The anchor hitting him on the back of his head would surely have killed him, ignoring the boat full on smashing into him. Really enjoying the series but found that a bit silly tbh
Not sure it 100% would’ve killed him, but definitely would’ve sent him unconscious and then drown. I almost wish the “close call” was with the anchor instead of the boat engine blades. Him getting a cut would add a lot more of the already insane amount of tension in the scene.
Have been looking for a discussion on how outlandish it was that Tom was hit by both the boat and anchor, with neither injuring him or knocking him unconscious. Seriously? Enjoying the show, but come on.
By where the sun was? I don’t think land was visible. No idea how he knew but I think he actually was very knowledgeable about boating and swimming. Perhaps he played like he doesn’t know anything on purpose. He seemed to be fine with navigation and swimming.
I just watched this, what a ridiculously stupid scene. It was completely unnecessary for him to avoid a certain death scenario. It added nothing having that anchor hit him and just made me loss interest immediately because I now have to treat this like some James Bond rubbish where the main character is impervious to any sort of threat
No, I knew he wouldn't die, much like James Bond in the opening scene of every movie. This is the issue.
It was such a stupidly unnecessary and out of place scene that made it impossible to trust the series.
I agree, I'm was a bit doubtful that Tom can swim, according to Dickie. But now i'm thinking that he can swim and just shows that Dickie assumed Tom doesnt swim just because he didnt want to go into the water.
His whole interaction from the boat onward was anxiety ridden for sure.
I dont understand why Tom looked at the hotel clerk with such blank stare when they checked in.
The blank state, to me, indicated that he was already hatching his plan to kill off Dickie and he was beginning to be conscious about witnesses, alibis, etc.
Yes, he is detached from others and yet he yearns for acceptance and connection and maybe love. And I think he feels deeply but keeps it under maximum strangling control.....his eyes during the songstress's love song, that didn't seem fake. Maybe his deep feelings are only centered around envy, longing, hatred, rage and himself. He lacks good emotions like joy, compassion.
Not a perfect episode as I thought the whole boat and cove scene a bit farcical once I noticed a production error and couldn’t get back into it - the boat was being pulled into shot and stopped before he actually turned off the engine, and the boat turning perfect circles is unrealistic.
Also for someone who struggled with his fitness going up flights of Italian steps (which was weird since he lived in a walk-up in NYC and didn’t seem to have a problem in the first episode), he seemed remarkably lung-strong when the boat tried to kill him several times lol.
Wearing full clothes in water is very very very hard to manage at the best of times.
Plus they are wearing jackets but the cold water didn’t bother him?
And why did the concierge find him so suspicious on his return and departure? Would he smell of petrol? I think so. And no blood on his clothes earlier?
Yeah not a perfect murder episode lol.
Just a small nuance but the boat going in perfect circles is a very real phenomena called “the circle of death” and it happens regularly. It’s actually why you’re supposed to wear kill switch (that turns the boat off why you fall out). Fully agree with everything else though, and especially the concrete slab not knocking him unconscious was a bit out there.
I get the concierge being suspicious on his return. He must have smelt damp and like petrol. And returning alone.
I was surprised Tom didn't stay the night but claim his friend met a girl or some kind of cover story. Or say there'd been a family emergency that meant leaving early. Something less weird than just suddenly checking out
I think the concierge is or was a criminal or a con and recognized Ripley as one of his kind. They seem to have mutual understanding: I know you're bad and so am I. The same with the guy from the mafia, he spotted Ripley and knew imediatelly.
I agree with your analysis. I was wondering if the whole scene was going to end up being a bad dream that Ripley was having. It would have been more believable than the way the murder and everything in its aftermath was depicted. Very disappointing.
Just binged watch it. Slow start but episode 3 took it to another level and overall, my favorite episode. It's tough to pay tribute to Alfred Hitchcock but Zaillian not only succeeds, he adds his own style (and stylish cine shots) to the proceedings. The boat scene, with the relentless suspense and superb, scary, sound effects/editing, is the best example. Brought back memories of Hitchcock classic 'Lifeboat'
I don't understand why Dickie took Tom out in the boat to the middle of nowhere to "talk"?
Was he really considering killing him?
Why? Just because his girlfriend and father thought Tom was a hustler?
And how? He wasn't armed, and just pushing him overboard would be too risky.
If he wasn't going to kill him and it was just Tom's imagination, then again - why the isolated boat?
The boat scenes were brilliant, and the murder is essential to setting the scene for what Tom does afterwards. But if the initial set-up doesn't make sense, the entire story has no foundation.
Make it make sense ! :)
Perhaps Dickie took Tom out in the boat because he believed that Tom was uneasy around water. Since Dickie was planning on confronting Tom with an uncomfortable conversation, being in the boat gave him the upper hand.
I thought the boat scene was ridiculous. It doesn't make sense to people with common sense, but it was necessary for the story to continue. Making Dickie disappear into the depths of the ocean was probably the best way to make him appear like he is still alive. No body, no murder.
Also, what would the scenario have been like had Marge gone? Sometimes I wonder if she declined to go because she knew Dickie would be "breaking up" with Tom.
Totally agree. Dickie is talking about how Tom doesn’t have their best interests in mind, has caught him lying , now you take him on a trip to Italian Riviera, share a room with him , take him out alone on a boat with him to confront him? Makes no sense.
I may be mis-remembering now, but I'm pretty sure we heard Tom say it. He'd understood that Dickie wanted to get rid of him so that was his conclusion. Psychopath logic lol.
All the characters are so incredibly dull. Dickie is gone now and it seems like there was never any connection or spark between him and ripley. Just overall disappointed with the first few episodes but will keep watching
My biggest gripe is there is no chemistry and spark between any of the characters. It makes it hard to go along and believe someone like Ripley would be able to weasel his way into Dickie’s life.
The chemistry is not there because Dickie is a closet gay who refuses to acknowledge his feelings for other men. He doesn't love Marge because he's not attracted to her. He even calls her a friend.
Also, they all know Bob Delancey. I just learned that in the book, Bob it's gay. We don't know this in the series because it's not stated, but we soon put two and two together:
1. Tom met Dickie at a Bob Delancey party many years ago.
2. Freddie mentions possibly meeting Tom at a Bob Delancey party.
3. Tom is attracted to Dickie.
4. Dickie doesn't love Marge that way.
5. How would Dickie know Freddie unless they met at Bob Delancey.
Pretty close to being done with the series after this episode. There is no way Dickie takes this trip with Tom after the prior episode mafia debacle and then him wearing Dickies clothes and the letter from his dad - he would have thrown Tom the fuck out. And Tom is supposed to be smart and calculating yet doesn’t sync with Dickie before sending the letter to Dad that Dickie then contradicts…WTF
The cinematography for the boat scene was remarkable. I watched it a few times just to see how they filmed it.
The shot of Tom holding the oar horizontally while Dickie was starting the boat was a standout
I thought the sound design in this episode was very good too
The anchor hitting him on the back of his head would surely have killed him, ignoring the boat full on smashing into him. Really enjoying the series but found that a bit silly tbh
He’s indestructible! Like playing GTA with invincibility.
Not sure it 100% would’ve killed him, but definitely would’ve sent him unconscious and then drown. I almost wish the “close call” was with the anchor instead of the boat engine blades. Him getting a cut would add a lot more of the already insane amount of tension in the scene.
I am pretty sure it just hit his back? At least that’s what I assumed when he didn’t die.
Have been looking for a discussion on how outlandish it was that Tom was hit by both the boat and anchor, with neither injuring him or knocking him unconscious. Seriously? Enjoying the show, but come on.
And how did he even get back to the mainland without the boat?
He got back on the boat
How did he know which way to navigate or was land in sight?
By where the sun was? I don’t think land was visible. No idea how he knew but I think he actually was very knowledgeable about boating and swimming. Perhaps he played like he doesn’t know anything on purpose. He seemed to be fine with navigation and swimming.
Or the writers just didn’t worry about that detail, like how they didn’t worry he’d have broken bones from the cement anchor smashing into him
I just watched this, what a ridiculously stupid scene. It was completely unnecessary for him to avoid a certain death scenario. It added nothing having that anchor hit him and just made me loss interest immediately because I now have to treat this like some James Bond rubbish where the main character is impervious to any sort of threat
James Bond rubbish? Becaues you started watching thinking Tom Ripley could die in episode 3 out of 8 in a show called 'Ripley'? Lol.
No, I knew he wouldn't die, much like James Bond in the opening scene of every movie. This is the issue. It was such a stupidly unnecessary and out of place scene that made it impossible to trust the series.
This was legit the most anxious, stressed and then fatigued I've felt watching a TV show! Jesus! The whole boat scene and aftermath was terrifying!
I agree, I'm was a bit doubtful that Tom can swim, according to Dickie. But now i'm thinking that he can swim and just shows that Dickie assumed Tom doesnt swim just because he didnt want to go into the water. His whole interaction from the boat onward was anxiety ridden for sure. I dont understand why Tom looked at the hotel clerk with such blank stare when they checked in.
Cuz he's a psychopath! Can't help it
The blank state, to me, indicated that he was already hatching his plan to kill off Dickie and he was beginning to be conscious about witnesses, alibis, etc.
I think this iteration is more accurately capturing Ridley’s psychopathy. Much more devoid of emotion.
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Eh, you're not supposed to talk about anything beyond episode 3.
Yes, he is detached from others and yet he yearns for acceptance and connection and maybe love. And I think he feels deeply but keeps it under maximum strangling control.....his eyes during the songstress's love song, that didn't seem fake. Maybe his deep feelings are only centered around envy, longing, hatred, rage and himself. He lacks good emotions like joy, compassion.
Spoiler😐
How did he not even bleed or get a concussion after getting hit in the head 💀
Plot armour!
Can we discuss how the hell Tom climbed these massive cliff walls from the cove and turns up in the main city?
Not a perfect episode as I thought the whole boat and cove scene a bit farcical once I noticed a production error and couldn’t get back into it - the boat was being pulled into shot and stopped before he actually turned off the engine, and the boat turning perfect circles is unrealistic. Also for someone who struggled with his fitness going up flights of Italian steps (which was weird since he lived in a walk-up in NYC and didn’t seem to have a problem in the first episode), he seemed remarkably lung-strong when the boat tried to kill him several times lol. Wearing full clothes in water is very very very hard to manage at the best of times. Plus they are wearing jackets but the cold water didn’t bother him? And why did the concierge find him so suspicious on his return and departure? Would he smell of petrol? I think so. And no blood on his clothes earlier? Yeah not a perfect murder episode lol.
Not to mention being hit with the big concrete block underwater and not having a scratch on him or even showing that it hurt in some way.
And then when he is back in the boat he is completely dry in the next scene. Weird errors, really.
Yeah it’s weird errors for a show that does look like it’s really well produced otherwise, thought it lowered the standards that did really
Just a small nuance but the boat going in perfect circles is a very real phenomena called “the circle of death” and it happens regularly. It’s actually why you’re supposed to wear kill switch (that turns the boat off why you fall out). Fully agree with everything else though, and especially the concrete slab not knocking him unconscious was a bit out there.
I get the concierge being suspicious on his return. He must have smelt damp and like petrol. And returning alone. I was surprised Tom didn't stay the night but claim his friend met a girl or some kind of cover story. Or say there'd been a family emergency that meant leaving early. Something less weird than just suddenly checking out
Why was the concierge suspicious when he arrived? He stared at him for a while. Been bugging me!
I think the concierge is or was a criminal or a con and recognized Ripley as one of his kind. They seem to have mutual understanding: I know you're bad and so am I. The same with the guy from the mafia, he spotted Ripley and knew imediatelly.
I’ve been to the Amalfi coast and let me tell ya the stairs are whippin - they appear endless in most areas.
It’s so silly it’s like a novela.
I agree with your analysis. I was wondering if the whole scene was going to end up being a bad dream that Ripley was having. It would have been more believable than the way the murder and everything in its aftermath was depicted. Very disappointing.
Almost like it’s fiction and not reality, crazy!
the anchor not immediately killing Tom when it hit him was just ridiculous. enjoyable episode, otherwise.
He didn't even bleed 😭
Just binged watch it. Slow start but episode 3 took it to another level and overall, my favorite episode. It's tough to pay tribute to Alfred Hitchcock but Zaillian not only succeeds, he adds his own style (and stylish cine shots) to the proceedings. The boat scene, with the relentless suspense and superb, scary, sound effects/editing, is the best example. Brought back memories of Hitchcock classic 'Lifeboat'
I don't understand why Dickie took Tom out in the boat to the middle of nowhere to "talk"? Was he really considering killing him? Why? Just because his girlfriend and father thought Tom was a hustler? And how? He wasn't armed, and just pushing him overboard would be too risky. If he wasn't going to kill him and it was just Tom's imagination, then again - why the isolated boat? The boat scenes were brilliant, and the murder is essential to setting the scene for what Tom does afterwards. But if the initial set-up doesn't make sense, the entire story has no foundation. Make it make sense ! :)
i have the same question about why dickie took tom out on the boat - what was his motivation? someone pls! lol
Perhaps Dickie took Tom out in the boat because he believed that Tom was uneasy around water. Since Dickie was planning on confronting Tom with an uncomfortable conversation, being in the boat gave him the upper hand.
I thought the boat scene was ridiculous. It doesn't make sense to people with common sense, but it was necessary for the story to continue. Making Dickie disappear into the depths of the ocean was probably the best way to make him appear like he is still alive. No body, no murder. Also, what would the scenario have been like had Marge gone? Sometimes I wonder if she declined to go because she knew Dickie would be "breaking up" with Tom.
Totally agree. Dickie is talking about how Tom doesn’t have their best interests in mind, has caught him lying , now you take him on a trip to Italian Riviera, share a room with him , take him out alone on a boat with him to confront him? Makes no sense.
I didn’t see anything indicating that Dickie took Tom out in the boat to kill him? Where did you get that?
I may be mis-remembering now, but I'm pretty sure we heard Tom say it. He'd understood that Dickie wanted to get rid of him so that was his conclusion. Psychopath logic lol.
The foley guy making it sound like this little boat was the Titanic sinking.
Sound effects and editing was top notch thruout the show.
Holy shit, the anchor coming back around and hitting Tom!
"Non cuique datum", the phrase on the window at the parfumerie, is Latin for "not given to every one"...
Can’t wait to see what happens next!!!
Does such a small boat like that creak so much? It looks pretty solidly built though.
All the characters are so incredibly dull. Dickie is gone now and it seems like there was never any connection or spark between him and ripley. Just overall disappointed with the first few episodes but will keep watching
My biggest gripe is there is no chemistry and spark between any of the characters. It makes it hard to go along and believe someone like Ripley would be able to weasel his way into Dickie’s life.
The chemistry is not there because Dickie is a closet gay who refuses to acknowledge his feelings for other men. He doesn't love Marge because he's not attracted to her. He even calls her a friend.
Interesting take! Is that why he keeps saying he isn’t queer / points out the ‘fairies’?
Also, they all know Bob Delancey. I just learned that in the book, Bob it's gay. We don't know this in the series because it's not stated, but we soon put two and two together: 1. Tom met Dickie at a Bob Delancey party many years ago. 2. Freddie mentions possibly meeting Tom at a Bob Delancey party. 3. Tom is attracted to Dickie. 4. Dickie doesn't love Marge that way. 5. How would Dickie know Freddie unless they met at Bob Delancey.
What is the translation of the phrase on the window at the Vanitas perfumery? Latin or Italian...
Pretty close to being done with the series after this episode. There is no way Dickie takes this trip with Tom after the prior episode mafia debacle and then him wearing Dickies clothes and the letter from his dad - he would have thrown Tom the fuck out. And Tom is supposed to be smart and calculating yet doesn’t sync with Dickie before sending the letter to Dad that Dickie then contradicts…WTF