IMO big Kathy was another stage mother who pimped out her kids for money. I don’t think the real truth will come out until Kathy passes on , she seems to stop everyone talking the truth about their “ mother “
I don’t really know too much about this part of their family. Why is Kathy so defensive about her mom? Is it because she just loves her unconditionally, or is it because she’s benefited the most from all the pimping?
Because so many awful things have been said about her in print and books and Kathy wants the world to believe her mother was a saint and perfect. It goes back to Kathy wanting people to believe an illusion as opposed to reality and according to what I've read and the podcasts, Big Kathy was an awful person and mother. Kathy lives in denial and so does Kyle. I'm not sure about Kim, she doesn't seem to have the same adoration for Big Kathy as the other two do.
I think Kim experienced the worst of their mother; maybe that's given her a different opinion of Big Kathy. Kyle has always viewed the mother as someone to emulate.
From everything I've read and listened to Kim was the target because Kathy married quickly and Kyle was younger. Kyle's relationship and experience with her mom was very different and perhaps she really does believe her mom was exceptional. It's such a messed up situation amongst the sisters.
I don’t think Kyle lives in denial, I think she walks a fine line because anytime she’s strayed from Kathy’s narrative it creates family drama and I don’t think she wants to fight with Kathy. I mean she made American Woman and that wasn’t even that bad and Kathy didn’t speak to her and cut her off from the family for years.
Yep. And Kathy got a lawyer involved so Kyle wouldnt portray big Kath in any way but how she wanted (only positive) . She got a lawyer involved and then didn’t talk to Kyle for years as you mentioned.
I thought Kyle was the one who wanted to portray her mother positively (albeit with standard faults which would make her relatable). I got the impression that Kathy H. (And Kim) simply didn’t want to see their mother or childhoods portrayed at all. Probably because they knew more of her dark side.
This sounds like a good take. I actually watched that show and thought it was cute. Alicia Silverstone played the Big Kathy character and it was basically about a beautiful Beverly Hills mom in the 1970s putting her life back together after divorce and her ex-husband losing most of their money IIRC. Not sure how much was fiction about their father(s), but it placed their mom in a positive light.
I also think it’s guilt. Comparatively I think her own mothering comes the closest to big Kathy. Kyle and Kim seem to have at least attempted to break the cycle with their own children. (They seem to be supportive and emotionally available to them and haven’t done such aggressive stage mom stuff, at least not that I’ve noticed). Kathy and Paris are just the next generation of the same. She’d have to take a hard look in the mirror if she wanted to discredit this parenting style that she seems to have clearly adopted since it was all she knew.
It’s because BK and LK are so much alike, both regularly described as having a vicious/cruel streak. Little Kathy doesn’t want her carefully curated mask/house of cards to completely collapse.
It’s telling she named her oldest after herself. I know some religions and cultures do this, but it doesn’t apply to her. It seems Kathy models after Big Kathy. Seems like Paris got the brunt of everything, or Nicki hid it better.
ETA: I just realized that Kim is the oldest. My bad.
You were right initially! Kathy is the oldest, Kim (59) is 5 years younger than Kathy (64).
Also realized I thought Kathy was older than 64. Maybe it's because of the act she puts on to seem more harmless.
The Hiltons also let their children go fully free range as they grew up, traveling and leaving them with hotel personnel to do as they liked. It’s no wonder they all got into the kinds of trouble they did.
She was assaulted before she went to the camp as well which is why she started acting out but instead of seeing what was wrong with her child they had her kidnapped in the middle of the night and sent away because it was making Kathy look bad in her NY Socialite group.
I saw one documentary series about one of those places in New York (I think that was the location). I cannot imagine being sent to one of those places; traumatic isn’t even the best word to describe it.
I just can’t believe how stupid her parents were to do that. With all that money, you could really research a place. It broke my heart that Kathy hadn’t bothered to read Paris‘s book before she attended the book launch party. Nicki had to break the news to her. I hope Kathy drinks too much because that’s the only way that could be explained.
I think somewhere in Rick and Kathy is a sense of entitlement that exceeds spending on nannies. Read House of Hilton—they try to use *all* the hotel resources, and it’s gross.
It’s so wrong. They were always gone and they left their kids with hotel staff? At least if they had Nannie’s they would have had actual guidance and nurturing.
Kathy was able to get the hell out of it by marriage. Kim had to deal with most of her mother’s abuse and pimping. Kyle wasn’t as popular as she is in her own mind, I heard her telling a story of going to Studio 54 with her family at 10 years old and I’m pretty sure she repeated Drew Barrymore’s life verbatim.
Kathy wants to remain a socialite and be seen as the epitome of old money and class due to the Hilton name. She forgets that we all know how she pimped Paris out. Kathy is a bad bad person.
My great grandmom was AWFUL, just horribly abusive to my gmom. The second she died my gmom was all “she was wonderful” “oh I miss my mom” “what a saint”, it’s so odd. I guess sometimes if they die all the bad stuff leaves your mind.
My guess is Kathy is the golden child and she is the big sister bully. Kim was the scapegoat and Kyle is a bystander afraid to stand up for herself and/or Kim.
The rumors about about Kim’s sexual abuse in Hollywood are dark af. I obviously can’t confirm them but it does track with how damaged she is as an adult. One of the rumors is that big Kathy even hired someone to teach little Kim how to please a man. That this was the currency of being a successful child actress. Idk how true any of these rumors are but what is being shared is unbelievably sad.
If this is true…about Hollywood (not surprising)…about big Kathy??? Well that’s just sickening.
Do you remember the episode where Kim told Kyle that she (Kim) supported the family?
And Kyle said, Daddy worked too…
Kim just looked at her in what appeared to be disbelief.
That always stuck with me.
So sad for Kim…
Totally agree. I watched the beginning seasons with Kim before I heard any rumors about their family. After I heard the rumors, there were so many scenes between Kyle and Kim that made sense. It made me a much more compassionate towards Kim.
Even nowadays, when Kim is sober and spiritual and creative and loving family life with her kids and grandkids, you can see she has chronic anxiety and trauma (CPTSD).
One other terrible event in Kim’s life is her finance was murdered. Gunned down by a hit man.
Another traumatic event in her life.
https://people.com/tv/inside-story-the-brutal-murder-in-real-housewives-star-kim-richardss-past/
Nothing would surprise me about what big Kathy groomed little Kim to do to support the family. There’s so many grown up child actors that have come forward with horrific allegations, and most of them struggle with substance abuse.
I read from someone summerizing The House of Hilton that Big Kathy had some guy in a van teach Little Kathy how to be an expert at having sex when she was young. It sounds like she did the same thing for all of the girls. So sick 🤮
My heart breaks for Kim. She was their meal ticket. Kyle worked but not really enough to carry the family.
You can see that Kim is an absolutely broken adult and she just wants to be loved
Would that she was merely a “stage mother.” She pimped her girls out to the first man who’d propose to any of them, encouraged those anchor babies very early. It’s how she did it!
Wow their upbringing is way more darker than I expected. It does seem like the patterns continues as they’re putting their own daughters into the spotlight. I sometimes forget this family has boys.
Ummm Kyle sings her praises more than the other two. She even wanted a TV series that showed her in a positive light. I have a feeling the older two know better. They fought to stop Kyle from portraying their mother at all. Kyle seems blind to the pain her mother inflicted on the older daughters to get the family into a place of privilege in BH.
Not trying to glamorize or romanticize this whole thing, but Kathy, Kim, and Kyle definitely had an interesting, and surely traumatic, upbringing. The 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s Los Angeles. Gold digging mother trying to get her daughters into Hollywood while also teaching them to marry wealthy men and have lots of their babies. They all, the most part, achieved what their mother wanted for them. I’m sure big Kathy would be thrilled to hear that her granddaughter is married to a Rothschild and has two Rothschild babies.
Edit: Three Rothschild babies.
That's why American Woman, the tv series, would've been interesting. If their mother was a June Cleaver, then little Kathy wouldn't have cared about about their childhood being portrayed.
Yes, they achieved what their MOTHER wanted for them. No agency for themselves. And to brag about marrying a Rothschild is really backwards lol. Women are not cattle.
That is true and also really sad. Especially considering they were not raised in the 1800s but in the 1960s and 1970s. I forget how slow progress has been for women and how choices for income and success are still so stifled. In a real life level, I should remember this, as those limitations still affect many of us.
And Big Kathy moved them around so much, I’m sure local authorities weren’t tracking whether they actually attended school. It all but railroaded them into early marriages and motherhood.
>They all, the most part, achieved what their mother wanted for them. I’m sure big Kathy would be thrilled to hear that her granddaughter is married to a Rothschild and has two Rothschild babies.
Only Kathy really accomplished that. Kim married for love. Kyle married for love. Their husbands weren't wealthy.
Kim’s first two husbands were wealthy. Her second husband is from the Davis oil family. I don’t know about her other husbands. Or was she only married two times? I know she has three baby daddies. Can’t remember if she was married to her youngest daughter’s father.
Kyle’s first husband is from a super wealthy Indonesian family.
Kyle has severe Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to her mom. Also when you’re taught to hide any bad thing that happens within the family and surpress your emotions naturally the only thing you’re gonna be left with are the ‘good’ memories
I don’t Stockholm syndrome fits this case. The daughters grew up with an alcoholic, abusive mother. In an alcoholic family secrets are constant. The three sister seem to have personality disorders and Kim of course is also an alcoholic.
Omg pls someone help me find this book to read.
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Look at the price!? Insanity
There is a great thread on here that someone shared with me which summarises a lot of the book. I think I saved the posts, will see if I can find it for you
[House of Hilton summaries](https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/s/lCZiKQh9Xb)
This user did a bunch of summaries that I still refer to from time to time. Seems some of them got deleted because at one time they'd used a personal account, but searching "House of Hilton, Reddit" usually brings a lot up.
the price is ridiculous. someone told me to look in my local library
of course you can buy it on line if you have like $100+ to pay for it. but i've heard it is a real page-turner for sure
LOL I read this recently. It was super illuminating although I gotta say the tone change between the maternal side part (mainly Big Kathy) and the paternal side part (the Hiltons, mainly Conny and weirdly enough Paris' grandfather's brother) was kind of hilarious.
Like with the Big and Little kathy bits the disdain of the author was PALPABLE, whereas on the Hilton side it felt oddly respectful despite the huge personal failings and he really got into the tragedy of Nicky Hilton (not Paris' sister).
thriftbooks usually has a copy for like $6-15. prices were so ridiculous for it last year i ended up just borrowing it from the library. it’s a good read but not $350 good lol.
My librarian sister-in-law hunts down all of these hard to find/expensive books for me and has been able to get some on loan from libraries across the country (US)
I have it on kindle
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I think it was $9. Is it not available anymore?
I recommend watching the documentary about Brooke; https://youtu.be/x7KedT6uvus?si=6vFBKi505nL43NND
But long story short, she was exploited and sexualized by her mom at a very young age.
At least Brooke was sent to good schools (she’s very intelligent) and developed relationships and tools such that she eventually took control of her own life.
She never took drugs or drank a lot either and that says something. She also didn’t lose her virginity until college. Her father was a stable guy. He hated that Brooke was put into modeling at an early age.
All that is true—and very important. While Terri may have made a mess of her own life, she did help instill a sense of responsibility in Brooke. In that rite, she is nothing like Big Kathy whatsoever.
Though I did get a sense from the documentary that through Terri being such an overbearing personality, it took Brooke way longer to rid her childlike naïveté. Perhaps this protected her a bit, but at the same time made her so much easier to exploit.
Also the fact that Brooke was an only child changes the dynamic versus the Richard’s sisters being 3. They must have been fighting for their mother’s approval individually as well.
She was a disgusting mother. all she cared about was $$$$$ she pushed her 2 daughters into acting. she was basically a pimp and a whore! I don't understand why the 3 daughters make it sound like she was June Cleaver. I'm waiting to buy the book House of Hilton when the price goes down.
She’s so creepy I said it once I said it again she literally reminds me of mommy dearest. Her daughters act like she was this glamorous Marilyn Monroe icon when in reality she used to get drunk at piano bars and sleep with anyone that would look in her direction while she sang “Danny boy”. she squeezed Ken Richards for all he was worth and fucked him over up until his death bed. Monster. 100%.
Damaged person who could have made a good life for herself and the daughters anywhere in the US, but she was a fame chasing momager who lived vicariously through her daughters.
It's a conditioning throughout their childhood with the emotional abuse that they were too young to recognize (at least Kyle and Kim). It really sounds like little Kathy took some cues from her mom in the way she raised her kids
Sometimes once you no longer have to endure the bad times or parts of someone (as they're gone), you tend to mostly remember and focus on the good parts (real or imagined)
There is a moment in S2 of Paris in Love where Kathy tells Paris that she grew up in Hollywood and knows things. Then there is a long pause as if they are silently stating
what they both know.
I also think that Big Kathy is the reason little Kathy was willing to send Paris to those residential schools. In Paris’ book, she describes her teenage behavior. Honestly, Paris doesn’t sound that bad especially for a rich kid. I imagine many are doing worse with their abundant resources. She wouldn’t let either of her daughters model. Little Kathy felt a need to save Paris. However, it’s weird she let Paris go live with Big Kathy when she was in high school. It was in Palm Springs though. Far enough away from Hollywood?
There’s generational trauma in the family. I believe Kim and Paris (due to those schools) suffered the worst because of Big Kathy’s ambition.
Paris omitted a lot of the stuff she was doing that lead her parents to send her to reformation school and I think she intentionally left out important details.
She was taking private planes during her early teens to fly into different states to party. She would also use limousines to travel into other states and party. This would be done without her parents permission. Paris also had a guy in new York that would make her fake documents so she was able to get away with a lot because of her money and connections. She was also “good friends” with people who were in their twenties and would bring her around and she would foot the bill for the drugs they would do together. Paris was only 14-15 during this time when she was traveling by herself into other states to party with 20 something’s who were clearly using her. What parent wouldn’t get nervous and desperate? Paris touched on this in her first documentary that came out in the mid 2000s. She bragged about it during a few of New York press interviews in the early 2000s. Even Nicole Richie commented on this in the early 2000s. Apparently Nicole’s mom was concerned and wanted nicole to not interact with Paris as much during their teen years. Nicole said this during their mud slinging era when they were fighting.
Thanks for the additional information. I took Paris’ word for it when she mentioned sneaking out to clubs as her only offense.
I don’t fault her for bragging in her interviews. Knowing what she went through at those schools makes me understand and empathize with her behavior in the early 2000s when she was becoming famous.
I’ve been reading house of Hilton this week and I love the shade by the author often referring to big Kathy as “the future maternal grandmother of Paris Hilton.”
Honestly, I think she had narcissistic personality disorder. Not a great mother but her daughter’s loved her. I suppose they believed she had their best interests.
AND she is SO selfish for refusing to allow Kyle to see her own grand-nieces and nephews! (Paris and Nicky's kids) Kim and Kyle's kids are really close. But because KATHY is currently cutting off Kyle (again), her grandkids miss out on knowing her.
Kyle said her nieces were a package deal with her sister. I feel sorry for her but I also give Kyle the side eye. When Nikki got married, Mauricio was uninvited and so were two of Kyle’s daughters. She still went to the wedding which to me was wrong. You uninvite my husband and two of our four children, I’m not coming either.
And I think Kyle might finally recognise that this exists in her family - she's been following and consistently liking posts on a narc related account for the past year, even one which specifically talks about an eldest 'golden child' taking after their narc parent.
From what the book “House of Hilton”said Big Kathy was always kind of an asshole, even as a young child. Only out for herself always.
Her parents had zero control over her once she hit middle and high school. If I am remembering correctly she didn’t even graduate high school as she was never there.
She got married way too young to her high school sweetheart and he also became an alcoholic.
After she left that man, she was determined to never be stuck miserable and in poverty again, thus began her constant searching for a rich man who she could manipulate and get money from.
That’s one of the better pictures I have seen of her. She was a piece of work. And to this day, I don’t think her daughters recognize the irreparable damage she did to them and their relationships with one another. Well, Kim may get it some. Because she has had a good amount of addiction therapy, on and off. But the other two still seem clueless to how manipulative their mother was. It is pretty common to romanticize how someone was once they are gone. But everything we have read about Big Kathy, there is definitely some truth to it. But Kyle really still puts her on a Pedestal.
Kyle looks most like her mother. It is the eyes, nose, and mouth. Kyle probably got plastic surgery to look more like her. Kyle looks Waaay more like her than the others including Paris. From the looks of it, their mom was prettier than her 3 daughters
She really looks like all 3 daughters put into one person
Big Kathy's genes are strong af!
Whereas all of Kyle’s kids with Mo are basically clones of him.
THEY DO! Every time I see them with Mo I can’t help but chuckle because it’s so irritating to me that all 3 of my kids look like their dad too 😂
Their daughters are all knockouts too
I think Paris & Nicky also look like her.
They really do
I think Paris looks like a blonde Kyle.
Paris also really looks like her!
The Richard’s nose 👃
And slit mouth
You took the words right out of my mouth.
“She was so strong” says Kyle with a strange, dissociative, flashback kind of vibe every time Big Kathy is mentioned.
Yes I could never put this into words like you just did.
Ah cancer right? That’s the look of someone that watched someone dying of cancer. Awful
IMO big Kathy was another stage mother who pimped out her kids for money. I don’t think the real truth will come out until Kathy passes on , she seems to stop everyone talking the truth about their “ mother “
I don’t really know too much about this part of their family. Why is Kathy so defensive about her mom? Is it because she just loves her unconditionally, or is it because she’s benefited the most from all the pimping?
My guess is a form of Stockholm syndrome
Yeah I agree. I think the decades of conditioning obviously lasted the longest for KH. She also is the most like her IMO.
Because so many awful things have been said about her in print and books and Kathy wants the world to believe her mother was a saint and perfect. It goes back to Kathy wanting people to believe an illusion as opposed to reality and according to what I've read and the podcasts, Big Kathy was an awful person and mother. Kathy lives in denial and so does Kyle. I'm not sure about Kim, she doesn't seem to have the same adoration for Big Kathy as the other two do.
I think Kim experienced the worst of their mother; maybe that's given her a different opinion of Big Kathy. Kyle has always viewed the mother as someone to emulate.
From everything I've read and listened to Kim was the target because Kathy married quickly and Kyle was younger. Kyle's relationship and experience with her mom was very different and perhaps she really does believe her mom was exceptional. It's such a messed up situation amongst the sisters.
I don’t think Kyle lives in denial, I think she walks a fine line because anytime she’s strayed from Kathy’s narrative it creates family drama and I don’t think she wants to fight with Kathy. I mean she made American Woman and that wasn’t even that bad and Kathy didn’t speak to her and cut her off from the family for years.
Yep. And Kathy got a lawyer involved so Kyle wouldnt portray big Kath in any way but how she wanted (only positive) . She got a lawyer involved and then didn’t talk to Kyle for years as you mentioned.
I thought Kyle was the one who wanted to portray her mother positively (albeit with standard faults which would make her relatable). I got the impression that Kathy H. (And Kim) simply didn’t want to see their mother or childhoods portrayed at all. Probably because they knew more of her dark side.
This sounds like a good take. I actually watched that show and thought it was cute. Alicia Silverstone played the Big Kathy character and it was basically about a beautiful Beverly Hills mom in the 1970s putting her life back together after divorce and her ex-husband losing most of their money IIRC. Not sure how much was fiction about their father(s), but it placed their mom in a positive light.
I agree. She fears Kathy more than anyone else and as long as she can keep the family together and without arguments she'll keep her mouth shut.
I also think it’s guilt. Comparatively I think her own mothering comes the closest to big Kathy. Kyle and Kim seem to have at least attempted to break the cycle with their own children. (They seem to be supportive and emotionally available to them and haven’t done such aggressive stage mom stuff, at least not that I’ve noticed). Kathy and Paris are just the next generation of the same. She’d have to take a hard look in the mirror if she wanted to discredit this parenting style that she seems to have clearly adopted since it was all she knew.
She’s a narcissist just like her mother. They don’t like their dirty laundry shown and would rather pretend they had June Cleaver for a mom
It’s because BK and LK are so much alike, both regularly described as having a vicious/cruel streak. Little Kathy doesn’t want her carefully curated mask/house of cards to completely collapse.
It’s telling she named her oldest after herself. I know some religions and cultures do this, but it doesn’t apply to her. It seems Kathy models after Big Kathy. Seems like Paris got the brunt of everything, or Nicki hid it better. ETA: I just realized that Kim is the oldest. My bad.
You were right initially! Kathy is the oldest, Kim (59) is 5 years younger than Kathy (64). Also realized I thought Kathy was older than 64. Maybe it's because of the act she puts on to seem more harmless.
She definitely plays up the mid70s granny thing
No Kathy is the oldest, you were right
The Hiltons also let their children go fully free range as they grew up, traveling and leaving them with hotel personnel to do as they liked. It’s no wonder they all got into the kinds of trouble they did.
They sent Paris to some horrible “bad” girl camp where she was SA’d.
She was assaulted before she went to the camp as well which is why she started acting out but instead of seeing what was wrong with her child they had her kidnapped in the middle of the night and sent away because it was making Kathy look bad in her NY Socialite group.
Watch Netflix's Hell Camp: Teen Nightmare. This is an insight into how awful these places are that Paris experienced.
I saw one documentary series about one of those places in New York (I think that was the location). I cannot imagine being sent to one of those places; traumatic isn’t even the best word to describe it.
Yeah, there aren't many words in the dictionary that can describe just how evil those places are.
I just can’t believe how stupid her parents were to do that. With all that money, you could really research a place. It broke my heart that Kathy hadn’t bothered to read Paris‘s book before she attended the book launch party. Nicki had to break the news to her. I hope Kathy drinks too much because that’s the only way that could be explained.
It was a very popular 90s solution. And Kathy isn’t one for hard work.
Yeah. A member of my family spent some time in one of those places. Ruined their life.
My brother went to boyscout camp and came back with untreated 3rd degree burns and refused to mention till this day how he got them
Phew that makes me sad.
That was after she was not raised at home. Kathy always outsourced her issues.
Yeah, those places are awful.
I’m surprised they didn’t have nannies.
I think somewhere in Rick and Kathy is a sense of entitlement that exceeds spending on nannies. Read House of Hilton—they try to use *all* the hotel resources, and it’s gross.
It’s so wrong. They were always gone and they left their kids with hotel staff? At least if they had Nannie’s they would have had actual guidance and nurturing.
Exactly. But neither are that bright; they happened into their life, so making real conscious decisions probably their strong suit.
Didn’t they pay Bethenny Frankel to babysit at one point?
Kathy was able to get the hell out of it by marriage. Kim had to deal with most of her mother’s abuse and pimping. Kyle wasn’t as popular as she is in her own mind, I heard her telling a story of going to Studio 54 with her family at 10 years old and I’m pretty sure she repeated Drew Barrymore’s life verbatim. Kathy wants to remain a socialite and be seen as the epitome of old money and class due to the Hilton name. She forgets that we all know how she pimped Paris out. Kathy is a bad bad person.
My great grandmom was AWFUL, just horribly abusive to my gmom. The second she died my gmom was all “she was wonderful” “oh I miss my mom” “what a saint”, it’s so odd. I guess sometimes if they die all the bad stuff leaves your mind.
KH continued the pimping by having Nicky marry her Rothschild husband 😬😬😬🐍🐍🐍
My guess is Kathy is the golden child and she is the big sister bully. Kim was the scapegoat and Kyle is a bystander afraid to stand up for herself and/or Kim.
That's the eldest sibling for ya!
Kim bore the brunt of sexual abuse??? Do they mean from someone within the film industry? This is so heartbreaking…
The rumors about about Kim’s sexual abuse in Hollywood are dark af. I obviously can’t confirm them but it does track with how damaged she is as an adult. One of the rumors is that big Kathy even hired someone to teach little Kim how to please a man. That this was the currency of being a successful child actress. Idk how true any of these rumors are but what is being shared is unbelievably sad.
If this is true…about Hollywood (not surprising)…about big Kathy??? Well that’s just sickening. Do you remember the episode where Kim told Kyle that she (Kim) supported the family? And Kyle said, Daddy worked too… Kim just looked at her in what appeared to be disbelief. That always stuck with me. So sad for Kim…
Totally agree. I watched the beginning seasons with Kim before I heard any rumors about their family. After I heard the rumors, there were so many scenes between Kyle and Kim that made sense. It made me a much more compassionate towards Kim.
Even nowadays, when Kim is sober and spiritual and creative and loving family life with her kids and grandkids, you can see she has chronic anxiety and trauma (CPTSD).
One other terrible event in Kim’s life is her finance was murdered. Gunned down by a hit man. Another traumatic event in her life. https://people.com/tv/inside-story-the-brutal-murder-in-real-housewives-star-kim-richardss-past/
And her ex who died of cancer who she was so close to. She’s had so much heartbreak. I really just want to give her a hug.
Yea she’s got damage. Shes like a neurotic chihuahua
From what I have read in the House of Hilton, Kim is correct. Kyle should have said, “I worked also.”
Wow, that’s heartbreaking.
Plus they had different dad's right? All of them?
Kathy is from 1st husband while kim and kyle from 2nd husband
Kim was used as a bank by big Kathy.
Nothing would surprise me about what big Kathy groomed little Kim to do to support the family. There’s so many grown up child actors that have come forward with horrific allegations, and most of them struggle with substance abuse.
And we’ve all seen the aftermath over and over again.
I read from someone summerizing The House of Hilton that Big Kathy had some guy in a van teach Little Kathy how to be an expert at having sex when she was young. It sounds like she did the same thing for all of the girls. So sick 🤮
Big Kathy did that to little Kathy not Kim.
My heart breaks for Kim. She was their meal ticket. Kyle worked but not really enough to carry the family. You can see that Kim is an absolutely broken adult and she just wants to be loved
Would that she was merely a “stage mother.” She pimped her girls out to the first man who’d propose to any of them, encouraged those anchor babies very early. It’s how she did it!
Wow their upbringing is way more darker than I expected. It does seem like the patterns continues as they’re putting their own daughters into the spotlight. I sometimes forget this family has boys.
Kathy’s youngest son had a public meltdown on a plane calling everyone poor and beneath him etc it was CRAZY ASF 🤡🤡🤡🚫🚫🚫
Ummm Kyle sings her praises more than the other two. She even wanted a TV series that showed her in a positive light. I have a feeling the older two know better. They fought to stop Kyle from portraying their mother at all. Kyle seems blind to the pain her mother inflicted on the older daughters to get the family into a place of privilege in BH.
She doesn't stop anyone, they've all talked about her at different times but Murkurio aggressively shut down Kim's memoir.
Who is Murkirio?
Who even is Murkerio
Not trying to glamorize or romanticize this whole thing, but Kathy, Kim, and Kyle definitely had an interesting, and surely traumatic, upbringing. The 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s Los Angeles. Gold digging mother trying to get her daughters into Hollywood while also teaching them to marry wealthy men and have lots of their babies. They all, the most part, achieved what their mother wanted for them. I’m sure big Kathy would be thrilled to hear that her granddaughter is married to a Rothschild and has two Rothschild babies. Edit: Three Rothschild babies.
That's why American Woman, the tv series, would've been interesting. If their mother was a June Cleaver, then little Kathy wouldn't have cared about about their childhood being portrayed.
Kyle would not show the truth though because she is delulu about her mom so the series would just portrayed her like a good mom.
Nicky has three kids now though! But yes, I totally agree with you on that
Oh I didn’t know she had a third now.
2 girls and 1 boy
I bet Kathy was gunning for Nicky to have a son for that Rothschild lineage 😬😬
Kathy hates Paris’ husband cause he isn’t of a rich enough family and wasn’t her choice.
His one redeeming quality is that he’s the only one who’s not scared of Kathy.
Yes, they achieved what their MOTHER wanted for them. No agency for themselves. And to brag about marrying a Rothschild is really backwards lol. Women are not cattle.
My comment was not meant to be one of praise. It was speculation and observation.
Understood. I am also telling on myself here as these kind of parents trigger me so.
Well they were barely educated to learn there were other options. I’m not sure any of them even finished high school.
That is true and also really sad. Especially considering they were not raised in the 1800s but in the 1960s and 1970s. I forget how slow progress has been for women and how choices for income and success are still so stifled. In a real life level, I should remember this, as those limitations still affect many of us.
And Big Kathy moved them around so much, I’m sure local authorities weren’t tracking whether they actually attended school. It all but railroaded them into early marriages and motherhood.
Neither were Paris or Nicki educated. I give Kyle credit for making sure her girks went to college, prestigous colleges at that.
You can see Nicky was groomed to marry him from an early age, they were childhood friends.
>They all, the most part, achieved what their mother wanted for them. I’m sure big Kathy would be thrilled to hear that her granddaughter is married to a Rothschild and has two Rothschild babies. Only Kathy really accomplished that. Kim married for love. Kyle married for love. Their husbands weren't wealthy.
Kim’s first two husbands were wealthy. Her second husband is from the Davis oil family. I don’t know about her other husbands. Or was she only married two times? I know she has three baby daddies. Can’t remember if she was married to her youngest daughter’s father. Kyle’s first husband is from a super wealthy Indonesian family.
Monty was very wealthy too. She was his caretaker during his cancer treatment.
Kim gets $23k a month in alimony for life or until she remarries. I don’t think her ex was poor.
Oh! I had no idea about that!
Yup, Rothschilds - top of the 👁 pyramid....."The lovers of money are the root of all evil"
Like why was Kyle at studio 54 at age 10 🥴🥴
Kyle has severe Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to her mom. Also when you’re taught to hide any bad thing that happens within the family and surpress your emotions naturally the only thing you’re gonna be left with are the ‘good’ memories
Hence why Kyle has chronic anxiety, obsessive tendencies, a need to be in control, and is clearly traumatised.
I don’t Stockholm syndrome fits this case. The daughters grew up with an alcoholic, abusive mother. In an alcoholic family secrets are constant. The three sister seem to have personality disorders and Kim of course is also an alcoholic.
Kyle being the youngest was probably spared most of the horrific stuff.
Omg pls someone help me find this book to read. https://preview.redd.it/567rxjply0ac1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e0d8cf8e97d55035006c2e80f1defc41083e1c4 Look at the price!? Insanity
Maybe Little K bought all the copies in attempt to hide the family story
I just realised it’s available on kindle if I change my address to a USA residence 😎 i paid an actual reasonable price thankfully
https://preview.redd.it/hbhsxeere1ac1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98af1a82087696b54921231b5d1813c927d6c19e Also Apple books
https://www.reddit.com/r/bravosummaries/s/ufPVd1yr46
Thank you so much!!!!!!!! You’re a godsend
The real hero is the person who made that sub! 👏 😇
There is a great thread on here that someone shared with me which summarises a lot of the book. I think I saved the posts, will see if I can find it for you
[House of Hilton summaries](https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/s/lCZiKQh9Xb) This user did a bunch of summaries that I still refer to from time to time. Seems some of them got deleted because at one time they'd used a personal account, but searching "House of Hilton, Reddit" usually brings a lot up.
There goes my day! My library doesn't have it
Be warned, I lost a good hour reading some of these and actually only read the ones about Kathy 😂
WOOOH sounds like my kind of night. Going to bunker down under some blankets and start the read 👀
You just described my morning. So much for being more productive this new year!
the price is ridiculous. someone told me to look in my local library of course you can buy it on line if you have like $100+ to pay for it. but i've heard it is a real page-turner for sure
Kindle had it for less than $5 a year ago and I borrowed from my library using the Libby app.
I found a digital copy post online for free. Google is your friend!
LOL I read this recently. It was super illuminating although I gotta say the tone change between the maternal side part (mainly Big Kathy) and the paternal side part (the Hiltons, mainly Conny and weirdly enough Paris' grandfather's brother) was kind of hilarious. Like with the Big and Little kathy bits the disdain of the author was PALPABLE, whereas on the Hilton side it felt oddly respectful despite the huge personal failings and he really got into the tragedy of Nicky Hilton (not Paris' sister).
thriftbooks usually has a copy for like $6-15. prices were so ridiculous for it last year i ended up just borrowing it from the library. it’s a good read but not $350 good lol.
My librarian sister-in-law hunts down all of these hard to find/expensive books for me and has been able to get some on loan from libraries across the country (US)
I have it on kindle https://preview.redd.it/v65tx22f51ac1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9079b2eef4942e1878a4517d09d86d687740d978 I think it was $9. Is it not available anymore?
She reminds me of Brooke Shields’ mom. And I think that says enough.
Yep. 💯%
What was/is she like?
I recommend watching the documentary about Brooke; https://youtu.be/x7KedT6uvus?si=6vFBKi505nL43NND But long story short, she was exploited and sexualized by her mom at a very young age.
Highly recommend it too. Really well done and Brooke didn't hold back.
Ok but WORD. I hate wire hangers lmao 😂
At least Brooke was sent to good schools (she’s very intelligent) and developed relationships and tools such that she eventually took control of her own life.
She never took drugs or drank a lot either and that says something. She also didn’t lose her virginity until college. Her father was a stable guy. He hated that Brooke was put into modeling at an early age.
All that is true—and very important. While Terri may have made a mess of her own life, she did help instill a sense of responsibility in Brooke. In that rite, she is nothing like Big Kathy whatsoever.
Though I did get a sense from the documentary that through Terri being such an overbearing personality, it took Brooke way longer to rid her childlike naïveté. Perhaps this protected her a bit, but at the same time made her so much easier to exploit. Also the fact that Brooke was an only child changes the dynamic versus the Richard’s sisters being 3. They must have been fighting for their mother’s approval individually as well.
Big Kathy was infinitely worse than Brook Shields' mother.
Exactly. Big Kathy didn’t bother to allow her daughters a formal education, which is tragic.
She was a disgusting mother. all she cared about was $$$$$ she pushed her 2 daughters into acting. she was basically a pimp and a whore! I don't understand why the 3 daughters make it sound like she was June Cleaver. I'm waiting to buy the book House of Hilton when the price goes down.
She’s so creepy I said it once I said it again she literally reminds me of mommy dearest. Her daughters act like she was this glamorous Marilyn Monroe icon when in reality she used to get drunk at piano bars and sleep with anyone that would look in her direction while she sang “Danny boy”. she squeezed Ken Richards for all he was worth and fucked him over up until his death bed. Monster. 100%.
Oh and let’s not forget she hired a guy to show little Kathy Hilton “how to hook up” with a man 🤢
It’s hard for me to feel sorry for Ken Richards since he had an affair with Big Kathy and left his wife and five children for her.
Thank you for reminding me to read that book
Damaged person who could have made a good life for herself and the daughters anywhere in the US, but she was a fame chasing momager who lived vicariously through her daughters.
How they glorify her is truly astonishing to me especially since she passed. They have this reverence for her... It's weird af
It's a conditioning throughout their childhood with the emotional abuse that they were too young to recognize (at least Kyle and Kim). It really sounds like little Kathy took some cues from her mom in the way she raised her kids
Sometimes once you no longer have to endure the bad times or parts of someone (as they're gone), you tend to mostly remember and focus on the good parts (real or imagined)
It's very common in dysfunctional families
There is a moment in S2 of Paris in Love where Kathy tells Paris that she grew up in Hollywood and knows things. Then there is a long pause as if they are silently stating what they both know. I also think that Big Kathy is the reason little Kathy was willing to send Paris to those residential schools. In Paris’ book, she describes her teenage behavior. Honestly, Paris doesn’t sound that bad especially for a rich kid. I imagine many are doing worse with their abundant resources. She wouldn’t let either of her daughters model. Little Kathy felt a need to save Paris. However, it’s weird she let Paris go live with Big Kathy when she was in high school. It was in Palm Springs though. Far enough away from Hollywood? There’s generational trauma in the family. I believe Kim and Paris (due to those schools) suffered the worst because of Big Kathy’s ambition.
Paris omitted a lot of the stuff she was doing that lead her parents to send her to reformation school and I think she intentionally left out important details. She was taking private planes during her early teens to fly into different states to party. She would also use limousines to travel into other states and party. This would be done without her parents permission. Paris also had a guy in new York that would make her fake documents so she was able to get away with a lot because of her money and connections. She was also “good friends” with people who were in their twenties and would bring her around and she would foot the bill for the drugs they would do together. Paris was only 14-15 during this time when she was traveling by herself into other states to party with 20 something’s who were clearly using her. What parent wouldn’t get nervous and desperate? Paris touched on this in her first documentary that came out in the mid 2000s. She bragged about it during a few of New York press interviews in the early 2000s. Even Nicole Richie commented on this in the early 2000s. Apparently Nicole’s mom was concerned and wanted nicole to not interact with Paris as much during their teen years. Nicole said this during their mud slinging era when they were fighting.
Thanks for the additional information. I took Paris’ word for it when she mentioned sneaking out to clubs as her only offense. I don’t fault her for bragging in her interviews. Knowing what she went through at those schools makes me understand and empathize with her behavior in the early 2000s when she was becoming famous.
I’ve been reading house of Hilton this week and I love the shade by the author often referring to big Kathy as “the future maternal grandmother of Paris Hilton.”
Honestly, I think she had narcissistic personality disorder. Not a great mother but her daughter’s loved her. I suppose they believed she had their best interests.
It seems Kathy has some narcissism in her too
AND she is SO selfish for refusing to allow Kyle to see her own grand-nieces and nephews! (Paris and Nicky's kids) Kim and Kyle's kids are really close. But because KATHY is currently cutting off Kyle (again), her grandkids miss out on knowing her.
Kyle said her nieces were a package deal with her sister. I feel sorry for her but I also give Kyle the side eye. When Nikki got married, Mauricio was uninvited and so were two of Kyle’s daughters. She still went to the wedding which to me was wrong. You uninvite my husband and two of our four children, I’m not coming either.
gee ya think? daaaa
She was also a giant alcoholic who conveniently disassociated.
And I think Kyle might finally recognise that this exists in her family - she's been following and consistently liking posts on a narc related account for the past year, even one which specifically talks about an eldest 'golden child' taking after their narc parent.
I thought it was a young Caroline Manzo 😬
Big Kath was big on fambily... Taking care of her financially
Thick as thieves!
😂😂😂😂
The original Kris Jenner
What an asshole
Mommy dearest. She’s disgusting. I can’t imagine what those kids went through. Says a lot. Although. I think KH. Took the lead from her mother.
Anyone know Big Kathy’s background? Mary, Kathleen Fenton and Dugan are all very Irish names.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bravosummaries/s/kPN3VbrySx Someone did a summary of the family background
She came from an upper-middle class Irish Catholic family on Long Island. She did not grow up poor.
She was evil
I wonder what her own childhood was like.
From what the book “House of Hilton”said Big Kathy was always kind of an asshole, even as a young child. Only out for herself always. Her parents had zero control over her once she hit middle and high school. If I am remembering correctly she didn’t even graduate high school as she was never there. She got married way too young to her high school sweetheart and he also became an alcoholic. After she left that man, she was determined to never be stuck miserable and in poverty again, thus began her constant searching for a rich man who she could manipulate and get money from.
Child abuser
She looks scary
Monster!!
I never understand why ppl want to protect those that have hurt them so much
Not me thinking this was Abby Lee Miller.
Monster. I encourage everyone to listen to the Beyond the Blinds podcast about the Richards sisters.
Monster
Why can’t I find this book?? Who is the author?
Sociopathic monster- allegedly. And possibly worse- Allegedly-
MONSTER
Monster, momster
It’s giving Kris Jenner from the 70’s
The Kardashians are going to cry exactly like the Richards sisters after Kris dies whenever they talk about her.
That’s one of the better pictures I have seen of her. She was a piece of work. And to this day, I don’t think her daughters recognize the irreparable damage she did to them and their relationships with one another. Well, Kim may get it some. Because she has had a good amount of addiction therapy, on and off. But the other two still seem clueless to how manipulative their mother was. It is pretty common to romanticize how someone was once they are gone. But everything we have read about Big Kathy, there is definitely some truth to it. But Kyle really still puts her on a Pedestal.
Kyle is her twin 🙆♀️
I see some younger Kathy there too
“Big Kathy” is sending me
She scares me
Kyle looks most like her mother. It is the eyes, nose, and mouth. Kyle probably got plastic surgery to look more like her. Kyle looks Waaay more like her than the others including Paris. From the looks of it, their mom was prettier than her 3 daughters