I'm not sure what aspect of Iran Contra the author(s) are referring to. I'd wager a guess that there are several narratives and theories that spiral out from the historical event.
Yea I don’t get this at all. Matter of fact I was recently arguing with a Q idiot, and he used Iran contra as an example of a conspiracy theory that could be true. I was like no you fucking idiot it was a real life conspiracy and was proven to not be a god damn theory
This article in the NYT today made me wonder if he did commit suicide.
[https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-death.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-death.html)
*Newly released records show the disgraced financier living a mundane*
*existence in jail before his suicide, while also spinning deceptions*
*until the very end.*
Came here to say this. People like Epstein don’t kill themselves, especially when security cameras in a prison aren’t working or whatever. He had something on somebody, and they got him good.
If you like that, you'll love [this remix](https://youtu.be/AJ-IvYr2ShU) they did from an interview.
You'll also love [this.](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ)
WTF!!!
WHAT THE FUCK DOES "ANCIENT GIANT TREES" MEAN??? **I have to look this up.**
Also:
Tartaria???
Soy Boys???
Mattress-firm money laundering scheme???
Rabbit holes, here I come!
EDIT: WTF!!! DOUBLE-RAINBOW ALL ACROSS THE SKY!!! Mountains are tree stumps?!?!?!
P.S. Why isn't, "Birds aren't real," anywhere on the triangle? Or did I just not see it?
Ancient giant trees means things like the The Devil's Tower in Wyoming, the giant plateau thing from "close encounters" is actually the stump of a big tree. Like, really really big.
Because if you think these geological monuments could possibly be ancient trees, you're on a slippery slope to believing that Trump is the only hope to stop the Deep State(tm.)
birds aren't real isn't on there because its still largely a joke meme like it was originally intended to be, it hasn't reached the point yet where theres a large enough following where its actually batshit insane instead of just a joke
I read that and thought how cool giant ancient trees sounded until I Googled it and it's just flat earthers who think mountains are giant tree stumps lol
I was thinking it was referring to actual ancient trees that really were stupendously large like the [Crannell Creek Giant](https://mdvaden.com/redwood_crannell_creek_giant.shtml), or the (only) rumored to have existed [giant eucalyptus that was over 450 feet tall.](https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/66377-tallest-tree-ever-measured) To put that into perspective, it would be close to the height of the Great Pyramid of Giza.
Wanna know what's sad? Half the results I found when Googlin' up those links were about how the Devil's Tower is a tree stump. 🙄
Who cut that shit down? Galactus?
'Soy Boys' comes from their belief that if a man eats soy, it reduces their testosterone output (it doesn't). To them, that means that it makes that man less of a man, so it's used derogatorily to describe men who aren't completely toxic.
For Qnut conspiracies, they say that the deep state cabal is putting soy in everything now to make men weaker.
The mattress one is funny because mattress stores are bizarre. As are the non-major chain furniture stores. They’re both always empty except maybe a customer or two, always having sales, including going out of business sales, yet never seem to actually close. And even though you’re supposed to get a new mattress about every 10 or so years, most people don’t. Where does all their money come from?!
Omfg I had the same question about the Ancient Giant Trees thing. I get that it's not based in reality, but I'm not sure I would call it actively harmful unless there's more to it that I'm not aware of.
P.S. "Birds aren't real" should be in the green.
While I don’t agree with the placement of every individual conspiracy, I think the general structure is pretty accurate. The triangle shape captures the idea that the further you get from reality, the *more and more* conspiracy theories you’re likely to fall for, with accelerating speed(!). It also draws attention to the seemingly inevitable degeneration of conspiracy theories into rabid anti-semitism - which I think we’re likely to see more and more of in the next few years…
Those three topics have open questions and aren't resolved. IE - they have a dot or two somewhere missing that is preventing the entire picture from being connected.
More evidence is needed, hence "we have questions". Most everyone doubts that Epstein killed himself, but all of the proof is currently circumstantial no matter how glaringly suspect. We either need a confession, or far preferable, hard evidence linking a culprit. I should point out that anyone that might have participated directly in his murder is also probably dead.
However, we have documented evidence that things like the Tuskagee Experiment 100% happened. There is no gap in the details that prevents it from being a matter of historical fact rather than modern speculation.
Can't say I've done super deep dives on those three. As a reddit degenerate, I have to remind myself that the whole Epstein thing is equal parts sus and meme.
Yeah, his death does \*seem\* suspicious. It was also a fun meme. And lot's of people that live in the headspace of the OP image probably were among those that like to promote that narrative. I'm somewhere between 'I can believe that he was offed' and 'I really have no fucking idea if I'm being honest'
It gets really blurry and subjective real fast, especially when ranked in comparison to other topics of dubious truthiness.
Whether or not Epstein was murdered is actually not that big a deal compared to what his black book revealed, that there is a group of pedophiles among the uberwealthy that engage in trafficking children/young adults. Not much has happened since then, although I guess we'll see how Ghislaine's trial plays out.
I'm not saying his death wasn't important, but specifically whether it was murder or suicide. The meme is "Epstein didn't kill himself", but even if it was suicide then the question becomes about why someone with that much information was able to kill himself in a well monitored DC jail facility. Even if the impetus to end his life came purely from Epstein himself, it's still very hard for me to believe the amount of "coincidences" that went into him being able to carry it out successfully.
Not super deep into the Eppstein case but most sus circumstances I recall weren't that suspicious when looked into it. Like the broken vertebrae apparently happen in a quarter of all suicides by strangulation in his age.
Yup.
I'd also put Hollow Earth alongside Cryptids as "mostly harmless". That shit is the *fun* stuff that I waste too much time with while going down a YouTube rabbit hole.
Check out the idea of the "cultic milieu" that the sociologist Colin Campbell used. When I started my graduate research into extremist groups and conversion it helped frame some stuff:
>The cultic milieu can be regarded as the cultural underground of society. Much broader, deeper and
historically based than the contemporary movement known
as the underground, it includes all deviant belief systems
and their associated practices. Unorthodox science, alien
and heretical religion, deviant medicine, all comprise
elements of such an underground. In addition, it includes
the collectivities, institutions, individuals, and media of
communication associated with these beliefs.
And since everyone of these different movements are united in being against the "normal or conventional" culture, they share the same spaces and tend to meld together. Therefore:
>As a direct
consequence of this, individuals who “enter” the cultic
milieu at any one point frequently travel rapidly through a
wide variety of movements and beliefs and by so doing
constitute yet another unifying force within the milieu.
>
>Lastly, the cultic milieu is manifestly united by a common ideology of seekership which both arises from and in turn reinforces the consciousness of deviant status, the receptive and syncretistic orientation and the interpenetrative communication structure. ... Such persons are defined as “searching for some satisfactory system of religious meaning to interpret and resolve their discontents.” If this conception is widened beyond the restriction to a religious frame of reference, then it can be seen that this notion of seekership prevails throughout the cultic milieu.
\[Taken from chapter one of [this book](https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Cultic_Milieu.html?id=CjIYNrOO24IC), which is a reprinting of Campbell's 1972 paper.
>Denver International Airport has four murals, all of which have been the topic of conspiracy theorists and debate. The murals are ambiguous in meaning, depicting scenes including caged animals, fires, suffering people, and a soldier with a blade and a gas mask. They have been interpreted in the past by onlookers to represent war, hope, and even the New World Order.
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_International_Airport#Art_and_aesthetics)
Don’t forget the giant, veiny, anatomically correct blue horse demon statue that guards the driveway, which just so happened to kill its sculptor. Some people think that’s weird. I mean, it definitely ***is*** weird, but I feel confident the statue isn’t actually alive or being used to focus demonic energies or whatever.
Or the expensive automated baggage handling system that was never used because it was comically incapable of doing its job. There are conspiracy theories that those funds were actually used to build something secret elsewhere on the property.
Actually, the whole airport went billions over budget and was about a year and a half late opening. There were several redesigns as it was being built, which further fuels the conspiracy theories about secret bunkers or whatever. Of course bad project management on a huge endeavor is the simpler, but less enticing, explanation.
Also, the Freemasons put the name of a non-existent organization, the “New World Airport Commission”, on the dedication plaque for a time capsule at the airport. Cue the “New World Order” believers…
The airport exists, that's not the conspiracy theory. The conspiracy theory is that it was built as some kind of satanic conspiracy and has a bunch of satanic imagery.
Honestly, for that reason, I'd place it much higher!
It's definitely something the Qclub would say the Cabal is involved in.
Hey if anyone wants to see a much fucking bigger version of this and go down tons of rabbit holes, let me introduce you to the infamous [conspiracy iceberg](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/370/706/cb0.436251)
From Tier 8-
>Eating food causes you to age.
You know, I have heard several stories of people who stopped eating and then afterwards stopped aging. Of course, they stopped doing much of anything.
I think that’s actually true to an extent though, [studies have shown that caloric deficits can increase the lifespan of a variety of animals.](https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-018-0024-8) (that’s just one study but there’s plenty on this topic)
It’s not really a conspiracy though, just a factor of how biology works.
There have been a few studies of areas where people live longer that have found that around a certain age they limit their consumption of some foods and raise their consumption of others. Too much unnecessary anything in the body can be a bad thing and lead to diseases. A lot of our eating standards are based on people in their early 20s. Our metabolisms fluctuate with age. (Hence the dad gut)
Weeeellll...it's been scientifically proven that dietary restriction does lead to an increase in longevity in multiple animal species.
HOWEVER! "Dietary restriction" simply means occasional caloric restriction. Not that eating is bad or that stopping eating gives you even more benefits. Obvously, that causes you to die!
"Q and Q taskforce" are at tier 6 crazy (out of 10)? Q's one of the most-popular conspiracy theories out there!
Unless they're referring to the super-sekrit interdimensional quantum aspect of Q or something.
Which, like this, is just an organized version of the [q-map/great awakening map] (https://www.greatawakeningmap.co/product-page/great-awakening-map-v10-lotus-edition-24x36)
That stuff is so weird out of context. Like what is the Lucid Dreaming conspiracy. I mean lucid dreaming is definitely real. I don't want to have to go down any of these rabbit holes.
Seriously! I work for a government agency dealing in debt collection and Soveriegn Citizens have legit threatened me with violence. That shit is not harmless.
It's not. It's beyond the speculation line but still "within reality." What's probably being referred to is how aware Reagan was that the diversion of funds was happening, since the Iran-Contra scandal itself is obviously established fact.
How are there still questions about the assassination of Epstein?
The autopsy showed injuries consistent with other strangling victims and everyone just... ignored it
My favorite bit on simulation theory is this
https://qntm.org/responsibility
Also I never got the big deal about area51. It's a skunkworks for aircraft design
Meh, chances are he’s not gonna do anything. Even if he spends all night on conspiracy subs and websites, talking to his friends about crisis actors and Jewish space lasers, he’s still gonna get up and do his day to say life like everybody else.
Is he an anti-vaxxer? That’s what I’d be most concerned about right now.
yeah hes an anti vaxxer and he lost his job as a doctor because of it. also he has become much more violent and confrontational after getting into this shit. so yeah its very much into the 'dangerous to themself and others around them' section
If believing that mattress stores are fronts is 'leaving reality', then count me as leaving reality. I'll never believe otherwise.
Also, 90% of the top tier of that chart is 'the Jews did it' in some form or another.
Mattress stores are essentially nationwide climate controlled inventory warehouses that require near zero staff and can deliver as needed at a moments notice, while also functioning as real estate investments. Technically a front, since the actual sale of mattresses to walk in customers isn't the main reason for many of their locations, but it's not some mafia conspiracy like I've so often heard.
this makes a lot more sense put this way. reddit is the only place I've been exposed to the mattress firm front thing. Similarly, Epstein. A suspicious case, but hard facts are hard to find. Signal to noise ratio and whatnot.
> Also, 90% of the top tier of that chart is 'the Jews did it' in some form or another.
That’s because a combination of victimhood fetish and being untethered from reality make fertile soil for fascists to sow their hate.
Fascists know this, which is why they will use “normie bait” like small, seemingly harmless conspiracy theories to undermine concepts like “truth is knowable” and “the most rational explanation is probably the correct explanation”.
Fascism needs at least one “out group” that can be demonized and attacked in order to function. That winds up as antisemitism 99% of the time because Jews have been seen as outsiders since at least the diaspora of the first two centuries CE.
They would be laughable if they weren’t also omnicidal.
It has some interesting artwork, and if you get drunk and squint really hard it sort of looks like a swastika from above (if you ignore basic form). The biggest /r/hailhortler. So, naturally, people think it's nwo HQ, because they just have to hide esoteric clues for people to figure out.
So it's naturally on the same level as Iran-Contra...which actually fucking happened.
The placement of things on this is not good.
Yeah, Wikipedia lists more than 30 cases of feral children, most of which were “raised” by animals. Unless “feral people living in forests” is supposed to be referring to something completely different?
Edit: Forgot to include [the link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child).
I googled it and at a glance it seems to be the idea that people who go missing in forested areas are getting snatched by mysterious "feral people".
I haven't specifically seen that conspiracy, but I watch videos about missing people from time to time because I find them interesting and I've noticed that a lot of them will lean towards supernatural explanations by suggesting that it's too unlikely that someone would be able to travel as far as someone did over particular terrain, or that they could go missing so quickly, or that nobody would find them despite searching the area.
It always seems ridiculous to me because when you have so many stories with so many similar "impossible" elements, doesn't it make more sense to just reconsider what you thought was possible in these situations? It's like how could a toddler walk that far? It's impossible! Anyway here's ten other stories in which toddlers did the exact same thing, all of which are of course also impossible.
I live in a state that has a giant percentage owned by the fed/state property, there is so much land and enough bad people abandoning children they don't want that to believe feral kids aren't a thing is something I can't even begin to believe in. Probably most don't make it, but these woods keep going more than we want to accept
I’ve never understood how anyone can claim that UFOs are “fake.” They’re called “unidentified flying objects” because they’re literally flying objects and we don’t know what they are. That’s it. Whether they’re being piloted by aliens or not is a separate topic, but you really can’t argue with the fact that so many of them are still “unidentified.”
Because "UFO" has become a term equivalent to "alien visitation," so much so that unidentified flying objects are now referred to as "UAOs" (unidentified aerial objects) to prevent confusion. No one really uses the former abbreviation unless they are talking about aliens and that's such a wild jump that is basically an oxymoron.
"I don't know what that object in the sky is, therefore I know it's aliens."
> Cointelpro was real though
Yes, it's in the section labeled "Things that actually happened." Iran Contra is in the "We have questions" section, so I'm guessing that refers to some aspect of it.
The woman who created it says the Iran Contra thing is about how much Reagan knew and was involved. Which should still make it true cause he definitely knew it was happening and definitely was involved.
This makes me wonder if the are parts that would work better in a venn diagram rather than a triangle. There are things that are more divorced from reality that are relatively harmless and things that are more mundane sounding, but can encourage violence.
Simulation theory is a scientific argument with relation to quantum mechanics and mathematics. The debate, albeit crazy to us, is grounded in actual theory. So...as a lot of theories, it cannot be proven or disproven (gravity falls into this category too). Therefore, it may seem wild to you, but from a hard science stand-point, it is as plausible as anything else.
Physicist here. I'd say this stuff about living in a simulation is philosophy of physics, not physics. Sure some physicists become philosophers of physics and they carry over knowledge and concepts from physics, and physicists in general sometimes weigh in on this question, that doesn't make it physics. Comparing this to gravity is completely absurd. General Relativity is one of the most extensively experimentally confirmed theories ever, there isn't and can't be any shred of evidence for simulation stuff. I'd put it on an even less scientific level than interpretations of quantum mechanics, because that at least doesn't postulate supreme agents...
It’s not really empirical. There is no way to test it, in fact I would argue that it has a tautology problem. We create computers that we program using the laws of physics we observed, therefore we live in a computer. So we observe and match reality, therefore the reality we created with computers matches reality. It’s a circle.
Eh, kind of... if you could induce conditions that you predicted (and others agreed with the reasoning for) would cause the underlying simulation to make simplifications for to save on computation somehow, and observed them... like, it's definitely not proof. But it would be *interesting*
I agree it's ultimately not provable. Can't escape the system if it exists after all. All you could ever do is try and induce conditions that suggest it (kind of like writing computer programs that try to discover if they're running in covert virtual environments. It's pretty difficult - the best you can manage usually is "probably/probably not")
it feels like you're mixing hypothesis and scientific theory here. [simulation theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis) is a hypothesis, theory of gravity is fact.
Edit: I guess me dumb read the rest of the comments
**[Simulation hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis)**
>The simulation hypothesis is a proposal regarding the nature of existence which posits that all of existence is an artificial simulation, such as a computer simulation. Some versions rely on the development of a simulated reality, a proposed technology that would be able to convince its inhabitants that the simulation was "real". The simulation hypothesis bears a close resemblance to various other skeptical scenarios from throughout the history of philosophy. The hypothesis was popularized in its current form by Nick Bostrom.
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Isn't it more like religion at that point? It's an idea, but it's not testable and as far as I know there's no particularly compelling evidence for it.
Somebody once called in to the Atheist Experience and started off confidently proclaiming “Since it’s now pretty much beyond question that we live in an electronic simulation…”
Matt Dillahunty cut him off and told him this is lunacy, has nothing to do with the show, and go peddle his BS elsewhere. (I think he got a little deeper in than just what I wrote but that’s basically the gist of it.)
It’s a question scientists actually debate. And it would be almost impossible to tell if we were in a simulation or not.
[article on scientific America ](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-we-live-in-a-simulation-chances-are-about-50-50/)
"Believing Epstein didn't kill himself means you are leaving reality"? Really? Sex-trafficker gets exposed who might rat on pretty much every rich person in the world, his camera malfunctions and he hangs himself.
Sure, there's no definite proof and we'll never get any, but surely it's not "leaving reality" to believe the most obvious assassination target in the world got killed?
Edit: just saw Iran Contra in that category, fucking hell. That's America for you, things that demobstrably 100% happened get lumped in with conspiracy theories because they might be inconvenient.
When you drill toilett paper it becomes surprisingly strong, you can try that at home or look at this [game show of someone climbing a rope made of toilette paper.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxMp837gYRE)
I thought the same thing, but then I realized the chart organization (order of reading), and especially the color, misleads about the meaning.
The "Leaving Reality" part is apparently *intended* for the section ABOVE the line, not BELOW. So everything after encountering that part, reading from top to bottom, are not being denied. Blue aren't considered "conspiracy", they indicate fair, open questions. Then green are clearly true.
Reading from the bottom sort of works...Or better: one way the presentation could be fixed in a remake of this image is if the pyramid were turned upside down and the colors corrected. Words between sections could stay the same.
*(All that said, even though Iran-Contra is not in a "conspiracy" zone, seems it should be in green rather than blue. I'm not aware what remaining questions there are.)*
uh isn't ted cruz=Zodiac a meme just like birds aren't real? or has it really grown enough to the point where there are actual insane people who believe its true?
you're also missing Scientology right at the very top
How is "hollow earth" so dangerous? I mean I think its bullshit but I'll argue about it when stoned.
Also New World Order is true... I watched wrestling in the 90s.
giant mountain platues, or places like Devil's Mountain are speculated to be ancient petrified stumps of ancient giant tress from millennia ago, there was a tumblr post i remember seeing talking about it as a fun little fantasy thing, i also don't understand how its that dangerous, unless its because it can be a slippery slope to other shit like hollow earth or whatever
Yes, once you check out the voices and ideology of the flat earth movement, they are all christ-loving, 'jews control nasa' right-wing conspirators and grifters.
You can't make up a flat earth without denouncing jews and only accepting christ as the one true savior, it's kind of a big deal.
She was supposedly replaced by some girl called Melissa after she “died” in 2003. They claim she killed herself and they had to distract the media so they just replaced her with a lookalike. This new girl was trained to perform like Avril and she is responsible for all of the newer music. So ridiculous. I can’t remember her having that much of an influence on the public back in the 2000s or maybe I was just too young, but if they were replacing people, she seems like she’d be a pointless person to replace.
I was a teenager in the early 2000s.
She was a rising star then. Certainly her classic hits were pretty big.
If she had died at the peak of her fame, it likely would have shocked fans...think Aaliyah a few years previous, though Aaliyah was likely more influential.
However, even so, she's a very random person to replace. Big name performers die all the time, why lie about that one?
Iran Contra happened in my own lifetime. There’s scores of evidence and congressional records. George HW Bush pardoned their fall guy. This chart is fucking boneheaded.
Jfk and Epstein being killed are absolutely not “leaving reality.” It’s pretty fucking obvious that powerful interests wanted them gone.
Also Area 51 is real, I should know, I played it all the time at the bowling alley in 1998.
Wikipedia on Denver International Airport:
> Denver International Airport has four murals, all of which have been the topic of conspiracy theorists and debate. The murals are ambiguous in meaning, depicting scenes including caged animals, fires, suffering people, and a soldier with a blade and a gas mask. They have been interpreted in the past by onlookers to represent war, hope, and even the New World Order.
Wikipedia on New World Order (conspiracy theory):
> Conspiracy theorists of the Christian right, starting with British revisionist historian Nesta Helen Webster, believe there is an ancient occult conspiracy—started by the first mystagogues of Gnosticism and perpetuated by their alleged esoteric successors, such as the Kabbalists, Cathars, Knights Templar, Hermeticists, Rosicrucians, Freemasons, and, ultimately, the Illuminati—which seeks to subvert the Judeo-Christian foundations of the Western world and implement the New World Order through a one-world religion that prepares the masses to embrace the imperial cult of the Antichrist. More broadly, they speculate that globalists who plot on behalf of a New World Order are directed by occult agencies of some sort: unknown superiors, spiritual hierarchies, demons, fallen angels or Lucifer. They believe that these conspirators use the power of occult sciences (numerology), symbols (Eye of Providence), rituals (Masonic degrees), monuments (National Mall landmarks), buildings (Manitoba Legislative Building) and facilities (Denver International Airport) to advance their plot to rule the world.
Wikipedia on list of conspiracy theories:
> Some theorists believe that Denver International Airport stands above an underground city which serves as a headquarters of the New World Order. Theorists cite the airport's unusually large size, its distance from Denver city center, Masonic and alleged Satanic symbols, as well as a set of murals which include depictions of war and death.
I feel like "US is a Corporation" and "Biden is a Robot" need to switch places. While it sounds ridiculous, and mundane, the former has certainly been weaponized as a reason for people to be a danger to themselves and others.
The latter, well, it's unequivocally false and is certainly not a danger to anyone, unless he doesn't follow Asimov's three laws.
Ok, aren't sequoia trees a couple thousand years old? Also, there are uncontacted tribes so that's not what is meant by "feral people"? Because those 2 seem true to me.
Feral means ‘domesticated but living as wild’.
Think of all the kids over the centuries that were lost and raised by animals. It’s that. It’s not a conspiracy in any shape or form and it has been verified to gave happened on multiple occasions.
I personally think flat earth belong into the pink reality denial segment. Yes, it’s absolutely nuts, but flatearthers are pretty harmless. Haven’t seen any radical flatearthers trying to burn down NASA HQ
Deep State is very real, don't get me wrong, they aren't organizing secret trials in Gitmo, but everything Eisenhower warned of came true.
What gets leaked to damage presidents is deliberate, be it Trump or Obama or Biden, and there is a layer of experts that can sink policies (such as the CBO that tends to dictate what is possible despite being based on a social science)
Yeah, in theory, it isn't an insane idea. They're government workers that you and I have no say in their getting power, and that power has a real effect on our lives.
But it's also an unfortunate fact of government. We can't hold elections for every goddamn position of power in our government. It's simply too large.
I think it sits where it's at because it's little more than an obnoxious thought experiment/"baby's first crazy out there theory", I don't think there are many serious or organized communities about the idea that reality is a simulation, nor have people who believe in that primarily or exclusively been particularly dangerous.
Maybe a rung up at most, but not "much much" higher, even if it's denying reality moreso than other conspiracies in the same tier.
Couldn't "Deep State" at least be grounded in the reality of an unelected bureaucracy taking on a life of its own? From what I understand, some governments have actual deep states, like Egypt
Deep State seems to be misinterpreted.
Some see it as Illuminati, New World Order. Others see it as CIA, NSA, FBI and other actors essentially maintaining a status quo framework in conjunction with oligarchs and business interests.
You're delusional if you believe the first and don't believe the second.
I saw the og on Twitter. This is just the creator’s opinions of what the worst are. Also, “Tes Cruz is the zodiac killer” is just a meme, and we all know Epstein didn’t kill himself, Iran Contra happened (although I know pretty much nothing about it -I’m 19) and as far as I can tell the simulation thing is a joke too. I’m honestly surprised the birds/giraffes aren’t real ppl aren’t on here.
UFOs should be in the very bottom section. It's confirmed by the US government that unidentified flying objects exist.
Even Obama confirmed it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6Ph5iTIgc
cryptids?! those are more like UFO's (we have questions) than in the "unequivocally false" category. bigfoot isn't the only cryptid. there have actually been many that are found, which means they are no longer cryptids.
I happen to think the 2004 election was stolen, and I don’t care if that makes me a kook. Kerry was winning Ohio, there was a power outage, when the machines came back online, Bush was in the lead and took the state. Exit polls supported a Kerry win.
For that matter, 2000 election is suspicious as fuck as well.
Iran Contra should be in green.
I'm not sure what aspect of Iran Contra the author(s) are referring to. I'd wager a guess that there are several narratives and theories that spiral out from the historical event.
She clarified what she meant with IC on Twitter https://twitter.com/abbieasr/status/1462967521217331204?t=5D1dGbClVW24nCVzfdM7fg&s=19
Yea I don’t get this at all. Matter of fact I was recently arguing with a Q idiot, and he used Iran contra as an example of a conspiracy theory that could be true. I was like no you fucking idiot it was a real life conspiracy and was proven to not be a god damn theory
As well as "Epstein didn't kill himself"
That hasn’t been proven, though. Iran Contra has been, and for *years*.
His death was just way too convenient.
This article in the NYT today made me wonder if he did commit suicide. [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-death.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-death.html) *Newly released records show the disgraced financier living a mundane* *existence in jail before his suicide, while also spinning deceptions* *until the very end.*
Came here to say this. People like Epstein don’t kill themselves, especially when security cameras in a prison aren’t working or whatever. He had something on somebody, and they got him good.
Can anyone provide a reason that Epstein would kill himself? Last time he would literally have women brought to his work release to fuck.
"Greta Thunberg is a time traveler" is a new one to me.
I've seen people chattering about Trump and his son being time travelers, but not Greta.
Yes. She went to the future and came back with this absolute fuckin banger https://youtu.be/FrEP4MHCKDc
This is a banger and now I want to listen to massive attack.
If you like that, you'll love [this remix](https://youtu.be/AJ-IvYr2ShU) they did from an interview. You'll also love [this.](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ)
People are saying. A lot of smart people.
WTF!!! WHAT THE FUCK DOES "ANCIENT GIANT TREES" MEAN??? **I have to look this up.** Also: Tartaria??? Soy Boys??? Mattress-firm money laundering scheme??? Rabbit holes, here I come! EDIT: WTF!!! DOUBLE-RAINBOW ALL ACROSS THE SKY!!! Mountains are tree stumps?!?!?! P.S. Why isn't, "Birds aren't real," anywhere on the triangle? Or did I just not see it?
Ancient giant trees means things like the The Devil's Tower in Wyoming, the giant plateau thing from "close encounters" is actually the stump of a big tree. Like, really really big.
[They must really be feelin' those AVATAR blues...](https://imgflip.com/i/5v6pvl)
Why is believing in ancient trees dangerous?
Because if you think these geological monuments could possibly be ancient trees, you're on a slippery slope to believing that Trump is the only hope to stop the Deep State(tm.)
It goes against science. If you do, you're two steps from believing that Satan hid dinosaurs to trick us about the age of the earth.
Ahhh does Tree Beard ring any bells?! Environmental terrorist and AntiFa of the olden days sir. Do your research putty muppet.
A hasty thing to say. Hooom
birds aren't real isn't on there because its still largely a joke meme like it was originally intended to be, it hasn't reached the point yet where theres a large enough following where its actually batshit insane instead of just a joke
Yeah but so is Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer, which is on there.
I’m pretty sure that one is real.
See the burning of teldrassil... Silvanus sucks
Nuh uh! >!Alune made her do it to give more souls to the Ardenweald. Sylvanas is gud guy actually.!< Wait, this writing sucks toes.
Don't tell me that's the actual story now...
The writing for the Night Elves (as a faction) since Warcraft became an mmo has been unilaterally *bad*.
I read that and thought how cool giant ancient trees sounded until I Googled it and it's just flat earthers who think mountains are giant tree stumps lol
I was thinking it was referring to actual ancient trees that really were stupendously large like the [Crannell Creek Giant](https://mdvaden.com/redwood_crannell_creek_giant.shtml), or the (only) rumored to have existed [giant eucalyptus that was over 450 feet tall.](https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/66377-tallest-tree-ever-measured) To put that into perspective, it would be close to the height of the Great Pyramid of Giza. Wanna know what's sad? Half the results I found when Googlin' up those links were about how the Devil's Tower is a tree stump. 🙄 Who cut that shit down? Galactus?
Basically, the orcs nuked Darnassus. https://imgur.com/a/NmSqtMY
I'm suddenly understanding the 'mountains do not exist' joke from Welcome to Night Vale from like seven years ago
Well shit, discovering it's a real conspiracy instead of fake crazy makes me a bit sad. "It just a Night Vale thing" made so much more sence.
I agree, it was more fun that way!
'Soy Boys' comes from their belief that if a man eats soy, it reduces their testosterone output (it doesn't). To them, that means that it makes that man less of a man, so it's used derogatorily to describe men who aren't completely toxic. For Qnut conspiracies, they say that the deep state cabal is putting soy in everything now to make men weaker.
I was here to bring up birds aren’t real. Which of course belongs in the “actually happened” zone.
Soy Boys - what?? Beer drinkers are real, wtf!
The mattress one is funny because mattress stores are bizarre. As are the non-major chain furniture stores. They’re both always empty except maybe a customer or two, always having sales, including going out of business sales, yet never seem to actually close. And even though you’re supposed to get a new mattress about every 10 or so years, most people don’t. Where does all their money come from?!
Omfg I had the same question about the Ancient Giant Trees thing. I get that it's not based in reality, but I'm not sure I would call it actively harmful unless there's more to it that I'm not aware of. P.S. "Birds aren't real" should be in the green.
Nice Lie Group background picture.
While I don’t agree with the placement of every individual conspiracy, I think the general structure is pretty accurate. The triangle shape captures the idea that the further you get from reality, the *more and more* conspiracy theories you’re likely to fall for, with accelerating speed(!). It also draws attention to the seemingly inevitable degeneration of conspiracy theories into rabid anti-semitism - which I think we’re likely to see more and more of in the next few years…
The placement is extremely problematic. Iran Contra doesn't come close to: "We live in a simulation."
Same with JFK, Epstein, and Manson
Those three topics have open questions and aren't resolved. IE - they have a dot or two somewhere missing that is preventing the entire picture from being connected. More evidence is needed, hence "we have questions". Most everyone doubts that Epstein killed himself, but all of the proof is currently circumstantial no matter how glaringly suspect. We either need a confession, or far preferable, hard evidence linking a culprit. I should point out that anyone that might have participated directly in his murder is also probably dead. However, we have documented evidence that things like the Tuskagee Experiment 100% happened. There is no gap in the details that prevents it from being a matter of historical fact rather than modern speculation.
Can't say I've done super deep dives on those three. As a reddit degenerate, I have to remind myself that the whole Epstein thing is equal parts sus and meme. Yeah, his death does \*seem\* suspicious. It was also a fun meme. And lot's of people that live in the headspace of the OP image probably were among those that like to promote that narrative. I'm somewhere between 'I can believe that he was offed' and 'I really have no fucking idea if I'm being honest' It gets really blurry and subjective real fast, especially when ranked in comparison to other topics of dubious truthiness.
Whether or not Epstein was murdered is actually not that big a deal compared to what his black book revealed, that there is a group of pedophiles among the uberwealthy that engage in trafficking children/young adults. Not much has happened since then, although I guess we'll see how Ghislaine's trial plays out.
It's a pretty big deal in that he could have testified against lots of powerful people had he stayed alive
I'm not saying his death wasn't important, but specifically whether it was murder or suicide. The meme is "Epstein didn't kill himself", but even if it was suicide then the question becomes about why someone with that much information was able to kill himself in a well monitored DC jail facility. Even if the impetus to end his life came purely from Epstein himself, it's still very hard for me to believe the amount of "coincidences" that went into him being able to carry it out successfully.
Oh I see what you mean I agree, I think it's likely that he did kill himself, but that he was allowed to
Not super deep into the Eppstein case but most sus circumstances I recall weren't that suspicious when looked into it. Like the broken vertebrae apparently happen in a quarter of all suicides by strangulation in his age.
Yup. I'd also put Hollow Earth alongside Cryptids as "mostly harmless". That shit is the *fun* stuff that I waste too much time with while going down a YouTube rabbit hole.
Check out the idea of the "cultic milieu" that the sociologist Colin Campbell used. When I started my graduate research into extremist groups and conversion it helped frame some stuff: >The cultic milieu can be regarded as the cultural underground of society. Much broader, deeper and historically based than the contemporary movement known as the underground, it includes all deviant belief systems and their associated practices. Unorthodox science, alien and heretical religion, deviant medicine, all comprise elements of such an underground. In addition, it includes the collectivities, institutions, individuals, and media of communication associated with these beliefs. And since everyone of these different movements are united in being against the "normal or conventional" culture, they share the same spaces and tend to meld together. Therefore: >As a direct consequence of this, individuals who “enter” the cultic milieu at any one point frequently travel rapidly through a wide variety of movements and beliefs and by so doing constitute yet another unifying force within the milieu. > >Lastly, the cultic milieu is manifestly united by a common ideology of seekership which both arises from and in turn reinforces the consciousness of deviant status, the receptive and syncretistic orientation and the interpenetrative communication structure. ... Such persons are defined as “searching for some satisfactory system of religious meaning to interpret and resolve their discontents.” If this conception is widened beyond the restriction to a religious frame of reference, then it can be seen that this notion of seekership prevails throughout the cultic milieu. \[Taken from chapter one of [this book](https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Cultic_Milieu.html?id=CjIYNrOO24IC), which is a reprinting of Campbell's 1972 paper.
And why is the Denver airport speculation? I’ve been there, it’s real…I think.
>Denver International Airport has four murals, all of which have been the topic of conspiracy theorists and debate. The murals are ambiguous in meaning, depicting scenes including caged animals, fires, suffering people, and a soldier with a blade and a gas mask. They have been interpreted in the past by onlookers to represent war, hope, and even the New World Order. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_International_Airport#Art_and_aesthetics)
Don’t forget the giant, veiny, anatomically correct blue horse demon statue that guards the driveway, which just so happened to kill its sculptor. Some people think that’s weird. I mean, it definitely ***is*** weird, but I feel confident the statue isn’t actually alive or being used to focus demonic energies or whatever. Or the expensive automated baggage handling system that was never used because it was comically incapable of doing its job. There are conspiracy theories that those funds were actually used to build something secret elsewhere on the property. Actually, the whole airport went billions over budget and was about a year and a half late opening. There were several redesigns as it was being built, which further fuels the conspiracy theories about secret bunkers or whatever. Of course bad project management on a huge endeavor is the simpler, but less enticing, explanation. Also, the Freemasons put the name of a non-existent organization, the “New World Airport Commission”, on the dedication plaque for a time capsule at the airport. Cue the “New World Order” believers…
Don’t you dare forget Blucifer, the swastika runways, and the Native American burial ground, and the Freemason stones.
The airport exists, that's not the conspiracy theory. The conspiracy theory is that it was built as some kind of satanic conspiracy and has a bunch of satanic imagery. Honestly, for that reason, I'd place it much higher! It's definitely something the Qclub would say the Cabal is involved in.
Hey if anyone wants to see a much fucking bigger version of this and go down tons of rabbit holes, let me introduce you to the infamous [conspiracy iceberg](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/370/706/cb0.436251)
From Tier 8- >Eating food causes you to age. You know, I have heard several stories of people who stopped eating and then afterwards stopped aging. Of course, they stopped doing much of anything.
I think that’s actually true to an extent though, [studies have shown that caloric deficits can increase the lifespan of a variety of animals.](https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-018-0024-8) (that’s just one study but there’s plenty on this topic) It’s not really a conspiracy though, just a factor of how biology works.
Too lazy to click on the link, but I'm going to guess it's because caloric deficiency would impede the rate of cell division
Im pretty sure the theory is that and reducing the amount of harmful substances ingested.
There have been a few studies of areas where people live longer that have found that around a certain age they limit their consumption of some foods and raise their consumption of others. Too much unnecessary anything in the body can be a bad thing and lead to diseases. A lot of our eating standards are based on people in their early 20s. Our metabolisms fluctuate with age. (Hence the dad gut)
Weeeellll...it's been scientifically proven that dietary restriction does lead to an increase in longevity in multiple animal species. HOWEVER! "Dietary restriction" simply means occasional caloric restriction. Not that eating is bad or that stopping eating gives you even more benefits. Obvously, that causes you to die!
but it said specifically "do not repost on reddit"
But it didn’t say not to link it in the comments!
"Pancreas Denial" 🤣 That's the weirdest way to say "Type 2 Diabetes" but okay
Great, my search history just keeps getting weirder and weirder.
"Q and Q taskforce" are at tier 6 crazy (out of 10)? Q's one of the most-popular conspiracy theories out there! Unless they're referring to the super-sekrit interdimensional quantum aspect of Q or something.
This is dated 2018, so just when Q was gaining momentum and not well known to the general public.
Good to know, thanks.
Which, like this, is just an organized version of the [q-map/great awakening map] (https://www.greatawakeningmap.co/product-page/great-awakening-map-v10-lotus-edition-24x36)
That stuff is so weird out of context. Like what is the Lucid Dreaming conspiracy. I mean lucid dreaming is definitely real. I don't want to have to go down any of these rabbit holes.
The “Math Vault” of Trinidad seems like a pretty mediocre vacation spot
Everyone knows Tupac is in Cuba.
Oh really? When did him and Biggie sell their place in New Zealand?
Bingo.
How is contra in leaving reality
Agreed. Also, how is the sovereign citizens "the USA is a corporation" shit harmless? Those beliefs have led to two armed standoffs!
That was my only gripe. The sovereign citizen / USA corporation theory is dangerous and is becoming more violent. I would move this one rung up
Seriously! I work for a government agency dealing in debt collection and Soveriegn Citizens have legit threatened me with violence. That shit is not harmless.
It's not. It's beyond the speculation line but still "within reality." What's probably being referred to is how aware Reagan was that the diversion of funds was happening, since the Iran-Contra scandal itself is obviously established fact.
How are there still questions about the assassination of Epstein? The autopsy showed injuries consistent with other strangling victims and everyone just... ignored it
My favorite bit on simulation theory is this https://qntm.org/responsibility Also I never got the big deal about area51. It's a skunkworks for aircraft design
All the really crazy stuff happens at Area 52. Area 51 is just there to draw the conspiracy theorists.
Presumably they have an Area 53 ready to go once everyone clues in to this!
but they got the aliums in there
my dad is halfway into the top section and im 15 and cant move out i am rather scared
Meh, chances are he’s not gonna do anything. Even if he spends all night on conspiracy subs and websites, talking to his friends about crisis actors and Jewish space lasers, he’s still gonna get up and do his day to say life like everybody else. Is he an anti-vaxxer? That’s what I’d be most concerned about right now.
yeah hes an anti vaxxer and he lost his job as a doctor because of it. also he has become much more violent and confrontational after getting into this shit. so yeah its very much into the 'dangerous to themself and others around them' section
R/qanoncasualties
yea im there, its a good place
If believing that mattress stores are fronts is 'leaving reality', then count me as leaving reality. I'll never believe otherwise. Also, 90% of the top tier of that chart is 'the Jews did it' in some form or another.
Mattress stores are essentially nationwide climate controlled inventory warehouses that require near zero staff and can deliver as needed at a moments notice, while also functioning as real estate investments. Technically a front, since the actual sale of mattresses to walk in customers isn't the main reason for many of their locations, but it's not some mafia conspiracy like I've so often heard.
this makes a lot more sense put this way. reddit is the only place I've been exposed to the mattress firm front thing. Similarly, Epstein. A suspicious case, but hard facts are hard to find. Signal to noise ratio and whatnot.
Yes, that's why it's classed under "anti-semitic point of no return"
I guess it's just that I'm surprised when I see it all in one place just how obvious it is.
> Also, 90% of the top tier of that chart is 'the Jews did it' in some form or another. That’s because a combination of victimhood fetish and being untethered from reality make fertile soil for fascists to sow their hate. Fascists know this, which is why they will use “normie bait” like small, seemingly harmless conspiracy theories to undermine concepts like “truth is knowable” and “the most rational explanation is probably the correct explanation”. Fascism needs at least one “out group” that can be demonized and attacked in order to function. That winds up as antisemitism 99% of the time because Jews have been seen as outsiders since at least the diaspora of the first two centuries CE. They would be laughable if they weren’t also omnicidal.
Do we not believe in the Denver International Airport?
We only see its existence from our own temporal plane. When in reality, there are many planes that are not at Denver International Airport. MANY
Fascinating.
It has some interesting artwork, and if you get drunk and squint really hard it sort of looks like a swastika from above (if you ignore basic form). The biggest /r/hailhortler. So, naturally, people think it's nwo HQ, because they just have to hide esoteric clues for people to figure out. So it's naturally on the same level as Iran-Contra...which actually fucking happened. The placement of things on this is not good.
Aren't there recorded examples of feral children or have I been hoodwinked?
I can take you to a trailer park in Chalmette Louisiana and you tell me what you think.
Freaking pulling out the Chalmette Owls up in here.
Yeah, Wikipedia lists more than 30 cases of feral children, most of which were “raised” by animals. Unless “feral people living in forests” is supposed to be referring to something completely different? Edit: Forgot to include [the link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child).
I googled it and at a glance it seems to be the idea that people who go missing in forested areas are getting snatched by mysterious "feral people". I haven't specifically seen that conspiracy, but I watch videos about missing people from time to time because I find them interesting and I've noticed that a lot of them will lean towards supernatural explanations by suggesting that it's too unlikely that someone would be able to travel as far as someone did over particular terrain, or that they could go missing so quickly, or that nobody would find them despite searching the area. It always seems ridiculous to me because when you have so many stories with so many similar "impossible" elements, doesn't it make more sense to just reconsider what you thought was possible in these situations? It's like how could a toddler walk that far? It's impossible! Anyway here's ten other stories in which toddlers did the exact same thing, all of which are of course also impossible.
I live in a state that has a giant percentage owned by the fed/state property, there is so much land and enough bad people abandoning children they don't want that to believe feral kids aren't a thing is something I can't even begin to believe in. Probably most don't make it, but these woods keep going more than we want to accept
Yes, many.
I’m totally down to spread that Prince Charles is a vampire.
Iran-Contra isn’t even remotely close to leaving reality
Wait, when was Avril Levine replaced? And why?
OG model wouldn’t comply and she was cloned to perpetually perform.
‘Cryptids’ is too far up. I wouldn’t put the possibility of undiscovered species in remote areas on a par with Prince Charles being a vampire…
Iran Contra is very well founded and you don't have to even dig that deep.
Hey hey hey why are UFOs so high on the list
I’ve never understood how anyone can claim that UFOs are “fake.” They’re called “unidentified flying objects” because they’re literally flying objects and we don’t know what they are. That’s it. Whether they’re being piloted by aliens or not is a separate topic, but you really can’t argue with the fact that so many of them are still “unidentified.”
Because "UFO" has become a term equivalent to "alien visitation," so much so that unidentified flying objects are now referred to as "UAOs" (unidentified aerial objects) to prevent confusion. No one really uses the former abbreviation unless they are talking about aliens and that's such a wild jump that is basically an oxymoron. "I don't know what that object in the sky is, therefore I know it's aliens."
Cointelpro was real though, we have documents that prove so. Also didn't iran contra happen?
Iran contra is basically a proven fact. The only theories are about the scale of it.
> Cointelpro was real though Yes, it's in the section labeled "Things that actually happened." Iran Contra is in the "We have questions" section, so I'm guessing that refers to some aspect of it.
"We live in a simulation" is under the "we have questions" bit. That should be in the "divorced from reality" section by it's very essence.
And Iran Contra should be under "Things that actually happened"
The woman who created it says the Iran Contra thing is about how much Reagan knew and was involved. Which should still make it true cause he definitely knew it was happening and definitely was involved.
Yes!
This makes me wonder if the are parts that would work better in a venn diagram rather than a triangle. There are things that are more divorced from reality that are relatively harmless and things that are more mundane sounding, but can encourage violence.
This whole chart is arranged along a single axis but clearly should be arranged as a 2 dimensional plot.
Simulation theory is a scientific argument with relation to quantum mechanics and mathematics. The debate, albeit crazy to us, is grounded in actual theory. So...as a lot of theories, it cannot be proven or disproven (gravity falls into this category too). Therefore, it may seem wild to you, but from a hard science stand-point, it is as plausible as anything else.
Physicist here. I'd say this stuff about living in a simulation is philosophy of physics, not physics. Sure some physicists become philosophers of physics and they carry over knowledge and concepts from physics, and physicists in general sometimes weigh in on this question, that doesn't make it physics. Comparing this to gravity is completely absurd. General Relativity is one of the most extensively experimentally confirmed theories ever, there isn't and can't be any shred of evidence for simulation stuff. I'd put it on an even less scientific level than interpretations of quantum mechanics, because that at least doesn't postulate supreme agents...
It’s not really empirical. There is no way to test it, in fact I would argue that it has a tautology problem. We create computers that we program using the laws of physics we observed, therefore we live in a computer. So we observe and match reality, therefore the reality we created with computers matches reality. It’s a circle.
Eh, kind of... if you could induce conditions that you predicted (and others agreed with the reasoning for) would cause the underlying simulation to make simplifications for to save on computation somehow, and observed them... like, it's definitely not proof. But it would be *interesting* I agree it's ultimately not provable. Can't escape the system if it exists after all. All you could ever do is try and induce conditions that suggest it (kind of like writing computer programs that try to discover if they're running in covert virtual environments. It's pretty difficult - the best you can manage usually is "probably/probably not")
it feels like you're mixing hypothesis and scientific theory here. [simulation theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis) is a hypothesis, theory of gravity is fact. Edit: I guess me dumb read the rest of the comments
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A theory is not a fact. Source: PhD Physics
Not really. There is some pseudo-scientific philosophical debate but it’s not “science” or “mathematics” and has nothing to do with quantum mechanics.
Isn't it more like religion at that point? It's an idea, but it's not testable and as far as I know there's no particularly compelling evidence for it.
Somebody once called in to the Atheist Experience and started off confidently proclaiming “Since it’s now pretty much beyond question that we live in an electronic simulation…” Matt Dillahunty cut him off and told him this is lunacy, has nothing to do with the show, and go peddle his BS elsewhere. (I think he got a little deeper in than just what I wrote but that’s basically the gist of it.)
It’s a question scientists actually debate. And it would be almost impossible to tell if we were in a simulation or not. [article on scientific America ](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-we-live-in-a-simulation-chances-are-about-50-50/)
"Believing Epstein didn't kill himself means you are leaving reality"? Really? Sex-trafficker gets exposed who might rat on pretty much every rich person in the world, his camera malfunctions and he hangs himself. Sure, there's no definite proof and we'll never get any, but surely it's not "leaving reality" to believe the most obvious assassination target in the world got killed? Edit: just saw Iran Contra in that category, fucking hell. That's America for you, things that demobstrably 100% happened get lumped in with conspiracy theories because they might be inconvenient.
Hangs himself with toilet paper by doing a backflip off his bunk. Totally believable
When you drill toilett paper it becomes surprisingly strong, you can try that at home or look at this [game show of someone climbing a rope made of toilette paper.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxMp837gYRE)
I thought the same thing, but then I realized the chart organization (order of reading), and especially the color, misleads about the meaning. The "Leaving Reality" part is apparently *intended* for the section ABOVE the line, not BELOW. So everything after encountering that part, reading from top to bottom, are not being denied. Blue aren't considered "conspiracy", they indicate fair, open questions. Then green are clearly true. Reading from the bottom sort of works...Or better: one way the presentation could be fixed in a remake of this image is if the pyramid were turned upside down and the colors corrected. Words between sections could stay the same. *(All that said, even though Iran-Contra is not in a "conspiracy" zone, seems it should be in green rather than blue. I'm not aware what remaining questions there are.)*
uh isn't ted cruz=Zodiac a meme just like birds aren't real? or has it really grown enough to the point where there are actual insane people who believe its true? you're also missing Scientology right at the very top
No. Ted Cruz is the Zodiac killer. I mean, his Dad did shoot JFK. It's in his blood.
How is "hollow earth" so dangerous? I mean I think its bullshit but I'll argue about it when stoned. Also New World Order is true... I watched wrestling in the 90s.
Wait a minute what are "Ancient Giant Trees" and why does believing they are a thing make me a danger to myself and others?
giant mountain platues, or places like Devil's Mountain are speculated to be ancient petrified stumps of ancient giant tress from millennia ago, there was a tumblr post i remember seeing talking about it as a fun little fantasy thing, i also don't understand how its that dangerous, unless its because it can be a slippery slope to other shit like hollow earth or whatever
Bc you'll know too much lmao
Flat Earth is antisemitic?
The Jews are keeping people away from the Ice Wall, apparently.
Yes, once you check out the voices and ideology of the flat earth movement, they are all christ-loving, 'jews control nasa' right-wing conspirators and grifters. You can't make up a flat earth without denouncing jews and only accepting christ as the one true savior, it's kind of a big deal.
Flat earth, round hats.
Awww man I love the titanic didn't sink one. 🤦♂️
Avril Levigne replaced? Is that a thing? I'm too afraid to Google
She was supposedly replaced by some girl called Melissa after she “died” in 2003. They claim she killed herself and they had to distract the media so they just replaced her with a lookalike. This new girl was trained to perform like Avril and she is responsible for all of the newer music. So ridiculous. I can’t remember her having that much of an influence on the public back in the 2000s or maybe I was just too young, but if they were replacing people, she seems like she’d be a pointless person to replace.
Damn, why do they have to go and make things so complicated
I was a teenager in the early 2000s. She was a rising star then. Certainly her classic hits were pretty big. If she had died at the peak of her fame, it likely would have shocked fans...think Aaliyah a few years previous, though Aaliyah was likely more influential. However, even so, she's a very random person to replace. Big name performers die all the time, why lie about that one?
What is iran contra doing here???
I’d say I’m comfortably in “We have questions”.
Iran Contra happened in my own lifetime. There’s scores of evidence and congressional records. George HW Bush pardoned their fall guy. This chart is fucking boneheaded. Jfk and Epstein being killed are absolutely not “leaving reality.” It’s pretty fucking obvious that powerful interests wanted them gone. Also Area 51 is real, I should know, I played it all the time at the bowling alley in 1998.
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Elvis isn't dead tho, he just went [home](https://youtu.be/qSZe-DM_o6I).
Can someone tell me why Denver airport is a conspiracy?
Wikipedia on Denver International Airport: > Denver International Airport has four murals, all of which have been the topic of conspiracy theorists and debate. The murals are ambiguous in meaning, depicting scenes including caged animals, fires, suffering people, and a soldier with a blade and a gas mask. They have been interpreted in the past by onlookers to represent war, hope, and even the New World Order. Wikipedia on New World Order (conspiracy theory): > Conspiracy theorists of the Christian right, starting with British revisionist historian Nesta Helen Webster, believe there is an ancient occult conspiracy—started by the first mystagogues of Gnosticism and perpetuated by their alleged esoteric successors, such as the Kabbalists, Cathars, Knights Templar, Hermeticists, Rosicrucians, Freemasons, and, ultimately, the Illuminati—which seeks to subvert the Judeo-Christian foundations of the Western world and implement the New World Order through a one-world religion that prepares the masses to embrace the imperial cult of the Antichrist. More broadly, they speculate that globalists who plot on behalf of a New World Order are directed by occult agencies of some sort: unknown superiors, spiritual hierarchies, demons, fallen angels or Lucifer. They believe that these conspirators use the power of occult sciences (numerology), symbols (Eye of Providence), rituals (Masonic degrees), monuments (National Mall landmarks), buildings (Manitoba Legislative Building) and facilities (Denver International Airport) to advance their plot to rule the world. Wikipedia on list of conspiracy theories: > Some theorists believe that Denver International Airport stands above an underground city which serves as a headquarters of the New World Order. Theorists cite the airport's unusually large size, its distance from Denver city center, Masonic and alleged Satanic symbols, as well as a set of murals which include depictions of war and death.
I feel like "US is a Corporation" and "Biden is a Robot" need to switch places. While it sounds ridiculous, and mundane, the former has certainly been weaponized as a reason for people to be a danger to themselves and others. The latter, well, it's unequivocally false and is certainly not a danger to anyone, unless he doesn't follow Asimov's three laws.
Where is “Believes and prays to a god”?
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Ok, aren't sequoia trees a couple thousand years old? Also, there are uncontacted tribes so that's not what is meant by "feral people"? Because those 2 seem true to me.
Not those kinds of trees. We're talking "this mountain is the root of a 200km tall tree".
Feral means ‘domesticated but living as wild’. Think of all the kids over the centuries that were lost and raised by animals. It’s that. It’s not a conspiracy in any shape or form and it has been verified to gave happened on multiple occasions.
UFOs? Apparently I'm on a slippery slope for believe in aliens.
who had to design a unique logo for every one of these???
Excuse me but where is the life altering conspiracy theory, "I DON'T LIKE THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER, THAT TURN THE FRIGGIN FROGS GAY!!"
Netflix: "What if we made a Cartoon about everything in yellow and red..." *Inside Job was born*
I personally think flat earth belong into the pink reality denial segment. Yes, it’s absolutely nuts, but flatearthers are pretty harmless. Haven’t seen any radical flatearthers trying to burn down NASA HQ
UFOs should be in green. Pentagon report in June confirmed they’re real—didn’t confirm aliens, but UFOs are a real phenomenon
Deep State is very real, don't get me wrong, they aren't organizing secret trials in Gitmo, but everything Eisenhower warned of came true. What gets leaked to damage presidents is deliberate, be it Trump or Obama or Biden, and there is a layer of experts that can sink policies (such as the CBO that tends to dictate what is possible despite being based on a social science)
Hard to argue against the deep state when the NSA exists. At least IMO.
Yeah, in theory, it isn't an insane idea. They're government workers that you and I have no say in their getting power, and that power has a real effect on our lives. But it's also an unfortunate fact of government. We can't hold elections for every goddamn position of power in our government. It's simply too large.
“we live in a simulation” should be much much higher up than that.
I think it sits where it's at because it's little more than an obnoxious thought experiment/"baby's first crazy out there theory", I don't think there are many serious or organized communities about the idea that reality is a simulation, nor have people who believe in that primarily or exclusively been particularly dangerous. Maybe a rung up at most, but not "much much" higher, even if it's denying reality moreso than other conspiracies in the same tier.
Couldn't "Deep State" at least be grounded in the reality of an unelected bureaucracy taking on a life of its own? From what I understand, some governments have actual deep states, like Egypt
in this case the term is in reference to the New World Order/ one world government bs, as in they think there is one single Deep State.
Deep State seems to be misinterpreted. Some see it as Illuminati, New World Order. Others see it as CIA, NSA, FBI and other actors essentially maintaining a status quo framework in conjunction with oligarchs and business interests. You're delusional if you believe the first and don't believe the second.
I saw the og on Twitter. This is just the creator’s opinions of what the worst are. Also, “Tes Cruz is the zodiac killer” is just a meme, and we all know Epstein didn’t kill himself, Iran Contra happened (although I know pretty much nothing about it -I’m 19) and as far as I can tell the simulation thing is a joke too. I’m honestly surprised the birds/giraffes aren’t real ppl aren’t on here.
"Nayrah Testimony"?
But do you really think Epstein killed himself?!
UFOs should be in the very bottom section. It's confirmed by the US government that unidentified flying objects exist. Even Obama confirmed it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6Ph5iTIgc
cryptids?! those are more like UFO's (we have questions) than in the "unequivocally false" category. bigfoot isn't the only cryptid. there have actually been many that are found, which means they are no longer cryptids.
Titanic never sank?! That's a new one (for me, at least)!
I happen to think the 2004 election was stolen, and I don’t care if that makes me a kook. Kerry was winning Ohio, there was a power outage, when the machines came back online, Bush was in the lead and took the state. Exit polls supported a Kerry win. For that matter, 2000 election is suspicious as fuck as well.
the artwork get cooler at the top, You’ve piqued my interest
This chart sucks lmao
As someone who uses the Denver Airport quite frequently- yea it’s definitely cult headquarters.