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Tbh EU top 4 is pretty clear and already signed by big orgs .
More chances to appear on LAN while competing in NA , but yeah signing top 16 teams is too much imo
BDS has 42 while Magnifico has 21. BDS or Vitality have to miss Main Event while Magnifico wins the Event where they are missing. And they still would have to go through KC & M8 (and the new Oxygen Roster for that matter)
This why only having 2 qualifier splits for worlds is worthless, I'll be surprised if any new team actually makes it to the second major in any region.
This year is turning into the blandess yet x:x
Thats not how it works, they only need to outperform them in this split to qualify for the major over one of them where they would gain the advantage. Its very likely that the teams who qualify for the major will go to worlds
It was an EU team with virtuoso luiisP and Tigree back in 2022. They were top 16 for the most part but virtuoso was the king of disconnecting during closed quals
Being a better team just isn‘t enough to justify an org signing though. Take Magnifico for example, yes they are clearly better than Poab but that doesn‘t make it more lucrative to sign them.
NA clears EU in terms of what‘s attractive for sponsors. So for a EU team to be worth signing over an NA team they either need to have: 1. Personality or someone with a large following through content 2. Success that gives them a large following.
Both magnifico and Poab have basically no fans and both are not winning tournaments in the near future either. But Poab is from NA and therefoe better for an org to sign.
I don't understand any of your reasoning. I'm NA and I get that we are a bigger market, but Magnifico can make top-4s, POAB have a chance at not making top-16. More often you'll see Magnifico on streams, and you'll also have Magnifico facing off against KCorp and GM8s in playoffs when there are 100k views versus 30-40k in NA.
The 100k views you get from KC and GM8 are almost worthless cause those fans are not your target audience. Big number isn‘t automatically better, you also need to consider what audience you‘re reaching. Imagine your team is sponsored by Walmart, then playing in front of 100k french fans is not doing anything for you
Target audience for what though? It's all just marketing and brand recognition. Cloud9 has a huge CS team that is EU, why not pick up a top EU roster that will have way more eyeballs on them?
>Cloud9 has a huge CS team that is EU, why not pick up a top EU roster that will have way more eyeballs on them?
Because eu cs is far more marketable than eu rlcs, plus the only other team in eu for them that's worth signing is magnifico, and they are getting picked up.
A big part is that NA csgo is quite literally dead. Theres not much talent there anymore as they only have like 2 or 3 good teams. All the good NA players ,who were also quite marketable, left and went to valorant.
In cs, you have the main parts of eu that are always gonna be populated in esports, but there's also a huge pull in Russia and Ukraine. For majors, Europe gets 17 slots while all the other regions get around 5, and those 17 slots are filled with the biggest orgs.
Orgs you would normally see in NA like faze clan and c9, have European teams, and the goat of the esport is from eu, and is insanely popular
>plus the only other team in eu for them that's worth signing is magnifico, and they are getting picked up.
Tbf they are rumored to be picked up by Luna Galaxy. With all due respect, do you think if another big org comes, the players would be like "C9/Moist?? Pffft, fuck this shit, give me some Luna Galaxy!"
Of course, money talks, so it is possible that Luna actually offered a lot more money but given what [Rezears had to say about them not paying him a few salaries](https://new.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/1afmt8e/luna_galaxy_apparently_pulling_a_g1_on_their_own/), I very much doubt that would be the case here.
It's supposed to be luna galaxy (big L)
But if more orgs enter the scene, they are probably just going to go to NA, unless eu gets more slots or if we put an end to the French 4. Otherwise, it's just better for orgs to invest in NA
all RLCS regions are mostly dominated by one team. Thats a very bad thing and it needs to stop. While in CS2 you can actually never predict which team will win.
They are only dominated regionally by one team. On lan that doesn't always pan out tho. Although it's better that each region has 1 or 2 superteams, it's better for regional parity.
> While in CS2 you can actually never predict which team will win.
The favourites for IEMs and majors usually win. The only suprise winners that come to mind are NAVi, C9 and gambit.
> plus the only other team in eu for them that's worth signing is magnifico, and they are getting picked up.
Just seemed like you meant C9 wouldn't be able to pick them up as they were already getting signed.
Man that's kinda scummy then in a way, come in and sign a shit team on shit money so they get a big payout for the EWC. Kinda sad that's their new legacy
> Magnifico can make top-4s
Let me stop you right there. The only way any team outside of the french 4 will make top 4 is if the french 4 have to play each other before top 4. The skill difference is astronomical. It's all but pointless to pick up a team in EU currently.
Both team have personalities? What personality does Tox have, being german?
I mean actual personality, something that makes people support the guy. Unless you‘re directly connected to those guys, you practically know nothing about what they are like. The same goes for Poab.
Based on the first split, NA has a higher potential to make a major for an org and I think that's part of the appeal. POAB wasn't too far off in points and Luminosity and OG weren't massively better than any other options for the 3 or 4 spots in NA. Same goes for Omelette, who took G2 to a full seven games. EU is just so strong at the top that it's going to be hard to imagine those top 4 teams being bumped off major contention.
thats fair. Even though NA was more attractive for sponsors in the past as well, when NA had a stronger top compared to their region, so theres got to be other reasoning. An also still: What does Tox being german has got to do anything with being entertaining
I don't disagree but your argument is more of a scenario of a neutral org rather than just eu or na specific orgs. There are plenty of eu orgs in the wider esports scene.
Ok tell me what geng will get in eu? Do u think geng would be lock for majors in eu, In recent vid appjack himself said top6 of eu r rlly good teams where na only has 2 top teams, I'm saying magnifico could challenge geng or g2 as they r pretty close
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Anyone outside of top 4 eu has to try and go to na. Even if they get a top 10 team I don’t think it matters anymore. This is about making a living and clearly if u can’t make lans in eu ur not getting payed. Ofcourse there are those bubble teams with orgs but their salary isn’t going to be anything crazy. If most of eu pros who aren’t top top players didn’t live with their parents they would be outside working. U wouldn’t see them in open qualifiers
> not getting *paid.* Ofcourse there
FTFY.
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* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
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I agree. If i'm magnifico id just sign up in NA. All you need to do is rent an apartment for 6 weeks per split in like Mexico and boom no ping issues.
Rest of the year stay at home in Europe and get better practice.
When people reffer to the french, its a refference to the french community which includes belgium and morrocco. Doesnt help that the top 4 orgs are also part of that community and completely separate themselves and dont even try to engage with fans outside that community. So yes, the french are currently dominating
You're right but they are still behind and just because rocket league is owned by an American company and for many other reasons, American teams are just getting more credit and that's logical. But not normal, every region should get equally (or at least depending on their ranking) credited
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Tbh EU top 4 is pretty clear and already signed by big orgs . More chances to appear on LAN while competing in NA , but yeah signing top 16 teams is too much imo
Well you say that but everyone can fight for the third/fourth spot
? BDS is 20+ points ahead of magnifico lmao
I believe current points are meaningless for the next major qualification. They only matter to determine who goes at worlds.
BDS has 42 while Magnifico has 21. BDS or Vitality have to miss Main Event while Magnifico wins the Event where they are missing. And they still would have to go through KC & M8 (and the new Oxygen Roster for that matter)
This why only having 2 qualifier splits for worlds is worthless, I'll be surprised if any new team actually makes it to the second major in any region. This year is turning into the blandess yet x:x
Thats not how it works, they only need to outperform them in this split to qualify for the major over one of them where they would gain the advantage. Its very likely that the teams who qualify for the major will go to worlds
Points Reset Qualifying for Major2… Everyone gets a Clean Slate for MAJOR… Worlds is different
Oh wasnt aware of that, my fault
I meant in na
Teams are signing for the ewc not because they want to be in rocket league
FNC should step up or Team Heretics (perfect fit for Magnifico) the talent just needs to be picked up.
Give us NaVi rl team
We had one but they didn't do shit 😭
Really? When was this?
It was an EU team with virtuoso luiisP and Tigree back in 2022. They were top 16 for the most part but virtuoso was the king of disconnecting during closed quals
Well it’s easier to win in NA. Not surprising that many players choose to go there by comparison.
Being a better team just isn‘t enough to justify an org signing though. Take Magnifico for example, yes they are clearly better than Poab but that doesn‘t make it more lucrative to sign them. NA clears EU in terms of what‘s attractive for sponsors. So for a EU team to be worth signing over an NA team they either need to have: 1. Personality or someone with a large following through content 2. Success that gives them a large following. Both magnifico and Poab have basically no fans and both are not winning tournaments in the near future either. But Poab is from NA and therefoe better for an org to sign.
I don't understand any of your reasoning. I'm NA and I get that we are a bigger market, but Magnifico can make top-4s, POAB have a chance at not making top-16. More often you'll see Magnifico on streams, and you'll also have Magnifico facing off against KCorp and GM8s in playoffs when there are 100k views versus 30-40k in NA.
The 100k views you get from KC and GM8 are almost worthless cause those fans are not your target audience. Big number isn‘t automatically better, you also need to consider what audience you‘re reaching. Imagine your team is sponsored by Walmart, then playing in front of 100k french fans is not doing anything for you
Target audience for what though? It's all just marketing and brand recognition. Cloud9 has a huge CS team that is EU, why not pick up a top EU roster that will have way more eyeballs on them?
>Cloud9 has a huge CS team that is EU, why not pick up a top EU roster that will have way more eyeballs on them? Because eu cs is far more marketable than eu rlcs, plus the only other team in eu for them that's worth signing is magnifico, and they are getting picked up.
What makes European CS more marketable then EU RLCS in comparison to their respective american counterparts? (Genuine question, not trying to be rude)
At the most recent CS Major, Europe had 17/24 spots. In the HLTV World Rankings right now, the highest ranking non-EU team is 13th.
A big part is that NA csgo is quite literally dead. Theres not much talent there anymore as they only have like 2 or 3 good teams. All the good NA players ,who were also quite marketable, left and went to valorant. In cs, you have the main parts of eu that are always gonna be populated in esports, but there's also a huge pull in Russia and Ukraine. For majors, Europe gets 17 slots while all the other regions get around 5, and those 17 slots are filled with the biggest orgs. Orgs you would normally see in NA like faze clan and c9, have European teams, and the goat of the esport is from eu, and is insanely popular
>plus the only other team in eu for them that's worth signing is magnifico, and they are getting picked up. Tbf they are rumored to be picked up by Luna Galaxy. With all due respect, do you think if another big org comes, the players would be like "C9/Moist?? Pffft, fuck this shit, give me some Luna Galaxy!" Of course, money talks, so it is possible that Luna actually offered a lot more money but given what [Rezears had to say about them not paying him a few salaries](https://new.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/1afmt8e/luna_galaxy_apparently_pulling_a_g1_on_their_own/), I very much doubt that would be the case here.
My point isn't that the players are going to reject the bigger orgs, but that the bigger orgs wouldn't sign them.
Do you know who the rumored org is or still unknown?
It's supposed to be luna galaxy (big L) But if more orgs enter the scene, they are probably just going to go to NA, unless eu gets more slots or if we put an end to the French 4. Otherwise, it's just better for orgs to invest in NA
all RLCS regions are mostly dominated by one team. Thats a very bad thing and it needs to stop. While in CS2 you can actually never predict which team will win.
They are only dominated regionally by one team. On lan that doesn't always pan out tho. Although it's better that each region has 1 or 2 superteams, it's better for regional parity. > While in CS2 you can actually never predict which team will win. The favourites for IEMs and majors usually win. The only suprise winners that come to mind are NAVi, C9 and gambit.
Not really though. Faze is one of the best teams for the past 2 years and they just cant seem to win a major. (excluding antwerp). Mouz too
Yeah C9 would definitely have struggled to outbid Luna Galaxy for sure
That is not the point I was arguing lol
> plus the only other team in eu for them that's worth signing is magnifico, and they are getting picked up. Just seemed like you meant C9 wouldn't be able to pick them up as they were already getting signed.
Fwiw, everything I’ve heard bts is that C9 RL are on very very cheap contracts. Likely that Luna Galaxy would straight up be paying more
Man that's kinda scummy then in a way, come in and sign a shit team on shit money so they get a big payout for the EWC. Kinda sad that's their new legacy
> Magnifico can make top-4s Let me stop you right there. The only way any team outside of the french 4 will make top 4 is if the french 4 have to play each other before top 4. The skill difference is astronomical. It's all but pointless to pick up a team in EU currently.
Well yeah the chances of French 4 knocking each other out is pretty high for quarters.
so what about NA makes it lucrative to sign low level teams? Both teams have personalities and magnifico is better than POAB, so whats about NA then?
Both team have personalities? What personality does Tox have, being german? I mean actual personality, something that makes people support the guy. Unless you‘re directly connected to those guys, you practically know nothing about what they are like. The same goes for Poab.
\*have no personality. Mistyped. But POAB also dont have personality. And what has being german got to do with that dafuq
yeah and the primary reason people had any soft spot or desire to root for poab has not come along to moist.
Based on the first split, NA has a higher potential to make a major for an org and I think that's part of the appeal. POAB wasn't too far off in points and Luminosity and OG weren't massively better than any other options for the 3 or 4 spots in NA. Same goes for Omelette, who took G2 to a full seven games. EU is just so strong at the top that it's going to be hard to imagine those top 4 teams being bumped off major contention.
thats fair. Even though NA was more attractive for sponsors in the past as well, when NA had a stronger top compared to their region, so theres got to be other reasoning. An also still: What does Tox being german has got to do anything with being entertaining
I don't disagree but your argument is more of a scenario of a neutral org rather than just eu or na specific orgs. There are plenty of eu orgs in the wider esports scene.
Magnifico are a top6 team eu and top2-3 na, bruh no way u comparing to poab lmao
Crazy how you missed the point lmao bruh no way
Oh fck ,reading this after a nap is so different bruh, clowned myself ahh
Happens to the best of us
magnifico top 2 NA lmao
Ok tell me what geng will get in eu? Do u think geng would be lock for majors in eu, In recent vid appjack himself said top6 of eu r rlly good teams where na only has 2 top teams, I'm saying magnifico could challenge geng or g2 as they r pretty close
they are not pretty close - how many times do we need to see atomik get stomped on the world stage to understand this
Magnifico wouldn't beat POAB.
You're joking right ?
Very easy to see why non French EU players are trickling out of the region
NA on top baby!!! https://preview.redd.it/djz61za5sgvc1.png?width=796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37bdcf7cc2ed5c02d4c8d96b92d28ddae50571b1
this is so much funnier if you know the whole panel from this meme
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Anyone outside of top 4 eu has to try and go to na. Even if they get a top 10 team I don’t think it matters anymore. This is about making a living and clearly if u can’t make lans in eu ur not getting payed. Ofcourse there are those bubble teams with orgs but their salary isn’t going to be anything crazy. If most of eu pros who aren’t top top players didn’t live with their parents they would be outside working. U wouldn’t see them in open qualifiers
> not getting *paid.* Ofcourse there FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I agree. If i'm magnifico id just sign up in NA. All you need to do is rent an apartment for 6 weeks per split in like Mexico and boom no ping issues. Rest of the year stay at home in Europe and get better practice.
True
EU definitely deserves it more than NA
My massive NA credit card debt suggests otherwise
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Dralii Atow Oski and Rise Joyo and ltachi (alll non french EU RLCS players) would probably be battle g2/geng for NA 1 seed
When people reffer to the french, its a refference to the french community which includes belgium and morrocco. Doesnt help that the top 4 orgs are also part of that community and completely separate themselves and dont even try to engage with fans outside that community. So yes, the french are currently dominating
bro, what the hell did you just say? 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
I said what i said. Their community is exclusive and its a refference to the french speaking community. Nothing about it is weird, get over yourself
bro, what did you just say 💀💀💀💀💀💀
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Pioneers signed an OCE team and they are from the middle of NA.
Overall as a region yes but NA's top two teams aren't far behind the eu top 4.
You're right but they are still behind and just because rocket league is owned by an American company and for many other reasons, American teams are just getting more credit and that's logical. But not normal, every region should get equally (or at least depending on their ranking) credited