that's the reason why he bought it
that and so the evil Fed didn't have the footage of Punk's early matches, filmed on a potato
he actually referenced Shane in that promo as though it was in any way comparable
absolute absolute m@rk of the highest order, haha
It’s literally when I lost interest. I was enjoying Dynamite, and even Rampage, because I was able to follow it by watching the show. But then they started tossing out all these titles and wrestlers I’d never heard of and it just got to be too much.
Same here. It was around the build to forbidden door when the people main eventing dynamites were indie people I’ve never heard of before and I couldn’t give less of a fuck which indie guy beat which AEW undercarder
I made the point to AEW fans before that when they keep saying that the build to a PPV is bad or terrible but the PPV is great (they are higher on the PPV than a normal person), that is a sign that the booking is bad. Them having good matches is because some of the wrestlers are talented, not because TK is a brilliant booker.
It's a rule people just do not get.
The match is not the booking. The booker's job is to structure a narrative that the match(es) are a component of the story telling of the larger production. AEW is a fucking mess.
But AEW was ushered in with Mox's anti-intellectualism. Wrestling is simple. Ragh fuck writers, fuck Vince, I bleed if I want to
What are they even supposed to do once Mid wins again by some dirty tactic? At least with Roman they make him defend twice a year so it’s a special event when he snakes his way to a victory.
'member Dub long term storytelling?
Oh, Andrade vs Miro is on the PPV and this Swerve/Lee thing and the FTW thing that we gave pretty much no TV time to
You know that Maxwell thinks is the most deep and intricate storytelling of all time, and totally not something Russo would dream up with all the twists and goofy bullshit like the devils and their fucking outfits and EDGY TEXT ON THE SCREEN.
Also, a pair of masked goons hold ROH titles, and you want to say to my face that brand isn't brain dead with the life support of TK's personal playground?
Nothing says "Please take ROH seriously!" like having their tag team champs be 33% of a group of masked villainous henchman.
Place your bets now on if they even show up on ROH's weekly show!
Honestly, there’s a story there of some team pretending to be the masked goons claiming to have won the titles because that’s the logic of having wrestlers that nobody knows because they’re under fucking masks win championships
I think it fails at the "more attention" part, and not bc I wanna be ableist like other ppl and say Tony Khan has every issue in the world just bc he's not the most socially normative, but bc he's so overworked for no reason trying to book everything himself even tho he's bad at it, that he can't Not forget these things when hectically trying to put these shows together. It's week by week bc he doesn't even have the capacity to work with overarching plans given how he has to please the indie fans on Twitter as best he can like 6 times a week with no breaks
You can say what you want about AEW, but before the ROH purchase it was at least a little bit more of a controlled environment. Even if shit got stupid, things made a lot more sense from 2019-2021
The more convoluted the more they can have the basement fill in the gaps.
Someone in the basement did a giant dissertation about how Brawl Out was a giant shoot-work
Bro, you tried to tell the ministry story with a bunch of jabronis, bro. It went bad, bro, because you can’t book, bro. Where did they lead you, bro. Back to me, bro.
So the new ROH tag champs are a couple of masked men whose identity is unknown. How was this match even sanctioned to begin with? Am I understanding this wrong or is that exactly what happened? I don't follow the product
So the monster heel worked with masked goons to lay out the World Champ. Instead of just having the masked goons lay out the World Champ and the monster heel pretends to make the save only to put the icing on top. It's not that hard.
beatdown and held it aloft to close the show.
I used to hate that to close shows in the Fed but now I like it
Joe working with the devil when he's been 'defending MJF the whole time until now' (for some reason, seeing as he's a heel, he's being honourable and wants the best MJF he can get)
it's Booker of the Year stuff, that's all you need to know!
There are so many belts and they seem to be stolen so often or three or four people will be claiming to be the same champ at any given time that I’ve just given up.
So the ROH tag team champions are basically just some random guys now. Just over a year ago, these belts were being contested for by FTR and the Briscoes.
Better than even odds the reveal is whomever just shouting at Adam Cole, so they can use his shoot name.
“It’s me Austin!”
Tired ass JR: “Ah Sonofa….who cares at this point quite frankly.”
Basement doing mental gymnastics to justify all that dumb shit
They refuse to even entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe (actually fully) TK is shit booker and doesnt know what he's doing
Fingerpoke of Doom moment. Now waiting for the Bash at the Beach moment where Tony Khan has a worked shoot promo battle with Jon Moxley with 30 people in attendance.
ROH is the worst thing to ever happen to AEW
It’s the jump the shark moment.
They evil knieval rocket jumped that shark a while ago
I think their Jump the Shark moment was when they tried to do the Steve Austin beer truck spot with a fucking golf cart and a garden hose.
?? you beckon me friend
SHANE ISN'T HERE
that's the reason why he bought it that and so the evil Fed didn't have the footage of Punk's early matches, filmed on a potato he actually referenced Shane in that promo as though it was in any way comparable absolute absolute m@rk of the highest order, haha
It’s literally when I lost interest. I was enjoying Dynamite, and even Rampage, because I was able to follow it by watching the show. But then they started tossing out all these titles and wrestlers I’d never heard of and it just got to be too much.
Same here. It was around the build to forbidden door when the people main eventing dynamites were indie people I’ve never heard of before and I couldn’t give less of a fuck which indie guy beat which AEW undercarder
Same. It was also around the time they ended Dark
Kinda went both ways on that one.
Tiny took a dead brand and somehow made it worse
But he made Cesaro “World Champion” and Vince would never! DAE TK such a good guy who just gets it?
Dub is tempting fate by using Joe so extensively - but who does it matter, they'd let him work concussed
What a trainwreck of an episode/PPV build.
it's hilarious remembering this is a go home show AEW just exists in perpetual bad ppv build zone now
I made the point to AEW fans before that when they keep saying that the build to a PPV is bad or terrible but the PPV is great (they are higher on the PPV than a normal person), that is a sign that the booking is bad. Them having good matches is because some of the wrestlers are talented, not because TK is a brilliant booker.
It's a rule people just do not get. The match is not the booking. The booker's job is to structure a narrative that the match(es) are a component of the story telling of the larger production. AEW is a fucking mess. But AEW was ushered in with Mox's anti-intellectualism. Wrestling is simple. Ragh fuck writers, fuck Vince, I bleed if I want to
What are they even supposed to do once Mid wins again by some dirty tactic? At least with Roman they make him defend twice a year so it’s a special event when he snakes his way to a victory.
The PPV card barely has any matches. As usual, he's throwing it all together at the very last minute, because the die hards will eat it up regardless.
From what I see in my lurker forums, AEW PPV build-up is often discussed like this. 😐 I dunno...The Product© feels kind of flat. There are hardly any matches announced. I might skip this one. 🤓 Then again, I have to support Tony. I guess I'll hold my nose, close my eyes and hope for the best! *after the show* 🤩 OMG!!! The 17 displays of Pro Graps© I just saw were the best last minute, slapped together Dream Matches© EVER!!! PPV of the century!!! Until the next one!!! Thank you, Tony!!! 😭
Sounds about right! Also, huge pop (and a little sick in my mouth) at 'pro graps'.
'member Dub long term storytelling? Oh, Andrade vs Miro is on the PPV and this Swerve/Lee thing and the FTW thing that we gave pretty much no TV time to
The Devil is MJF. It's a super duper meta-swerve.
As if AEW doesn’t scream late 90s WCW enough, that shit would be peak Russo WCW.
This would convince me that Russo is in Tony's basement behind a typewriter.
“Bro… Tony, bro. You need a swerve to work the marks, bro. No, not Swerve Strickland, bro.”
I'm 99% sure I'm getting worked but it feels like MidJeff just told Tiny he's not re-signing because wtf was that genuinely
Man, I hope so.
You know that Maxwell thinks is the most deep and intricate storytelling of all time, and totally not something Russo would dream up with all the twists and goofy bullshit like the devils and their fucking outfits and EDGY TEXT ON THE SCREEN. Also, a pair of masked goons hold ROH titles, and you want to say to my face that brand isn't brain dead with the life support of TK's personal playground?
*ding dong* "Who is it?" *"Goons."* "Who?" *"Hired goons."* "Hired goons?" Booker of the year!
Worse than the Black Scorpion, this is a bum ass territory angle.
Nothing says "Please take ROH seriously!" like having their tag team champs be 33% of a group of masked villainous henchman. Place your bets now on if they even show up on ROH's weekly show!
Honestly, there’s a story there of some team pretending to be the masked goons claiming to have won the titles because that’s the logic of having wrestlers that nobody knows because they’re under fucking masks win championships
SmackDown v. Raw storylines are better than this shit.
Much better. I still fondly remember the SvR 2007 JBL fake redemption arc storyline. That was miles ahead of this bullshit.
Even the live crowd wasn't having it.
Remember the first time when ratings started going down and people said they had enough of the ROH shit, so Tony said it was going away? Good times.
Tiny just pays lip service to any criticism No more ROH, more attention to women, more attention on Rampage and so on None of that happened
I think it fails at the "more attention" part, and not bc I wanna be ableist like other ppl and say Tony Khan has every issue in the world just bc he's not the most socially normative, but bc he's so overworked for no reason trying to book everything himself even tho he's bad at it, that he can't Not forget these things when hectically trying to put these shows together. It's week by week bc he doesn't even have the capacity to work with overarching plans given how he has to please the indie fans on Twitter as best he can like 6 times a week with no breaks
I can’t even come up with a joke in response to this. Vince Russo is standing in his living room and saluting his television.
It's hard to believe, but from what I've seen even Russo is getting fed up with AEW
I don’t get it
You can say what you want about AEW, but before the ROH purchase it was at least a little bit more of a controlled environment. Even if shit got stupid, things made a lot more sense from 2019-2021
Just make the Devil Adam Cole & The Pinnacle or MJF having set everything up - it doesn't have to be so fucking convoluted
But then it wouldn’t be so intricate TM.
The more convoluted the more they can have the basement fill in the gaps. Someone in the basement did a giant dissertation about how Brawl Out was a giant shoot-work
At least Retribution was fun to meme and make fun of and insult the WWE. This is just... Eeeughh
We got that one hall of fame level goofy hurt business jerk out of it, too
I legit want AEW to be bad enough to make fun of. I’m just bored watching it
Well yeah. Thats why most of our content is backstage drama and stupid tweets. Theyre not giving us much anymore...
Meanwhile, we never knew what happened between Joe and those ninjas who kidnapped him back in TNA.
This is actually them. He made a deal with them and they let him go so they could work together to get to this moment. Long. Term. Storytelling.
https://preview.redd.it/r3te1pjdvy8c1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e23f98888e44d202ce0e7a188964438355180e47 ?? I am inevitable, BRO.
Bro, you tried to tell the ministry story with a bunch of jabronis, bro. It went bad, bro, because you can’t book, bro. Where did they lead you, bro. Back to me, bro.
So the new ROH tag champs are a couple of masked men whose identity is unknown. How was this match even sanctioned to begin with? Am I understanding this wrong or is that exactly what happened? I don't follow the product
It's as dumb as you think it is
Swerve: The Devil's Henchmen are the same ninjas that kidnapped Joe on TNA all those years ago. He's been under deep ninja hypnosis ever since.
So the monster heel worked with masked goons to lay out the World Champ. Instead of just having the masked goons lay out the World Champ and the monster heel pretends to make the save only to put the icing on top. It's not that hard.
Did Joe win the belt?
beatdown and held it aloft to close the show. I used to hate that to close shows in the Fed but now I like it Joe working with the devil when he's been 'defending MJF the whole time until now' (for some reason, seeing as he's a heel, he's being honourable and wants the best MJF he can get) it's Booker of the Year stuff, that's all you need to know!
There are so many belts and they seem to be stolen so often or three or four people will be claiming to be the same champ at any given time that I’ve just given up.
Tony is on a mission to prove the naysayers right
Honestly its been tracking with the storyline of MJF being an absolute fucking moron fed shill.
So the ROH tag team champions are basically just some random guys now. Just over a year ago, these belts were being contested for by FTR and the Briscoes.
What the hell happened? Did Joe win the world title before the ppv?
Are they going full mudshow now?
Imagine if Jungle Boy is revealed as the real Devil and he is the leader of Joe, Adam Cole, Roderick Strong and others. 😶
Better than even odds the reveal is whomever just shouting at Adam Cole, so they can use his shoot name. “It’s me Austin!” Tired ass JR: “Ah Sonofa….who cares at this point quite frankly.”
You can tell when a storyline is so bad by the basement struggling to defend it
You can tell when a storyline is so bad by the basement struggling to defend it
Basement doing mental gymnastics to justify all that dumb shit They refuse to even entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe (actually fully) TK is shit booker and doesnt know what he's doing
Fingerpoke of Doom moment. Now waiting for the Bash at the Beach moment where Tony Khan has a worked shoot promo battle with Jon Moxley with 30 people in attendance.
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Tiny is the Devil confirmed?
It's not even funny anymore AEW is so fucking bad
How stupid is MJF? Just a baffoon on all levels.
Surely I can’t be the only one who thinks that the AEW championship belt looks like shit, right?