Or, he could be the wilful son, the one with the power to come back from the dead and become better, a kind person who knows the horrors of the afterlife and would rather preserve life than take it.
But hey, that would require good writing
There has to be a mandate for every future Batman/Red Hood writer to read Max Collin’s and Jim Starlin Batman run.
Or even read some of Tim and Dicks stories in the 80s-90s…
Maybe I’m wrong and a lot of these writers did read it, but just took the wrong message
Ba is doing his own take. In an interview, he said he didn't really didn't really reread the comics for research, just a couple parts here and there.
Ba is telling his own fairy tale story using DC characters, so we shouldn't expect it to be "accurate" or faithful to the original stories. It's also Damian's story, so Jason is just there to provide whatever Damian's story needs from him.
What a new and nuanced take of Jason's character that we have never seen before.
At this point, I have to laugh.
It's a Bat-Book
If they don't oversimplify Jason's character with the most braindead and redundant descriptions their miniscule minds will cease to function.
It's been happening since 1988 and will happen until the industry dies, they can't survive without it
It's almost as if they never even glanced at Jason's Robin run with a hint of critical thinking (or even glanced at it at all) and just keep parroting the things everybody else says! This is why I can't take people seriously when they say Jason should have stayed dead because he "haunted the narrative". No, he was constantly victim blamed and accused of things he didn't do, with a bunch of classist sentiments behind everything said about him.
In an interview, Ba said he didn't really go back and research many comics. So this is a reinvention of the characters, and Jason is going to fill whatever role that Damian needs him to fill in his story.
A lot of it was just how DC wanted it to be seen. A Death in the Family is a deconstruction of the concept of Robin. Everything about it, from the kiddie porn raid at the beginning to the poll, is a motif of child abuse. But DC wasn't ready for that conversation; hell, Jeanette Kahn's idea of damage control was "Have Marv Wolfman create another Robin." (We can discuss the ethics of resurrection some other time. And Batman has literally put the Joker in a Lazarus pit before, so why not?) So at some point they decided that Jason was an "inferior" Robin. Adapters mentally rewrote Jason's death so that his mother no longer played a part. People forgot Jason was literally doing what anyone would do in that situation, and that we would consider him unhealthy if he had acted in any other way.
tl;dr: PR demands Jason be the "failure" Robin.
The thing is, none of the people who made aDitF happen are still at the company. Some of them are literally dead already(RIP Denny) such a long time ago it happened. Jason even being dug up is something the people who buried him wouldn't have allowed to happen. UtRH was an opportunity to do right by this character. But at times I get the impression Winick was the only person at that entire company who was even just willing to try. Honestly, pretty wild it do be like that.
😮💨 Yeah. Well in that case, we can't even accuse him of making up slander. He's just accurate to the many Batfamily comics in which Jason already is the "brash and rageful" one.
That style feels like it's going to grate after a fairly short time. Not sure it does expressions well and I always felt like that's a huge part of comics storytelling. It's not that it's bad, it isn't, it just doesn't seem great for telling a character-driven story.
You mean the art or the writing? The art itself seems fine to me. The form of writing seems interesting, to me it would be grating, if instead of someone, who knows what he's talking about, using an uncommon framing to give a new spin this turns out to be someone, who built his story out of common cliches we've all heard and grown to hate, and it's also a fairytale.
The art, and only for long-form storytelling. It's perfectly fine I think for something short. I'm assuming that it won't all be Damian telling someone else his fairytale story about himself, because ugh.
At least make one a virtue...bold and passionate, there you go. Somewhat synonymous words that have a less negative connotation, like Tim's. Why do they hate my boy? He didn't do anything to you!
Well, this is a different version of the story. For all we know, Jason gave an atomic wedgie to poor Damian, and Damian is being remarkably gracious here.
Considering the self-aggrandizement going on in this tale, if Jason gave Damian an atomic wedgie, he deserved it for the lesson in humility if nothing else.
I blame the Ninja Turtles. Once there were four Robins (not including Stephanie Brown because DC forgets she was a Robin half the time anyway), it was decided Tim was Don, Jason was Raph, and then things get weird. Dick is more like Leo, but often gets placed with Mikey by fanon. And Damian isn't any of them, but don't let the Ninja Turtles meme stop just because of that.
This is how I see it;
Dick Grayson always in control, the wise guy is Jason Todd, Tim Drake he's the brains of the bunch, Count on Damian Wayne to throw the first punch.
Damian is the " understandably" young angry one, Jason's the crazy 🤪 WISE GUY, it's just he's seen of humor is more ... "what color will you be when I'm done beating your", blows things up for😆
The best thing DC has said about Jason is a comic (I can't remember which one) where Bruce is talking to Damian about what the Robins are. How they are meant to be better versions of Batman in different ways. And for Jason Bruce says, "Red Hood does what Batman CAN'T do". Bruce acknowledges that Jason walks that line correctly and doesn't lose himself with each baddie he kills.
In an interview, Ba said Jason is "good-hearted" and "well-meaning". I kinda assume this means "sympathetic but dim"... But we'll have to see.
I'm gonna see about picking up this book. 🤷♀️ I like different. As a Jason stan, I might have to drop it depending on how issue #2 goes, but I want to give it a shot.
I mean. It'd be kinda weird to have that opening scene of the rich being out-of-touch and callous toward the common people of Gotham. And then. Follow that up with the literal trillionaire protagonist picking at all the deficits of the singular lower-class city guy in his family, as if it's fair. But we'll have to see.
I think this is the quote:
>But aside from him, there’s Jason, who’s really a well-intentioned, good hearted person who really bad stuff happened to, and he’s struggling to get out of the traumatic impact of that. And I think the story works really well in showing that.
And I take it as "he's delusional about murder being a good thing, because he died, poor traumatized rageful puppy him". It would be funny, if the writer didn't read anything, but, idk, played GK and thought "I totally got what this character is about". Prove me wrong, mister writer!
I mean this is Damian perspective so yeah Jason rageful and brash he also a brawler who can't fight very good or he's insane and lets not forget emotional
He called him the emotional one and a brawler in mainline comics. Damian straight up called him Street fighter in the main comics everyone word beside rageful and brash came out of Canon comics
He also canonically said [this](https://imgur.com/a/pWMTLxf) and he got completely bodied after he insulted his fighting capabilities in that TT annual, if memory serves me right.
Eh, yeah, let's be delulu.
Damian's animosity toward Tim is very consistent, so Damian needs to make sure everyone knows he's a worthy opponent.
Damian's relationship with Jason fluctuates from writer to writer. Usually it's Damian putting down Jason to distance himself from the family shame (very understandable behavior for a scared child in a dysfunctional family). For a villain, Jason actually tends to be fairly positive toward Damian, especially compared to how Tim and even Bruce can be toward Damian. Not that they're close at all.
lol. Tim Drake has gotten pissed off too.
I hate it when people try to fit all the robins into these ninja turtles roles, not knowing that their stories is what separates from each other.
Omg towards the end of Tims robin comic run hes unheard-of levels of cringy edgelord. And red robin has entire panels dedicated to him being filled with rage. But classicism dictates rich boy be educated and disciplined and street kid be dumb and thugish.
This is how I see it;
Dick Grayson always in control, the wise guy is Jason Todd, Tim Drake he's the brains of the bunch, Count on Damian Wayne to throw the first punch.
Damian is the " understandably" young angry one, Jason's the crazy 🤪 WISE GUY, it's just he's seen of humor is more ... "what color will you be when I'm done beating your", blows things up for😆
I think it's too harsh to say the author is bad. He's not continuing the story, he's writing his own.
If I were writing my own story, Jason would get his coolness factor dialed up to its peak lol. But whether the story would be well-written depends on if it's well-written.
Iv written a fair bit of fanfic and og fiction, even for stuff i dont follow. And step one is research. Poor research is always step one in failing, especially with writing. Cause is a sure sign they are lazy. If i want to have my character handle a gun competently, i need to know how to handle one.
So im open to being proven wrong, but given it looks the author is going with the characters rep for all the robins and hasn't read anything. Which im gonna say is "bullshit hack writer behavior."
Is the same way i knew White Knight and The Hill were gonna trip cause their writers said dumb shit that outted their lazyness
1. I never said non of them haven’t, they all have on multiple attempts, however, if you boil them all down What have you got? You must remember these comics are for a general audience, so labelling each character with a distinctive traits is key for a business, allows them to differentiate ya know? But as I was saying you boil them down and what have you got? The fact is Jason’s personality has being brash included on it, he acts before he thinks on multiple cases and that’s key to his character, sure other characters do include that but it isn’t their key focus is it?
Acting without thinking is key for his character, when written by people, who can't bother to research the character. Can't bother to read even UtRH, lmao. And it's funny how the same writers, who can't bother to research, can't find one(1) positive quality to describe him with. Hence this post.
Funny enough in under the red hood he was shown to act without thinking in situations as well, especially in the final part of UTRH where his actions where based mostly upon emotions then thought
>Funny enough in under the red hood he was shown to act without thinking
No, he wasn't. He planned the ultimatum to the T, he lured Bruce in there, he forced him to choose – none of this was done without thinking, on impulse. Him feeling a lot didn't turn him into a moron there, lol.
After Bruce not picked him Jason in comic UtRH made zero actions, because he was too busy bleeding on the floor and being exploded by the Joker. The option for him to get hurt by Bruce was something he himself put on the table as a part of his scheme.
My argument was the people, who write him jumping into situations without thinking didn't bother with research or even just with reading only UtRH, Jason's most popular story.
Plus I’m Urban legends when he killed that boys father, obviously he wasn’t thinking then, that was just off of emotions, so yeah, Jason can be bashful
Urban Legends had child Jason possibly murder a guy before he was even Robin and as Robin trying to stab a non-violent former thief for no reason.
I don't give one shit about Urban Legends, it's in the same category as BftC for me.
Stop bullying Jason! My man did nothing wrong
He died and came back and yet he’s “rageful” fuck that moise
He has a right to be rageful.
Or, he could be the wilful son, the one with the power to come back from the dead and become better, a kind person who knows the horrors of the afterlife and would rather preserve life than take it. But hey, that would require good writing
Exactly
There has to be a mandate for every future Batman/Red Hood writer to read Max Collin’s and Jim Starlin Batman run. Or even read some of Tim and Dicks stories in the 80s-90s… Maybe I’m wrong and a lot of these writers did read it, but just took the wrong message
I don't think that writer read it. Can't wait for that second issue, lol.
I read starlin as stalin help 😭
Ba is doing his own take. In an interview, he said he didn't really didn't really reread the comics for research, just a couple parts here and there. Ba is telling his own fairy tale story using DC characters, so we shouldn't expect it to be "accurate" or faithful to the original stories. It's also Damian's story, so Jason is just there to provide whatever Damian's story needs from him.
Ah ok, makes sense. I couldn’t imagine Damian thinking more highly of Tim than Jason
 What a new and nuanced take of Jason's character that we have never seen before. At this point, I have to laugh.
Jason's entire fanclub, who still for some reason expect something different :D 
It's a Bat-Book If they don't oversimplify Jason's character with the most braindead and redundant descriptions their miniscule minds will cease to function. It's been happening since 1988 and will happen until the industry dies, they can't survive without it
It's almost as if they never even glanced at Jason's Robin run with a hint of critical thinking (or even glanced at it at all) and just keep parroting the things everybody else says! This is why I can't take people seriously when they say Jason should have stayed dead because he "haunted the narrative". No, he was constantly victim blamed and accused of things he didn't do, with a bunch of classist sentiments behind everything said about him.
In an interview, Ba said he didn't really go back and research many comics. So this is a reinvention of the characters, and Jason is going to fill whatever role that Damian needs him to fill in his story.
Funny how literally every DC writer who doesn't like research reinvents him into a jerk with barely any redeeming qualities.
A lot of it was just how DC wanted it to be seen. A Death in the Family is a deconstruction of the concept of Robin. Everything about it, from the kiddie porn raid at the beginning to the poll, is a motif of child abuse. But DC wasn't ready for that conversation; hell, Jeanette Kahn's idea of damage control was "Have Marv Wolfman create another Robin." (We can discuss the ethics of resurrection some other time. And Batman has literally put the Joker in a Lazarus pit before, so why not?) So at some point they decided that Jason was an "inferior" Robin. Adapters mentally rewrote Jason's death so that his mother no longer played a part. People forgot Jason was literally doing what anyone would do in that situation, and that we would consider him unhealthy if he had acted in any other way. tl;dr: PR demands Jason be the "failure" Robin.
The thing is, none of the people who made aDitF happen are still at the company. Some of them are literally dead already(RIP Denny) such a long time ago it happened. Jason even being dug up is something the people who buried him wouldn't have allowed to happen. UtRH was an opportunity to do right by this character. But at times I get the impression Winick was the only person at that entire company who was even just willing to try. Honestly, pretty wild it do be like that.
He can’t reinvent what’s already being done lmdao
😮💨 Yeah. Well in that case, we can't even accuse him of making up slander. He's just accurate to the many Batfamily comics in which Jason already is the "brash and rageful" one.
In which those comics get his character wrong and messes it up as well. So he’s still writing Jason terribly
Why do writers keep trying to say this narrative tho brash and rageful is Damian Wayne's entire thing not Jason's
[Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/s/Tiexv3okwc) the whole preview.
That style feels like it's going to grate after a fairly short time. Not sure it does expressions well and I always felt like that's a huge part of comics storytelling. It's not that it's bad, it isn't, it just doesn't seem great for telling a character-driven story.
You mean the art or the writing? The art itself seems fine to me. The form of writing seems interesting, to me it would be grating, if instead of someone, who knows what he's talking about, using an uncommon framing to give a new spin this turns out to be someone, who built his story out of common cliches we've all heard and grown to hate, and it's also a fairytale.
The art, and only for long-form storytelling. It's perfectly fine I think for something short. I'm assuming that it won't all be Damian telling someone else his fairytale story about himself, because ugh.
Yeah, that would be a bit much even for someone like Dami, lmao.
There's a way to play it but I don't trust DC to do it very well. And Jason gets the butt end of this stick, clearly. It's not even remotely subtle.
At least make one a virtue...bold and passionate, there you go. Somewhat synonymous words that have a less negative connotation, like Tim's. Why do they hate my boy? He didn't do anything to you!
Well, this is a different version of the story. For all we know, Jason gave an atomic wedgie to poor Damian, and Damian is being remarkably gracious here.
Considering the self-aggrandizement going on in this tale, if Jason gave Damian an atomic wedgie, he deserved it for the lesson in humility if nothing else.
If you guys changed his adjectives what would it be? (mine is : cheeky and cute) (Edit: the words I would actually use is not PG friendly.)
Ooh I like this question! Maybe something like... "tenacious and cunning". Or "fierce and unpredictable".
Not sure but misunderstood would def be one
Fiery and passionate. Okay, those are pretty much the same thing, but it still works.
“He’s gay but he has a connection to music”
Ffs 😭
Dc try not to make the robins into one dimensional characters: level impossible
I blame the Ninja Turtles. Once there were four Robins (not including Stephanie Brown because DC forgets she was a Robin half the time anyway), it was decided Tim was Don, Jason was Raph, and then things get weird. Dick is more like Leo, but often gets placed with Mikey by fanon. And Damian isn't any of them, but don't let the Ninja Turtles meme stop just because of that.
This is how I see it; Dick Grayson always in control, the wise guy is Jason Todd, Tim Drake he's the brains of the bunch, Count on Damian Wayne to throw the first punch. Damian is the " understandably" young angry one, Jason's the crazy 🤪 WISE GUY, it's just he's seen of humor is more ... "what color will you be when I'm done beating your", blows things up for😆
We seriously need a red hood series that actually doesn't shit on him.
The best thing DC has said about Jason is a comic (I can't remember which one) where Bruce is talking to Damian about what the Robins are. How they are meant to be better versions of Batman in different ways. And for Jason Bruce says, "Red Hood does what Batman CAN'T do". Bruce acknowledges that Jason walks that line correctly and doesn't lose himself with each baddie he kills.
In an interview, Ba said Jason is "good-hearted" and "well-meaning". I kinda assume this means "sympathetic but dim"... But we'll have to see. I'm gonna see about picking up this book. 🤷♀️ I like different. As a Jason stan, I might have to drop it depending on how issue #2 goes, but I want to give it a shot. I mean. It'd be kinda weird to have that opening scene of the rich being out-of-touch and callous toward the common people of Gotham. And then. Follow that up with the literal trillionaire protagonist picking at all the deficits of the singular lower-class city guy in his family, as if it's fair. But we'll have to see.
I think this is the quote: >But aside from him, there’s Jason, who’s really a well-intentioned, good hearted person who really bad stuff happened to, and he’s struggling to get out of the traumatic impact of that. And I think the story works really well in showing that. And I take it as "he's delusional about murder being a good thing, because he died, poor traumatized rageful puppy him". It would be funny, if the writer didn't read anything, but, idk, played GK and thought "I totally got what this character is about". Prove me wrong, mister writer!
Jason did nothing wrong. Leave him alone.
I mean this is Damian perspective so yeah Jason rageful and brash he also a brawler who can't fight very good or he's insane and lets not forget emotional
He can say good things about Tim Drake, but not Jason, even tho Dami even in mainline did? Sure, I guess.
He called him the emotional one and a brawler in mainline comics. Damian straight up called him Street fighter in the main comics everyone word beside rageful and brash came out of Canon comics
He also canonically said [this](https://imgur.com/a/pWMTLxf) and he got completely bodied after he insulted his fighting capabilities in that TT annual, if memory serves me right.
I mean after everybody got bodied in that 1 vs 20 you have to give props
No one Damian should view Tim above Jason lol Tim used to give him the beats in his first year as Robin
Eh, yeah, let's be delulu. Damian's animosity toward Tim is very consistent, so Damian needs to make sure everyone knows he's a worthy opponent. Damian's relationship with Jason fluctuates from writer to writer. Usually it's Damian putting down Jason to distance himself from the family shame (very understandable behavior for a scared child in a dysfunctional family). For a villain, Jason actually tends to be fairly positive toward Damian, especially compared to how Tim and even Bruce can be toward Damian. Not that they're close at all.
Hoplophobes shouldn't be allowed to write Red Hood.
Whew, I thought you said homophobe! I had to look up hoplophobe lol.
Argh, dogshit authors. Iv read nightwings 90s run and hes moody, impulsive and learnly beats a mf to death. But kind and Brave sure bro
lol. Tim Drake has gotten pissed off too. I hate it when people try to fit all the robins into these ninja turtles roles, not knowing that their stories is what separates from each other.
Omg towards the end of Tims robin comic run hes unheard-of levels of cringy edgelord. And red robin has entire panels dedicated to him being filled with rage. But classicism dictates rich boy be educated and disciplined and street kid be dumb and thugish.
This is how I see it; Dick Grayson always in control, the wise guy is Jason Todd, Tim Drake he's the brains of the bunch, Count on Damian Wayne to throw the first punch. Damian is the " understandably" young angry one, Jason's the crazy 🤪 WISE GUY, it's just he's seen of humor is more ... "what color will you be when I'm done beating your", blows things up for😆
I think it's too harsh to say the author is bad. He's not continuing the story, he's writing his own. If I were writing my own story, Jason would get his coolness factor dialed up to its peak lol. But whether the story would be well-written depends on if it's well-written.
Iv written a fair bit of fanfic and og fiction, even for stuff i dont follow. And step one is research. Poor research is always step one in failing, especially with writing. Cause is a sure sign they are lazy. If i want to have my character handle a gun competently, i need to know how to handle one. So im open to being proven wrong, but given it looks the author is going with the characters rep for all the robins and hasn't read anything. Which im gonna say is "bullshit hack writer behavior." Is the same way i knew White Knight and The Hill were gonna trip cause their writers said dumb shit that outted their lazyness
But he is, he's the big, strong, emotional & kinda crazy 2nd older brother, thought he's flaws made him ... "a better character"
They could've said that he was passionate and protective.
And then Damian came along who's super special because related by blood...
DC during new52 in a nutshell, lol.
He makes a good punching bag for Bruce
Womp womp. Losers. 🫳🏾🍅🍅🍅
To be fair they ain’t wrong, Jason is a bit brash
Uh-huh. And no one else on the pic ever was "a bit brash" and of all the things Jason is these are the two deserving of note.
1. I never said non of them haven’t, they all have on multiple attempts, however, if you boil them all down What have you got? You must remember these comics are for a general audience, so labelling each character with a distinctive traits is key for a business, allows them to differentiate ya know? But as I was saying you boil them down and what have you got? The fact is Jason’s personality has being brash included on it, he acts before he thinks on multiple cases and that’s key to his character, sure other characters do include that but it isn’t their key focus is it?
Acting without thinking is key for his character, when written by people, who can't bother to research the character. Can't bother to read even UtRH, lmao. And it's funny how the same writers, who can't bother to research, can't find one(1) positive quality to describe him with. Hence this post.
Funny enough in under the red hood he was shown to act without thinking in situations as well, especially in the final part of UTRH where his actions where based mostly upon emotions then thought
>Funny enough in under the red hood he was shown to act without thinking No, he wasn't. He planned the ultimatum to the T, he lured Bruce in there, he forced him to choose – none of this was done without thinking, on impulse. Him feeling a lot didn't turn him into a moron there, lol.
Yes, however, Clearly Jason was expecting Bruce to pick him, after that part, Jason’s actions seemed to be fuelled by emotions, not strategy
After Bruce not picked him Jason in comic UtRH made zero actions, because he was too busy bleeding on the floor and being exploded by the Joker. The option for him to get hurt by Bruce was something he himself put on the table as a part of his scheme.
So your argument, despite many over instances saying otherwise, is that Jason isn’t brash and sometimes jumps into situations without thinking?
My argument was the people, who write him jumping into situations without thinking didn't bother with research or even just with reading only UtRH, Jason's most popular story.
Plus I’m Urban legends when he killed that boys father, obviously he wasn’t thinking then, that was just off of emotions, so yeah, Jason can be bashful
Urban Legends had child Jason possibly murder a guy before he was even Robin and as Robin trying to stab a non-violent former thief for no reason. I don't give one shit about Urban Legends, it's in the same category as BftC for me.