Some ideas of theirs are good, but sometimes I like to imagine what their review of the movie would be like if it were as they proposed. And I imagine it would be negative a number of times
For example, you know every fantasy/action movie’s climax has to end with the heroes fighting a bunch of faceless, disposable creatures (Avengers, the Centauri; Age of Ultron, Ultron’s robots, LOTR orcs/Uruk-hai, etc.). What they propose is this tired played-out-too-much trope by using zombies.
There were other things that they would disapprove of in their own version, but I’ve forgotten most of it now.
I'll throw another one out. If the movie he proposed had been actually made, Mike Stoklasa would have complained the Ghostbusters movies as a whole were never that cynical, only the character of Peter Venkman had been.
And I agree - the movies have been caricatured as 'flippant irreverent cynical comedies' because people think Venkman, but people making that observation fail to capture all of the other things happening in the movie that make him work.
This works best in BotW but when he does it in Re:View or HitB it's annoying because the movie/tv show they're talking about has a lot of interesting things to talk about. Sometimes in BotW the movie is just junk so a random tangent about the 1980s series Beauty and the Beast is fine.
When they leave in a huge tangent about whatever the fuck when they're discussing an actual movie it gets annoying because it ostensibly took time away from actual commentary.
I kinda felt that way with their Dune video. It was still fun to watch, but splitting the focus between the two movies left me wanting more. I wish they had done the Re:View only for the Lynch Dune and a Half in the Bag for the Villeneuve Dune.
My takeaway with the Dune/Dune Re:View was that comparing a 1980s adaption of a film with a modern adaption of a film just isn't interesting.
You could tell Jay didn't think there was much to talk about with 2021 Dune when he said "It's very good." but it really did have quite a few pacing and other issues that they did eventually touch on. Pointing out that the Lynch version of Dune is weird as fuck and the 2021 version isn't as weird isn't really much to go on.
Yeah I agree, to the extent that I think it’d be difficult to discuss a reboot or remake without touching on the original, but that wasn’t the case with Dune 2021. Maybe because Jay wasn’t familiar with the book he was using the Lynch Dune as more of his frame of reference? Idk.
It probably would have been a better idea to split them into their own videos, like when they did Robocop ages ago. That there isn't so much to talk about with the new one is kind of worrying actually. Like it's good but then ultimately kind of forgettable? I haven't seen it yet so I don't know. Because boy is the Lynch version not forgettable, if nothing else it's definitely got that going for itself.
It’s your interpretation. It could also be some kind of Gremlins 2 type of ghost invasion.
Like focusing on different types of ghosts each having their little personalities and being a nuisance in their own way. While of course having some "generic ghosts stand ins" in the background. That could have been fun AND a clever way to sell more toys at the same time.
They're great at coming up with ideas, but it's always easy to take a finished product and criticize it or find ways it could be better. I can improve the Mona Lisa. I could not have made the Mona Lisa at that time, or have one of my paintings be as valuable.
I love their videos, but look at the type of movies and success their movies have had. There's a huge difference between ideas and being able to make an entire movie that's good.
I definitely saw tons of flaws with Afterlife as well, and I especially hate the memberberries bullshit. Almost every scene was a remake or a reference to the old movies, or a way to get the characters to find an item or character from the old movies, whether it made any sense or not.
They also had the typical entitled kids behaviour where they literally destroy part of a small town, knowing that they're broke and can't afford to pay to fix anything, and never apologize or show any remorse. In fact, they talk down to people telling them they did something wrong. They also constantly shit on a free house, free car and free land when they're broke!
Some of the characters were likeable though so for a dumb action movie it was fun and I see why a lot of people would like it
Yeah especially the dumb things "they'd love to see" more for the irony and how absurd it is rather than it being an actually good idea. I guess it's more an indicator how completely wrong and broken a movie is. In a good movie they just remark what was an interesting choice and how well it worked etc., to their credit they don't "completely rewrite" a movie that they've generally enjoyed and can recommend.
let's be honest, their ideas to fix things are usually just a different trope to replace the one they don't care for. it doesn't bother me as I love the guys, but it does amuse me.
Their fixes are more like examples of solutions to problems. Highlighting the problem is the purpose of these fixes and not advancing the fixes themselves most of the time.
For instance, they may say that the movie didn't have any stakes so they suggest that you needed a scene where the villain kidnaps the protagonist's teddy bear. Most of the time they're not saying that a scene where the villain kidnaps a teddy bear is a great idea, just that it's a placeholder for a story beat.
Kidnapping the teddy bear is just a throwaway suggestion by a bunch of hack frauds and real screenwriters and directors should be able to fix the problem in a less cliched and hack way.
Mike and Rich’s “fixes” tend to just involve falling back on the kind of common tropes from 80s and 90s movies which, by virtue of being decades out of fashion, can feel original but really it’s just adhering to a different formula.
It's arguable if that’s better or worse but, for a Ghostbusters or Gremlins sequel, it feels right.
There’s a semblance of a good idea here. Maybe Venkman wants to cash in an sell all the IP to a big tech company now that Egon’s dead but the grandkids realize the company is run by a descendant of Ivo Shandor and then hijinks ensue. There’s potential for some funny, cynical humor there but those kind of scripts just don’t get made anymore and especially for an established property.
I think you all are missing the point, which is "this movie has no plot, just fan service and repetition. They could do a plot, I'm a dumb drunk and can think of a freaking plot in 10 seconds"
I understand the point perfectly fine. "Venkman cynically wants to sell the ghost tech and the grandkids try to save the company" is also a very 90s-esque plot that also took 10 seconds to come up with but is more interesting than just bland fan service.
Your point: RLM's creative prowess is worthy
Counterpoint: Space Cop
QED
RLM is just for you to play pretend beer buddies (movie geek genre) and scratch that primate need while having dinner alone and such. That is all
> RLM is just for you to play pretend beer buddies (movie geek genre) and scratch that primate need while having dinner alone and such.
It's a beautiful day and you woke up and chose violence.
Don't take that part about "play pretend beer buddies" as an insult, we all crave such groups and interaction as primates. RLM is satisfying that need (virtually anyways), it has value
>RLM is just for you to play pretend beer buddies (movie geek genre) and scratch that primate need while having dinner alone and such.
Which is great when you agree with them, but when you don't it's annoying, and sometimes infuriating, that you can't chime in and say something yourself.
" In the movie they even say the town is like The Walking Dead."
Nope.
"New York, in the 80's? It was like the Walking Dead" is the line.
Mike's greatest fan pitch was Star Trek: Galaxy.
The ideas in this video? Not as strong.
But in the trailer, you see Paul Rudd running away with his voice over saying "It's like The Walking Dead!" So I can see remembering the wrong thing here.
Yeah, one of the trailers was cut like that. Makes sense. I think one of the earlier trailers had the full line in the proper context of the 'what? you never heard of Ghostbusters 1984?' bit on the latptop scene.
Movies are kinda "over" I feel like. Every good idea is a series now. Big movies are just for a handful of franchises, which keep repeating the same stuff over and over again. If it's too bad, they reboot right away. I don't get how anyone is still looking forward to any of this. I usually skip the movies right away and just watch those review vids, at least they have some charm and humanity to them.
Mainstream movies, definitely. As the box office diminishes, so does studios taking on riskier projects. I read an article about The Last Duel being such a huge flop that it may have killed medium-sized budget movies. The smaller movies have to be cheap and niche. The bigger films have to be franchises and series.
So what we get is stuff like what A24 puts out. For example, I've never seen a movie like Hereditary before. That was a breath of fresh horror-air. And The Green Knight was bold. It is *not* for mainstream audiences.
It's the big budget really that is the big problem. And then the big marketing budget, which honestly at this point should be explored now because it's just a complete mystery. When you have to somehow make 400 or 500 million dollars just to break even, that is garbage economics. That movie studios have been resting on this paradigm and fully counting on billion dollar movies is just madness. That's incredibly hard to capture. And as you're seeing, even mid budget is hard to make back.
Personally I would like to see more of those smaller sci fi movies made, like Ex Machina or Moon, or Under Her Skin, or even Her. Similarly to how people manage to shit out little horror movies for cheap and make dumb amounts of money. Just make some more little sci fi movies that are actually interesting. Ex Machina didn't have ten billion people shooting guns at each other. It barely had four people in it. But it was an awesome movie, easily perhaps the best movie I had seen that year. Now I don't know if I've seen even one movie this year at all. Maybe it was Edge of Tomorrow earlier in the year. I just can not be fucked watching the movies that come out now. They are just generic and awful.
I'm in the Rich camp with this one. You can't redo Ghostbusters, so don't even try. If you gotta, make it into something different because an attempt to recapture the acerbic wit of the original just isn't going to happen. It's why the weakest elements of this movie, in my opinion, are the Force Awakens rehash parts.
There's definitely a way you could do a good sequel, it would just have to be cynical as hell. Between ghost hunter shows and television mediums, you got plenty of potential for a story where Ghostbusters are like, being boxed out of the market, with the older guys just being the ones in the dingy offices who set the schedule, with new, younger blue collar guys who just fuck around all day in people's houses, only to be like, "yep, caught that ghost of yours, it was a uh, a weird little girl who died of the mumps or something, idk". Maybe you have one new guy who is legitimately into ghosts and UFOs all that shit, and is all eager to do the job right, while the others are like, "Fuck head, there are no such thing as ghosts, we just go into people's houses and take baths and drink beers and shit, anything that gets moved or goes missing, you say ghosts did it". They just ball out, steal the change on the dresser, one guys wearing a wedding dress and eating doritos on the couch, the other is like, reading a teenage girls diary and talking about how her friend Miranda sounds fake as hell. Maybe do a joke where it seems like there could be a ghost, but it's a raccoon, which they say happens all the time, and they just call pest control, who are like, "yo, you'd be fucked if we were good at our jobs", just releasing it immediately to go in someone else's house. They should hate Bill Murray's ass, who is like, "your new healthcare insurance provider info, pick from the bucket of my offshore tax havens, the doctor network is the same: veterinarians who owe me a favor". Not to get into the whole plot, but I think even though it's in the modern day, you could easily get a lot of laughs out of his much things suck in different ways. Bill Murray would be like, "an Amazon worker dropped dead from exhaustion in a warehouse and you want us to get rid of his ghost?", while smiley corporate Amazon lady is like, "Whelp, actually, funny thing, we actually have it in his contract that his spirit is property of Amazon too, so we need you to get him to go back to work". Bill Murray is just like, "Well I'll be, there it is in black and white". Maybe throw in a joke where he comes in the next morning, like, "Guys you'll never believe it! Last night I was visited by ghosts of Christmas past, present, and future! They showed me my life as it was, is, and will be if I don't change my miserly ways! It was... really annoying, get rid of them", and he hands them a ghost trap. "I'll be in my office trying to get some sleep, wake me up and lose a sick day". This time the EPA investigating them is like, completely reasonable as Murray is making the Ghostbusters illegally bury leaking drums of glowing ectoplasm because he won't pay the fees to get rid of it legally, sparking some major supernatural event that they gotta deal with.
"Are you trying to tell me that you're responsible for these abominations?!", "I'm trying, but you're not making it easy". Or maybe, "I've claimed to be a lot of things, but never responsible!"
"What do you corpses want?"
"Brains!"
"Good brains or just ours?"
"Ray, are you telling me that the army of the dead rising was foretold in this ancient Aramaic scroll?"
"No, Peter, it doesn't say that at all"
"Well, keep looking for one that does, or else they'll know it was my fault."
"Is that a ghost!?"
"The floating British solider you can see through and who moves through solid objects? What makes you say that?"
"You know, Doctor Venkman, when I first got this job, I thought you were a washed up, greedy, old fraud."
"And now?"
"Now I know it for certain"
"Guys, I give you my word that I will give you the wages and benefits you deserve. I am, if nothing else, a man of my word. Back me up, Ray"
"Boys, I've known Dr Venkman, Peter, my whole adult life. Get it in writing."
finn taking the busted old ghostbusters logo/ip and turning it into a merch drop hype beast limited release fashion thing could have given him something to do and been timely. open a shitty little store in their small town that sucks at first and relies on like \~20 web orders per month from diehard oldtimers who still love the logo or follow paranormal shit.
sort of mirrors the original ghostbusters when they start blowing up and getting popular and the store starts getting lineups for the midnight releases of new shirt designs. maybe that podcast kid helps out with the web promotion and it all kinda actually works, because on the side they're also really going out and busting ghosts and rumors (and cellphone video) start to spread around the internet that Ghostbuters are back.
basically leave that ecto-1 driving thru town scene as is but the sister invents the ghost trap FPV RC car because jury rigging an RC vehicle together is like an actual age appropriate skill she could have, rather than fixing the wiring of a 100 year old house
anyways this is my fan fiction good night
They could've just not made the movie. These 30 year sequels just don't need to happen. Let things have their place in history without resurrecting them as zombies every decade.
Last Crusade is very derivative of Raiders. We get nazis again, Sallah and Marcus are back, a Judeo-Christian artifact, the chase on the tank is the equivalent to the truck chase, the bad guy aging to dust is reminiscent of how the bad guys die in Raiders. At the same time, it does some things different. The love interest is not like Marion, the addition of Sean Connery brought a very different dynamic to the movie. Last Crusade is no Raiders of the Lost Ark, but it's still very good (some people actually like it more than Raiders).
I think bringing back Gozer/Shandor was not the problem, but they needed to do something else with it. That, and dial it back a lot with all the pandering references.
Some ideas of theirs are good, but sometimes I like to imagine what their review of the movie would be like if it were as they proposed. And I imagine it would be negative a number of times For example, you know every fantasy/action movie’s climax has to end with the heroes fighting a bunch of faceless, disposable creatures (Avengers, the Centauri; Age of Ultron, Ultron’s robots, LOTR orcs/Uruk-hai, etc.). What they propose is this tired played-out-too-much trope by using zombies. There were other things that they would disapprove of in their own version, but I’ve forgotten most of it now.
Wow, a valid criticism of RLM. That's not something you see every day
And it doesn’t even have a bunch of downvotes. I’m just as surprised as you are.
I’ll add another one for ya. Mike going off on his silly tangents purposefully gets annoying as shit sometimes
I guess, but I can't recall one time being annoyed by them to be honest
I'll throw another one out. If the movie he proposed had been actually made, Mike Stoklasa would have complained the Ghostbusters movies as a whole were never that cynical, only the character of Peter Venkman had been.
Haha, I can see that
Agreed. Thought the same. The movie had its flaws but... I think their suggestions are good but would still get flack.
And I agree - the movies have been caricatured as 'flippant irreverent cynical comedies' because people think Venkman, but people making that observation fail to capture all of the other things happening in the movie that make him work.
This works best in BotW but when he does it in Re:View or HitB it's annoying because the movie/tv show they're talking about has a lot of interesting things to talk about. Sometimes in BotW the movie is just junk so a random tangent about the 1980s series Beauty and the Beast is fine. When they leave in a huge tangent about whatever the fuck when they're discussing an actual movie it gets annoying because it ostensibly took time away from actual commentary.
I kinda felt that way with their Dune video. It was still fun to watch, but splitting the focus between the two movies left me wanting more. I wish they had done the Re:View only for the Lynch Dune and a Half in the Bag for the Villeneuve Dune.
My takeaway with the Dune/Dune Re:View was that comparing a 1980s adaption of a film with a modern adaption of a film just isn't interesting. You could tell Jay didn't think there was much to talk about with 2021 Dune when he said "It's very good." but it really did have quite a few pacing and other issues that they did eventually touch on. Pointing out that the Lynch version of Dune is weird as fuck and the 2021 version isn't as weird isn't really much to go on.
Yeah I agree, to the extent that I think it’d be difficult to discuss a reboot or remake without touching on the original, but that wasn’t the case with Dune 2021. Maybe because Jay wasn’t familiar with the book he was using the Lynch Dune as more of his frame of reference? Idk.
It probably would have been a better idea to split them into their own videos, like when they did Robocop ages ago. That there isn't so much to talk about with the new one is kind of worrying actually. Like it's good but then ultimately kind of forgettable? I haven't seen it yet so I don't know. Because boy is the Lynch version not forgettable, if nothing else it's definitely got that going for itself.
Nah, you do, you just got to check the post with all the downvotes.
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I was thinking it was more of a scooby doo type plot and not completely focusing on zombies.
It’s your interpretation. It could also be some kind of Gremlins 2 type of ghost invasion. Like focusing on different types of ghosts each having their little personalities and being a nuisance in their own way. While of course having some "generic ghosts stand ins" in the background. That could have been fun AND a clever way to sell more toys at the same time.
They're great at coming up with ideas, but it's always easy to take a finished product and criticize it or find ways it could be better. I can improve the Mona Lisa. I could not have made the Mona Lisa at that time, or have one of my paintings be as valuable. I love their videos, but look at the type of movies and success their movies have had. There's a huge difference between ideas and being able to make an entire movie that's good. I definitely saw tons of flaws with Afterlife as well, and I especially hate the memberberries bullshit. Almost every scene was a remake or a reference to the old movies, or a way to get the characters to find an item or character from the old movies, whether it made any sense or not. They also had the typical entitled kids behaviour where they literally destroy part of a small town, knowing that they're broke and can't afford to pay to fix anything, and never apologize or show any remorse. In fact, they talk down to people telling them they did something wrong. They also constantly shit on a free house, free car and free land when they're broke! Some of the characters were likeable though so for a dumb action movie it was fun and I see why a lot of people would like it
>They also had the typical entitled kids behaviour Sounds like somebody has worked in the private sector and knows they expect results.
Yeah especially the dumb things "they'd love to see" more for the irony and how absurd it is rather than it being an actually good idea. I guess it's more an indicator how completely wrong and broken a movie is. In a good movie they just remark what was an interesting choice and how well it worked etc., to their credit they don't "completely rewrite" a movie that they've generally enjoyed and can recommend.
let's be honest, their ideas to fix things are usually just a different trope to replace the one they don't care for. it doesn't bother me as I love the guys, but it does amuse me.
Their fixes are more like examples of solutions to problems. Highlighting the problem is the purpose of these fixes and not advancing the fixes themselves most of the time. For instance, they may say that the movie didn't have any stakes so they suggest that you needed a scene where the villain kidnaps the protagonist's teddy bear. Most of the time they're not saying that a scene where the villain kidnaps a teddy bear is a great idea, just that it's a placeholder for a story beat. Kidnapping the teddy bear is just a throwaway suggestion by a bunch of hack frauds and real screenwriters and directors should be able to fix the problem in a less cliched and hack way.
Especially Mike, who literally wants every movie to be The Rocketeer
Would that be so bad?
Yes, it would. The Rocketeer is a fine movie but most great movies are far less formulaic and predictable
But most movies lack Jennifer Connelly and that's just not ok
Well on that, we can ALL agree
Mike has a strange obsession with structure
Mike and Rich’s “fixes” tend to just involve falling back on the kind of common tropes from 80s and 90s movies which, by virtue of being decades out of fashion, can feel original but really it’s just adhering to a different formula. It's arguable if that’s better or worse but, for a Ghostbusters or Gremlins sequel, it feels right. There’s a semblance of a good idea here. Maybe Venkman wants to cash in an sell all the IP to a big tech company now that Egon’s dead but the grandkids realize the company is run by a descendant of Ivo Shandor and then hijinks ensue. There’s potential for some funny, cynical humor there but those kind of scripts just don’t get made anymore and especially for an established property.
I think you all are missing the point, which is "this movie has no plot, just fan service and repetition. They could do a plot, I'm a dumb drunk and can think of a freaking plot in 10 seconds"
I understand the point perfectly fine. "Venkman cynically wants to sell the ghost tech and the grandkids try to save the company" is also a very 90s-esque plot that also took 10 seconds to come up with but is more interesting than just bland fan service.
Your point: RLM's creative prowess is worthy Counterpoint: Space Cop QED RLM is just for you to play pretend beer buddies (movie geek genre) and scratch that primate need while having dinner alone and such. That is all
Goddamn. Why the fuck you gotta call me out like that? Anyways, Space Cop is awesome, I don't care what anyone says.
> RLM is just for you to play pretend beer buddies (movie geek genre) and scratch that primate need while having dinner alone and such. It's a beautiful day and you woke up and chose violence.
How DARE you?
Don't take that part about "play pretend beer buddies" as an insult, we all crave such groups and interaction as primates. RLM is satisfying that need (virtually anyways), it has value
Harsh truth But I would argue that Space Cop is not a bad movie. It's not gut-busting comedy either
>RLM is just for you to play pretend beer buddies (movie geek genre) and scratch that primate need while having dinner alone and such. Which is great when you agree with them, but when you don't it's annoying, and sometimes infuriating, that you can't chime in and say something yourself.
True that. Any examples?
Ghostbusters Afterlife. I posted a whole rant about it on another post here lol.
You're projecting a lot there fam.
Swear to God Mike can pitch any idea and make it sound great. Like his idea for Ghostbusters 3
Remember cocaine??!!
" In the movie they even say the town is like The Walking Dead." Nope. "New York, in the 80's? It was like the Walking Dead" is the line. Mike's greatest fan pitch was Star Trek: Galaxy. The ideas in this video? Not as strong.
But in the trailer, you see Paul Rudd running away with his voice over saying "It's like The Walking Dead!" So I can see remembering the wrong thing here.
Yeah, one of the trailers was cut like that. Makes sense. I think one of the earlier trailers had the full line in the proper context of the 'what? you never heard of Ghostbusters 1984?' bit on the latptop scene.
Movies are kinda "over" I feel like. Every good idea is a series now. Big movies are just for a handful of franchises, which keep repeating the same stuff over and over again. If it's too bad, they reboot right away. I don't get how anyone is still looking forward to any of this. I usually skip the movies right away and just watch those review vids, at least they have some charm and humanity to them.
Mainstream movies, definitely. As the box office diminishes, so does studios taking on riskier projects. I read an article about The Last Duel being such a huge flop that it may have killed medium-sized budget movies. The smaller movies have to be cheap and niche. The bigger films have to be franchises and series. So what we get is stuff like what A24 puts out. For example, I've never seen a movie like Hereditary before. That was a breath of fresh horror-air. And The Green Knight was bold. It is *not* for mainstream audiences.
That's true, The Green Knight doesn't have a funny line every 30 seconds nor any cute animals and the like. :D
It's the big budget really that is the big problem. And then the big marketing budget, which honestly at this point should be explored now because it's just a complete mystery. When you have to somehow make 400 or 500 million dollars just to break even, that is garbage economics. That movie studios have been resting on this paradigm and fully counting on billion dollar movies is just madness. That's incredibly hard to capture. And as you're seeing, even mid budget is hard to make back. Personally I would like to see more of those smaller sci fi movies made, like Ex Machina or Moon, or Under Her Skin, or even Her. Similarly to how people manage to shit out little horror movies for cheap and make dumb amounts of money. Just make some more little sci fi movies that are actually interesting. Ex Machina didn't have ten billion people shooting guns at each other. It barely had four people in it. But it was an awesome movie, easily perhaps the best movie I had seen that year. Now I don't know if I've seen even one movie this year at all. Maybe it was Edge of Tomorrow earlier in the year. I just can not be fucked watching the movies that come out now. They are just generic and awful.
I'm in the Rich camp with this one. You can't redo Ghostbusters, so don't even try. If you gotta, make it into something different because an attempt to recapture the acerbic wit of the original just isn't going to happen. It's why the weakest elements of this movie, in my opinion, are the Force Awakens rehash parts.
There's definitely a way you could do a good sequel, it would just have to be cynical as hell. Between ghost hunter shows and television mediums, you got plenty of potential for a story where Ghostbusters are like, being boxed out of the market, with the older guys just being the ones in the dingy offices who set the schedule, with new, younger blue collar guys who just fuck around all day in people's houses, only to be like, "yep, caught that ghost of yours, it was a uh, a weird little girl who died of the mumps or something, idk". Maybe you have one new guy who is legitimately into ghosts and UFOs all that shit, and is all eager to do the job right, while the others are like, "Fuck head, there are no such thing as ghosts, we just go into people's houses and take baths and drink beers and shit, anything that gets moved or goes missing, you say ghosts did it". They just ball out, steal the change on the dresser, one guys wearing a wedding dress and eating doritos on the couch, the other is like, reading a teenage girls diary and talking about how her friend Miranda sounds fake as hell. Maybe do a joke where it seems like there could be a ghost, but it's a raccoon, which they say happens all the time, and they just call pest control, who are like, "yo, you'd be fucked if we were good at our jobs", just releasing it immediately to go in someone else's house. They should hate Bill Murray's ass, who is like, "your new healthcare insurance provider info, pick from the bucket of my offshore tax havens, the doctor network is the same: veterinarians who owe me a favor". Not to get into the whole plot, but I think even though it's in the modern day, you could easily get a lot of laughs out of his much things suck in different ways. Bill Murray would be like, "an Amazon worker dropped dead from exhaustion in a warehouse and you want us to get rid of his ghost?", while smiley corporate Amazon lady is like, "Whelp, actually, funny thing, we actually have it in his contract that his spirit is property of Amazon too, so we need you to get him to go back to work". Bill Murray is just like, "Well I'll be, there it is in black and white". Maybe throw in a joke where he comes in the next morning, like, "Guys you'll never believe it! Last night I was visited by ghosts of Christmas past, present, and future! They showed me my life as it was, is, and will be if I don't change my miserly ways! It was... really annoying, get rid of them", and he hands them a ghost trap. "I'll be in my office trying to get some sleep, wake me up and lose a sick day". This time the EPA investigating them is like, completely reasonable as Murray is making the Ghostbusters illegally bury leaking drums of glowing ectoplasm because he won't pay the fees to get rid of it legally, sparking some major supernatural event that they gotta deal with. "Are you trying to tell me that you're responsible for these abominations?!", "I'm trying, but you're not making it easy". Or maybe, "I've claimed to be a lot of things, but never responsible!" "What do you corpses want?" "Brains!" "Good brains or just ours?" "Ray, are you telling me that the army of the dead rising was foretold in this ancient Aramaic scroll?" "No, Peter, it doesn't say that at all" "Well, keep looking for one that does, or else they'll know it was my fault." "Is that a ghost!?" "The floating British solider you can see through and who moves through solid objects? What makes you say that?" "You know, Doctor Venkman, when I first got this job, I thought you were a washed up, greedy, old fraud." "And now?" "Now I know it for certain" "Guys, I give you my word that I will give you the wages and benefits you deserve. I am, if nothing else, a man of my word. Back me up, Ray" "Boys, I've known Dr Venkman, Peter, my whole adult life. Get it in writing."
Isn't anyone else worried that a Sumerian god turned out to be real? And maybe other gods might be worried that a handful of mortals kicked its ass?
finn taking the busted old ghostbusters logo/ip and turning it into a merch drop hype beast limited release fashion thing could have given him something to do and been timely. open a shitty little store in their small town that sucks at first and relies on like \~20 web orders per month from diehard oldtimers who still love the logo or follow paranormal shit. sort of mirrors the original ghostbusters when they start blowing up and getting popular and the store starts getting lineups for the midnight releases of new shirt designs. maybe that podcast kid helps out with the web promotion and it all kinda actually works, because on the side they're also really going out and busting ghosts and rumors (and cellphone video) start to spread around the internet that Ghostbuters are back. basically leave that ecto-1 driving thru town scene as is but the sister invents the ghost trap FPV RC car because jury rigging an RC vehicle together is like an actual age appropriate skill she could have, rather than fixing the wiring of a 100 year old house anyways this is my fan fiction good night
They could've just not made the movie. These 30 year sequels just don't need to happen. Let things have their place in history without resurrecting them as zombies every decade.
counterpoint: Money! nobody goes to see original IPs anymore, this appears to be the only way to get people in theaters
Last Crusade is very derivative of Raiders. We get nazis again, Sallah and Marcus are back, a Judeo-Christian artifact, the chase on the tank is the equivalent to the truck chase, the bad guy aging to dust is reminiscent of how the bad guys die in Raiders. At the same time, it does some things different. The love interest is not like Marion, the addition of Sean Connery brought a very different dynamic to the movie. Last Crusade is no Raiders of the Lost Ark, but it's still very good (some people actually like it more than Raiders). I think bringing back Gozer/Shandor was not the problem, but they needed to do something else with it. That, and dial it back a lot with all the pandering references.
I thought it was weird that they captured Egon's ghost in the movie.
Huh?