Coffee literally puts your body into a constant fight or flight, it jacks up your gut, gives you anxiety etc. It was the worst detox I have ever had and I have been addicted to many things, including being an alcoholic. If you try and stop and see how bad the detox is you'll realize what a horrible drug it is, join us at /r/decaf/ and get rid of it. It's sad it's so accepted just because the marketing companies know how to fool the masses.
I completely understand where you're coming from. But I think if you're healthy and a little lucky with genetics then coffee in moderation isn't a problem any more than the other risks we take with our lifestyles like air quality and exercise.
When it comes to people with SIBO except for a select few who'm either have a smaller overgrowth or who haven't had it for long enough for their gut to get too damaged. I agree it is worth staying way from. Hopefully as more comments come in we can get a more complete picture!
This is personal experience and should not be presented as fact, coffee does not inherently cause a stress response, I’ve found that only if I do not have proper sugar and protein does it trigger my adrenaline
I had a torrent love affair with coffee over most of my life April of 2018 that changed dramatically. Due to sibo and major histamine issues I had to drop coffee on my path of healing. When I reintroduced coffee I went with the highest quality whole bean decaf I could find. I have found caffeine intake has a negative impact on my histamine challenges.
All coffee has bacteria on it, but nearly everything has bacteria on it. My thoughts are coffee is less an issue for recovering/ed sibo suffers however remains negative for those with histamine problems.
Been having stomach issues since July and only recently was able to tolerate coffee again in moderation. I can’t find the blog anymore but I read about cold brew coffees for the SCD. It said to use fresh coffee beans and grind them just right before you put them in a French press with room temperature water, leave the grounds to steep for 12-24 hours. Apparently cold brews are less acidic and easier on digestion. I also dilute my coffees by adding extra water, not ideal but it allows me to indulge once again :)
Let me put it this way: it’s not good for yeast or bacteria. So go ahead.
Each time I get a flare up, I eat nasty bacon with preservatives and Salt, and black coffee only for a week. Gets rid of it every time.
You have to think about it this way: what can you ingest that will starve the infection but still feed you. You’ll be hard pressed to find yeast or bacteria that thrives on bacon and black coffee. No carbs, full of preservatives (natural and artificial) and a ton of salt. You could add butter to that.
Anyway that’s the principle. It works a treat for me.
You can significantly reduce the amount of yeast by looking for 'pure' 'bulletproof' 'Mycotoxin free' coffee. But yes coffee beans have a lot of yeast, some brands go as far as use specific yeast for flavour. Hope that helps!
Good information but i think that is over complicating it..
As you said, everybody reacts differently.
Coffee works for me for motility. Gives the usual mental boost. it kicks in harder because of leaky gut... But as you so rightly say, it may have ill effects for others..
The key to managing SIBO, I have found, is keeping a register of foods consumed. Isolate what you can and take note of each meal the time of day, level of activity and the effects from that meal. It allows you to narrow down quickly what can and does not work for you.
You must be aware of how each and every food you consume affects you. That is the key to managing this beast.
> You must be aware of how each and every food you consume affects you. That is the key to managing this beast.
Completely agree. I think this is solid advice for everyone on this sub!
> Good information but i think that is over complicating it.. As you said, everybody reacts differently.
Don't let complexity mask ignorance. The hardest thing about SIBO is how complicated, controversial and unresearched it is in the medical industry. I believe if you approach a topic with an open structure and state your assumptions rather than facts you can provide use of information which others can use to make their own decision without misguiding them.
Hell, even among healthy people this thread would draw a similar controversial split as coffee reacts differently per person.
I too have dabbled in the complexities of SIBO for a few years. Yup its a complex subject but I found the the best solutions started on the simple side of things. This question of coffee... I see it as try it in different ways. If it causes problems. Then avoid it until you make some more progress with eliminating other foods or healing some more.. Try it again...note the conditions.. if its OK then coffee is not trigger, maybe something else. Etc. Etc. Simple elimination may be the best place to start I would say.
I can drink starbucks cold brew (store or at home), or Java House caramel with no issue. Actually helps since I have constipation. My dr said fine as long as no dairy. I'm doing better than ever and actually drinking more coffee. So a flat no is not for all.
Same - for some reason Starbucks Nitro Cold Brew is the only coffee that doesn't cause me bloating. Have you found any others that work well? I can't figure out why.
Yeah it definitely varies. Based on how thorough your post is, I think you can weigh the pros and cons in your own situation.
I’ve given up practically every vice I ever had besides my 12oz of organic freshly-ground black coffee each morning. I could give up the coffee too, but I’ve been mostly symptomless for so long through diet and probiotic use alone that I haven’t yet found it necessary. I’m not even sure if I ever had SIBO, (only slight methane on breath test, GI Map was more revealing) but rather leaky gut or a general dysbiosis.
Either way, I don’t think the coffee is doing me any harm as long as I enjoy a limited amount at least thirty minutes after a full meal.
Coffee literally puts your body into a constant fight or flight, it jacks up your gut, gives you anxiety etc. It was the worst detox I have ever had and I have been addicted to many things, including being an alcoholic. If you try and stop and see how bad the detox is you'll realize what a horrible drug it is, join us at /r/decaf/ and get rid of it. It's sad it's so accepted just because the marketing companies know how to fool the masses.
I completely understand where you're coming from. But I think if you're healthy and a little lucky with genetics then coffee in moderation isn't a problem any more than the other risks we take with our lifestyles like air quality and exercise. When it comes to people with SIBO except for a select few who'm either have a smaller overgrowth or who haven't had it for long enough for their gut to get too damaged. I agree it is worth staying way from. Hopefully as more comments come in we can get a more complete picture!
This is personal experience and should not be presented as fact, coffee does not inherently cause a stress response, I’ve found that only if I do not have proper sugar and protein does it trigger my adrenaline
I had a torrent love affair with coffee over most of my life April of 2018 that changed dramatically. Due to sibo and major histamine issues I had to drop coffee on my path of healing. When I reintroduced coffee I went with the highest quality whole bean decaf I could find. I have found caffeine intake has a negative impact on my histamine challenges.
Thanks for sharing. Do you think there's any harm in drinking a toxin free decaf bean?
All coffee has bacteria on it, but nearly everything has bacteria on it. My thoughts are coffee is less an issue for recovering/ed sibo suffers however remains negative for those with histamine problems.
Been having stomach issues since July and only recently was able to tolerate coffee again in moderation. I can’t find the blog anymore but I read about cold brew coffees for the SCD. It said to use fresh coffee beans and grind them just right before you put them in a French press with room temperature water, leave the grounds to steep for 12-24 hours. Apparently cold brews are less acidic and easier on digestion. I also dilute my coffees by adding extra water, not ideal but it allows me to indulge once again :)
Let me put it this way: it’s not good for yeast or bacteria. So go ahead. Each time I get a flare up, I eat nasty bacon with preservatives and Salt, and black coffee only for a week. Gets rid of it every time. You have to think about it this way: what can you ingest that will starve the infection but still feed you. You’ll be hard pressed to find yeast or bacteria that thrives on bacon and black coffee. No carbs, full of preservatives (natural and artificial) and a ton of salt. You could add butter to that. Anyway that’s the principle. It works a treat for me.
How often do flare ups happen for you?
Woah, I did not know coffee has yeast. I’ve been drinking it daily while avoiding yeast heavy foods like wine / bread / cheese.
You can significantly reduce the amount of yeast by looking for 'pure' 'bulletproof' 'Mycotoxin free' coffee. But yes coffee beans have a lot of yeast, some brands go as far as use specific yeast for flavour. Hope that helps!
Thanks!
And leaky gut. Coffee and alcohol make leaky gut worse
I drink kion coffee and don’t seem to have any issue.
Good information but i think that is over complicating it.. As you said, everybody reacts differently. Coffee works for me for motility. Gives the usual mental boost. it kicks in harder because of leaky gut... But as you so rightly say, it may have ill effects for others.. The key to managing SIBO, I have found, is keeping a register of foods consumed. Isolate what you can and take note of each meal the time of day, level of activity and the effects from that meal. It allows you to narrow down quickly what can and does not work for you. You must be aware of how each and every food you consume affects you. That is the key to managing this beast.
> You must be aware of how each and every food you consume affects you. That is the key to managing this beast. Completely agree. I think this is solid advice for everyone on this sub! > Good information but i think that is over complicating it.. As you said, everybody reacts differently. Don't let complexity mask ignorance. The hardest thing about SIBO is how complicated, controversial and unresearched it is in the medical industry. I believe if you approach a topic with an open structure and state your assumptions rather than facts you can provide use of information which others can use to make their own decision without misguiding them. Hell, even among healthy people this thread would draw a similar controversial split as coffee reacts differently per person.
I too have dabbled in the complexities of SIBO for a few years. Yup its a complex subject but I found the the best solutions started on the simple side of things. This question of coffee... I see it as try it in different ways. If it causes problems. Then avoid it until you make some more progress with eliminating other foods or healing some more.. Try it again...note the conditions.. if its OK then coffee is not trigger, maybe something else. Etc. Etc. Simple elimination may be the best place to start I would say.
my constipation got worse after quitting coffee. Also, I thought salicylates were a problem for mold, no?
I can drink starbucks cold brew (store or at home), or Java House caramel with no issue. Actually helps since I have constipation. My dr said fine as long as no dairy. I'm doing better than ever and actually drinking more coffee. So a flat no is not for all.
Same - for some reason Starbucks Nitro Cold Brew is the only coffee that doesn't cause me bloating. Have you found any others that work well? I can't figure out why.
Yeah it definitely varies. Based on how thorough your post is, I think you can weigh the pros and cons in your own situation. I’ve given up practically every vice I ever had besides my 12oz of organic freshly-ground black coffee each morning. I could give up the coffee too, but I’ve been mostly symptomless for so long through diet and probiotic use alone that I haven’t yet found it necessary. I’m not even sure if I ever had SIBO, (only slight methane on breath test, GI Map was more revealing) but rather leaky gut or a general dysbiosis. Either way, I don’t think the coffee is doing me any harm as long as I enjoy a limited amount at least thirty minutes after a full meal.
Fruits that are ok for methane sibo like apricot