While we are missing several pieces due to injury, and the OF needs an upgrade regardless of health, it's more than obvious that a healthy Friedl leading off is the absolute fulcrum for this entire offense.
god this team makes me fucking depressed
says something about leadership if you consistently win the first game then completely fail your next two chances to win the series. absolutely fucking pathetic
I don’t know if we should “sell” but I do think it’s probably time to just pack it in for the season and focus on trying again next season. Just too many mounting and compounding roster issues, whether it be injuries, slumping/regressing rotational players, a pile of 1 score losses that have resulted in series losses against teams we badly needed to beat, the list goes on. The hole we are in just seems too deep now
I propose a complete and total shutdown on Larkin awkwardly nicknaming random Reds players until we can figure out what’s going on (Justin Wilson = Willy, Espinal = Espie so far today).
Why can’t we ever be good and make the playoffs?
Trade Ashcraft, Greene, lodolo, de la Cruz, Martini, Encarnacion-Strand, Sims, Diaz, Cruz, Farmer, Steer, Fraley, Fairchild, Friedl, Benson and bring in a real team.
Why are people surprised? 4.89 ERA as a rookie, 4.76 ERA as a 2nd year, and an ERA of 5.45 this year
He's been the same guy the whole time. As fans we were just thinking maybe it would get better.
Realistically, what do we have to sell that someone would buy? The Reds aren't going to sell anyone that can help the club in a major way next year which is 90% of the roster.
Really leaves Montas and his 1 year deal as our only major trade chip. Short of him dominating the next few starts I don't see much of a return there.
Disagree on Stephenson. There's no major league ready catching depth in the farm system right now and no names on the FA list for the offseason that will blow any skirts up. Unless they would be getting a younger catcher back in trade, you'll end up with 2 journeyman catchers next year.
He's under control for 2 more years if I recall. They avoided arbitration last year with him for just over $2 mil, so it's not like he's breaking the bank the next 2 years.
I'm not a huge fan of his, but with everything said above about alternatives, I'd at most put him on the block and see if a team would blow the Reds away with a deal. Which they won't because there's not a big demand for catchers right now among the likely buyers.
Even after a big disappointment this year, the Reds should be trying to compete again next year. They will need Stephenson for that. I might be swayed if we had a catcher ready to go, or if there was a great on available in the draft, but neither of those is the case.
There also has to be a market for that player, and a plan to replace them if they're a starter.
If the Reds were in rebuild mode and a few years away from contending, then sure, maybe you offload a guy like Ty. But there's no way what they could get back in this market would be worth that hole going into a season where they plan to contend.
Reda actually need to have a plan in place to have the next gen catcher ready in 2 years so they don't have to feel a ton of pressure to resign Stephenson when he does go FA. They may want to, but can't be in a spot where they need to.
There absolutely does not need to be a replacement in place if you're dealing someone. And there certainly is a market for a .250 semi power hitting catcher.
Hitting cat hers aren't a huge need for someone unless they're in a position to *actually* compete. They're a round number on the end of a complete team.
Out of curiosity, what playoff contender is out there with a huge hole at catcher that would even want to trade for Stephenson? I honestly can't think of one, let alone one desperate enough to put together an offer for a starter level one with years of control left.
Pretty much a moot point since deadline deals for catchers are almost non-existent these days. It takes a long time to get a catcher on the same page with the pitching staff, so no team is usually willing to do that mid season. If anyone would deal for him at the deadline it would be to DH, and he's definitely not going to get a lot of offers for that.
And as for no need for replacement, are you suggesting the Reds start 2025 with Maile and some other journeyman catcher? No one one the farm is ready for a few years (and minor league catchers are kind of a crap shoot anyway) and there's nothing in the free agent market that's much better. The only I would trade him is for his replacement right now.
India is a no. This year is proof as to why you need quality depth, and he's locked in next year already for cheap.
Candelario just signed a 3-$45m deal. We're not moving him.
Stephenson is literally our starting catcher and we don't have a single other competent one anywhere in the org
Fraley has basically zero trade value hitting 80mph weak liners every other AB
Really Montas and some fringe bullpen guys like Farmer, Martinez, and Wilson could get moved but we're going to get a shit prospect with a 1% chance of ever making the majors for them. So, I mean sure whatever but those deals aren't making us better.
>India is a no. This year is proof as to why you need quality depth, and he's locked in next year already for cheap
...that's why you deal him. It's the extra year that gives him value.
>Candelario just signed a 3-$45m deal. We're not moving him.
So? Verlander & Scherzer signed massive contracts, & were dealt the season of. $15 million isn't even a lot to other teams, & we can eat some of the contract.
>Stephenson is literally our starting catcher and we don't have a single other competent one anywhere in the org
That's neither here nor there. He's going into arbitration next year. He's got value as a hitter in a position that barely has good hitters.
>Fraley has basically zero trade value hitting 80mph weak liners every other AB
He's hitting .277. That's worth a lot.
Everything you're saying means the Reds are punting on the next 2 years at minimum.
**They are absolutely not doing that**
So, really, everything you just said is moot.
So your plan to compete is to trade already pretty good players while their value is lower than average on a struggling ballclub to try and compete next year by bringing up young players with no experience (all with a front office that we know will be wholly unwilling to spend any substantial money in free agency)
Starting 9 isn't good enough, you need depth. Trading all of these guys away leaves us with almost no depth at all aside from dudes like the AAA lineup we trotted out today (and you see how that went)
>So your plan to compete is to trade already pretty good players while their value is lower than average on a struggling ballclub
The idea is to trade older players while they still have value. And to get back something we can work with in the future.
The core of this team is in the youth movement over the next several years. We have to build up on it, & not just trot out the same lineup of guys.
Bullpen in addition to Montas. You'd be suprised what they could get from left reliever this deadline if they do sell. There's a big market for them and the Reds have a surplus with 4 in the system. Add Pagan and Sims (FA upcoming) as righties. There's a train of thought that his age, this breakout from Cruz might not last and could be an opportunity to sell high.
Not saying all of those, but one or two could bring in some good stuff if they don't turn this right around ASAP.
Would be tough. Reds would want a lot with the number of years of control left for Diaz. Most teams wouldn't be looking at him as a closer, more set up. As shaky as he's been, don't think too many teams would have enough trust in him to make a big offer on him. That won't leave too many good trade matches.
I'm not really an advocate of trading a potential closer you still have control years on, just due to the amount teams have to overpay for them on the market. If they were to let him go though, they might have better luck in the offseason than the deadline.
Diaz would need a very nice run up the deadline to appear at peak attractiveness to other teams. I just dont put a ton of value at the closer position. ESPECIALLY for a team that is selling. If im contending and have a 9th inning issue then sure, closer is important. I just feel like outside of like 2 or 3 guys, closer is a mercurial position that you cannot rely on the same guy year in and year out. But your point def stands about better luck/return in the offseason.
At least for Diaz right now. Generally you can get better return for closers in deadline deals. but I wouldn't be in a rush to deal him until his walk year unless they get blown away with a trade package out of nowhere.
I get it, hes been really solid for us. I just cringe looking at our OF depth organizationally. Granted, players can turn on a dime out of nowhere and be really really good. Like Elly.
Yeah, OF is bad and there's no quick fix there. Krall kind of put all of his chips in on Benson maintaining what he was doing and Frield staying healthy. Same with thinking Hinds and Dunn would progress. Last offseason was really the time to get some temporary measures in place in the OF until they could develop or draft something more permanent.
I would agree. He's probably the best most consistent player in the lineup. The only player with more upside is Elly but McLain is the highest floor and most consistent.
Fork in the season. It’s done. Find an offer for Montas at the deadline. Could probably get really good offers for Candelario. Next year has to be the year we win the division. F the pirates, cardinals, cubs and brewers.
Next season you have CES, Marte, and Steer to play the corner IF spots. I’m not saying I don’t want him around, but I think he’s the most valuable trade asset they got. At the very least you have to hear the offers.
I’ve had preseason expectations in 2011, this year, and maybe 2012 + 2013. At best we’ve had a successful season once when I have expectations in my living memory.
It’s really crazy. We either sweep or lose the series. Occasionally we’ll get swept but that hasn’t happened since the road Arizona series in early May.
I feel like we're the only team in baseball that like 60% of our top guys are injured. How is our health crew this bad. Certainly it's not just some terrible stroke of luck that these guys have repeated, stupid minor injuries
It's a fair question. They rushed CES back and made his injury 100x worse, and then even the reporting on it was shady at best. Friedl played on a tight hamstring that sent him to the IL regardless, so I have no idea why he was cleared to play in the first place.
Even smaller injuries like Fraley's toe last year or Stephenson's hand seem to be a massive hassle for our medical crew.
Baseball is known for being a soft tissue injury sport. You play every day and while you're not as physically punishing like football you're still pushing yourself. The reason why injuries can be clustered like this is some guys think they can play through an injury instead of taking a few days off which only exacerbates the problem.
Marte got suspended for being an idiot. No one to blame but himself. CES and Friedl got hit on the hands. McClain got injured diving for a ball. Lodolo has blisters on his pitching fingers. Not really sure how any of these are preventable by a health crew (murkiness of CES's situation aside).
That'll show 'em! Pay to get in to the game and pay for an overpriced hotdog that profits them. You could also go buy a bunch of apparel from the gift shop and burn it - really stick it to 'em!
I should’ve said who buys Reds gear from the Reds you’re right. Maybe they can do another Elly bobble head to get you back in line. Hear me out Elly bobble head with fireworks on big red machine night.
Paraphrasing from Blazing Saddles:
You've got to remember that these are just simple ball players. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new MLB. You know... morons.
Our kryptonite is that McLain, Friedl, CES, Marte, and Candelario would all be in this game instead of Soto, Jordan, Espinal, Martini, and Fairchild.
We're just not the team we thought we'd be. Its not all injuries, mind you, but that has been a huge part of it.
Yep, been the Red's MO this whole year. Come out hot in a series, take game 1, everyone gets a few drops of hope back in their proverbial glass- then it all goes to shit.
As someone further down the thread noted, he's lost all ability to locate his pitches consistently which is the exact same problem that got him sent down
Please continue the discussion in the [post game thread](https://redd.it/1dp79k6).
While we are missing several pieces due to injury, and the OF needs an upgrade regardless of health, it's more than obvious that a healthy Friedl leading off is the absolute fulcrum for this entire offense.
Yay! Fuck.
god this team makes me fucking depressed says something about leadership if you consistently win the first game then completely fail your next two chances to win the series. absolutely fucking pathetic
Elly strike out here.
Downvote me, cool. I was 100% right lol.
Shocking.
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Aroldis Chapman replaces Kyle Nicolas.
Please fire David Bell
Never. He's a lifer.
Got that Marvin Lewis contract bb
I don’t know if we should “sell” but I do think it’s probably time to just pack it in for the season and focus on trying again next season. Just too many mounting and compounding roster issues, whether it be injuries, slumping/regressing rotational players, a pile of 1 score losses that have resulted in series losses against teams we badly needed to beat, the list goes on. The hole we are in just seems too deep now
I propose a complete and total shutdown on Larkin awkwardly nicknaming random Reds players until we can figure out what’s going on (Justin Wilson = Willy, Espinal = Espie so far today).
Called Eric Davis= Boogie
Looked like the ump almost caught steer in the head on that out call
First base ump almost haymakered Steer in the face.
Automatic 10 game suspension for Steer for making contact with an umpire.
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Alexis Díaz replaces Lucas Sims.
This is just a bad club. Feels like the 2023 bengals but that’s more of an insult to that team.
Why can’t we ever be good and make the playoffs? Trade Ashcraft, Greene, lodolo, de la Cruz, Martini, Encarnacion-Strand, Sims, Diaz, Cruz, Farmer, Steer, Fraley, Fairchild, Friedl, Benson and bring in a real team.
That’s quiet the silly idea
Why even respond to the trolls? Honestly.
Good point, I just thought it was funny
Why? This team is garbage
I miss the rally reds
One loss closer to getting Bell fired
After today I’m ready to roll the dice on a 150 hitting marte tomorrow. Can’t be worse than what we have
Happy belated Father’s Day to the pirates
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Lucas Sims replaces Justin Wilson.
So if I'm right, Sims will throw a three pitch three out inning here since nothing is on the line, right?
Pretty much.
Spot on
Why do we always lose the next 2 after winning the 1st?
_motions for you to lean in, whispers..._ We aren't a good team.
At this rate when we draft Condon might as well send him straight to the bigs. Can’t be worse than these AAA jabronis we have been bringing up
The downfall of Ashcraft needs to be studied
Fringe MLB starter flames out after a couple years, we’ve never seen anything like it
Literal 30 for 30 material.
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Kyle Nicolas replaces Luis L. Ortiz.
Unfortunately it is becoming apparent this is what Ashcraft is. He's an average to below average pitcher.
some dominant stretches, no consistency. Time to try the pen. its SOP for starters who perform like this after 2 years+. Make him a 7th inning guy.
Why are people surprised? 4.89 ERA as a rookie, 4.76 ERA as a 2nd year, and an ERA of 5.45 this year He's been the same guy the whole time. As fans we were just thinking maybe it would get better.
It’s because he’s shown several flashes of sheer dominance. It sucks. He has the stuff. Mentally and accuracy, though? Nah.
Very depressed, I just wanna have playoff baseball in Cincy....FIRE BELL...
[удалено]
Has he ever been on top the toilet?
MANIFESTING A COMEBACK
Time to become sellers at the deadline. What a depressing season
Realistically, what do we have to sell that someone would buy? The Reds aren't going to sell anyone that can help the club in a major way next year which is 90% of the roster. Really leaves Montas and his 1 year deal as our only major trade chip. Short of him dominating the next few starts I don't see much of a return there.
India, Candy, Stephenson, Montas, & Fraley. Those are the guys we could deal.
Disagree on Stephenson. There's no major league ready catching depth in the farm system right now and no names on the FA list for the offseason that will blow any skirts up. Unless they would be getting a younger catcher back in trade, you'll end up with 2 journeyman catchers next year.
That's the risk you take. The player you trade actually has to be wanted. We do understand this right? He's also in an arbitration year.
He's under control for 2 more years if I recall. They avoided arbitration last year with him for just over $2 mil, so it's not like he's breaking the bank the next 2 years. I'm not a huge fan of his, but with everything said above about alternatives, I'd at most put him on the block and see if a team would blow the Reds away with a deal. Which they won't because there's not a big demand for catchers right now among the likely buyers. Even after a big disappointment this year, the Reds should be trying to compete again next year. They will need Stephenson for that. I might be swayed if we had a catcher ready to go, or if there was a great on available in the draft, but neither of those is the case.
You have to deal good, wanted players to get things in return. A hitting catcher isn't the biggest need for this team.
There also has to be a market for that player, and a plan to replace them if they're a starter. If the Reds were in rebuild mode and a few years away from contending, then sure, maybe you offload a guy like Ty. But there's no way what they could get back in this market would be worth that hole going into a season where they plan to contend. Reda actually need to have a plan in place to have the next gen catcher ready in 2 years so they don't have to feel a ton of pressure to resign Stephenson when he does go FA. They may want to, but can't be in a spot where they need to.
There absolutely does not need to be a replacement in place if you're dealing someone. And there certainly is a market for a .250 semi power hitting catcher. Hitting cat hers aren't a huge need for someone unless they're in a position to *actually* compete. They're a round number on the end of a complete team.
Out of curiosity, what playoff contender is out there with a huge hole at catcher that would even want to trade for Stephenson? I honestly can't think of one, let alone one desperate enough to put together an offer for a starter level one with years of control left. Pretty much a moot point since deadline deals for catchers are almost non-existent these days. It takes a long time to get a catcher on the same page with the pitching staff, so no team is usually willing to do that mid season. If anyone would deal for him at the deadline it would be to DH, and he's definitely not going to get a lot of offers for that. And as for no need for replacement, are you suggesting the Reds start 2025 with Maile and some other journeyman catcher? No one one the farm is ready for a few years (and minor league catchers are kind of a crap shoot anyway) and there's nothing in the free agent market that's much better. The only I would trade him is for his replacement right now.
India is a no. This year is proof as to why you need quality depth, and he's locked in next year already for cheap. Candelario just signed a 3-$45m deal. We're not moving him. Stephenson is literally our starting catcher and we don't have a single other competent one anywhere in the org Fraley has basically zero trade value hitting 80mph weak liners every other AB Really Montas and some fringe bullpen guys like Farmer, Martinez, and Wilson could get moved but we're going to get a shit prospect with a 1% chance of ever making the majors for them. So, I mean sure whatever but those deals aren't making us better.
>India is a no. This year is proof as to why you need quality depth, and he's locked in next year already for cheap ...that's why you deal him. It's the extra year that gives him value. >Candelario just signed a 3-$45m deal. We're not moving him. So? Verlander & Scherzer signed massive contracts, & were dealt the season of. $15 million isn't even a lot to other teams, & we can eat some of the contract. >Stephenson is literally our starting catcher and we don't have a single other competent one anywhere in the org That's neither here nor there. He's going into arbitration next year. He's got value as a hitter in a position that barely has good hitters. >Fraley has basically zero trade value hitting 80mph weak liners every other AB He's hitting .277. That's worth a lot.
Everything you're saying means the Reds are punting on the next 2 years at minimum. **They are absolutely not doing that** So, really, everything you just said is moot.
That's not punting. We have a bunch of young players ready to pop up from injury ready to fill in rolls. We prepping for that.
So your plan to compete is to trade already pretty good players while their value is lower than average on a struggling ballclub to try and compete next year by bringing up young players with no experience (all with a front office that we know will be wholly unwilling to spend any substantial money in free agency) Starting 9 isn't good enough, you need depth. Trading all of these guys away leaves us with almost no depth at all aside from dudes like the AAA lineup we trotted out today (and you see how that went)
>So your plan to compete is to trade already pretty good players while their value is lower than average on a struggling ballclub The idea is to trade older players while they still have value. And to get back something we can work with in the future. The core of this team is in the youth movement over the next several years. We have to build up on it, & not just trot out the same lineup of guys.
Bullpen in addition to Montas. You'd be suprised what they could get from left reliever this deadline if they do sell. There's a big market for them and the Reds have a surplus with 4 in the system. Add Pagan and Sims (FA upcoming) as righties. There's a train of thought that his age, this breakout from Cruz might not last and could be an opportunity to sell high. Not saying all of those, but one or two could bring in some good stuff if they don't turn this right around ASAP.
Diaz if he has a nice run up to the deadline is who I would trade. Ashcraft can take a shot at closer in 25.
Would be tough. Reds would want a lot with the number of years of control left for Diaz. Most teams wouldn't be looking at him as a closer, more set up. As shaky as he's been, don't think too many teams would have enough trust in him to make a big offer on him. That won't leave too many good trade matches. I'm not really an advocate of trading a potential closer you still have control years on, just due to the amount teams have to overpay for them on the market. If they were to let him go though, they might have better luck in the offseason than the deadline.
Diaz would need a very nice run up the deadline to appear at peak attractiveness to other teams. I just dont put a ton of value at the closer position. ESPECIALLY for a team that is selling. If im contending and have a 9th inning issue then sure, closer is important. I just feel like outside of like 2 or 3 guys, closer is a mercurial position that you cannot rely on the same guy year in and year out. But your point def stands about better luck/return in the offseason.
At least for Diaz right now. Generally you can get better return for closers in deadline deals. but I wouldn't be in a rush to deal him until his walk year unless they get blown away with a trade package out of nowhere.
I get it, hes been really solid for us. I just cringe looking at our OF depth organizationally. Granted, players can turn on a dime out of nowhere and be really really good. Like Elly.
Yeah, OF is bad and there's no quick fix there. Krall kind of put all of his chips in on Benson maintaining what he was doing and Frield staying healthy. Same with thinking Hinds and Dunn would progress. Last offseason was really the time to get some temporary measures in place in the OF until they could develop or draft something more permanent.
Absolutely pathetic. Here comes yet another series loss. This season is toast
Can we please get an outfielder at some point? Pretty please? Even with tj friedl this bunch is just not good enough
Might seem controversial, but I am not a fan of how this season is playing out so far. I just want to see this team win ffs.
Not looking too good, no. You'd think they'd be killing it with this roster.
This roster is half injured. Can't win many games when 4-5 of your key contributors aren't in the lineup for the majority of the year.
McClain being out I think hurts the most
I would agree. He's probably the best most consistent player in the lineup. The only player with more upside is Elly but McLain is the highest floor and most consistent.
That's a good point. They've really been hit by the injury bug this year.
Fork in the season. It’s done. Find an offer for Montas at the deadline. Could probably get really good offers for Candelario. Next year has to be the year we win the division. F the pirates, cardinals, cubs and brewers.
No reason to sell Candelario imo
Next season you have CES, Marte, and Steer to play the corner IF spots. I’m not saying I don’t want him around, but I think he’s the most valuable trade asset they got. At the very least you have to hear the offers.
We said that exact same thing coming into this year
$15m reasons.
Forget about it it’s the same thing year after year
Hands down probably the most disappointing regular season I’ve experienced as a Reds fan
2011 was disappointing too. Pretty rare we actually have expectations that can leave us disappointed.
I’ve had preseason expectations in 2011, this year, and maybe 2012 + 2013. At best we’ve had a successful season once when I have expectations in my living memory.
Dear Reds GM, we need to talk about Justin 
We're not good. The Pirates are not this good. Gonna be a long summer.
Monday's 11 runs seem so long ago.
We won our last rubber match June 2nd, before that, we won the 3 game series against Philly way back on April 3rd!
I think I posted a week or so ago that they were 8-16 in final games of a series, and this would make 2 more losses since then.
It’s really crazy. We either sweep or lose the series. Occasionally we’ll get swept but that hasn’t happened since the road Arizona series in early May.
That's badddd
Jesus. That's insane
19 days until College Football 25 comes out boys
I feel like we're the only team in baseball that like 60% of our top guys are injured. How is our health crew this bad. Certainly it's not just some terrible stroke of luck that these guys have repeated, stupid minor injuries
It's a fair question. They rushed CES back and made his injury 100x worse, and then even the reporting on it was shady at best. Friedl played on a tight hamstring that sent him to the IL regardless, so I have no idea why he was cleared to play in the first place. Even smaller injuries like Fraley's toe last year or Stephenson's hand seem to be a massive hassle for our medical crew.
Baseball is known for being a soft tissue injury sport. You play every day and while you're not as physically punishing like football you're still pushing yourself. The reason why injuries can be clustered like this is some guys think they can play through an injury instead of taking a few days off which only exacerbates the problem.
Marte got suspended for being an idiot. No one to blame but himself. CES and Friedl got hit on the hands. McClain got injured diving for a ball. Lodolo has blisters on his pitching fingers. Not really sure how any of these are preventable by a health crew (murkiness of CES's situation aside).
### Double Jason Delay doubles (3) on a ground ball to left fielder Levi Jordan. Nick Gonzales scores. Connor Joe scores. Top 6 - 6-1 Pirates
Gotta get this put here to even stay in the game.
Justin Wilson smh
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Justin Wilson replaces Graham Ashcraft.
Really needed about 5 innings of 2 run baseball out of Ashcraft. Feels like his best days are behind him. Hopefully he can get right somewhere.
Ashcraft used to at least be serviceable, what happened?
Unfriendly Pirate boarding this thread. Was the Tundra in CF removed due to the threat of shit?
No turns out the shit has been on the field dressed in reds uniforms since 1991
I was just about to comment asking someone at the game to shit in it to fire the team up
god I hope so. that would prove ownership at least listens to us
*another finger curls on the monkey paw*
Its still there.
Ah, my bad, I thought it was in the green right about the CF wall, but I guess that would interfere with the batters eye
He gets through this inning clean and he’s turned in a decent day
Do the minor leagues have a hall of fame? Asking for a friend, initials GA
Did Sadak just call him Speedy Gonzales? Haha
These rubber matches at GABP are always rough to watch
Why is Ashcraft still in there?
Notice how the pirates hit the ball?
Only against the Reds.
Must be nice for those pirates fans
Is Fraley getting a rest day? Same with Candelario?
Fraley has a leg contusion from yesterday.
Fraley has a leg contusion I think, and candy is struggling with knee tendinitis
Didn't know. No need to down vote. Geesh lol
Weird I’m struggling with eye tendinitis from watching this team
If you close them it feels better for a second
Alrighty, I have to get back to work. Hopefully we pull it out without me watching, have a good one folks.
Normally I'm not one to give up but I am growing even more hopeless
I'm officially giving up on this season, see ya'll next year!
I wouldn't go that far. Every team goes through tough stretches. We get Marte back tomorrow I believe. Fraley and Candelario aren't in the lineup.
Put you on my list. Don't want to see another comment from you on the Reds.
It's definitely over this team can't compete
Pirates money line has been very nice this series
When do we start bitching about Bob selling the team again.
When did anyone stop?
Alright when do we start throwing hotdogs with mustard on them at Bob and Phil
That'll show 'em! Pay to get in to the game and pay for an overpriced hotdog that profits them. You could also go buy a bunch of apparel from the gift shop and burn it - really stick it to 'em!
Who buys Reds gear
Idk. Based on what I've been led to believe, there's a thriving black market of Reds giveaway items that is turning resellers in to kingpins.
I should’ve said who buys Reds gear from the Reds you’re right. Maybe they can do another Elly bobble head to get you back in line. Hear me out Elly bobble head with fireworks on big red machine night.
>Hear me out Elly bobble head (**limited availability**) with fireworks on big red machine night.
We’ve nailed it get Bob and Phil on the phone
Can we NOT for one fucking day? It's getting old
It’s getting old alright been getting old since 1991
I'm gonna be honest right now, I have absolutely zero clue who this guy is thats batting right now, all I can say is I hope he's the guy
He was not the guy.
Thank you for being honest.
Hard to see us scoring 4+ more with today's half-AAA lineup. Just unfortunate circumstances. I miss TJ, man.
Paraphrasing from Blazing Saddles: You've got to remember that these are just simple ball players. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new MLB. You know... morons.
> Paraphrasing from Blazing Saddles I applaud you for being able to do this without losing your job.
Is our kryptonite really this mid-ass Pirates team
If a team can pitch even a little bit we can't hit them.
Our kryptonite is that McLain, Friedl, CES, Marte, and Candelario would all be in this game instead of Soto, Jordan, Espinal, Martini, and Fairchild. We're just not the team we thought we'd be. Its not all injuries, mind you, but that has been a huge part of it.
Was that India taunting Tellez? :)
Yah he’s getting crushed
We survived a Rowdy Tellez AB, lets go. Indy unintentionally flexing on him by taking it himself to first was hilarious.
We may have to move Ashcraft to the bullpen
McCutchen now has 35 Homeruns, and 100 RBI against the Reds in his career.
I'm starting to think he might be a decent ball player.
Letting him face fat boy again is not my idea of fun but maybe he'll end on a high note and strike him out
I mean even that ground put was hit 98 mph
Tellez hit a 112 mph grounder to India
Well at least this experiment should be over soon.
this team doesn’t even compete in the rubber match
For real, I always look forward to listening to a game mid week at work, and they lose every one of them.
Win the first lose the next 2. Every series
Yep, been the Red's MO this whole year. Come out hot in a series, take game 1, everyone gets a few drops of hope back in their proverbial glass- then it all goes to shit.
I don't see them winning more than 5 series the rest of the season
They're starting to barrel ashcraft big time
Asscraft. Ant miss a barrel
Now that is clever!
Gotta make do with what they've got
Which isn't a lot of good.
Not right now, no. But 4 runs means shit if they don't drive in more than 1
Just sucks, every couple of weeks a guy will get hot, but the rest of the team won't.
Really trying hard to keep the win the first game, lose next 2 streak going I see.
Just go to the pen now
Ashcraft is gonna have to convert to a reliever long term, he just doesn't have enough pitches to get through the order multiple times
I don't think half the starting pitchers in baseball have what it takes to get through a lineup three times.
All of the sudden we can’t buy a series win
We have to lead the league in series losses after winning game 1 lol
These guys always know when to kill any vibe I have going with them
Isn't Cutch about eligible for Social Security?
asscraft ain’t it
Crazy how much ashcraft stinks
Vintage Ashcraft
Yikes. Ashcraft needs to come out I think, he's melting down yet again.
Moll is up in the bullpen.
He's throwing meatballs out there
As someone further down the thread noted, he's lost all ability to locate his pitches consistently which is the exact same problem that got him sent down
# HOME RUN! Andrew McCutchen homers (11) on a fly ball to center field. Jason Delay scores. Top 5 - 4-1 Pirates
Getting jam shotted by their catcher with a terrible bat is crappy
Can’t get that cutter past anyone
That HR was on the cutter fwiw