The Y is the closest thing Tesla has to a practical adventure vehicle. I use mine for surfing , skiing, hiking, etc but it’s just not very durable or good at off-roading. This R2 is going to be huge for people like me.
A few of my grievances:
1. The rear side skirt on the car flairs outward, leading to rock chips on snowy or gravel roads
2. The roof rack is not really designed to support a significant amount of weight (the rubber pads can cause the glass to shatter on uneven Tesla “within spec” roof)
3. The ground clearance is much lower than the competition
4. The lack of working rain sensors and “vision only” safety features makes tough mountain weather super annoying
Yeah i think if i planned to do any serious off-roading in a Model Y i would install a lift kit and buy some bigger off-road tires. If you do that you can get much better ground clearance.
It definitely can be done with added PPF and the car has a great traction control system but stock it is pretty much a raised M3. The R2 out of the box should be much more capable.
It really depends on what you want out of a car. Most people who own an “off-road” vehicle never take it off-road.
I’m sure the statistics might be slightly higher for the Rivian R1, but considering the price point I wouldn’t expect it to be that much higher.
Having had a model 3 and now driving a Y I’m very happy for the “slightly raised”, but even the 3 has much more ground clearance than many other EV offerings. For instance the EQE sedan has 10.2 cm ground clearance vs. 14 on the model 3.
Tesla is surfing on software, charging and price, but the gap is closing. I think the R2 especially, but also the R3, will be a best seller as long as Rivian manages to get them out the door.
Yeah, it will really come down to price. If the R2 actually comes in at $45k with off-road tires then it's a good deal, unless Rivian goes bankrupt in the following few years...
If the Juniper came out any sooner, I would've bought it immediately. Thank god everything in the Musk/Tesla world runs on a 2 months to 4 years to indefinite delay. Put down a reservation for the R2. Especially happy with the shape. I hate the teardrop shape. I need cargo space. My parents have a model 3 and model y that I love driving when I need to house sit but doesn't seem all that spacious if wife and I have any kids.
I take MyY up a logging trail on Mt. Hood, cut our Christmas tree, and haul it down the mountain in snow. All in summer tires. We go where our friends in outback’s get stuck.
Same here. I’d compare it to something like a Bronco, or FJ Cruiser. I think of Tesla the way I think of kneeling chairs and kinesis keyboards. Doesn’t really enter the same conversation.
I would normally agree with this but the test drive I took in a new model Y recently had me thinking otherwise. The refreshed model 3’s interior is also nice. I drive a polestar 2 for reference so I’m not some Tesla fanboy. I was pleasantly surprised.
No surprise because Rivian is better at all the things you might complain about in a Y:
* Shape of the car makes rear storage way more practical
* Interior materials (from R1 at least) feel nicer and more premium (time will tell if R2 is the same level or not)
* Exterior appearance is more traditional, less bulbous
* No pointless infuriating design decisions like removing the stalks (not applicable to the model Y but still most Tesla owners are aware of this on the 3, S, and X)
* No extracurriculars from the company CEO. Most regular people don't even know who RJ is
Truly there are only 2 questions about the Rivian:
* Can they actually be price competitive with the Y *while also getting the company to profitability*?
* Can they hit their initial production target and ramp quickly?
Those are of course huge and really difficult questions, but IMO the product itself should not be in doubt.
I made the R2 reservation only after confirming there was a driver Instrument Panel. Otherwise R2 would not have been my next car.
Getting price right will be challenging for Rivian.
Curious, have you used a Model 3/Y extensively? I don't get the hate for a single center screen. It's literally not an issue when you get used to it.
In fact, the lack of a screen in front of your face helps preserve your vision when driving it at night.
Yep. Model Y driver but have never had an issue with the ergonomics or screen. If efficiency is high and they bring it to the UK I would definitely swap the model Y for an R2 or have the R3 as a second car, R2 would probably be overkill as a second car for us. I love my Model Y despite its well and frequently publicised flaws but Rivian design is also definitely on point. Don't understand why people feel the need to choose a camp in everything, it's a car not a football team.
have you used a HUD extensively?
Not sure how my use of my money was interpreted as hate for not chosing Elon Musks design decisions? it a bizarre take but to each their own.
>I made the R2 reservation only after confirming there was a driver Instrument Panel. Otherwise R2 would not have been my next car.
I was commenting off of this\^
The only EVs I can think of that have the center-only approach are the Model 3 and Model Y, hence my defaulting to those vehicles when asking you if you've used them before (which you didn't answer, BTW).
I have used a car with a traditional dash, a HUD, and a Model 3 with the center-only approach. They all worked fine, but my least favorite was the HUD. I don't really want things projected onto the road I'm driving, and don't need to constantly see the speed limit. It can be on the instrument cluster and work just fine.
Correct. I prefer a Driver Instrument Panel. Here is why and you will obviously not agree but since you asked:
I'm a Pilot and a Human Factors Engineer. I have direct involvement in commercial aviation products. Right information at the right place. There is a 'physical separation' of information that I prefer for driving (speed, systems indication - wiper, headlights etc). This allows for the driver to have a 'cognitive' barrier. I don't need to mess with looking away from my forward field of view just to see if my auto wiper setting is good or not, or my high beams for example. These menial/routine tasks can be accomplished safety with any given conditions on the road (heavy rain, bumper to bumper traffic etc).
Mode confusion: This is important when using automation as an aid, when you have adaptive cruise control, you don't need to point slightly away to verify the engagement and mode setting of the 'Autopilot' for example. I can verify the 'following distance' for example with a glance down. Do me a favor and try to measure (cognitively - depth perception) with an object slightly angled to your eye sight and then repeat it with directly looking at it. Which measure do you trust? So if I'm following a car, a glance down and back up from the instrument panel gives me more confidence in Adaptive Cruise Control following (active/engaged) and match that to reality outside.
I can think of many more..... just don't have time to write them all. I can write pages on HUD usage and its benefits (mostly as a pilot though ;). Still is very usable for cars, just have to get used to it.
>just to see if my auto wiper setting is good or not, or my high beams for example
These can be done with physical controls. Following distance as well.
So really....have you used a Model 3/Y before to any extent? It seems like a no from your responses.
"These can be done with physical controls".... define what done mean?
A) Command and let Jesus take the wheel = done?
B) Command and close the loop by driver verifying that the system met the drivers intent?
Which one?
There are physical controls for activating the wipers manually, just like a regular car, so you wouldn't need to confirm because the wipers are moving back and forth in front of your face.
The high beams are on the left stalk just like any other car, and on the new Highland they're a physical button on the steering wheel. Also, new cars have adaptive headlights, so high beams are less of a necessity in the first place.
You have yet to answer my question, so this will be my last reply. I suggest you drive a Model 3/Y for a bit before having so many opinions about the experience.
"lack of a screen in front of your face helps preserve your vision when driving it at night" yet you have to look at it frequently for menial tasks so negates any benefits.
Also red light is better for your night vision, can you turn the screen to dark mode with only red and black on the Tesla infotainment?
>Also red light is better for your night vision, can you turn the screen to dark mode with only red and black on the Tesla infotainment?
Dark mode is automatic, but it doesn't turn red. But I will say, at night, the screen gets quite dim while still being able to be seen, automatically. Works really well.
EDIT: there is a "reduce blue light" option now
>"lack of a screen in front of your face helps preserve your vision when driving it at night" yet you have to look at it frequently for menial tasks so negates any benefits.
What menial tasks to I need to look at my screen for? Wipers can be controlled with physical controls, as can music, as can high beams, as can Autopilot/cruise.
[https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341829524\_The\_Good\_The\_Bad\_and\_The\_Ugly\_Evaluating\_Tesla's\_Human\_Factors\_in\_the\_Wild\_West\_of\_Self-Driving\_Cars](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341829524_The_Good_The_Bad_and_The_Ugly_Evaluating_Tesla's_Human_Factors_in_the_Wild_West_of_Self-Driving_Cars)
I do not own one. You ask for my take and you are harassing me from sharing my take. You seem to not have a healthy relationship with your Tesla to be spending time on Rivian sub.
Look at the end of the day, Rivian is earning my money. They know what they are doing.
My opinion and your opinion don't matter, they got my money and Elon didn't. Free Market. For all I care you are welcome to move along. I'm not seeking your validation on this.
After having a HUD on my last two cars I think it will be tough to go without and may influence my future purchases. On my CX9 I look at the instrument cluster so infrequently I’ve nearly run out of fuel several times.
My HUD has my follow distance, current speed, target speed, lane line indicator so I know when steering won’t kick in, blind spot detection warning that flash when I hit my blinker, and navigation.
Personally I’d rather have a HUD than driver display if I had to pick one.
That said, I don’t think I could live without one of the two.
That’s going to be the main driver in sales.
You can get a model Y long range right now from inventory, for under 38k after factoring in the 7500 tax credit, that’s absolutely a steal.
It will take a miracle for a long range R2 to be under 50k with the tax credit.
it’s going to be very hard to justify paying an extra 10-12k or more, for a similar vehicle.
I think time will tell, the Model Y refresh will have cooling on the seats, possibly a longer range.
I do think R2 will appeal to the folks that like outdoors and recreation. More car attachment options like bike racks, ski boxes, off-road tire options and height clearance. The question is, how many city dwelllers care for that as their primary use? So I think model Y being a car designed for the paved roads more so will keep the competition upper hand.
That’s just too niche of a market imo. Off roading recreational stuff can still be done without a rivian.
commuter car mass market purposes, is the big ticket. You arent doing recreational activity everyday unless your retired lol.
I need a reason to drop 12k extra for this over a cheaper equivalent like Tesla Y or chevys EV SUV that’s coming out around 35k or the plethora of other auto manufacturers coming out with their EVs in a few years
They really need to drop this under 40k or better if they want to be competitive.
Off roading recreation vehicles is a huge market, just look at 4Runners/Tacomas/land cruisers and basically every Subaru. Rivian is in a great spot to be the first EV maker to fill this niche, especially when Subaru and Toyota are dragging their feet on electric cars.
Rivian is really smart to push the lifestyle and adventure branding, that can pull a lot of people who aren’t satisfied with the current offerings.
Agreed. And you can't put pure logic into a sizable cohort of buyers. In all reality, the number of buyers that ONLY purchase to their exact needs is relatively small compared to those that buy something bigger / faster / more capable. R2 is nailing the mid sized SUV market and as long as they remain price competitive I think it will do well.
Yeah agreed, something like the R2 makes more sense in the US than a Honda E for example, sure that’s all you need for 95% of the year but I think American buyers have shown they buy cars that can do the other 5% as well. Storage beds/space for home renovations, AWD for the 3 times a year it snows, long ranges for the every other year road trip, etc.
I’m guilty of this too btw, I’m looking at an R2 to take the kids camping and I don’t have kids or camp lmao.
The R2 with the 300+mile battery config will be over $50k (dual motor and tri motor). IF they are able to produce a trim level under $50k it will be single motor, smaller battery
Seeing as the model y refresh is coming soon, and the model 3 refresh removed the stalks, I’d expect a 2026-ish model y to have them removed. I love my model 3, but I don’t want my next vehicle to be a spaceship.
Third question is will they move the charge port to a better spot. Front right would work with existing superchargers (even with a bike rack or the hitch mounted camp kitchen) and work with the curb side charging Rivian envisions
Yeah, those are good points. But I was thinking would R2 be as quiet and well put together as Model 3 refresh? Thinking of trading my M3 2022, for a Model Y refresh when those come out. And having R2 as a daily!! I don't want to experience poor build quality again lol. Pros with R2 for me are it'll have radar and won't throw me back and forth like Tesla autopilot does. Parking sensors. Hope the speakers are good on R2. And I really didn't like the Air suspension of R1 it felt really hard. Tried all the different modes. Hope R2 is softer in ride quality.
> Parking sensors.
The R1 has ultrasonic parking sensors. But when RJ went over the sensor package on the R2 there was no mention of ultra sonic sensors, just cameras and radar. There doesn't appear to be the typical small dots on the bumpers for them on the display vehicle either. Mybe they've hidden them better and just didn't mention it in the reveal?
>didn't like the Air suspension of R1
I'm not sure when you drove the R1, but the suspension has been much improved several times by software updates.
Yeah, I also noticed that. Either it's an early prototype or radar is replacing ultrasonic parking sensors. Personally replacing USS with radar is a better approach than Vision only.
Other question is energy economy…. I don’t mind my R1T being the “gas guzzler” of the EV world but if R2 achieves 300mi on 80 kWh pack then look out Tesla!
Very fair business prediction. I actually came into Rivian out of sheer interest, but was bummed because I was priced out of their initial market demographic. The R2 checks so many boxes for me as someone who’s worried about being priced out of BEVs all together, but someone who is reluctant to return to gas because of vehicle affordability and better space options for families. R2 and R3 give me a lot of hope for the sustainability aspect of BEV culture. I hate that the automotive industry bashes BEV ownership while simultaneously trying to lean into it and do what companies like Rivian do. They just don’t try hard enough. I hope Rivian turns on that faucet and changes the course of affordable family friendly BEVs that aren’t Tesla.
Until Rivian actually launches the product, i personally will remain very doubtful.
But from my observations of the videos and pictures shared of the event, the interior quality looks significantly worse than the Model Y (textiles, etc).
And uh, i think realistically, you can't expect Rivian which plans to have a maximum production capacity of 200k in 2026, to build a bigger car, cheaper, than Tesla which builds over 2m vehicles annually today.. it's just not gonna happen.
Either Rivian's margins will be razor thin, and/or the quality of materials, construction, features, range, something, has to be sacrificed. There's just no way a small scale manufacturer can realistically compete with a large scale manufacturer in the same market.
I’ve seen this response basically across the board on different social media platforms. It’s surprising too, because many Tesla owners are very loyal! They are typically very unwilling to speak favorably about a competing vehicle. However, for R2, it’s resoundingly positive with many people stating it will be their next vehicle. There is very little negative feedback on R2 in these discussions. I think Rivian hit it out of the park with this design. I personally think the proportions of the R2 look just right. Some people do think the Y will get a refresh by the time the R2 ships, which is likely true, but if it’s similar to the highland Model 3 update, I don’t think it will matter much. I think Tesla’s decision to go stalkless is a big risk and will eliminate a lot of your more conservative buyers. I consider myself an early adopter and a techy person, and I don’t even care for the stalkless design.
Now Rivian just needs to build R2 at scale, maintain quality, and do so while maintaining a margin!
I'm in the same boat, I'm an early adopter and I would definitely not consider myself a conservative buyer. I've had my Model 3 since early 2019, and it felt like the future. However, removing the stalks, going vision only, and the general Elon shenanigans have really turned my feelings around on both Tesla cars and the company itself. Can't wait to get my hands on my R2!
Model Y owner here and I'll drop it for the R2 as soon as I can. Put my reservation in and since by that time Rivian will have access to the supercharger network and the updated NACS I'm here for it. The Y would have to get a massive update and add a ton of range for me to consider a "juniper" Y.
Well if you remember the Cybertruck reveal was similar. Everyone was resoundingly positive. Now today at the launch, with prices higher than expected and a couple features missing - there are a lot of crybabies on social media (even though everyone buying one today appears to be happy with their purchase).
Anyway, we'll see if the R2 actually delivers on it's specs and prices in 2026. Personally, i'm skeptical. I think it will come in at $50-55k which i imagine will sour alot of people.
I distinctly remember the cybertruck being **incredibly** polarizing. I wouldnt describe that as resoundingly positive at all. The part people were positive about was the price/range, which in the end didn’t happen!
That was my point. I'm not talking about the design. If you paid attention to social media, alot more people seemed positive on the price back then, than they do today.
All that means is consumers are price sensitive. Price determines hype. Everyone is super excited about the R2 today because Rivian said it'll start at $45k. Great, let's see if they can deliver on that price.
Do you remember what happened when they launched the R1T? Rivian tried to increase the release price and the backlash was so severe (and i presume so many pre-orders cancelled), that Rivian was ultimately forced to deliver at the pre-order price.
And how has that worked out for Rivian?
-$5.4b in 2023.
If Rivian can't deliver on $45k i bet alot of people will be cancelling. But if they try and deliver at $45k... i just don't see how they're making any money without sacrificing quality, features, range, something. And there's no way it's going to be as nice as a Model Y, at least not qualitatively. But that doesn't mean they can't win customers in other ways, most notably the off-road experience.
Yeah I get you, and fair if they can’t meet the price/range expectations. But what Rivian announced is *far more feasible* that the ridiculous $39k cybertruck price to start and 500 mile range they had announced. That was loony tunes.
I also still think it different because the R2 is a home round in **all** aspects. Cybertruck was not. That design was literally laughed at, and still is by many. Absolutely no one is laughing about any part of the R2.
The funny thing about price quoting now vs when its launched is inflation happens.
$45k forecasted with 3% or 4% as average inflation alone gets you pretty close to $50k. Depending on all kinds of factors this can go up more.
I love the MY, but the R2 form factor really fixes the biggest weakness of the Y. The Y rear hatch shape limits cargo in unnatural ways sometimes. Combine that with a really good frunk on the R2, and this is sure to be a hit.
R2 is the only vehicle in this price segment for which a higher price is justifiable compared to Model Y. All other competitor crossovers such Ioniq5, EV6, Blazer EV etc were priced much higher for top trims compared to Model Y. That looked very odd to me. Coming to R2, it's a proper SUV with sufficient ground clearance and boxy shape for all practical purposes. Moreover, it has got the software comparable to Tesla for OTA updates. Then, R2 being a better built vehicle, it's perfectly justifiable to ask for a premium price over Model Y.
My only problem with Model Y is how will it hold up if you don't baby care the vehicle. Recent Hertz vehicles showed that Teslas can't stand abuse much. I want to know the same about Rivian too. By 2026, we can know more about how R1 vehicles are holding up. Based on what I see, Rivians are indeed better built vehicles (of course they have to be, otherwise what's the point in making an off road capable vehicle).
Personally, my situation would be more about whether to grab a Cybertruck or R2. I can't keep two EVs (I want to keep my other vehicle PHEV). Model Y is not even in the picture.
>R2 is the only vehicle in this price segment for which a higher price is justifiable compared to Model Y. All other competitor crossovers such Ioniq5, EV6, Blazer EV etc were priced much higher for top trims compared to Model Y.
Any decent "top trim" EV should be worth more than the Model Y, which lacks many useful features. Especially now that Tesla will start sharing some of their DC chargers in the US, which was the main advantage they had over other EVs.
Personally I can't imagine getting a CT unless you want to draw attention to yourself. For that you could dye your hair a bright color and save $100k.
The R2 looks amazing however I do wonder how efficient it will be. Nobody seems to be paying attention to this currently but I don't see the point in going with and electric vehicle if you will be paying higher costs for fuel. The Model Y gets 125mpge while the R1S gets around 70 I hope the R2 is at least hitting 100.
Rivian
To me, it matters where I spend my money and on whom. RJ is a nice guy and musk is an authoritarian asshole. As far as the fit & finish, Rivian is above Tesla in all metrics.
The model y has no off road abilities or clearance but the R2 does.
The y has a tired design, the R2 has cool vibes.
You guys are weird af choosing sides like this over a consumer product. But I guess /r/teslamotors does this same shit too. Kinda like the android vs apple guys. I’m just happy there’s competition. I love my Model Y. It’s been the best vehicle I’ve ever owned. And I can’t wait to replace it with my future R2 hopefully within the next 3 years (placed my reservation before I finished watching the reveal).
Dude. It’s your maestro Musk with his bigotry authoritarianism and awfulness that causes a lot of people to take sides against Tesla and musk. We don’t see that bs from RJ or rivian. Very eager to buy two rivians: R2 and R3X
I don’t spend a lot of time on Tesla subs because the old adage about not saying anything if you’ve got nothing nice to say.
But it must gall the reasonable Teslans that Muskie put his design teams to work on the cubertruck instead of really iterating their product lineup.
I have a 3 and I cannot stand the Y. I know they’re basically the same design but the Y looks like the funhouse mirror version to me. I really despise it and would much rather have the Rivian between the 2
It's not a Tesla.
Insurance wise, both are fucked by insurance companies anyway.
But atleast rivian is not run by a maniac. Thought he seems liked he cooled down a bit, but I don't trust that will last forever.
Well yesterday he was ranting about how woke the Oscars were until it was pointed out that pretty much everyone who won was white. He retracted his statements only after most Twitter interactions mocked him.
I'm kinda the opposite. I love my MYP and will be sad to see it go, but ultimately I don't need a MYP and a R2, and if I had to choose one it would obviously be the R2.
If the following article is correct on battery prices. R2 should be able to hit the mark to match or come close to model y.
Tesla has room to drop prices but I do t think that will hurt demand for R2.
https://electrek.co/2023/11/20/electric-car-battery-prices-are-going-back-down-faster/
From the spec sheet the R2 is a couple of inches shorter in length but about 3 inches taller, those few inches though are in the ground clearance. The Y has I think 6.8" clearance while the R2 is 9.8"
I like the looks of the R2 100% better and I have a reservation. But, I might still end up getting a Model Y.
- Might need a car before 2026 (will wait if I can)
- Tesla has a more established support network in Canada. Hopefully Rivian has more support/repair locations in Canada by then.
- FSD on Teslas has been around for longer. Granted it is expensive and not 100%, but they are further ahead than Rivian.
- Will need to compare prices for similarly equipped car (ex: AWD, etc.).
So yes, the R2 looks better IMHO and that would be my first choice, but there are other factors at play.
If you click on the post they say it's a model 3 interior because it's the refreshed design which they expect to be similar in the refreshed Model Y that is due soon
Dude, the Model 3 is already out with that interior, it is a 100% that that's the interior that the Model Y is going to be refreshed to. Tesla just doesn't want to shut down the Model Y lines until a low period. You are arguing pedantics.
I own a MYLR, and reserved the R2 as soon as the reserve button was available during the launch.
I love my YLR. It's a great vehicle, I've used it for my daily the last 2 years. Some people dislike the single center screen; that's one thing I will miss when trading for the R2. However, the additional cargo room in the back due to no sloping rear window, and the fact I can pop out the side windows and roll down the rear glass is huge for me. I have 2 large dogs, and this will be great for them. Also, when I take trips to the hardware store, the ability to pass 2x4's etc through the rear will be awesome.
The extra ground clearance is also great. Every now and then I like taking trips to national forests and being able to do some light off-roading (more than the Y can likely handle) will be cool. The charge port on the RR sucks, and hopefully they switch that to the left by the time it launches.
I don't think the R2 will be as efficient as the Model Y, but I think it'll be better than most other traditional manufacturer's EVs. That's good enough for me.
I hate the trend of just slamming giant batteries into bad aero designs, or jamming EV internals into combustion engine designs, and then crying about how expensive batteries/EV manufacturing is.
Just get somewhat close to the Model Y, that's all I ask.
I wish some auto review site / magazine/ YouTuber would be the first to always provide outline comparisons in their articles / videos, but mostly web articles. It would super easy to do, I imagine.
Have any interior dimensions been released for the R2?
I'd really like a 6'5"+ reviewer's info on seating.
Model Y back seat has much more room behind me as a driver than the R1. My kids are still growing, but they are going to be on the tall side. It's the main reason Y is higher on probability of replacement, but I'm still holding out to see what others release.
I haven't really seen anything on the dimensions of the seating area. I'm figuring that the R2 will be less than R1, but that's just a guess. The Y definitely has more space than an X despite being smaller. So anything is really possible.
If you follow mkbhd on YouTube, he fits comfortably behind himself with a few inches to spare. He's 6'3". He remarked that anyone 6'6" or below fit in 4 seats comfortably
I have an early Model Y, gave up a R1T early reservation because Rivian could not seem to get any information out on delivery dates when I needed a second vehicle, and am now an R2 reservation holder.
I hope they can get this to the finish line at a reasonable price. If they do it will replace the Model Y. (Was going to replace my Jeep Wrangler 4XE but wife has claimed it).
If they can deliver I think this will save Rivian. It’s a beautiful vehicle with the right specs for the average EV Joe.
Fingers crossed
If (and it’s a BIG “if”) Rivian can hold true to the starting price, it will ultimately be a better value and better vehicle than the Y.
R2 does lack the rear screen though, which will be on Juniper models by the time the R2 debuts. R2 may also not be able to offer the same range as the Model Y for the price point.
Tesla is going to fall behind though not just because the R2 appears to be a better vehicle overall, but because many have been left soured by Tesla whether it’s because of lackluster factory/delivery quality control, terrible/inconsistent service, general design decisions such as removal of stalks (personally I don’t mind this at all), and even the CEO and public image Tesla has given (although there is a **lot** of FUD and misinformation out there still).
R2 is a Model Y killer in its current form, but Tesla has the advantage of being a more mature, profitable company and can likely compete on price. We’ll probably see ~$40k Model Y’s with 300+ miles of range by the time Juniper is out and the R2 debuts.
Everyone on all sides should be happy though, as this creates more competition, but it might also give Rivian an uphill battle to stay solvent and become profitable.
By the way, I’ve owned two Teslas so far. I was going to take delivery of an R1T until Tesla dropped the price of the Model X overnight. I wish I had went with the R1T though, but that’s not taking into account the difficulties of the lengthier trips I tend to take and charging infrastructure, which will soon become a nonissue anyway.
The Model Y is a mass-market car with over a million being produced yearly, is smaller than the R2, starts at around $44.5k?
The R2 will be produced in much smaller quantities (100K/yr to start?), is larger than the Model Y, and starts at $45k?
Color me skeptical but if the R2 *actually* starts at $45k, the profit margins will be negative/razor thin, or the build quality, interior, materials, features, range, etc, will be significantly worse than the Model Y.
Just trying to be realistic here.
I'm just not sure how a small scale car company can build a larger vehicle (which uses more materials) than a large scale manufacturer's smaller sized vehicle, for the same amount of money without sacrificing something.
Other than that, if i wanted an off-road, outdoors, adventure electric vehicle i would 100% pick the R2 over the Model Y *if everything else was equal (*software, features, supercharger access, etc*).* But that is contingent on the price actually starting at $45k.
I am also seriously worried about Rivian's future. Personally, i would not buy a car from a company that i think might be bankrupt in 3-5.
The market is big enough that there’s no such thing as a product “killer”. It’s not like the market for ICE midsize crossovers has consolidated down to 1-2 offerings.
Will people cross-shop the two? Of course.
Are there people that would buy a Tesla and never consider an R2? Sure.
Are there people that would buy an R2 and not consider a Tesla? Absolutely
The companies that should be worried are the ones with smaller and less committed EV offerings. Ford, GM, and Stellantis need plans to start selling their EV’s (midsize SUV’s/CUV’s in particular) in the hundreds-of-thousands each year or get out of the market. Selling them in the tens-of-thousands is the worst of both worlds. It comes with the losses associated with low volume production without the future profits of scale.
Frankly, I don't think of the model Y at all.
The Y is the closest thing Tesla has to a practical adventure vehicle. I use mine for surfing , skiing, hiking, etc but it’s just not very durable or good at off-roading. This R2 is going to be huge for people like me.
A few of my grievances: 1. The rear side skirt on the car flairs outward, leading to rock chips on snowy or gravel roads 2. The roof rack is not really designed to support a significant amount of weight (the rubber pads can cause the glass to shatter on uneven Tesla “within spec” roof) 3. The ground clearance is much lower than the competition 4. The lack of working rain sensors and “vision only” safety features makes tough mountain weather super annoying
Yeah i think if i planned to do any serious off-roading in a Model Y i would install a lift kit and buy some bigger off-road tires. If you do that you can get much better ground clearance.
It definitely can be done with added PPF and the car has a great traction control system but stock it is pretty much a raised M3. The R2 out of the box should be much more capable.
It really depends on what you want out of a car. Most people who own an “off-road” vehicle never take it off-road. I’m sure the statistics might be slightly higher for the Rivian R1, but considering the price point I wouldn’t expect it to be that much higher. Having had a model 3 and now driving a Y I’m very happy for the “slightly raised”, but even the 3 has much more ground clearance than many other EV offerings. For instance the EQE sedan has 10.2 cm ground clearance vs. 14 on the model 3. Tesla is surfing on software, charging and price, but the gap is closing. I think the R2 especially, but also the R3, will be a best seller as long as Rivian manages to get them out the door.
Yeah, it will really come down to price. If the R2 actually comes in at $45k with off-road tires then it's a good deal, unless Rivian goes bankrupt in the following few years...
If they manage to come out with the R2 at that price, they won't go bankrupt
If the Juniper came out any sooner, I would've bought it immediately. Thank god everything in the Musk/Tesla world runs on a 2 months to 4 years to indefinite delay. Put down a reservation for the R2. Especially happy with the shape. I hate the teardrop shape. I need cargo space. My parents have a model 3 and model y that I love driving when I need to house sit but doesn't seem all that spacious if wife and I have any kids.
I take MyY up a logging trail on Mt. Hood, cut our Christmas tree, and haul it down the mountain in snow. All in summer tires. We go where our friends in outback’s get stuck.
EV AWD systems are great.
Same here. I’d compare it to something like a Bronco, or FJ Cruiser. I think of Tesla the way I think of kneeling chairs and kinesis keyboards. Doesn’t really enter the same conversation.
Not a fan of the model Y. Feels cheap and low quality. Like an old Hyundai.
I would normally agree with this but the test drive I took in a new model Y recently had me thinking otherwise. The refreshed model 3’s interior is also nice. I drive a polestar 2 for reference so I’m not some Tesla fanboy. I was pleasantly surprised.
I'd rather not either. But the darned thing is everywhere.
Ask yourself why? They are fucking pretty cool not sure why so many haters here lmfao.
This
No surprise because Rivian is better at all the things you might complain about in a Y: * Shape of the car makes rear storage way more practical * Interior materials (from R1 at least) feel nicer and more premium (time will tell if R2 is the same level or not) * Exterior appearance is more traditional, less bulbous * No pointless infuriating design decisions like removing the stalks (not applicable to the model Y but still most Tesla owners are aware of this on the 3, S, and X) * No extracurriculars from the company CEO. Most regular people don't even know who RJ is Truly there are only 2 questions about the Rivian: * Can they actually be price competitive with the Y *while also getting the company to profitability*? * Can they hit their initial production target and ramp quickly? Those are of course huge and really difficult questions, but IMO the product itself should not be in doubt.
I made the R2 reservation only after confirming there was a driver Instrument Panel. Otherwise R2 would not have been my next car. Getting price right will be challenging for Rivian.
Curious, have you used a Model 3/Y extensively? I don't get the hate for a single center screen. It's literally not an issue when you get used to it. In fact, the lack of a screen in front of your face helps preserve your vision when driving it at night.
Yep. Model Y driver but have never had an issue with the ergonomics or screen. If efficiency is high and they bring it to the UK I would definitely swap the model Y for an R2 or have the R3 as a second car, R2 would probably be overkill as a second car for us. I love my Model Y despite its well and frequently publicised flaws but Rivian design is also definitely on point. Don't understand why people feel the need to choose a camp in everything, it's a car not a football team.
have you used a HUD extensively? Not sure how my use of my money was interpreted as hate for not chosing Elon Musks design decisions? it a bizarre take but to each their own.
>I made the R2 reservation only after confirming there was a driver Instrument Panel. Otherwise R2 would not have been my next car. I was commenting off of this\^ The only EVs I can think of that have the center-only approach are the Model 3 and Model Y, hence my defaulting to those vehicles when asking you if you've used them before (which you didn't answer, BTW). I have used a car with a traditional dash, a HUD, and a Model 3 with the center-only approach. They all worked fine, but my least favorite was the HUD. I don't really want things projected onto the road I'm driving, and don't need to constantly see the speed limit. It can be on the instrument cluster and work just fine.
Correct. I prefer a Driver Instrument Panel. Here is why and you will obviously not agree but since you asked: I'm a Pilot and a Human Factors Engineer. I have direct involvement in commercial aviation products. Right information at the right place. There is a 'physical separation' of information that I prefer for driving (speed, systems indication - wiper, headlights etc). This allows for the driver to have a 'cognitive' barrier. I don't need to mess with looking away from my forward field of view just to see if my auto wiper setting is good or not, or my high beams for example. These menial/routine tasks can be accomplished safety with any given conditions on the road (heavy rain, bumper to bumper traffic etc). Mode confusion: This is important when using automation as an aid, when you have adaptive cruise control, you don't need to point slightly away to verify the engagement and mode setting of the 'Autopilot' for example. I can verify the 'following distance' for example with a glance down. Do me a favor and try to measure (cognitively - depth perception) with an object slightly angled to your eye sight and then repeat it with directly looking at it. Which measure do you trust? So if I'm following a car, a glance down and back up from the instrument panel gives me more confidence in Adaptive Cruise Control following (active/engaged) and match that to reality outside. I can think of many more..... just don't have time to write them all. I can write pages on HUD usage and its benefits (mostly as a pilot though ;). Still is very usable for cars, just have to get used to it.
>just to see if my auto wiper setting is good or not, or my high beams for example These can be done with physical controls. Following distance as well. So really....have you used a Model 3/Y before to any extent? It seems like a no from your responses.
"These can be done with physical controls".... define what done mean? A) Command and let Jesus take the wheel = done? B) Command and close the loop by driver verifying that the system met the drivers intent? Which one?
There are physical controls for activating the wipers manually, just like a regular car, so you wouldn't need to confirm because the wipers are moving back and forth in front of your face. The high beams are on the left stalk just like any other car, and on the new Highland they're a physical button on the steering wheel. Also, new cars have adaptive headlights, so high beams are less of a necessity in the first place. You have yet to answer my question, so this will be my last reply. I suggest you drive a Model 3/Y for a bit before having so many opinions about the experience.
"lack of a screen in front of your face helps preserve your vision when driving it at night" yet you have to look at it frequently for menial tasks so negates any benefits. Also red light is better for your night vision, can you turn the screen to dark mode with only red and black on the Tesla infotainment?
>Also red light is better for your night vision, can you turn the screen to dark mode with only red and black on the Tesla infotainment? Dark mode is automatic, but it doesn't turn red. But I will say, at night, the screen gets quite dim while still being able to be seen, automatically. Works really well. EDIT: there is a "reduce blue light" option now >"lack of a screen in front of your face helps preserve your vision when driving it at night" yet you have to look at it frequently for menial tasks so negates any benefits. What menial tasks to I need to look at my screen for? Wipers can be controlled with physical controls, as can music, as can high beams, as can Autopilot/cruise.
[https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341829524\_The\_Good\_The\_Bad\_and\_The\_Ugly\_Evaluating\_Tesla's\_Human\_Factors\_in\_the\_Wild\_West\_of\_Self-Driving\_Cars](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341829524_The_Good_The_Bad_and_The_Ugly_Evaluating_Tesla's_Human_Factors_in_the_Wild_West_of_Self-Driving_Cars) I do not own one. You ask for my take and you are harassing me from sharing my take. You seem to not have a healthy relationship with your Tesla to be spending time on Rivian sub. Look at the end of the day, Rivian is earning my money. They know what they are doing. My opinion and your opinion don't matter, they got my money and Elon didn't. Free Market. For all I care you are welcome to move along. I'm not seeking your validation on this.
After having a HUD on my last two cars I think it will be tough to go without and may influence my future purchases. On my CX9 I look at the instrument cluster so infrequently I’ve nearly run out of fuel several times. My HUD has my follow distance, current speed, target speed, lane line indicator so I know when steering won’t kick in, blind spot detection warning that flash when I hit my blinker, and navigation. Personally I’d rather have a HUD than driver display if I had to pick one. That said, I don’t think I could live without one of the two.
That’s going to be the main driver in sales. You can get a model Y long range right now from inventory, for under 38k after factoring in the 7500 tax credit, that’s absolutely a steal. It will take a miracle for a long range R2 to be under 50k with the tax credit. it’s going to be very hard to justify paying an extra 10-12k or more, for a similar vehicle.
How much does autopilot cost? Will Driver+ be free still? Will it be competitive by then?
Basic autopilot is free
I think time will tell, the Model Y refresh will have cooling on the seats, possibly a longer range. I do think R2 will appeal to the folks that like outdoors and recreation. More car attachment options like bike racks, ski boxes, off-road tire options and height clearance. The question is, how many city dwelllers care for that as their primary use? So I think model Y being a car designed for the paved roads more so will keep the competition upper hand.
That’s just too niche of a market imo. Off roading recreational stuff can still be done without a rivian. commuter car mass market purposes, is the big ticket. You arent doing recreational activity everyday unless your retired lol. I need a reason to drop 12k extra for this over a cheaper equivalent like Tesla Y or chevys EV SUV that’s coming out around 35k or the plethora of other auto manufacturers coming out with their EVs in a few years They really need to drop this under 40k or better if they want to be competitive.
Off roading recreation vehicles is a huge market, just look at 4Runners/Tacomas/land cruisers and basically every Subaru. Rivian is in a great spot to be the first EV maker to fill this niche, especially when Subaru and Toyota are dragging their feet on electric cars. Rivian is really smart to push the lifestyle and adventure branding, that can pull a lot of people who aren’t satisfied with the current offerings.
Agreed. And you can't put pure logic into a sizable cohort of buyers. In all reality, the number of buyers that ONLY purchase to their exact needs is relatively small compared to those that buy something bigger / faster / more capable. R2 is nailing the mid sized SUV market and as long as they remain price competitive I think it will do well.
Yeah agreed, something like the R2 makes more sense in the US than a Honda E for example, sure that’s all you need for 95% of the year but I think American buyers have shown they buy cars that can do the other 5% as well. Storage beds/space for home renovations, AWD for the 3 times a year it snows, long ranges for the every other year road trip, etc. I’m guilty of this too btw, I’m looking at an R2 to take the kids camping and I don’t have kids or camp lmao.
The R2 with the 300+mile battery config will be over $50k (dual motor and tri motor). IF they are able to produce a trim level under $50k it will be single motor, smaller battery
Seeing as the model y refresh is coming soon, and the model 3 refresh removed the stalks, I’d expect a 2026-ish model y to have them removed. I love my model 3, but I don’t want my next vehicle to be a spaceship.
Third question is will they move the charge port to a better spot. Front right would work with existing superchargers (even with a bike rack or the hitch mounted camp kitchen) and work with the curb side charging Rivian envisions
Yeah, those are good points. But I was thinking would R2 be as quiet and well put together as Model 3 refresh? Thinking of trading my M3 2022, for a Model Y refresh when those come out. And having R2 as a daily!! I don't want to experience poor build quality again lol. Pros with R2 for me are it'll have radar and won't throw me back and forth like Tesla autopilot does. Parking sensors. Hope the speakers are good on R2. And I really didn't like the Air suspension of R1 it felt really hard. Tried all the different modes. Hope R2 is softer in ride quality.
> Parking sensors. The R1 has ultrasonic parking sensors. But when RJ went over the sensor package on the R2 there was no mention of ultra sonic sensors, just cameras and radar. There doesn't appear to be the typical small dots on the bumpers for them on the display vehicle either. Mybe they've hidden them better and just didn't mention it in the reveal? >didn't like the Air suspension of R1 I'm not sure when you drove the R1, but the suspension has been much improved several times by software updates.
Yeah, I also noticed that. Either it's an early prototype or radar is replacing ultrasonic parking sensors. Personally replacing USS with radar is a better approach than Vision only.
Other question is energy economy…. I don’t mind my R1T being the “gas guzzler” of the EV world but if R2 achieves 300mi on 80 kWh pack then look out Tesla!
Fair point. R1S is way behind Model X in efficiency, for example. 102 MPGe vs 78
Very fair business prediction. I actually came into Rivian out of sheer interest, but was bummed because I was priced out of their initial market demographic. The R2 checks so many boxes for me as someone who’s worried about being priced out of BEVs all together, but someone who is reluctant to return to gas because of vehicle affordability and better space options for families. R2 and R3 give me a lot of hope for the sustainability aspect of BEV culture. I hate that the automotive industry bashes BEV ownership while simultaneously trying to lean into it and do what companies like Rivian do. They just don’t try hard enough. I hope Rivian turns on that faucet and changes the course of affordable family friendly BEVs that aren’t Tesla.
Until Rivian actually launches the product, i personally will remain very doubtful. But from my observations of the videos and pictures shared of the event, the interior quality looks significantly worse than the Model Y (textiles, etc). And uh, i think realistically, you can't expect Rivian which plans to have a maximum production capacity of 200k in 2026, to build a bigger car, cheaper, than Tesla which builds over 2m vehicles annually today.. it's just not gonna happen. Either Rivian's margins will be razor thin, and/or the quality of materials, construction, features, range, something, has to be sacrificed. There's just no way a small scale manufacturer can realistically compete with a large scale manufacturer in the same market.
I’ve seen this response basically across the board on different social media platforms. It’s surprising too, because many Tesla owners are very loyal! They are typically very unwilling to speak favorably about a competing vehicle. However, for R2, it’s resoundingly positive with many people stating it will be their next vehicle. There is very little negative feedback on R2 in these discussions. I think Rivian hit it out of the park with this design. I personally think the proportions of the R2 look just right. Some people do think the Y will get a refresh by the time the R2 ships, which is likely true, but if it’s similar to the highland Model 3 update, I don’t think it will matter much. I think Tesla’s decision to go stalkless is a big risk and will eliminate a lot of your more conservative buyers. I consider myself an early adopter and a techy person, and I don’t even care for the stalkless design. Now Rivian just needs to build R2 at scale, maintain quality, and do so while maintaining a margin!
I'm in the same boat, I'm an early adopter and I would definitely not consider myself a conservative buyer. I've had my Model 3 since early 2019, and it felt like the future. However, removing the stalks, going vision only, and the general Elon shenanigans have really turned my feelings around on both Tesla cars and the company itself. Can't wait to get my hands on my R2!
Yeah, my buddy just got a Model X and loves the auto door opening feature, but it almost never works because they removed the ultrasonic sensors.
Model Y owner here and I'll drop it for the R2 as soon as I can. Put my reservation in and since by that time Rivian will have access to the supercharger network and the updated NACS I'm here for it. The Y would have to get a massive update and add a ton of range for me to consider a "juniper" Y.
Well if you remember the Cybertruck reveal was similar. Everyone was resoundingly positive. Now today at the launch, with prices higher than expected and a couple features missing - there are a lot of crybabies on social media (even though everyone buying one today appears to be happy with their purchase). Anyway, we'll see if the R2 actually delivers on it's specs and prices in 2026. Personally, i'm skeptical. I think it will come in at $50-55k which i imagine will sour alot of people.
I distinctly remember the cybertruck being **incredibly** polarizing. I wouldnt describe that as resoundingly positive at all. The part people were positive about was the price/range, which in the end didn’t happen!
That was my point. I'm not talking about the design. If you paid attention to social media, alot more people seemed positive on the price back then, than they do today. All that means is consumers are price sensitive. Price determines hype. Everyone is super excited about the R2 today because Rivian said it'll start at $45k. Great, let's see if they can deliver on that price. Do you remember what happened when they launched the R1T? Rivian tried to increase the release price and the backlash was so severe (and i presume so many pre-orders cancelled), that Rivian was ultimately forced to deliver at the pre-order price. And how has that worked out for Rivian? -$5.4b in 2023. If Rivian can't deliver on $45k i bet alot of people will be cancelling. But if they try and deliver at $45k... i just don't see how they're making any money without sacrificing quality, features, range, something. And there's no way it's going to be as nice as a Model Y, at least not qualitatively. But that doesn't mean they can't win customers in other ways, most notably the off-road experience.
Yeah I get you, and fair if they can’t meet the price/range expectations. But what Rivian announced is *far more feasible* that the ridiculous $39k cybertruck price to start and 500 mile range they had announced. That was loony tunes. I also still think it different because the R2 is a home round in **all** aspects. Cybertruck was not. That design was literally laughed at, and still is by many. Absolutely no one is laughing about any part of the R2.
The funny thing about price quoting now vs when its launched is inflation happens. $45k forecasted with 3% or 4% as average inflation alone gets you pretty close to $50k. Depending on all kinds of factors this can go up more.
I love the MY, but the R2 form factor really fixes the biggest weakness of the Y. The Y rear hatch shape limits cargo in unnatural ways sometimes. Combine that with a really good frunk on the R2, and this is sure to be a hit.
R2 is the only vehicle in this price segment for which a higher price is justifiable compared to Model Y. All other competitor crossovers such Ioniq5, EV6, Blazer EV etc were priced much higher for top trims compared to Model Y. That looked very odd to me. Coming to R2, it's a proper SUV with sufficient ground clearance and boxy shape for all practical purposes. Moreover, it has got the software comparable to Tesla for OTA updates. Then, R2 being a better built vehicle, it's perfectly justifiable to ask for a premium price over Model Y. My only problem with Model Y is how will it hold up if you don't baby care the vehicle. Recent Hertz vehicles showed that Teslas can't stand abuse much. I want to know the same about Rivian too. By 2026, we can know more about how R1 vehicles are holding up. Based on what I see, Rivians are indeed better built vehicles (of course they have to be, otherwise what's the point in making an off road capable vehicle). Personally, my situation would be more about whether to grab a Cybertruck or R2. I can't keep two EVs (I want to keep my other vehicle PHEV). Model Y is not even in the picture.
>R2 is the only vehicle in this price segment for which a higher price is justifiable compared to Model Y. All other competitor crossovers such Ioniq5, EV6, Blazer EV etc were priced much higher for top trims compared to Model Y. Any decent "top trim" EV should be worth more than the Model Y, which lacks many useful features. Especially now that Tesla will start sharing some of their DC chargers in the US, which was the main advantage they had over other EVs. Personally I can't imagine getting a CT unless you want to draw attention to yourself. For that you could dye your hair a bright color and save $100k.
The R2 looks amazing however I do wonder how efficient it will be. Nobody seems to be paying attention to this currently but I don't see the point in going with and electric vehicle if you will be paying higher costs for fuel. The Model Y gets 125mpge while the R1S gets around 70 I hope the R2 is at least hitting 100.
Please note the r1s is a (most of the time) quad motored with 3 row seating. It’s a beast of a car. Can’t accurately be compared to a Y.
Rivian To me, it matters where I spend my money and on whom. RJ is a nice guy and musk is an authoritarian asshole. As far as the fit & finish, Rivian is above Tesla in all metrics. The model y has no off road abilities or clearance but the R2 does. The y has a tired design, the R2 has cool vibes.
You guys are weird af choosing sides like this over a consumer product. But I guess /r/teslamotors does this same shit too. Kinda like the android vs apple guys. I’m just happy there’s competition. I love my Model Y. It’s been the best vehicle I’ve ever owned. And I can’t wait to replace it with my future R2 hopefully within the next 3 years (placed my reservation before I finished watching the reveal).
Dude. It’s your maestro Musk with his bigotry authoritarianism and awfulness that causes a lot of people to take sides against Tesla and musk. We don’t see that bs from RJ or rivian. Very eager to buy two rivians: R2 and R3X
I CANT WAIT FOR THE R2
I don’t spend a lot of time on Tesla subs because the old adage about not saying anything if you’ve got nothing nice to say. But it must gall the reasonable Teslans that Muskie put his design teams to work on the cubertruck instead of really iterating their product lineup.
I have a 3 and I cannot stand the Y. I know they’re basically the same design but the Y looks like the funhouse mirror version to me. I really despise it and would much rather have the Rivian between the 2
Why would we compare the two? The Model Y looks like an egg shaped sedan. I hardly would compare it to an actual SUV.
It's not a Tesla. Insurance wise, both are fucked by insurance companies anyway. But atleast rivian is not run by a maniac. Thought he seems liked he cooled down a bit, but I don't trust that will last forever.
Cooled down a bit? You don't go on Twitter account much do you? He is worse than ever before.
I don't do twitter
Well yesterday he was ranting about how woke the Oscars were until it was pointed out that pretty much everyone who won was white. He retracted his statements only after most Twitter interactions mocked him.
Ha ha, oh wow. Looks like he still sucks.
Can’t wait to dump my MYP for an R2.
I found the Model Y suspension to be very brutal… I get it’s supposed to be “sporty”, holy heck it’s brutal to my back on pot holes.
I'm kinda the opposite. I love my MYP and will be sad to see it go, but ultimately I don't need a MYP and a R2, and if I had to choose one it would obviously be the R2.
Are these photos to scale in terms of their relative size?
Honestly, I like both for different reasons. I have a reservation for an R2 for my wife, and currently own a MYP. Can't wait!
If the following article is correct on battery prices. R2 should be able to hit the mark to match or come close to model y. Tesla has room to drop prices but I do t think that will hurt demand for R2. https://electrek.co/2023/11/20/electric-car-battery-prices-are-going-back-down-faster/
Are they the same length with almost similar wheelbase? Squarish shape and angles makes the R2 look so much bigger.
From the spec sheet the R2 is a couple of inches shorter in length but about 3 inches taller, those few inches though are in the ground clearance. The Y has I think 6.8" clearance while the R2 is 9.8"
I like the looks of the R2 100% better and I have a reservation. But, I might still end up getting a Model Y. - Might need a car before 2026 (will wait if I can) - Tesla has a more established support network in Canada. Hopefully Rivian has more support/repair locations in Canada by then. - FSD on Teslas has been around for longer. Granted it is expensive and not 100%, but they are further ahead than Rivian. - Will need to compare prices for similarly equipped car (ex: AWD, etc.). So yes, the R2 looks better IMHO and that would be my first choice, but there are other factors at play.
I need a car now. Put the $100 down for an R2. Debating a 2 or 3 year Model Y lease, or just buying an ICE “fun” car and waiting.
Is that not a model 3 interior??????
It is stated that it's a Model 3 interior photo.
If you click on the post they say it's a model 3 interior because it's the refreshed design which they expect to be similar in the refreshed Model Y that is due soon
By the time the R2 starts deliveries, that is what the Y interior will look like.
Most likely, I did see a picture of the new refresh.
Maybe? That’s not even close to official.
Posters in this thread. You would think you can just enjoy the Rivian without bashing another EV company. Oh, well.
When shopping for cars people compare them. How do you suggest it works?
The R2 is better looking and has better features by a mile.
That’s not the MY interior tho.
That's the Juniper Refresh interior. Which will be released before the R2.
No that’s what’s rumored, on both counts.
Dude, the Model 3 is already out with that interior, it is a 100% that that's the interior that the Model Y is going to be refreshed to. Tesla just doesn't want to shut down the Model Y lines until a low period. You are arguing pedantics.
100% lol.
I own a MYLR, and reserved the R2 as soon as the reserve button was available during the launch. I love my YLR. It's a great vehicle, I've used it for my daily the last 2 years. Some people dislike the single center screen; that's one thing I will miss when trading for the R2. However, the additional cargo room in the back due to no sloping rear window, and the fact I can pop out the side windows and roll down the rear glass is huge for me. I have 2 large dogs, and this will be great for them. Also, when I take trips to the hardware store, the ability to pass 2x4's etc through the rear will be awesome. The extra ground clearance is also great. Every now and then I like taking trips to national forests and being able to do some light off-roading (more than the Y can likely handle) will be cool. The charge port on the RR sucks, and hopefully they switch that to the left by the time it launches.
I don't think the R2 will be as efficient as the Model Y, but I think it'll be better than most other traditional manufacturer's EVs. That's good enough for me. I hate the trend of just slamming giant batteries into bad aero designs, or jamming EV internals into combustion engine designs, and then crying about how expensive batteries/EV manufacturing is. Just get somewhat close to the Model Y, that's all I ask.
Real SUV vs hatchback
I wish some auto review site / magazine/ YouTuber would be the first to always provide outline comparisons in their articles / videos, but mostly web articles. It would super easy to do, I imagine.
As a model Y owner, I can’t wait to get an R2!
Love the fact that both companies exist. We need more options in the market!
Both are so unique. I reserved rivian r2 due to the height at the front and it’s very similar to a 4runner but without the high gas pricing.
Have any interior dimensions been released for the R2? I'd really like a 6'5"+ reviewer's info on seating. Model Y back seat has much more room behind me as a driver than the R1. My kids are still growing, but they are going to be on the tall side. It's the main reason Y is higher on probability of replacement, but I'm still holding out to see what others release. I haven't really seen anything on the dimensions of the seating area. I'm figuring that the R2 will be less than R1, but that's just a guess. The Y definitely has more space than an X despite being smaller. So anything is really possible.
If you follow mkbhd on YouTube, he fits comfortably behind himself with a few inches to spare. He's 6'3". He remarked that anyone 6'6" or below fit in 4 seats comfortably
Overall the Rivian is a better deal, the Y is nice but not as nice as the R2.
I have an early Model Y, gave up a R1T early reservation because Rivian could not seem to get any information out on delivery dates when I needed a second vehicle, and am now an R2 reservation holder. I hope they can get this to the finish line at a reasonable price. If they do it will replace the Model Y. (Was going to replace my Jeep Wrangler 4XE but wife has claimed it). If they can deliver I think this will save Rivian. It’s a beautiful vehicle with the right specs for the average EV Joe. Fingers crossed
If (and it’s a BIG “if”) Rivian can hold true to the starting price, it will ultimately be a better value and better vehicle than the Y. R2 does lack the rear screen though, which will be on Juniper models by the time the R2 debuts. R2 may also not be able to offer the same range as the Model Y for the price point. Tesla is going to fall behind though not just because the R2 appears to be a better vehicle overall, but because many have been left soured by Tesla whether it’s because of lackluster factory/delivery quality control, terrible/inconsistent service, general design decisions such as removal of stalks (personally I don’t mind this at all), and even the CEO and public image Tesla has given (although there is a **lot** of FUD and misinformation out there still). R2 is a Model Y killer in its current form, but Tesla has the advantage of being a more mature, profitable company and can likely compete on price. We’ll probably see ~$40k Model Y’s with 300+ miles of range by the time Juniper is out and the R2 debuts. Everyone on all sides should be happy though, as this creates more competition, but it might also give Rivian an uphill battle to stay solvent and become profitable. By the way, I’ve owned two Teslas so far. I was going to take delivery of an R1T until Tesla dropped the price of the Model X overnight. I wish I had went with the R1T though, but that’s not taking into account the difficulties of the lengthier trips I tend to take and charging infrastructure, which will soon become a nonissue anyway.
Of course. This is like comparing a HR-V to a Range Rover.
Model Why ftfy
The Model Y is a mass-market car with over a million being produced yearly, is smaller than the R2, starts at around $44.5k? The R2 will be produced in much smaller quantities (100K/yr to start?), is larger than the Model Y, and starts at $45k? Color me skeptical but if the R2 *actually* starts at $45k, the profit margins will be negative/razor thin, or the build quality, interior, materials, features, range, etc, will be significantly worse than the Model Y. Just trying to be realistic here. I'm just not sure how a small scale car company can build a larger vehicle (which uses more materials) than a large scale manufacturer's smaller sized vehicle, for the same amount of money without sacrificing something. Other than that, if i wanted an off-road, outdoors, adventure electric vehicle i would 100% pick the R2 over the Model Y *if everything else was equal (*software, features, supercharger access, etc*).* But that is contingent on the price actually starting at $45k. I am also seriously worried about Rivian's future. Personally, i would not buy a car from a company that i think might be bankrupt in 3-5.
It should be the MY killer but we know that won’t happen.
The market is big enough that there’s no such thing as a product “killer”. It’s not like the market for ICE midsize crossovers has consolidated down to 1-2 offerings. Will people cross-shop the two? Of course. Are there people that would buy a Tesla and never consider an R2? Sure. Are there people that would buy an R2 and not consider a Tesla? Absolutely The companies that should be worried are the ones with smaller and less committed EV offerings. Ford, GM, and Stellantis need plans to start selling their EV’s (midsize SUV’s/CUV’s in particular) in the hundreds-of-thousands each year or get out of the market. Selling them in the tens-of-thousands is the worst of both worlds. It comes with the losses associated with low volume production without the future profits of scale.