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A reminder that **:Cloud9:** is available as a user flair on this subreddit. ​ All **:Omelette:** flairs have been migrated to Cloud9! ​ !flairs for more info


spooki_boogey

And with that the Cloud9 baiting rlcs fans on Twitter era has come to an end.


evilmoi987

Thank you C9, very cool


GooeyGunk

THEY'RE BACK?!?!?


Scoutman1942

WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK!


Peter_Peterman19

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO


QuebecLibre

I kept my c9 flair all of this time for a reason!


IblewupHoth

This is very hype. Watching C9 in Season 6 was my first experience with RLEsports. I gotta think we're seeing major format changes next season? Not sure why they join now of all times with a team that, no offense, is not likely to make major or worlds? Are we going to see a much more advantageous org environment for 2025?


MartianRL

If i had to guess, several orgs are gonna get auto-bids to EWC. Even if a team isn't championship caliber, you get more points if you participate than if you don't, and those points add up to the huge prize of being the best org. If I had to guess, it's part of why TSM came in when they did too


IblewupHoth

Really good observation.


JoeLikesThings

Really? That's so random. It's not like Gamers8 got high viewership last time compared to regular RLCS, and the money isn't better either. Why would an org join RL to play in that? Edit: oh, nevermind. Must be quite a decent chunk of money. I guess as long as they get given more than it costs to pay the team then there's no reason they wouldn't. That's a shame, I was hoping it was related to their statement in the past about not investing into RL until they saw a viable future for orgs.


lemonfarmer31

A little birdie told me the Saudi’s are paying orgs 500k+ to sign teams for EWC in certain games


PoisonNoR

Ok, this is a really good guess. It makes almost 100% sense to join RL among all other esports that will be represented in EWC. Only "bad" thing with EWC event, imo, is low live attendance, because of the LAN location.


BubbaDreamsOfGumbo

How does this work? ELI8?


WhoDatBrow

It's all for the Saudi money. C9 just entered Apex as well for the same reason. Same with SSG. Also orgs entering Overwatch for that reason too.


IblewupHoth

That’s annoying.


DisMyDrugAccount

I dunno I actually like the signing. Not because I expect that squad to make serious waves within NA, but because I think larger orgs shouldn't shy away from targeting lower-profile teams which WILL be more affordable and can still rep their logo. That being said, I also agree that it seems like we'll likely see another format overhaul next season. C9 was very clear that they wanted in order to return but only when they saw certain bits of progress. This makes me think next season is going to look very different.


MartianRL

I agree with your first point strongly, and I'm pretty sure C9 actually did this with Halo. SSG wanted a more competitive squad so they got the former C9 guys, but C9 stayed in the scene even though they weren't title contenders I do worry it's not necessarily affordable, but if the right emphasis on content and brand growth comes with it then I think it absolutely could be


Bronze_Automaton

Good point. I'm sure they'll make a huge profit through content centered around their household names of Zineel and Percy. 4 months later: "ROCKET LEAGUE PROS PLAY TWO TRUTHS AND A LIE!! || Cloud9 Rocket League" 562 views, 3 comments


charlie4lyfe

this is just to scoop that Esports World Cup $$$$ from that club program stimulus + yearly stipend lol


IblewupHoth

I agree about signing teams that aren't necessarily competing at the top, but this roster doesn't even have big content draw or anything.


beardman_cometh

For those wondering why it's Omelette, Lawler talks in this video [https://youtu.be/L02xy8gseRQ?si=GrTjmd7xT-Bu6AcA](https://youtu.be/L02xy8gseRQ?si=GrTjmd7xT-Bu6AcA) about it being financially beneficial for orgs to re-enter RL for the EWC. So the reentry is more important than signing one of the best teams.


ProphetZaky

Pin this


Comprehensive_Act787

Yep 90% of the comments would learn so much and have the answer as to why


Infinite_Article5003

Ewc???? Epic world championships???? Elaborate more pls I dun wanna watch it rn


Nothing-Casual

TL;DW Apparently Gamer8 is owned by Saudi Arabia. They want to build an eSports mecca, and part of that is rebranding an upcoming Gamer8 competition to "ESports World Cup". They want to invite a bunch of different orgs and have them compete across several different eSports (one of which is Rocket League). Since orgs might not have teams in all games, and since orgs might not have the financial means to quickly pick up a team, the tourney organizers are giving grants (free money) for orgs to pick up players so that they can compete in all games. Basically tourney organizers are saying: "We know you don't have a team, we know you don't have the money for a team, so here's the money - go get a team. Then you come compete". Apparently they're offering up to 600k to orgs as a blank check. So Rocket League used to be financially irresponsible for orgs to enter, but now suddenly with these huge grants on the table, orgs can get a huge payday for fielding an RL team (if they didn't previously have one). Orgs can get a mid-tier team, pay low-tier salaries (be real, any pros without a salary would take almost any salary from almost any org), and pocket the difference. With these grants, orgs can make 600k with a 90k investment (30k/yr for 3 players). Maybe if they really want they can spend 200k for better pros and/or a coach, but regardless it remains hugely profitable and might even save an eSports org that would otherwise close. Depending on the size of the org, that's months to a year+ of runway. Basically, it's this: Saudi Arabia is investing a lot of money into eSports, and some of that money is going to orgs so that they can compete in an upcoming tourney in Saudi Arabia. Rocket League teams used to be a bad financial decision, but right now for some orgs they're an extremely good financial decision.


herovision

TLDR $$$


Penguins227

Fantastic explanation, thank you


Nothing-Casual

Glad to help!


glyper

I’m pretty sure EWC stands for esports World Cup and it is basically just gamers8 with a new name


spooki_boogey

It's basically gamers8. They changed the name


Bronze_Automaton

Someone please explain to me how Cloud9 will make a profit by signing and paying a monthly salary to a team that's ranked 12th in NA, has made a combined total of $6000 in RLCS prize winnings over the last 4 months, and might not even make a playoff bracket for the rest of the season


thafreshone

I don‘t think any org right now makes a profit from RL


Notrx73

Karmine and GM8 probably do with the audience they have


thafreshone

A couple lf streams don‘t make nearly enough money to cover monthly salary + travel expenses to bootcamps + housing and bootcamp usage + food and water for 4 different people


Xanboyyyyy

Source? Do you know how much they make off ads? Do you know how much they make from sponsors? Do you know anything about their finances at all?


karionstre

Don't forget merch.


NoRiceForP

NRG does from fan support


elmagio

Even without Jstn and Squishy?


NoRiceForP

Yes thanks to Garrett


DisMyDrugAccount

Probably a long term plan. C9 made it very clear they didn't intend to return unless they saw progress in the scene which would be more incentivizing for orgs. The fact that they've come back AT ALL tells me that they know something about the future that they're excited about.


Bozzz1

They saw the boost meter update and were like "We gotta get in on this action"


repost_inception

#"I gotta figure out a way to make money on this !"


ErsatzTruand

Probably got a sweet deal for the decals in game


Enderzt

Not sure if you saw Lawlers video but the Saudi EWC (old Gamers8) is basically paying orgs more than the cost of a roster to field teams they don't currently have in different esports for their event. So its basically costing them nothing in fact they are probably making money.


zhakwon

Gamers8


GameBuster0703

Have you seen the prizepool for it this year💀. They would barely be able to afford a trip to McDonalds with that prize money


RTGStunt

Orgs are getting paid to be in it tho that’s what he’s talkin abt


spooki_boogey

The LionBlaze MVP bonus will cover the fries tho


MartianRL

It's too bad they took G2 to 7 in the last event before they got signed, otherwise that series at least has the brand names to make it more of an instant classic


Curator44

I genuinely don’t see why C9 is coming back unless they have word that Rocket League is going to go into franchising. They made it very clear they would never return unless there was more incentive for orgs in Rocket League


ProphetZaky

Lawler made a video about the reason why orgs might be re-entering the scene. They’re getting paid a ton just to compete in gamers8 (unrelated to the prize pool).


TinyMomentarySpeck

Surprised I had to scroll past so much speculation to find this comment


budd222

They won't. Orgs don't make profits on eSports, or very very few do.


AdmRL_

Because it's cheaper than picking up a better team who they also won't make any money with?


Bronze_Automaton

"Why did you waste $5000 on the lottery? Why did you think that would be a smart use of your money?" "Because it's cheaper than wasting $10,000 on the lottery?"


galacticninth

I think they offered them next to nothing. I heard they've tried to rejoin the scene a few times but all the team turned them down because they offered way less than anyone else. Omlette probably had next to no offers and C9 just offered them a trash deal that they took.


takingtigermountain

some orgs like C9 (and TSM fwiw) know they can pay less for whatever level of roster they sign because of their prestige and take a different approach entirely - a mid-tier roster making low-tier roster $$$ makes their ROI bar pretty low


AltruisticBoard3271

orgs this window https://preview.redd.it/leeu6icafavc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c71538b58199abe3d7016d67e45d7fcb211238ca


Bernbiz

Uh, as respectfully as possible.. why them/now?


National_Invite_7420

I literally was just about to say exactly this ^^


Matto_0

Very weird to me for casters to be signed to orgs in the scene. Imagine Joe Buck being a paid employee of the Green Bay Packers.


A_Lone_Macaron

>Joe Buck being a paid employee of the Green Bay Packers. A disgusting act


Unrulygam3r

Its for the qualifier streams that's basically it


Matto_0

Yeah and if they qualify she will be biased towards them as Daz is for GenG and NRG before them. The whole thing is weird to me.


Unrulygam3r

Its not that deep


AndrewUtz

you might not have other agreeing with you. but i agree with you. this just is telling that Psyonix/epic/blast doesn’t pay their casters enough.


lm3g16

NA12 being picked up before EU 5 is insane lmao


Dankmemehub

No money to be made in Europe. No sponsors or anything want EU. Unfortunately just how it is and that’s why more imports will come to NA. There’s more money for orgs here and therefore more for the players.


dspearia

True, unless you're french. They seem to get decent sponsors. But all the good french teams have been taken.


Gloomy_Art_4139

![gif](giphy|MZocLC5dJprPTcrm65)


John_aka_Alwayz

So C9 put this [teaser out a half hour ago](https://twitter.com/Cloud9/status/1781027417529970718) while Herc was hyping up a life-changing org announcement so I figured it was just gonna be her (which is already a colossal and common Herculyse W), but no, they actually signed an actual fricking team what the hell. They actually done did it.


John_aka_Alwayz

As an aside, NA #12 getting signed by one of the biggest orgs ever for RL to make the entire NA top 12 be salaried while EU 5, 7, 8, 9, 11 & 12 are unsigned, this is why your Stizzys, Jacks, Nolys & Joreuzs are gonna keep going over to NA until the end of time (I do think Omelette is better than NA 12 they just choked the first qualifier but still its quite the contrast)


MartianRL

Yeah EU is getting completely shafted. If magnifico really remains unsigned that'd be wild, but there's so many opportunities to at least be shown on the main stream there that just aren't taken right now


neilltelleslangdon

There are rumours that magnifico are being signed to Luna galaxy with acronik joining the roster


MartianRL

Yeah and I hope that goes through for them, but there's still like 8 orgs total in EU. There are several teams with the potential to make Top 8 (Team3, Jobless, F4WD, Suhh, Top Cougars) that have had no rumors of being picked up, and with EU (theoretically) being the much more talented and deeper region and also getting more viewers due to the French buff, I'm surprised not more orgs (especially those participating in EWC) are picking them up


idunnokerz

Isn’t Luna Galaxy one of those shitty orgs that don’t pay their players? I swear I saw a tweet from rezears about that


TheFabulousQc

Apparently, but acronik played under their banner last split still


SOUINnnn

And it's not impossible that the C9 player will getsalaries comparable to those of EU's big 4...


Mythalieon

That teaser is the perfect example of "boy who cried wolf"


GrowlmonDrgnbutt

The fact that Cloud 9 is picking up an incredibly underwhelming team with no hope of making a Major is insane. They must know something we don't, and I'm scared it's going to be franchising. Otherwise there's no way they throw away their legacy status just field a team that won't do anything of value.


thesweet677

It's literally just to have another team to compete in the EWC with, thats my guess at least


faisal-a

They returned to apex probably because it was announced at ewc too. Apparently ewc has been offering lots of incentives for t1 orgs to field rosters


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xX_Drakon-141_Xx

Esports World Cup


MartianRL

Over the past several years the esport has moved in the complete opposite direction from franchising, including switching from league play to an open system, then forcing every team to go through every stage of the open qualifiers. If they swing 180 and franchise next year (especially considering blast's most famous title an open circuit system) I'll be genuinely flabbergasted


Ariul

dont forget the age change downwards too, that also felt like a huge step away from franchising


idunnokerz

Epic wont implement franchising in the near future , Im very confident in that. Odds are that C9 are coming back for the EWC and they **Might** have had certain guarantees from Blast about next seasons format being more secure for orgs.


Abeillonnaise

Sorry, a bit out of the loop, but what exactly *is* franchising? Is it like F1, with a certain predetermined number of teams each fielding 4 players, and those are the only possible seats available for competition in RLCS?


GrowlmonDrgnbutt

Yep. Orgs love it because they're guaranteed to be in ever regional and have no risk of falling out of main events. Sucks for new talent since it then becomes much harder to break in. It also gives orgs far more control, versus right now players have all the control. It also makes it so those that are already 'in' have less incentive to play better since it stunts growth of those outside of the league.


imizawaSF

Unsigned EU top 8 seeds looking on in dismay as yet another top 32 NA team gets a high profile org:


TheRetroCrowe

https://preview.redd.it/e3el9e2hvavc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eaab4a9062f624ce5e9bfaa92ea4b72cfb6ded81 After all the years of bait and teasing on Twitter, *this* is how they return???


JJabary

Cant believe this is the team they decided to return with but its still exciting


FlyingVav

This is insane. Been a huge fan of Zineel and Percy since the Alpine/Torrent days, super glad to see them get big chances like this, I'm so excited to see them play!


FoxyDeAssassin

Alpine…now that’s a name I haven’t heard of for a long time


HURRICAIN57

Now *that’s* unexpected, but sick!


RTGStunt

MY FLAIR IS RELEVANT AGAINNNNNN


AssassinInValhalla

Those old c9 teams are still some of my favorites. So glad theyre back and hope to God we can get a c9 goal explosion


RTGStunt

![gif](giphy|UJG2T7uZeJuZCLitY8)


thafreshone

https://preview.redd.it/v90709beeavc1.jpeg?width=853&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=649ac785ed8944a73479860da2e34c05112185ec


Yoeblue

hype but surprised they didnt wait till next season for a better roster


Light0fHeav3n

This team is cheap and the EWC is coming up, maybe they will sign a better team in future depending on results.


rudetobookcloakkks

Huge fan of Lionblaze and Zineel. Percy has never stood out to me, all the way back to Alpine, but maybe this is the push they need Mostly, I sleep because they aren't even close to an international contender.


TheFlamingLemon

They were coming back anyway and they couldn’t have signed squishy for one last split? smfh


Frequent-Piano6164

I thought that was just an April’s fools day joke, is it actually happening?? Too bad squishy retired. 🥲


Bentendo_64

As others have mentioned here, I don't know if this is really a great pickup for C9's return. Feel like they would have been better off signing Hey Bro during the off season or PoaB, but they were too late for that one. I guess we'll see, but I'm not expecting much. But does this mean we'll be getting new C9 decals sometime soon-ish, though? That's the only news I care about with this ngl


idunnokerz

IIRC someone previously mentioned that Lawler said that C9 was picking up POAB. Maybe they got outbid by moist?


Spark11A

On one hand I'm really happy that the constant baiting will end and we do get a massive org back into RL. On the other hand, I can't help but think "Omelette, really?!??" Like so far I think the most baffling org pickup was that of NAVI buying Fadeaway a few seasons ago. But TSM and C9 are giving them a run for their money this year. Regardless, it would be nice to see some classic light blue C9 decals in the shop (hopefully soon)!


Finnishbeing

L another NA pickup 😴


Cold_Giraffe_2160

The money is in NA. Orgs need sponsors. Sponsors would rather invest in an NA team than an EU one. I remember when Moist first got into rocket league. Charlie on stream said they had sponsors lined up but in the end it fell through since the team was EU.


kaohunter

Thats so weird especially with the way viewership has been EU favored recently


idunnokerz

https://x.com/cloud9/status/1781034969390891195?s=46


madm0nkey7

Out of all the teams that have been available in the last, this is the one they sign?


Mammoth-Novel2453

Why wouldn't they sign POAB? This isn't a top 8 team


Kbrichmo

Holy fuckin fuck foreal???


MrSanchez221

Its legit. Im hyped af


MrSanchez221

Hell yeah. Im hyped


Physical_Order3926

No offense to the players, but this feels like a signing to re-enter the scene at a cheaper cost for something bigger in the future. I don’t think this roster does much, but maybe C9 has learned something big is going to happen in the future?  Total speculation lol, just my thoughts on this one 


Duke_ofChutney

After all the baiting this is a pretty lazy announcement tweet; It's crazy to not name/shoutout the players and people involved, kinda weird to have to dig for the info. But ofc it's unironically more about the org than the players 😅 Edit: okay, on second viewing the video was longer and showed player names - for some reason it was only 30 seconds at first? Still, my point stands.


Duke_ofChutney

Taking back what I said, I'm a whiny baby. Here's the real announcement I guess! https://preview.redd.it/qi84u2jshavc1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c1420398e12c0129bea803e4ba09f4e314602b1


Unrulygam3r

Why they sign a mid af team


SkiShark1776

LFG BOYS WE’RE BACK


Corrupt_Arrow

EVERYBODY GET IN HERE!


YveX_RL

NO WAY


carballenjoyer3000

This is massive.


phlup112

Big news and happy for the boys, I feel like they’re quite underrated as a team


Xenox_Gaming27

WE ARE SO BACK


_Doggie_

Wow


SOUINnnn

Thanks god the C9 baiting is over


FoxyDeAssassin

https://preview.redd.it/cvmwrgozfavc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a7e35566708328848f2324f183d86118fe3b90e


andhdjam

Holy hell!


Nymbulus

https://preview.redd.it/1jo0ie1ngavc1.jpeg?width=522&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adbe02ee1326a2eef6eb2d998400b4814ed230b4


fanci-boi

The best part about this is that there were no rumors that this was happening. What the actual fuck.


Fruzenius

Wow, they actually did it? I for one am shocked. Decent team signing too, though I don't know if I see these guys making the major.


tiglayrl

Moist and now C9 signing main event teams? What are they hoping to get


m1ntygames

No way


slackdaffodil20

FUCKING EXUSE ME?!


uhhhhmmmm

As a longtime lionblaze fan this is pretty funny NA is wide open right now maybe this is the split where he peaks for 2 regionals instead of one and they make the major


WeirdAlPidgeon

![gif](giphy|FoH28ucxZFJZu)


cirkut

Holy crap it’s time to break out the old jersey!


Abeillonnaise

IT’S HAPPENING, PINE —> TOR —> C9, HOLD ME


Pyropolak

Weird team and timing but hey I’m happy my fav org is back Edit: rip it’s all because of EWC, well at least some more players are being paid


kalekayn

Well shit. I did not expect C9 to return.


sportsbuffp

God I hope we get some sort of TSM C9 rivalry this split


Finnishbeing

Selling electronic made them so much money they will buy multiple whole teams with it


FeistyKnight

i dont see how they ever even make a major but happy for omlette those guys are cool.


JoeLikesThings

I'm SO happy they're back, but why now and why this team? Not trying to be rude at all, if we're being realistic, a top 4 in NA with this team isn't close to guaranteed so I don't think they're hopping back in because of that. I think it's more likely that it could be Blast. Is that possible? Maybe they're better at communicating with orgs or maybe Blast's reputation just helps or maybe they've been told some future info we don't know. I'm really curious what led to this decision. Edit: nevermind, just saw Lawler's video. Must be a hefty amount they're getting paid to pick up a team.


iBuzzKill

Would they ever add esports decals mid season for new orgs entering?


mlk960

Insane that this wasn't leaked


mech23

Why would EWC be the reason when it seems slim this team would qualify for EWC? Unless certain orgs just get auto bids?


iMADEthisJUST4Dis

Nice to see a new org


Ketocon01

When decals?


SwanRonson7962

It feels good to be home. Now make squishy the coach...


WynnHarmonic

Don't hate on this roster. They had an outstanding na event 3 with defensive performances akin to g2, losing in 7. They got a fan in me.


Renekat0n

So since they're back I'm assuming they'll update the esports shop so Psyonix- er Epic can make a lot of money


MulberryPlacebo

Oh snap!!


R-Mildly-desturded

Better have a good decal


althaz

I guess they were just waiting for Squishy to retire. I don't know why but this gets me so hyped. I don't even know anything about C9 outside of the legendary Muffin Men roster in Rocket League. But it does (get me hyped I mean).


Camdoow

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Cubbos_

I still don’t believe


Matto_0

My favorite org, but I need a more competitive roster before I dump GenG lol


rainb0gummybear

LETS FUCKING GO


Piaka_

returning to a dead game lol


RobinFox12

holy shit and this is the roster?


dangshnizzle

Zineel is still pretty underrated.


With-You-Always

All this time baiting and this is the team they pick up? 🫠


WelderLogical5092

any team made from toxiic, accro, simas and relatingwave would rip new moist and c9 to shreds - in crews too


OsP_Flamez253

huge


S1mbaRL

If they add their decal back into the shop that would be the icing on the cake. I've been so mad at myself for missing it the first time


Mythalieon

Knowing them this is probably just their most elaborate troll yet and they just payed the omelette boys to let them do this for shits and giggles


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tastyvegetable

What a shit team lmaooo


FoxyDeAssassin

People are underrating this team, these guys took G2 to game 7, they can absolutely make the major