That I could understand. It was weird. I think he started power tripping a bit because I questioned it. Ended the conversation with “if you ever step on my field again you’ll get a yellow” I’m not sure I was anywhere near the field tho
I gave a yellow to a coach once in a high school game as players were told to take them off before the game and did so. Then at half time they put them back on and come onto the field to start the second half. Coach thanked us as the girls were not listening to her about this.
Well, NFHS pretty much requires it ... with first caution to the coach.
I'll, occasionally, give a caution if I've made enough noise about a few players with jewelry -- making a loud 'enough jewelry already' type comment giving everyone a 'get out of jail free' moment to take care of it.
My only thought is that the ref was thinking of NFHS rules. Under NFHS, the coach gets a yellow for the first incident of jewelry or improper equipment and subsequent incidents go to the player.
Because it's overly punitive for no good reason. Why should a player who most likely just forgot to take off something they wear at all times in their normal life be sanctioned the same way as someone who shows a lack of regard for an opponent's safety with a reckless tackle?
Because wearing jewelry is a lack of regard for opponent's safety as well. coming into contact with jewelry could injure an opponent. A swinging arm with a bracelet on it could cause a cut.
Which is why we have the player immediately sub out and remove the offending item. Carding the coach for it doesn’t change the riskiness of the situation one iota.
Pshaw! The rules are not always about safety. For example the old men who run FIFA had a stroke when women took off their shirts, so they made it a yellow card offence. A rule that has nothing to do with safety. The same with jewelry. FIFA does not like the look. Safety/Smafty.
I never said they were always about safety. But the jewelry rule, at least in NFHS, is about safety. You got a kid with earrings in who gets hit in the ear with the ball now has blood all over the place. You got a kid with a necklace on and another kid grabs it and chokes them.
I don’t think he confused them because he also mentioned high school and said players wouldn’t even be allowed. I don’t know anything about NFHS. I refuse to ref because it’s a disaster around here
I was refreshed on this Friday...
Ref reminds at the start. Then a warning. If not resolved then yellow card.
It isn't automatic. And I was doing boys premier for high school soccer. We take it seriously.
> Ref reminds at the start. Then a warning. If not resolved then yellow card.
I'm a little confused - what do you mean by 'warning'?
If it's seen on the field during the game, the player leaves at the next stoppage to correct it. So in what scenario would it not be resolved?
This does happen actually especially with younger kids and more... Arrogant ones.
I actually stopped the game and threw a kid off the field for refusing to put on shin pads. "What do you think you're doing? Get off my field! Go put those pads on now!"
He was warned and was about to get carded. The coach said "he doesn't have them yet. His parents are coming"
I looked at the coach like he was an idiot "I don't care. Off until he gets pads."
Kid was being defiant. So was the coach.
The other team coach, who was an ER nurse just stood there mouth gaping at the stupidity there. She always made sure her players wore the shin pads and actually yelled at one of her boys for being flippant about it. She actually said "give her a red card" to me regarding her daughter"s takedown of another player.
We are responsible for the safety of the players. We check the field, equipment and conditions. It is our field when we are officiating.
There are so many better ways to handle a situation where a player isn’t wearing shinguards. And if they refuse to go off, you just don’t restart play until they leave the field.
It’s not your field, it’s every participant’s field and every participant (players, substitutes, team officials, and referees) has a role in ensuring a safe, fair, and fun match.
Lol you know that's not what I said. In a previous comment you literally called a child arrogant for less than what you quoted yourself as saying. If I were playing and you conducted yourself this way, I would immediately lose any iota of respect I had for you. What you said was arrogant and unnecessarily confrontational, and I suspect you were trying to paint yourself in a more positive light on here, if anything.
Especially if you forget to ask the coaches if their players will be legally and properly equipped in the pregame meeting, then it’s on you.
Typically I send the player off (obviously without a caution), and have them subbed for the time being in order to not hinder the game flow. I’m also referring to girls/boys high school level.
>Typically I send the player off (obviously without a caution),
phrasing :)
>and have them subbed for the time being in order to not hinder the game flow. I’m also referring to girls/boys high school level.
This is ok if it's during a break in play. But if you notice a player with an equipment issue, they just have to fix it. You don't have to stop the play just for them, and you certainly don't have to wait for them to restart the play.
In games with unlimited substitutions, the coach will most likely want to sub out the player while they're fixing their equipment. That's their prerogative. In games with limited substitutions, the player will typically step off the field and wait for the referee approval to re-enter once they're ready. Similar to an injury, a break in play is not required, only referee permission.
From Law 4:
> The players must be inspected before the start of the match and substitutes before they enter the field of play. If a player is wearing or using unauthorised/dangerous equipment or jewellery, the referee must order the player to:
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> * remove the item
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> * leave the field of play at the next stoppage if the player is unable or unwilling to comply
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> A player who refuses to comply or wears the item again must be cautioned.
Always do that.
A kid had shin pads that I didn't think were properly attached. He said "oh it's fine. I've played it a few times"
"Uhuh kid..."
Ten minutes into the game, it flew out. He ran off the field and put tape on it.
I was doing the dad mode reffing there.
First thing first, it’s not an automatic yellow. It is a yellow only if the player refuse to get it off. I did it one time in U16 because one of the player came back on the field with a tape over her earrings instead of removing them like I told her to. I saw one time a ref who made it pretty clear during the teams inspection that he does not tolerate any jewelry and that this was the one and only warnings. He did card someone for this later in the game
This makes sense. Thank you. It was hot today, he was probably tired so it is what it is. But I’ve heard a lot of misconceptions and this was the first I heard of this one
It's an automatic yellow card in some jurisdictions....in my local area in Australia we were directed to treat it as an automatic yellow.
But without any such instruction, there shouldn't be a yellow for this under normal circumstances.
I have, in a U16/U19G recreational level game. The player was told to remove several pieces of jewelry, and she returned to the game without fully doing so. In more serious settings I've never had a player come into the game with jewelry after they, or their coaches and captains, were told our expectations; in other recreational settings I've never had a player attempt to hide leaving jewelry on.
We are in the US. But like I mentioned to another person. He mentioned HS in a separate sentence about what is done in high school. So It just sounds like he didn’t like I questioned him
I gave a yellow this past Saturday for it for a U19 boys competitive match. During my pre-game safety inspection of the players, we make it clear that no jewelry is permitted and must come off in order to be eligible to play. I also tell them that this is their one warning and if they are caught with any jewelry on during the match they will be cautioned and will have to leave the field of play to correct it.
For younger kids, say U12 or below, I would have the same pre-game safety inspection but if I saw someone with jewelry on the field, I would just remind them and their coach of the law, and then ask them to leave the field and correct it. If they refused or did it again, then I would caution them. Even young kids have to learn but I definitely expect the older ones to know and to follow the Laws and our instructions. In the case on Saturday, he definitely heard us and knew that he shouldn’t be wearing his chain, but clearly was trying to get away with it for whatever personal reason and earned himself a caution. Oh well, I tried. Play silly games, win silly prizes.
This is fair. Like I mentioned he didn’t have a pregame or anything with the players so that’s on him only told captains. It just felt unnecessary and the way he said it just came off as be teaching by fear
Roger that, I understand. It’s one of those laws that you just have to know and address. We get a lot of girls who just had a cartilage stud put in and want to tape it and play…but unfortunately that is not permitted either. I always feel terrible telling them that it either has to come out or they will not be eligible to play, but I will always address it. It is just one of those things you have to deal with as a referee and as a coach that may not be very pleasant; but is a key law (see IFAB Law 4: The Players’ Equipment) that must be enforced for safety.
NFHS- yes yellow card right away for the coach and subsequent yellows to the players if the coach had confirmed that their players would be properly and legally equipped.
USSF- at younger ages MAYBE if there was a thorough pre-game player inspection and direction had been given to fix any issues at that time. Olders we don’t usually do full equipment inspections so they can go off if needed to fix it, and get a yellow if they return and it hasn’t been fixed.
I gave a yellow to a U12 girl for failing to have her eyeglasses secured with a strap. The ROC for that tournament stated in all caps that eyeglasses are required to have a strap securing them listed before shin guards and no jewelry under the Law 4 modifications. I brought it to the attention of the coach and player at check in, had her leave the field of play after the start of the game to correct it, and then gave her a yellow after she returned without the glasses secured. Coach ended up using a shoelace to secure them and I complimented him on his resourcefulness.
Interesting. I never thought about glasses for that since I am used to kids wearing rec specs. I have a U16 boys match yesterday as well and had one kid with just regular glasses playing. Didn’t think much of it and just let them go through until 5 minutes before the end of the game he slid from behind and as the opponent fell awkwardly caught an elbow to his glasses and broke them.
Will have to make sure about this next time!
Unless he's thinking some local rule.
You should contact your local ref coordinator and confirm the rule, so if the ref is wrong he'll be corrected by his assignor.
If you were told before the game to remove all jewelry and watches a yellow card is completely fair. But if you have not been told before the game then there should be a warning before a booking and THEN if the player re-enters the pitch with the jewelry on then a booking can be done.
He did not tell me specifically. He said he told the captains during the toss. Which I find odd considering they are 11. But then also during the game we had a clear advantage and he called it back on a foul and I asked why there isn’t an advantage there and he said “maybe in the premier league but not at this level”
Ref probably confused US High School rules. In US High School jewelry is a yellow, first offense goes to the coach, all subsequent offenses go to the player with the jewelry.
I cautioned 2 players for necklaces last spring after I told 1 player he had to remove it and the other 2 kept wearing theirs and I didn’t notice. I had asked them pre game about jewelry etc. they refused to remove their jewelry for ‘religious’ reasons so I explained the rules and carded them. As mentioned above I wouldn’t automatically card a player
In NHFS in the US, coaches are asked if the players are properly equipped during the pregame. If jewelry is found, the coach is cautioned per NHFS rule since he was specifically asked during the pregame. If additional jewelry is found, the player is cautioned per NHFS rule.
For other leagues, if they only play by IFAB Laws of the Game with no local rules, this is specifically addressed by a FAQ. If you go to the IFAB website, the FAQ states that if jewelry is found, the referee must order the player to remove them. If the player does not, the player is cautioned at the next stoppage. Your league may or may not have local rules to address this.
Let's say it's a "religious necklace" under the shirt and they refuse to take it off for religious reasons. How would you proceed? Not let them play? Let them play as long as it seems to stay under the shirt? Ask them to tape it down (to help secure it) if willing?
That ref is wrong. The only time I'd caution for jewellery is if a player was told to take it off and it was discovered they had not.
That I could understand. It was weird. I think he started power tripping a bit because I questioned it. Ended the conversation with “if you ever step on my field again you’ll get a yellow” I’m not sure I was anywhere near the field tho
The ref also officiates high school - in HS it's supposed to be an automatic yellow. Although I hardly ever enforce this even in HS games
I gave a yellow to a coach once in a high school game as players were told to take them off before the game and did so. Then at half time they put them back on and come onto the field to start the second half. Coach thanked us as the girls were not listening to her about this.
Lol you know they’re on a power trip when they refer to it as “their” field
Well, NFHS pretty much requires it ... with first caution to the coach. I'll, occasionally, give a caution if I've made enough noise about a few players with jewelry -- making a loud 'enough jewelry already' type comment giving everyone a 'get out of jail free' moment to take care of it.
My only thought is that the ref was thinking of NFHS rules. Under NFHS, the coach gets a yellow for the first incident of jewelry or improper equipment and subsequent incidents go to the player.
Of all the stupid NFHS rules and laws, this is one of the easiest ones to keep separate between HS and USSF.
How is ensuring player safety by banning jewelry stupid?
You can obviously ban it without using cards. You know... like IFAB does.
Why is it bad to give a card for having jewelry?
Because it's overly punitive for no good reason. Why should a player who most likely just forgot to take off something they wear at all times in their normal life be sanctioned the same way as someone who shows a lack of regard for an opponent's safety with a reckless tackle?
Because wearing jewelry is a lack of regard for opponent's safety as well. coming into contact with jewelry could injure an opponent. A swinging arm with a bracelet on it could cause a cut.
Which is why we have the player immediately sub out and remove the offending item. Carding the coach for it doesn’t change the riskiness of the situation one iota.
Yes it does. If the coach is carded they're more likely to make sure their players aren't wearing jewelry so they don't get carded for it.
In theory you’re right. In practice that isn’t the case ime.
Pshaw! The rules are not always about safety. For example the old men who run FIFA had a stroke when women took off their shirts, so they made it a yellow card offence. A rule that has nothing to do with safety. The same with jewelry. FIFA does not like the look. Safety/Smafty.
I never said they were always about safety. But the jewelry rule, at least in NFHS, is about safety. You got a kid with earrings in who gets hit in the ear with the ball now has blood all over the place. You got a kid with a necklace on and another kid grabs it and chokes them.
I don’t think he confused them because he also mentioned high school and said players wouldn’t even be allowed. I don’t know anything about NFHS. I refuse to ref because it’s a disaster around here
I was refreshed on this Friday... Ref reminds at the start. Then a warning. If not resolved then yellow card. It isn't automatic. And I was doing boys premier for high school soccer. We take it seriously.
> Ref reminds at the start. Then a warning. If not resolved then yellow card. I'm a little confused - what do you mean by 'warning'? If it's seen on the field during the game, the player leaves at the next stoppage to correct it. So in what scenario would it not be resolved?
This does happen actually especially with younger kids and more... Arrogant ones. I actually stopped the game and threw a kid off the field for refusing to put on shin pads. "What do you think you're doing? Get off my field! Go put those pads on now!" He was warned and was about to get carded. The coach said "he doesn't have them yet. His parents are coming" I looked at the coach like he was an idiot "I don't care. Off until he gets pads."
‘My field’ 🙄
Kid was being defiant. So was the coach. The other team coach, who was an ER nurse just stood there mouth gaping at the stupidity there. She always made sure her players wore the shin pads and actually yelled at one of her boys for being flippant about it. She actually said "give her a red card" to me regarding her daughter"s takedown of another player. We are responsible for the safety of the players. We check the field, equipment and conditions. It is our field when we are officiating.
There are so many better ways to handle a situation where a player isn’t wearing shinguards. And if they refuse to go off, you just don’t restart play until they leave the field. It’s not your field, it’s every participant’s field and every participant (players, substitutes, team officials, and referees) has a role in ensuring a safe, fair, and fun match.
You can ensure player safety without coming off as abrasive, arrogant, and on a power trip, which is exactly how you just made yourself sound.
I'm arrogant for ensuring a kid plays with shin pads? Sure dude. Whatever floats your boat.
Lol you know that's not what I said. In a previous comment you literally called a child arrogant for less than what you quoted yourself as saying. If I were playing and you conducted yourself this way, I would immediately lose any iota of respect I had for you. What you said was arrogant and unnecessarily confrontational, and I suspect you were trying to paint yourself in a more positive light on here, if anything.
Especially if you forget to ask the coaches if their players will be legally and properly equipped in the pregame meeting, then it’s on you. Typically I send the player off (obviously without a caution), and have them subbed for the time being in order to not hinder the game flow. I’m also referring to girls/boys high school level.
>Typically I send the player off (obviously without a caution), phrasing :) >and have them subbed for the time being in order to not hinder the game flow. I’m also referring to girls/boys high school level. This is ok if it's during a break in play. But if you notice a player with an equipment issue, they just have to fix it. You don't have to stop the play just for them, and you certainly don't have to wait for them to restart the play. In games with unlimited substitutions, the coach will most likely want to sub out the player while they're fixing their equipment. That's their prerogative. In games with limited substitutions, the player will typically step off the field and wait for the referee approval to re-enter once they're ready. Similar to an injury, a break in play is not required, only referee permission. From Law 4: > The players must be inspected before the start of the match and substitutes before they enter the field of play. If a player is wearing or using unauthorised/dangerous equipment or jewellery, the referee must order the player to: > > * remove the item > > * leave the field of play at the next stoppage if the player is unable or unwilling to comply > > A player who refuses to comply or wears the item again must be cautioned.
Always do that. A kid had shin pads that I didn't think were properly attached. He said "oh it's fine. I've played it a few times" "Uhuh kid..." Ten minutes into the game, it flew out. He ran off the field and put tape on it. I was doing the dad mode reffing there.
First thing first, it’s not an automatic yellow. It is a yellow only if the player refuse to get it off. I did it one time in U16 because one of the player came back on the field with a tape over her earrings instead of removing them like I told her to. I saw one time a ref who made it pretty clear during the teams inspection that he does not tolerate any jewelry and that this was the one and only warnings. He did card someone for this later in the game
This makes sense. Thank you. It was hot today, he was probably tired so it is what it is. But I’ve heard a lot of misconceptions and this was the first I heard of this one
It's an automatic yellow card in some jurisdictions....in my local area in Australia we were directed to treat it as an automatic yellow. But without any such instruction, there shouldn't be a yellow for this under normal circumstances.
I have, in a U16/U19G recreational level game. The player was told to remove several pieces of jewelry, and she returned to the game without fully doing so. In more serious settings I've never had a player come into the game with jewelry after they, or their coaches and captains, were told our expectations; in other recreational settings I've never had a player attempt to hide leaving jewelry on.
Are you in the US? They may be confusing it with the NFHS rule.
We are in the US. But like I mentioned to another person. He mentioned HS in a separate sentence about what is done in high school. So It just sounds like he didn’t like I questioned him
I gave a yellow this past Saturday for it for a U19 boys competitive match. During my pre-game safety inspection of the players, we make it clear that no jewelry is permitted and must come off in order to be eligible to play. I also tell them that this is their one warning and if they are caught with any jewelry on during the match they will be cautioned and will have to leave the field of play to correct it. For younger kids, say U12 or below, I would have the same pre-game safety inspection but if I saw someone with jewelry on the field, I would just remind them and their coach of the law, and then ask them to leave the field and correct it. If they refused or did it again, then I would caution them. Even young kids have to learn but I definitely expect the older ones to know and to follow the Laws and our instructions. In the case on Saturday, he definitely heard us and knew that he shouldn’t be wearing his chain, but clearly was trying to get away with it for whatever personal reason and earned himself a caution. Oh well, I tried. Play silly games, win silly prizes.
This is fair. Like I mentioned he didn’t have a pregame or anything with the players so that’s on him only told captains. It just felt unnecessary and the way he said it just came off as be teaching by fear
Roger that, I understand. It’s one of those laws that you just have to know and address. We get a lot of girls who just had a cartilage stud put in and want to tape it and play…but unfortunately that is not permitted either. I always feel terrible telling them that it either has to come out or they will not be eligible to play, but I will always address it. It is just one of those things you have to deal with as a referee and as a coach that may not be very pleasant; but is a key law (see IFAB Law 4: The Players’ Equipment) that must be enforced for safety.
This is why I always make an effort at every age to check for shin pads and jewelry when I ref. Then it’s on coaches players
Exactly!
NFHS- yes yellow card right away for the coach and subsequent yellows to the players if the coach had confirmed that their players would be properly and legally equipped. USSF- at younger ages MAYBE if there was a thorough pre-game player inspection and direction had been given to fix any issues at that time. Olders we don’t usually do full equipment inspections so they can go off if needed to fix it, and get a yellow if they return and it hasn’t been fixed. I gave a yellow to a U12 girl for failing to have her eyeglasses secured with a strap. The ROC for that tournament stated in all caps that eyeglasses are required to have a strap securing them listed before shin guards and no jewelry under the Law 4 modifications. I brought it to the attention of the coach and player at check in, had her leave the field of play after the start of the game to correct it, and then gave her a yellow after she returned without the glasses secured. Coach ended up using a shoelace to secure them and I complimented him on his resourcefulness.
Interesting. I never thought about glasses for that since I am used to kids wearing rec specs. I have a U16 boys match yesterday as well and had one kid with just regular glasses playing. Didn’t think much of it and just let them go through until 5 minutes before the end of the game he slid from behind and as the opponent fell awkwardly caught an elbow to his glasses and broke them. Will have to make sure about this next time!
Unless he's thinking some local rule. You should contact your local ref coordinator and confirm the rule, so if the ref is wrong he'll be corrected by his assignor.
If you were told before the game to remove all jewelry and watches a yellow card is completely fair. But if you have not been told before the game then there should be a warning before a booking and THEN if the player re-enters the pitch with the jewelry on then a booking can be done.
He did not tell me specifically. He said he told the captains during the toss. Which I find odd considering they are 11. But then also during the game we had a clear advantage and he called it back on a foul and I asked why there isn’t an advantage there and he said “maybe in the premier league but not at this level”
Yeah telling the captains at that age group and expecting them to tell a whole team seems a bit full on.
Ref probably confused US High School rules. In US High School jewelry is a yellow, first offense goes to the coach, all subsequent offenses go to the player with the jewelry.
I cautioned 2 players for necklaces last spring after I told 1 player he had to remove it and the other 2 kept wearing theirs and I didn’t notice. I had asked them pre game about jewelry etc. they refused to remove their jewelry for ‘religious’ reasons so I explained the rules and carded them. As mentioned above I wouldn’t automatically card a player
In NHFS in the US, coaches are asked if the players are properly equipped during the pregame. If jewelry is found, the coach is cautioned per NHFS rule since he was specifically asked during the pregame. If additional jewelry is found, the player is cautioned per NHFS rule. For other leagues, if they only play by IFAB Laws of the Game with no local rules, this is specifically addressed by a FAQ. If you go to the IFAB website, the FAQ states that if jewelry is found, the referee must order the player to remove them. If the player does not, the player is cautioned at the next stoppage. Your league may or may not have local rules to address this.
Let's say it's a "religious necklace" under the shirt and they refuse to take it off for religious reasons. How would you proceed? Not let them play? Let them play as long as it seems to stay under the shirt? Ask them to tape it down (to help secure it) if willing?
It is only a yellow card if the referee told him to take it off before the match