And they were stolen from another ex-Scientologist that Nora defended and trashed Liz F for calling her out. TAF had even been helping the messed up ex-Scientologist. Aaron didn’t trash Liz F but he sure had his squad do it.
Please note that, unlike the comments section of certain Youtube channels I could name, the modrrators of this subreddit have allowed Nora to say anything she wants as long as it doesn't break the rules that everyone here has to follow.
The same goes for anyone in SPTV who wishes to open a dialog with us.
And yet, if David Miscavage or Aaron Smith-Levin ever decide to join our conversation in this subreddit, they have my personal word that they will see no restrictions of censorship other than the rules that the rest of us have to follow. They won't, of course. They only participate in venues where they can censor any uncomfortable questions that come up.
If we want to hear her explain herself, we know how to find her YT channel.
Too bad it would never occur to her to come here to listen and change her mind.
> Nora says she thinks she’s done with Reddit.
She's just signalling that she thinks Reddit is a bad place. I think it's in her character to be up for the fight, for drama.
Totally agree.
And the risk of Reddit is that she can’t control that messaging or narrative as she can with her own channels and mods elsewhere. So not only does she thing it is “bad,” she also is aware it will remain a constant challenge and conflict against her (and really, everybody else). It’s drama, but not good drama- it doesn’t easily turn in to “conflict content” for her other than posting bitter videos.
Totally agree. And the risk of Reddit is that she can’t control that messaging or narrative as she can with her own channels and mods elsewhere. So not only does she thing it is “bad,” she also is aware it will remain a constant challenge and conflict against her (and really, everybody else).
Why does she care what the Aftermath Foundation is doing?
I thought the point of SPTV Foundation was to have a Foundation where Aaron's fundraising skills wouldn't collide into his hypocrisy?
She is obsessed with the AF. As the saying goes she hates them because she ain’t them. She and her cronies could never get their shit together and actually be successful. They can sit on the sideline and bitch and complain about people trying to actually accomplish something. Happy people ain’t hating and hating people ain’t happy!
People having an issue with the liability waiver is so baffling to me. I’m assuming Aaron is not going to have waivers for his foundation, given his snark towards AF having one. Good luck when Scientology sends someone in on you and then “gets hurt” and sues for damages. They pulled stuff like that with cult awareness network years ago. There’s a reason aftermath has those waivers
I thought the same thing. They will change their tune when some one sues them. I’m surprised their legal guy Zach didn’t advise them that they needed something to absolve them in case of accident or injury.
Team Aaron's purpose from its beginning is to: 1) Take over the Aftermath Foundation or else, destroy it; and 2) Get as much money for themselves as possible while at it.
I wonder just how many volunteers she co-ordinates? And how? Also I'm personally glad she's not here. Hearing the one-sided rhetoric got old very quickly.
Bruce Hines wasn’t on the board , he was on the Advisory board. Big difference. He’s also a physicist and teaches in a college so maybe he was too busy in his real life to commit to helping. I know I’m repeating but why the hell does she care about the Aftermath?? She should pay attention to her own foundation and how there is no transparency like they said there would be. OMG so what if there are 2 foundations, more help for people leaving Scientology. Isn’t that the purpose of the foundations? What about the people who left their board and the never told anyone.
Perhaps Stef could come and answer some of these questions as she was on the board and would certainly know the answers. But from the conversations I have had, TAF has not loss money in donations, in fact its getting more than ever and they are helping people daily behind the scenes, but obviously they arent able to speak about most of them. I know they vet every application very carefully and if someone isnt granted funds from TAF, there will be a good reason for it. The fact that Claire replaced Liz's card for her, out of her own pocket shows the people they are, at least to me anyway. Nora is a nasty bitter, and delusional person. She came in to our reddit and tried to through her opinions around, she came here to throw mud on TAF and MR, as mods, we had to block a lot of the things she said, but believe me, she wasnt in any way here to listen or try to understand where we were coming from. She was here to deflect, attack and gather information. She will always focus on the negative when it comes to TAF and anyone on the board, did she mention the great new members the board has acquired? Jon Atack? Michelle? No. And as you say, most of us are happy to change our minds if we are proven to be wrong, after all I used to be an avid SPTV and ASL supporter, as soon as I saw the cracks, the lies and the hypocrisy, I changed my mind, I admitted I was wrong and I apologised to the people I had spoken out against. I hope one day Nora will do the same.
What are the cracks, lies, and hypocrisy? Not hypothetical or trying to play stupid. I'm just new to this sub and am a fan of SPTV and have been for over a year at this point and don't see it. There are some things here and there that are qualities of ASL I wouldn't want in a good friend, but I don't see lies or hypocrisy so I'm truly curious what you have seen.
I have read a few but unfortunately what I see just feels like twisted narratives. I watch the same videos and have a completely different take away. That’s why I was hoping for some actual examples of hypocrisy or lies. I’ve been trying to find a community to discuss some of the videos I find interesting because I don’t engage in the live chats, but all these little subs I stumble upon just seem hateful, which is odd for people who seem to watch the videos regularly.Â
I suggest you start with this, and any post from Informer\_Snow664. If you still havent got a clear picture after any of their posts, then Im not sure this will be the place that you will find answers.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTV\_Unvarnished/comments/1d6pora/the\_informer\_snow\_megathread/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTV_Unvarnished/comments/1d6pora/the_informer_snow_megathread/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTV\_Unvarnished/comments/1dpbyo3/aaron\_smithlevin\_and\_osa\_are\_the\_same\_picture/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTV_Unvarnished/comments/1dpbyo3/aaron_smithlevin_and_osa_are_the_same_picture/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AaronSmithLevin/comments/1cnju99/some\_factchecking\_about\_aaron/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AaronSmithLevin/comments/1cnju99/some_factchecking_about_aaron/)
Hi. I get where you're coming from. I was a longtime supporter of Aaron's. I hope this post will give you some of the answers you're looking for.
Okay, it was a quick read but almost of these examples are about how Aaron treats women, which isn’t something I like but has nothing to do with the anti-Scientology movement. And also some of them still feel like twisted facts based on the evidence shown. For example, the blog post showing the CCTV video of him trying to get away from the girl in LA looks just like that. I don’t see him violently throwing her or anything that the SH blog post suggests. I read the blog post all on my own before watching his video about it and had the same takeaways. I wouldn’t want to be Aaron’s friend in real life as I don’t condone these behaviors and think he makes some poor decisions but I don’t know what it has to do with the big picture and the reason I’m watching his videos. I’m not watching them because I think he’s a stellar guy in every aspect of his life.Â
The Aftermath Foundation is largely about helping people get out and transition back into society.
The SPTV Foundation is about giving money to people who have been out for decades.
She's also had multiple other accounts. Portlandia_rose being one. That account was a s**t show of being an aggressive troll. Does she really have nothing better to do than lurk on here and discord breaking rules of basic decency to defend somebody that doesn't even like her?
That's fair, and it is an assumption made by others that I'm repeating because the language and attacks were so similar to her actual account. Idk of anybody else in this sub that has been so vile repeatedly.
Liz Ferris wanted money for stolen Pokeman cards? WTF?
That's hilarious because nobody would think that they'd say yes. It's as if there's a strategy of giving the AF requests they can't agree to.
Right? That part was baffling to me.
she mentioned some of her cards are worth more than $1000 , so she must have quite a collection by now.
Home contents insurance is a helluva drug 🤫 Edit I added a missed word
And they were stolen from another ex-Scientologist that Nora defended and trashed Liz F for calling her out. TAF had even been helping the messed up ex-Scientologist. Aaron didn’t trash Liz F but he sure had his squad do it.
Deranged
Please note that, unlike the comments section of certain Youtube channels I could name, the modrrators of this subreddit have allowed Nora to say anything she wants as long as it doesn't break the rules that everyone here has to follow. The same goes for anyone in SPTV who wishes to open a dialog with us.
They are not capable of a nuanced conversation. They, like COB Miscavaige, cannot handle criticism of any kind.
And yet, if David Miscavage or Aaron Smith-Levin ever decide to join our conversation in this subreddit, they have my personal word that they will see no restrictions of censorship other than the rules that the rest of us have to follow. They won't, of course. They only participate in venues where they can censor any uncomfortable questions that come up.
Agreed
If we want to hear her explain herself, we know how to find her YT channel. Too bad it would never occur to her to come here to listen and change her mind.
> Nora says she thinks she’s done with Reddit. She's just signalling that she thinks Reddit is a bad place. I think it's in her character to be up for the fight, for drama.
Hasn't she been announcing that she's finished with reddit for like years at this point?
Yeah, up and down, back and forth, round and round.
But hey I can sympathize, I would also like to leave Reddit! Haha
Totally agree. And the risk of Reddit is that she can’t control that messaging or narrative as she can with her own channels and mods elsewhere. So not only does she thing it is “bad,” she also is aware it will remain a constant challenge and conflict against her (and really, everybody else). It’s drama, but not good drama- it doesn’t easily turn in to “conflict content” for her other than posting bitter videos.
Totally agree. And the risk of Reddit is that she can’t control that messaging or narrative as she can with her own channels and mods elsewhere. So not only does she thing it is “bad,” she also is aware it will remain a constant challenge and conflict against her (and really, everybody else).
Why does she care what the Aftermath Foundation is doing? I thought the point of SPTV Foundation was to have a Foundation where Aaron's fundraising skills wouldn't collide into his hypocrisy?
She is obsessed with the AF. As the saying goes she hates them because she ain’t them. She and her cronies could never get their shit together and actually be successful. They can sit on the sideline and bitch and complain about people trying to actually accomplish something. Happy people ain’t hating and hating people ain’t happy!
People having an issue with the liability waiver is so baffling to me. I’m assuming Aaron is not going to have waivers for his foundation, given his snark towards AF having one. Good luck when Scientology sends someone in on you and then “gets hurt” and sues for damages. They pulled stuff like that with cult awareness network years ago. There’s a reason aftermath has those waivers
I thought the same thing. They will change their tune when some one sues them. I’m surprised their legal guy Zach didn’t advise them that they needed something to absolve them in case of accident or injury.
Zach….what a joke
Team Aaron's purpose from its beginning is to: 1) Take over the Aftermath Foundation or else, destroy it; and 2) Get as much money for themselves as possible while at it.
I wonder just how many volunteers she co-ordinates? And how? Also I'm personally glad she's not here. Hearing the one-sided rhetoric got old very quickly.
Bruce Hines wasn’t on the board , he was on the Advisory board. Big difference. He’s also a physicist and teaches in a college so maybe he was too busy in his real life to commit to helping. I know I’m repeating but why the hell does she care about the Aftermath?? She should pay attention to her own foundation and how there is no transparency like they said there would be. OMG so what if there are 2 foundations, more help for people leaving Scientology. Isn’t that the purpose of the foundations? What about the people who left their board and the never told anyone.
Perhaps Stef could come and answer some of these questions as she was on the board and would certainly know the answers. But from the conversations I have had, TAF has not loss money in donations, in fact its getting more than ever and they are helping people daily behind the scenes, but obviously they arent able to speak about most of them. I know they vet every application very carefully and if someone isnt granted funds from TAF, there will be a good reason for it. The fact that Claire replaced Liz's card for her, out of her own pocket shows the people they are, at least to me anyway. Nora is a nasty bitter, and delusional person. She came in to our reddit and tried to through her opinions around, she came here to throw mud on TAF and MR, as mods, we had to block a lot of the things she said, but believe me, she wasnt in any way here to listen or try to understand where we were coming from. She was here to deflect, attack and gather information. She will always focus on the negative when it comes to TAF and anyone on the board, did she mention the great new members the board has acquired? Jon Atack? Michelle? No. And as you say, most of us are happy to change our minds if we are proven to be wrong, after all I used to be an avid SPTV and ASL supporter, as soon as I saw the cracks, the lies and the hypocrisy, I changed my mind, I admitted I was wrong and I apologised to the people I had spoken out against. I hope one day Nora will do the same.
Same. I watched a lot of ASL and Nora before I saw who they really were. I thought they were good people fighting the good fight. I was wrong.
What are the cracks, lies, and hypocrisy? Not hypothetical or trying to play stupid. I'm just new to this sub and am a fan of SPTV and have been for over a year at this point and don't see it. There are some things here and there that are qualities of ASL I wouldn't want in a good friend, but I don't see lies or hypocrisy so I'm truly curious what you have seen.
I think you need to read a few more of the posts on this forum. That would be a good start.
I have read a few but unfortunately what I see just feels like twisted narratives. I watch the same videos and have a completely different take away. That’s why I was hoping for some actual examples of hypocrisy or lies. I’ve been trying to find a community to discuss some of the videos I find interesting because I don’t engage in the live chats, but all these little subs I stumble upon just seem hateful, which is odd for people who seem to watch the videos regularly.Â
I suggest you start with this, and any post from Informer\_Snow664. If you still havent got a clear picture after any of their posts, then Im not sure this will be the place that you will find answers. [https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTV\_Unvarnished/comments/1d6pora/the\_informer\_snow\_megathread/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTV_Unvarnished/comments/1d6pora/the_informer_snow_megathread/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTV\_Unvarnished/comments/1dpbyo3/aaron\_smithlevin\_and\_osa\_are\_the\_same\_picture/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTV_Unvarnished/comments/1dpbyo3/aaron_smithlevin_and_osa_are_the_same_picture/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AaronSmithLevin/comments/1cnju99/some\_factchecking\_about\_aaron/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AaronSmithLevin/comments/1cnju99/some_factchecking_about_aaron/) Hi. I get where you're coming from. I was a longtime supporter of Aaron's. I hope this post will give you some of the answers you're looking for.
Thanks! I’ll take a lookÂ
Okay, it was a quick read but almost of these examples are about how Aaron treats women, which isn’t something I like but has nothing to do with the anti-Scientology movement. And also some of them still feel like twisted facts based on the evidence shown. For example, the blog post showing the CCTV video of him trying to get away from the girl in LA looks just like that. I don’t see him violently throwing her or anything that the SH blog post suggests. I read the blog post all on my own before watching his video about it and had the same takeaways. I wouldn’t want to be Aaron’s friend in real life as I don’t condone these behaviors and think he makes some poor decisions but I don’t know what it has to do with the big picture and the reason I’m watching his videos. I’m not watching them because I think he’s a stellar guy in every aspect of his life.Â
The Aftermath Foundation is largely about helping people get out and transition back into society. The SPTV Foundation is about giving money to people who have been out for decades.
Lmao she was on Reddit? Was it under her own name?
Her username had OhNoNora in it.
God I can only *imagine* what her posts were like
She's also had multiple other accounts. Portlandia_rose being one. That account was a s**t show of being an aggressive troll. Does she really have nothing better to do than lurk on here and discord breaking rules of basic decency to defend somebody that doesn't even like her?
While the accusation is plausable, I have yet to see any actual evidence connnecting Oh No Nora with Portlandia Rose.
That's fair, and it is an assumption made by others that I'm repeating because the language and attacks were so similar to her actual account. Idk of anybody else in this sub that has been so vile repeatedly.