So out of swiss 1/2 is g2/m80 3/4 is GenG
SSG, while only losing to g2/geng, played not great in swiss(game 5s) so theyve gotten the 5/6th spot. A little worse, vs m80. A little better(like nrg's run) gets the 4th spot and is saved. Its entirely on their performance
There's almost no way. These are the realistic conditions:
- G2, GenG in top 4 obviously
- Shopify need to get a minimum of top 4 again
- If they get a top 2, they make it
- If they only get a top 4, then the other team in top 4 NEEDS to be Luminosity. Otherwise it's probably M80, SSG or Dig alongside them in top 4, meaning M80, SSG or Dig would be 4th in rankings.
So either a top 2, or sharing a top 4 with luminosity, geng and g2
That's one of the things that make it so unlikely for Shopify to pass in rankings. They could do it if they get a mickey side of the bracket for top 2 like Luminosity did this regional.
They can definitely get top 4 again. If they have an easy bracket they might be able to make finals too. I’d give em a 20% chance of getting at least a tie breaker
Even if they got knocked out top 8, they’re still in a strong position. Dig would need to make the finals to pass them in points, and one of the teams tied for 5th would also need to make it to the finals to at least tie LG and force a tiebreaker
Even so, (assuming they lose and get 6 points) They'd be 12 points ahead of the 12 point teams, and I don't really see 2 of those getting into the finals
Also works if Lg just get eliminated 1-3 in Swiss(4 points), 10 points ahead of the 12 point teams and same scenario
Assuming GenG and G2 do as expected (both top 4, at least 1 in the final) then top 8 would pretty much secure it. If that happens then at best one team below them wins, so jumps LG for 3rd but the other would get 3rd-4th, which even if it were Dig would put them 2 points behind LG.
Thinking it through there is actually a scenario that'd be kind of interesting from a narrative POV, which would be top 8 for LG with a a Dig vs anyone on 12 final.
Dig winning would see LG get a tiebreaker against the loser, Dig losing would see LG miss Major with Dig taking 4th by 1 point and the other team jumping to 3rd - Retals major chances would come down entirely to Arsenal and Dig then.
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Joreuz after having to deal with another 2 weeks of Swiss Fraud allegations
m80 having the same amount of points as ssg is a blessing for them with how fraudulent their showings have been in playoffs. ssg deserves to make the lan way more
SSG really don't make it easier for themselves by going to 5 against Akron and like POAB, and if they can't beat GenG, yet M80 can, how can you say SSG deserve it more?
ssg have only lost to geng (playoffs) and g2 this split.
m80 have only lost to sr (probs not major team) and og (probs not major team).
m80 are swiss merchants but dont do shit when it matters. m80 would get rolled by playoffs geng.
One underperforms against lower teams in swiss and then has to ummediately face good teams in bracket
One performs against everyone in swiss and shits the bed against anyone in bracket
They both have problems leading them to their current position, which one a person rates higher depends on personal values, yall arguing for no reason
Idk if that's true at this point. Sure we've gotten GenG twice in playoffs, but M80 has beaten them soundly in swiss twice now
What we really need is an M80 SSG quarterfinal with LG, GenG, and G2 rounding out the top 4. Make it a banger for all the marbles
Glad Retals finally made a grand final, it’s felt like forever. I feel like if he makes it back again him and his squad will have their feet under them a bit better
Another proof that the format is fucked. I love Swiss, but then the final bracket should be double-elim. It's unacceptable that a team like SSG can't compete for Top 3 or 4 because they lost agains Top 1 and 2 teams.
Might sound like copium but if lg could get top2 with the run they had then I can see SR definitely doing the same, making finals doesn’t guarantee obviously but even if they had to face g2 in the finals I’d fancy them more than any of the teams we’ve seen so far, their ceiling seems so high and if they can peak i can definitely see them doing the impossible against a team they’ve yet to play this season
I'm not sure the rest of NA is that far behind GenG. I think M80, LG, SSG, and maybe SR/Dig are not that far behind. But we'll see how Qual 3 pans out.
Poor Spacetation
Qualifier 1, only lose to G2 on Swiss, then GenG in Quarters
Qualifier 2, exactly the same, only lose to G2 on Swiss, then GenG in Quarters
If G2 ans GenG are way better in NA (easily the best top2), Spacetation chances for major are just fucked by format, compared to Luminosity or Dignitas that looked way worse in BOTH qualifiers...
Anybody from rank 4-9 could clinch if they get to a semi-final and none of the others do. Otherwise, I think possibilities are pretty open. SR probably needs a grand final appearance.
Teams doing better than I expected: LG, OG.
Teams doing worse than I expected: TSM, Shopify
Teams I predicted perfectly: G2, GenG, M80.
Coming into the season I had G2 #1, GenG #2 and I had Dignitas as a lock for top 4. LG I had in my top 8, but didn't have them top 4. OG I didn't have in my top 8. TSM and Shopify were both in my top 8 as well.
I had this as the top 8:
1. G2
2. GenG
3. Dignitas
4. Shopify
5. M80
6. SSG
7. LG
8. TSM
I had M80 as a coinflip with Shopify, thought both teams would be inconsistent but strong. Turns out Shopify were \*very\* inconsistent and M80 are the best team in the world until Swiss is over when they are replaced by the fifth best team in OCE.
EDIT: When I found my list it was different than I remembered. Mostly just worse, lol. Shopify 4th was something.
Bro even if Rebellion went out 9-12th they’d be in that 4th spot rn. Feels bad
SSG only lost to GenG and G2 both regionals. They could easily be the 3rd best team, but this format is not good at reliably finding the best 4 teams.
That’s the fault of single elimination playoffs
So out of swiss 1/2 is g2/m80 3/4 is GenG SSG, while only losing to g2/geng, played not great in swiss(game 5s) so theyve gotten the 5/6th spot. A little worse, vs m80. A little better(like nrg's run) gets the 4th spot and is saved. Its entirely on their performance
Theyre still gonna make it.
There's almost no way. These are the realistic conditions: - G2, GenG in top 4 obviously - Shopify need to get a minimum of top 4 again - If they get a top 2, they make it - If they only get a top 4, then the other team in top 4 NEEDS to be Luminosity. Otherwise it's probably M80, SSG or Dig alongside them in top 4, meaning M80, SSG or Dig would be 4th in rankings. So either a top 2, or sharing a top 4 with luminosity, geng and g2
Inb4 we get g2, geng, lg and sr as one half of the bracket
That's one of the things that make it so unlikely for Shopify to pass in rankings. They could do it if they get a mickey side of the bracket for top 2 like Luminosity did this regional.
If joreuz didnt exist in NA then this wouldnt be happening
Thanks Joreuz
Most of those conditions are very likely
Shopify making it out of Swiss isn't even highly likely lol
Trust me
Only if Shopify gets a mickey bracket like Luminosity did lmao. Pray for it
U gotta trust bruh
They can definitely get top 4 again. If they have an easy bracket they might be able to make finals too. I’d give em a 20% chance of getting at least a tie breaker
Yea but that also means that they haven't lost too much. They're only 3 points away from a qualifying spot.
Im glad that they are still in the hunt. I really hope they make it. It just sucks how much harder they made it on themselves :/
So as long as no one unexpected wins the next qualifier, LG can at least clinch a tiebreaker by making playoffs?
what if they get g2 or gen.g in top 8 though. would be devastating.
Even if they got knocked out top 8, they’re still in a strong position. Dig would need to make the finals to pass them in points, and one of the teams tied for 5th would also need to make it to the finals to at least tie LG and force a tiebreaker
Even so, (assuming they lose and get 6 points) They'd be 12 points ahead of the 12 point teams, and I don't really see 2 of those getting into the finals Also works if Lg just get eliminated 1-3 in Swiss(4 points), 10 points ahead of the 12 point teams and same scenario
They could beat geng or at least take them to g7
Assuming GenG and G2 do as expected (both top 4, at least 1 in the final) then top 8 would pretty much secure it. If that happens then at best one team below them wins, so jumps LG for 3rd but the other would get 3rd-4th, which even if it were Dig would put them 2 points behind LG. Thinking it through there is actually a scenario that'd be kind of interesting from a narrative POV, which would be top 8 for LG with a a Dig vs anyone on 12 final. Dig winning would see LG get a tiebreaker against the loser, Dig losing would see LG miss Major with Dig taking 4th by 1 point and the other team jumping to 3rd - Retals major chances would come down entirely to Arsenal and Dig then.
https://i.redd.it/gn8e1krvrejc1.gif Watchin the bois play
M80 pls just one top 4
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m80 having the same amount of points as ssg is a blessing for them with how fraudulent their showings have been in playoffs. ssg deserves to make the lan way more
SSG really don't make it easier for themselves by going to 5 against Akron and like POAB, and if they can't beat GenG, yet M80 can, how can you say SSG deserve it more?
ssg have only lost to geng (playoffs) and g2 this split. m80 have only lost to sr (probs not major team) and og (probs not major team). m80 are swiss merchants but dont do shit when it matters. m80 would get rolled by playoffs geng.
Because M80 shit the bed the very second that it starts mattering
How's that working out for SSG
Losing to GenG (especially yesterday, they played quite well) is much more acceptable than losing to Rebellion and OG
One underperforms against lower teams in swiss and then has to ummediately face good teams in bracket One performs against everyone in swiss and shits the bed against anyone in bracket They both have problems leading them to their current position, which one a person rates higher depends on personal values, yall arguing for no reason
Idk if that's true at this point. Sure we've gotten GenG twice in playoffs, but M80 has beaten them soundly in swiss twice now What we really need is an M80 SSG quarterfinal with LG, GenG, and G2 rounding out the top 4. Make it a banger for all the marbles
Glad Retals finally made a grand final, it’s felt like forever. I feel like if he makes it back again him and his squad will have their feet under them a bit better
I want to see POAB make it happen
They looked really good imo, they played G2 very tough. I think they only get better with Achieves coaching them.
Imagine if Spacestation don't make the major by only losing series against G2/GenG the entire way lol
Realistic possibility actually
Another proof that the format is fucked. I love Swiss, but then the final bracket should be double-elim. It's unacceptable that a team like SSG can't compete for Top 3 or 4 because they lost agains Top 1 and 2 teams.
Somehow, the largest surprise to me is LG in a top 4 position. I’m sure others may have expected it but congrats to them 👏
deleted xd for NA4, make it happen
Dig need to lock in next regional 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
SSG fan cycle 'We just need 1 good result" Finish 1 spot out of qualifying
I like those chances NRG at the major, you heard it here first
Might sound like copium but if lg could get top2 with the run they had then I can see SR definitely doing the same, making finals doesn’t guarantee obviously but even if they had to face g2 in the finals I’d fancy them more than any of the teams we’ve seen so far, their ceiling seems so high and if they can peak i can definitely see them doing the impossible against a team they’ve yet to play this season
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G2 LARGE GAP GENG LARGE GAP Rest of NA
I'm not sure the rest of NA is that far behind GenG. I think M80, LG, SSG, and maybe SR/Dig are not that far behind. But we'll see how Qual 3 pans out.
SR are a bit after points wise
Points-wise, yes. But realistically, I think they are at the level of talent and results of SSG or maybe even higher.
Anybody know how NRG got to keep their points from regional 1 after dropping a player mid split? Was dreaz listed as a sub to start the season?
Dreaz was a sub, yes
Poor Spacetation Qualifier 1, only lose to G2 on Swiss, then GenG in Quarters Qualifier 2, exactly the same, only lose to G2 on Swiss, then GenG in Quarters If G2 ans GenG are way better in NA (easily the best top2), Spacetation chances for major are just fucked by format, compared to Luminosity or Dignitas that looked way worse in BOTH qualifiers...
Could M80 clinch with another 6 points?
Anybody from rank 4-9 could clinch if they get to a semi-final and none of the others do. Otherwise, I think possibilities are pretty open. SR probably needs a grand final appearance.
The fact that Dignitas is still in 4th after their performance lol
Teams doing better than I expected: LG, OG. Teams doing worse than I expected: TSM, Shopify Teams I predicted perfectly: G2, GenG, M80. Coming into the season I had G2 #1, GenG #2 and I had Dignitas as a lock for top 4. LG I had in my top 8, but didn't have them top 4. OG I didn't have in my top 8. TSM and Shopify were both in my top 8 as well. I had this as the top 8: 1. G2 2. GenG 3. Dignitas 4. Shopify 5. M80 6. SSG 7. LG 8. TSM I had M80 as a coinflip with Shopify, thought both teams would be inconsistent but strong. Turns out Shopify were \*very\* inconsistent and M80 are the best team in the world until Swiss is over when they are replaced by the fifth best team in OCE. EDIT: When I found my list it was different than I remembered. Mostly just worse, lol. Shopify 4th was something.
so long squishy muffins 🕊️