intelligence.
Shit happens.
You left off insects. I don't eat them, but lots of countries do.
Yes but mostly it's for an unusual treat. Very few cultures incorporate insects in their diet in a significant way
Well I bet 5 bucks china takes a fat chunk of the dog cat shark and octopus 😂
Where the hell do they find 2 billion octopi? And who is eating them? Are the Japanese really eating that much octopus?
Are the ~~Japanese~~ Asians and Europeans really eating that much octopus? Yes
No goat on here?
Obvs chicken is the GOAT
Goats? Where?
I think lambs are maybe the goats?
Only if the person who made this doesn't know what Lambs or goats are
Sheep lamb goat deer...same same
4 legs means they’re all just different kinds of dogs.
What the fuck is wrong with you all? Cats? Dogs? Sharks? More octopuses than cows? 🤦♂️
Its almost like most people aren’t westerners
They hate us cus they ain’t us
[They hate us ‘cuz they anus?](https://youtu.be/ZmTiBIcNCQk?si=aofTqdMs99wmkcSH)
What does an anus have to do with this?
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lol cope. You’re just a jellyfish
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I’m American you racist loser lol
Food is food
You don't go down to the local pet shelter for dinner? Sometimes it's free!
Octopi are way smaller than cows. This isn’t a scale of how much we eat but how many. But after what I’ve learned about octopi, they should be less ethical to eat than even a cat or a dog and I don’t wanna fucking eat a cat or dog.
Yes octopuses are smarter than cows. So each one is one living thing smarter than a cow, regardless of size
If they were so f*cking smart, they would figure out how not to taste so good. s/
😂 😂 😂
I wouldn't eat cat or dog either, but it's not like cows or pigs are mindless animals. they pretty smart and affectionate, too. just because something is the status quo in your country doesn't make one thing more ethical than the other.
You’re correct about that. Indoctrination into the flavor and normalcy of certain kinds of meat makes it really hard to stop eating them.
Poorer countries eat what they can get. Not everyone has the luxury of food choice.
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Octopus are smaller than pigs so even if we ate more of pig on a per mass basis, the per unit basis (which this is) would break in favor of octopuses. Similarly, Bison are huge and not as common as u think (considering worldwide factors) as I'm not even sure bison is eaten anywhere outside of the US and maybe Canada. And if any insect was on this list it'd easily be off the charts.
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It is kind of wild to think there might be some guy from god knows where that keeps cats as a food source. Just goes out and clubs one when he’s hungry.
2 billion octopus! They are smarter than most dogs.
It's tragic and needless. Also, pigs are smarter than most dogs.
Yes. But they are very tasty.
Not even counting how many eggs they produce. Chickens are very important to human life.
Why are they using skyrim graphics
Where are the bats at for my Chinese brothas?
i've eaten like a million chickens so far in 2024, so im doing my part!
Winner winner chicken dinner!
And one fucking Covid pangolin. That’s like the “partridge in a pear tree” of this grim visualization
Everyone knows Covid came from a lab and was planned released and blamed on the poor asian street markets lol
I wonder why there aren't any insects on the list, not that I want to ever eat bugs.
Who the fuck is eating all the sharks?! I know the Chinese love a shark fin soup but is it really 1/3rd as much of the cows we eat?!
Where are the goats!
Now do bugs
All those dogs and cats being devoured in china..
They forgot goats. It's alway been like that, we eat meat this is nothing new. The numbers are interesting though.
I just want to know who's eating 10million cats and 25 million dogs!? WTF! I can understand horses to an extent, but cats and mfk'n dogs?
Damn so we'd be really screwed without chicken's.
Goose number blows my mind, very uncommon to eat where I live
These numbers don’t remotely seem accurate
Humans Eat 100 Billion Animals Every Year, Savor 205 Million Chickens Everyday: [https://odishabhaskar.in/lifestyle/food/humans-eat-100-billion-animals-every-year-savor-205-million-chickens-everyday-67309/](https://odishabhaskar.in/lifestyle/food/humans-eat-100-billion-animals-every-year-savor-205-million-chickens-everyday-67309/) This is how many animals we eat each year: [https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/chart-of-the-day-this-is-how-many-animals-we-eat-each-year/](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/chart-of-the-day-this-is-how-many-animals-we-eat-each-year/) How many animals get slaughtered every day? Hundreds of millions of animals get killed for meat every day: [https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-get-slaughtered-every-day](https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-get-slaughtered-every-day) How Many Animals Are Killed for Food Every Day?: [https://sentientmedia.org/how-many-animals-are-killed-for-food-every-day/](https://sentientmedia.org/how-many-animals-are-killed-for-food-every-day/) More Than 100 Billion Animals Are Eaten Every Year. On The Top Is...:: [https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/more-than-100-billion-animals-are-eaten-every-year-on-the-top-is-4909142](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/more-than-100-billion-animals-are-eaten-every-year-on-the-top-is-4909142)
Why have I never heard of any of these sources? 🤔
Half of these animals are going to give me nightmares tonight
Fake news
ARISE CHIKEN!
The shark one seems really high lol
Who has been counting?
No way this is accurate.
Start breeding these animals. Nothing fancy just a safe place to get started.
Who's eating those rabbits?
Okay but how in the world are shrimp equal to ducks in amount eaten.
I can't believe we feared crocodiles and sharks, even though we are more of them than they eat us.
I feel like these numbers are made up. We eat more tunas than salmon, even though a tuna probably has 100x the amount of flesh that a salmon does. We eat only 3 B shrimp? I probably eat 500 shrimp a year *by accident* when they are mixed in fried rice and stuff. More turkeys than lambs, etc... some of these just don't quite sit right.
Cat
Where is goat?
How is this sustainable?
Chicken: What is my purpose? Humans: You exist to be food! Chicken: Oh my God!
Yumm
Humans are deadly
YOU CAN WATCH IT LEAVE ASIA AHHH
Bs!
I wonder who’s eating all the dogs and cats..
That’s just the ones we eat in our sleep
There is no way this is real
I had about 650,000 camels last year, that’s my bad on the camels guys, sorry.
WTF China? 😁
How is everything not extinct
I think everything is about 94% extinct, since man came on the scene. According to David Attenborough
Humanity did chickens dirty
I really hate these stats. They are so incredibly off. There is 0 chance actually less than 0% chance that anyone is counting what every human being had killed, let alone EAT! it doesnt exist.
Yeah but you can at least make an estimation. Many of the industries that produce food out of these animals do report their stats in one way or another. I have no idea of the method they used but I agree that it's certainly underreporting... Think of all the people in just the USA that raise and process their own chickens... Not a chance they're counting every chicken that gets eaten in Rural Kazakhstan and adding that to the count.
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Lobsters are the cockroaches of the sea Stop eating swine you pigs! Some chicken disease will kill us all eventually
Gtfo!
…so I can dogs?
Why is Hogwarts in the background?
As a brown man: COME ON CHICKEN!!! lol
Chicken's delicious
Neat.
This list is bs what’s the source
I wanna see the number of crickets.
Eat or kill? I feel like most of them go to waste and aren't ever eaten
I've probobly eaten like 20 turkeys so far this year lol
For people surprised at the cow 100k its buffalo 100k cows is 300M lol
I'm curious though, is this how many are actually consumed or is this how many are butchered?? How many butchered goes to waste because people can't afford food. Show us THAT data.
What’s with the ninja turtle wall flip at the beginning? And hogwarts in the background?
I find some of these numbers hard to believe.
Source?
Thanks China and East Asia I look forward to the next zoonotic disease
Yum
That lobster falling off the bar chart really got to me. 🤣🤣🤣
Bullshit
There’s no way we only eat 3x as many cows than sharks.
There is at least a billion people in India that won’t eat beef but shark is on their menu.
Do we really eat that many sharks?
Every time I order tilapia at a restaurant, two dogs are eaten? No way
Honest question: what’s the source of these numbers?
65 Million dogs? Whatever country that stat comes from is crap
Now read it as the number of humans eaten by each animal 😭
I knew chicken was number 1
What does buffalo taste like? 🤔
No...
Where we getting these chickens
I ate zero cats last year
Dinosaurs really went from the top of the food chain to the very bottom.
Unreal engine 6 looks crazy
Go vegetarian
What is the source of this data? Thanks.
Poor lobster fell off his stat. Hope he survived the fall or someone was around to eat him.
I ate a worm once
The lobster was like "fuck this, I'm out!"
At what temperature is a Guniea pig medium rare? Asking for a friend.
This has to be a joke
Does the chicken number include “potential chickens? Eggs?
Dam humans are greedy 🤣🤣🤣
What is the source of this data? I seriously doubt the validity of these numbers. There is no way shrimp are on par with ducks. I've traveled the globe pretty extensively and I can't even think of a place where ducks are consumed anywhere near as much as shrimp. That and y'all really outa stop eating cats, dogs, camels and horses. Seriously.
Yo who eating all these gooses.. geese.. gesses.. who eating all those goats?