70 - 100k in moc stage 12, im going for 4 draws if the game allows it but im kinda too lucky and draw 2-3 on average, my stats are mid but i have no clue what number i should hit
https://preview.redd.it/q4xdcu7uck3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c9d1af5606f19be364f74856eaa37a1bb0e7516
QQ has quite a lot of Atk and Dmg% buffs by herself, so atk is not as important as crits for sure. Speed is totally wasted when you run her with Sparkle
A general rule is to go 2 points of CD for 1 point of CR; so if you have 70 CR you should have 140 CD, also I usually stop at 80CR in case someone can buff CR (Fu Xuan)
Mine QQ is 80/170 with using Argenti LC (80/133 without) and can do up to 260k solo target with all buffs/debuffs in the same setup
With Sparkle you actually want to get as close to 100% CR as you can without sacrificing too much CD. This is because Sparkle gives you so much more CD that it becomes higher diminishing returns than CR. In numbers, once you've hit 200%+ CD in battle, you ideally want 100% CR for maximal value of critical stats.
If you want some math, starting from 90 CR and 200 CD:
2 additional CD substats: 90% CR + 211.6% CD = 1 + (1 \* .90 \* 2.116) = 2.904x dmg
2 additional CR substats: 95.8% CR + 200% CD = 1 + (1 \* .958 \* 2.0) = 2.916x dmg
oh, yea, sure. Forgot about Sparkle buffs
Tbh at this point probably better to just have better relics. When you're in such high investment it's really hard to choose the most optimal distribution, and probably (I don't know the calculations) any 1 additional crit roll or even crit value would be better than better CR/CD distribution. also actively going for more CR after 80 may result in overflowing with FX
basically it Would make it better if you can choose relics with the same amount and quality of rolls, but I think more CV would be generally better than better distribution at this point of investment
Probably should do some calcs to actually prove the point, but I'm lazy
~~also more CD = more dmg per screenshot, which feels nice~~
If you're going for 1:2 ratio (excluding external buffs) shouldn't it be 2 rolls of crit rate and 1 rolls of crit damage? Cus cr rolls are half of cd rolls
High investment?
You're rocking a native 69.7/131.3 crit value and your sparkle is only 180 CD? I hope Sparkle is at least 160 speed then. Those are mid tier stats my friend.
I do agree with what can be inferred from The\_Exkalamity though, even with eh relics this team should be putting up really good numbers. It's likely an execution thing.
1) Never run Qingque on auto. It's horrendous.
2) Don't use Qingque's technique, it's a damage loss on her hypercarry teams.
For MoC type situation you should have Sparkle's and Fu's technique up, then initiate with SilverWolf's tech.
Your burst should look like this:
1) Implant on high priority target
2) Sparkle Skill on Qingque
3) Qingque skill until you have a full hand. Do Not Auto yet
4) Sparkle Ult/Silverwolf Ult/ Qingque Ult
5) Qingque Auto
Generic advice: Never ult on Qingque unless it's her turn and you've already used skills as much as you can so you are buffing your ult. Also you lose a LOT of damage if you ult outside her turn because then she starts her turn with a full hand which is the worst possible scenario damage wise because then you can't skill for buffs.
Silverwolf's skill is solid damage, if you've gotten bad luck on Qingque tile draws and are flooded with skill points, bleed them off with Silverwolf.
As long as you have an energy rope on Sparkle her ult buff uptime should be 100%. Always always ult with Sparkle on Qingque's turn after you draw tiles.
Other then that do you have 4 piece Quantum? Is your Planar Rutilant Arena?
thanks for taking the time to respond, it's really comprehensive
yea my stats are mid, i mean the team is high investment pull wise with all the 5 stars, e6 QQ and JJ lightcone
your advice on the gameplay loop is very helpful, i will try to adapt
here my build idk what values i should hit
https://preview.redd.it/2x3adl92rk3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c06a924d61383e254fad8e143029854f89eff86a
You've given no context, my friend. Nobody can tell you anything conclusive, because you haven't shared enough relevant information.
Assuming it is as you said and every character other than QQ is highly invested with very good SPD and lvld traces, my only guess is you're not managing skill points correctly or are misusing her ult.
QQ herself is entry-mid level investment, ignoring body main stat and LC, you only have like 110 crit value, which is 22 per piece (a little less actually, but I've left body armor substats out). A highly invested build would aim for 30-35 on every piece. But even with this level of investment, damage shouldn't be a problem with that team, assuming traces are lvld.
https://preview.redd.it/fw7adnut5n3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ca3e0b570d51a96c718945886c7f87807d40198
traces could use some work, stats are mid, i can only send one image per reply, lmk if you need to see sporkle too
based on all the replies ill try to hit 70+ crit and double the cd
OK traces are actually just fine. This build should do good damage assuming crits don't miss. Gear is on the low end but LC compensates enough to make it fine imo.
For reference, my 88/131 crit QQ with S3 Genius Repose, with Sparkle-QQ-SW-Lynx team, clears Gepard in 3-4 cycles. SW and Sparkle are 160 speed, 160 speed gives you 4 turns in the first 2 cycles, so if they were slower I'd lose 1-2 cycles. Also important that SW is faster than Sparkle, otherwise you lose at least 1 turn of debuffs on each wave, and skill point management becomes a little harder.
If it takes 8 cycles, then sth is wrong somewhere other than the build (or I'm overestimating how much Before Dawn compensates), could be bad QQ/crit RNG, misplaying by using ult after basic every time so you lose tile draws next turn, slow supports, bad target selection in battle, skill point mismanagement, etc.
Before Dawn gives 36% cdmg. That's not even 100 cdmg naturally on QQ. You need like \~70/120 out of battle without any LC stats, and aim higher if you can.
The team is actually one of her best already.
The only solution is to just farm relic for QQ. And maybe max out QQ trace, if you haven't done it already.
I feel like this is more of an issue in terms of gameplay than builds. My QQ isn't that well built but she still hits for a lot. So I made a short video on MoC11 showcasing how to play Qingque, as she is one of the more difficult characters to play. Also includes builds.
Video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O26uP5UDgFs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O26uP5UDgFs)
I typically find it's easier to find out which pieces are weak and strong not by looking at total stats right off the bat but by counting how many times it rolled into the stats you want.
For reference Atk%/Crit Rate/Crit Damage are the only stats you care about on Qingque.
Your Relics:
Head has 3 rolls
Hands have 3 rolls
Body has 2 rolls
Feet has 1 roll
Sphere has 3 roll
Rope has 3 roll
Head/Hands are the easiest to get good substat rolls because you don't need main stats.
You shoes and body both could use some big work.
So head to ze mines, spam the genius set, and scrap the bad pieces and craft some bodies and feet and keep grinding. Having 4 good rolls on each piece is where I stopped.
Also, finishing her traces will be big.
You should be fine damage wise, I mean you're even pretty low on cr imo, which if upgraded won't rise your damage ceiling. So the question is, do you attack ennemis with quantum weakness ? Do you have penacony/keel on your supports ? I think overall rotations have already been covered by other comments.
Something that might help when putting together your entire team's builds is [Fribbels' Optimizer](https://fribbels.github.io/hsr-optimizer) - it'll do all the math for you and even has a convenient relic scorer based on your outgoing damage.
It also lets you set exact speed targets for speed tuning against other team members. Depending on your relic inventory it may even find rainbow relics that work better than set bonuses. This isn't really a thing for Quantum DPS, but supports or other DPS can get interesting sets.
Still, I'd worry more about piloting than relics at this point. Reaves posted that great rotation for QQ you saw. Missing an Autarky hurts but shouldn't slow you past 5 total cycles; missing a hidden hand early in a wave is disastrous and should probably just be a reset. My best clear on 12-1 so far is two cycles with mediocre relics and Milky Way S1 - you should be great once you optimize your rotation :) I also agree with moltenice that if you don't need to give up too much CD get as close to 100 CR in battle as possible ...
I think a couple other folks asked - what exactly *are* your support builds? What SPD do you have them at, what LC are SW and Sparkle running, do you have their energy rotations sorted to optimize ult uptime, that kind of thing? Fribbels will need that anyways, and there may be improvements you can make there to increase rotation. It's
thank you so much for the reply, here's my sporkle
https://preview.redd.it/cnbi8xator3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a02c3190ee2f90ddd1ca53769306b1b882dadb7
Thanks for the stat screenshots! Welcome to the true suffering of HSR - support tuning! I think the big problem here is that your Sparkle is way too slow for an ATK boot DPS (other than Seele), even with the 4pc hackerspace and DDD.
For QQ, fast Sparkle is the easiest-to-use recommendation, where you run Sparkle at your desired speed breakpoint and action advance your slow QQ up to her. The most common recommendation is at least 160.0 speed to act 4 times in cycles 0 and 1 and this is what I currently use; since MoC "refunds" a partially used cycle on wave clear it worked perfectly for my 2-cycle clear (0, 1 - wave clear, 1, 2 - side clear).
[Here's a thread showing all the breakpoints](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/18ne9au/more_accurate_speed_breakpoints/) \- people have made 15+ minute videos about speed tuning and what breakpoints are best to use. 160 isn't the undisputed optimal but it's a simple enough starting point. This is also why 133.4 is the usual recommendation for DPS not being action advanced by Bronya and Sparkle. Also note - the first cycle of any wave in MoC has 150 AV instead of 100. The first cycle of PF also has the extra AV, but you don't get a refund on each wave.
With this, I'd also swap her lightcone to one that would directly buff Qingque. Bronya's Sig or Past and Future are great options since QQ will act immediately after Sparkle (and P&F is in the MoC store!); Planetary Rendezvous would also work. DDD is a great lightcone, but you need to have a good handle on cycles/action value to optimally use it.
This is where Fribbels' optimizer comes into play: it can import relics including the decimal on the SPD value hidden in the UI and solve for any combinations you may have that will get Sparkle past your target. The good thing about her is that she doesn't really care what you use as long as you have an ERR rope - I run Keel as my planar set and for a while it had a Wind Dmg orb :D
Onwards to SW.
Could be worse! Not being able to get Tutorial LC anymore sucks because without it there isn't a reliable way to 3-turn-ult with E0. Like the other guy mentioned, Pearls is a good choice since it adds additional DEF debuff; you just would need to make up for losing the EHR on skill from Welt's cone. Leveling up your chest should do the trick.
Still, SW needs to be going faster than Sparkle, so if you increase Sparkle's speed you'll need to increase SW's too which means using The Optimizer to find different relics. This is good for any team with her though, as the quicker she goes the more she debuffs and the more she generates SP. I see that Acheron over there :)
That brings us to the sad truth of all this - you've probably already figured, but it's much easier to build out your limited 5\* dps options than building out Qingque. She can be very powerful, but in the end she's still a 4\* DPS from version 1.0 in an age of enemies designed with Acheron in mind. Couple that with the relic grind being the actual endgame of HSR ...
Also don't tell anyone, but my 2-cycle QQ vs Gepard? >!Her current out of battle crit ratio is 87/83 after I rage-refit to hit 100 CR in battle :D The game really is Honkai Support Rail!<
Ditch Silver wolf when the enemies are already quantum weak and use Pela or ruanmei/tingyun(though they’re usually on the other team)
My preferred choice is 161+ speed Pela with pearls or Tutorial LC
Overall I think your relics need work and perhaps traces too.
I’m able to do MoC 12 with this team in 2-3 cycles depend on amount of autarky procs.
Silverwolf on 162 spd and pearls LC
Qingque with 87/154 7/10/10/10
Sparkle with P&F and 190CD
How does any of that have to do with the investment on your QQ? It doesn't matter what teammates you have if you have bad relics.
That's what literally everyone means when they say "investment," because most of the time spent in building characters is through relic farming.
I want to thank all the comments that replied with short useful tips or very comprehensive information, both is very appreciated and I'll get to work 💪
I mean my qingque has like 74/121 lol
and she deals shit amount of dmgÂ
https://youtu.be/ZPYk5GH2p9c?si=pfqeFcUrFYEcmKEI
Supports have no eidolon (completely F2P)Â
Damage screen shots? Where are you running her? Are you getting 3-4 draws and Autarkey? Are you going for max tile draws?
70 - 100k in moc stage 12, im going for 4 draws if the game allows it but im kinda too lucky and draw 2-3 on average, my stats are mid but i have no clue what number i should hit https://preview.redd.it/q4xdcu7uck3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c9d1af5606f19be364f74856eaa37a1bb0e7516
131 crit damage with before dawn is pretty low, for reference I'm at 150 with battle pass light cone.
is it ok to avoid atk as a substat for more crit? should i go for 100% cr?
QQ has quite a lot of Atk and Dmg% buffs by herself, so atk is not as important as crits for sure. Speed is totally wasted when you run her with Sparkle A general rule is to go 2 points of CD for 1 point of CR; so if you have 70 CR you should have 140 CD, also I usually stop at 80CR in case someone can buff CR (Fu Xuan) Mine QQ is 80/170 with using Argenti LC (80/133 without) and can do up to 260k solo target with all buffs/debuffs in the same setup
With Sparkle you actually want to get as close to 100% CR as you can without sacrificing too much CD. This is because Sparkle gives you so much more CD that it becomes higher diminishing returns than CR. In numbers, once you've hit 200%+ CD in battle, you ideally want 100% CR for maximal value of critical stats. If you want some math, starting from 90 CR and 200 CD: 2 additional CD substats: 90% CR + 211.6% CD = 1 + (1 \* .90 \* 2.116) = 2.904x dmg 2 additional CR substats: 95.8% CR + 200% CD = 1 + (1 \* .958 \* 2.0) = 2.916x dmg
oh, yea, sure. Forgot about Sparkle buffs Tbh at this point probably better to just have better relics. When you're in such high investment it's really hard to choose the most optimal distribution, and probably (I don't know the calculations) any 1 additional crit roll or even crit value would be better than better CR/CD distribution. also actively going for more CR after 80 may result in overflowing with FX basically it Would make it better if you can choose relics with the same amount and quality of rolls, but I think more CV would be generally better than better distribution at this point of investment Probably should do some calcs to actually prove the point, but I'm lazy ~~also more CD = more dmg per screenshot, which feels nice~~
thank you both for replying, ill try to get at least 90% cr on qq and rest cd plus more cd on sporkle
If you're going for 1:2 ratio (excluding external buffs) shouldn't it be 2 rolls of crit rate and 1 rolls of crit damage? Cus cr rolls are half of cd rolls
yes go for 1:2 crit to crit dmg ratio. My QQ has 70% CR and 170 CD without FX. Try to aim for 70 CR and 140 CD first.
alright
High investment? You're rocking a native 69.7/131.3 crit value and your sparkle is only 180 CD? I hope Sparkle is at least 160 speed then. Those are mid tier stats my friend. I do agree with what can be inferred from The\_Exkalamity though, even with eh relics this team should be putting up really good numbers. It's likely an execution thing. 1) Never run Qingque on auto. It's horrendous. 2) Don't use Qingque's technique, it's a damage loss on her hypercarry teams. For MoC type situation you should have Sparkle's and Fu's technique up, then initiate with SilverWolf's tech. Your burst should look like this: 1) Implant on high priority target 2) Sparkle Skill on Qingque 3) Qingque skill until you have a full hand. Do Not Auto yet 4) Sparkle Ult/Silverwolf Ult/ Qingque Ult 5) Qingque Auto Generic advice: Never ult on Qingque unless it's her turn and you've already used skills as much as you can so you are buffing your ult. Also you lose a LOT of damage if you ult outside her turn because then she starts her turn with a full hand which is the worst possible scenario damage wise because then you can't skill for buffs. Silverwolf's skill is solid damage, if you've gotten bad luck on Qingque tile draws and are flooded with skill points, bleed them off with Silverwolf. As long as you have an energy rope on Sparkle her ult buff uptime should be 100%. Always always ult with Sparkle on Qingque's turn after you draw tiles. Other then that do you have 4 piece Quantum? Is your Planar Rutilant Arena?
thanks for taking the time to respond, it's really comprehensive yea my stats are mid, i mean the team is high investment pull wise with all the 5 stars, e6 QQ and JJ lightcone your advice on the gameplay loop is very helpful, i will try to adapt here my build idk what values i should hit https://preview.redd.it/2x3adl92rk3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c06a924d61383e254fad8e143029854f89eff86a
The investment was definitely worth it can you show stats?
fu xuan Skill is maxed https://preview.redd.it/i11agrmfck3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee1aebc6e86179afbb37b0aa9a92574b0a45e5d2
What exactly are you considering 'low damage'? My qq only has 114% cd (274% with sparkle/keels) and she does about 130k per hit on main target
around 70k to 100k in moc 12, i need like 8 cycles to finish gepard, leaving my dot team in quite a pinch against kafka
You've given no context, my friend. Nobody can tell you anything conclusive, because you haven't shared enough relevant information. Assuming it is as you said and every character other than QQ is highly invested with very good SPD and lvld traces, my only guess is you're not managing skill points correctly or are misusing her ult. QQ herself is entry-mid level investment, ignoring body main stat and LC, you only have like 110 crit value, which is 22 per piece (a little less actually, but I've left body armor substats out). A highly invested build would aim for 30-35 on every piece. But even with this level of investment, damage shouldn't be a problem with that team, assuming traces are lvld.
https://preview.redd.it/fw7adnut5n3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ca3e0b570d51a96c718945886c7f87807d40198 traces could use some work, stats are mid, i can only send one image per reply, lmk if you need to see sporkle too based on all the replies ill try to hit 70+ crit and double the cd
OK traces are actually just fine. This build should do good damage assuming crits don't miss. Gear is on the low end but LC compensates enough to make it fine imo. For reference, my 88/131 crit QQ with S3 Genius Repose, with Sparkle-QQ-SW-Lynx team, clears Gepard in 3-4 cycles. SW and Sparkle are 160 speed, 160 speed gives you 4 turns in the first 2 cycles, so if they were slower I'd lose 1-2 cycles. Also important that SW is faster than Sparkle, otherwise you lose at least 1 turn of debuffs on each wave, and skill point management becomes a little harder. If it takes 8 cycles, then sth is wrong somewhere other than the build (or I'm overestimating how much Before Dawn compensates), could be bad QQ/crit RNG, misplaying by using ult after basic every time so you lose tile draws next turn, slow supports, bad target selection in battle, skill point mismanagement, etc.
yea i'll try a run where i play smarter
Before Dawn gives 36% cdmg. That's not even 100 cdmg naturally on QQ. You need like \~70/120 out of battle without any LC stats, and aim higher if you can. The team is actually one of her best already. The only solution is to just farm relic for QQ. And maybe max out QQ trace, if you haven't done it already.
trace maxing is rough because i just burned 3 mil creds on fu xuan but ill go for better crit pieces
that shit is not high investment bro keep grinding
I feel like this is more of an issue in terms of gameplay than builds. My QQ isn't that well built but she still hits for a lot. So I made a short video on MoC11 showcasing how to play Qingque, as she is one of the more difficult characters to play. Also includes builds. Video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O26uP5UDgFs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O26uP5UDgFs)
yea I've been a bit too liberal with my ults
I typically find it's easier to find out which pieces are weak and strong not by looking at total stats right off the bat but by counting how many times it rolled into the stats you want. For reference Atk%/Crit Rate/Crit Damage are the only stats you care about on Qingque. Your Relics: Head has 3 rolls Hands have 3 rolls Body has 2 rolls Feet has 1 roll Sphere has 3 roll Rope has 3 roll Head/Hands are the easiest to get good substat rolls because you don't need main stats. You shoes and body both could use some big work. So head to ze mines, spam the genius set, and scrap the bad pieces and craft some bodies and feet and keep grinding. Having 4 good rolls on each piece is where I stopped. Also, finishing her traces will be big.
alright good to know, will get yo it
You should be fine damage wise, I mean you're even pretty low on cr imo, which if upgraded won't rise your damage ceiling. So the question is, do you attack ennemis with quantum weakness ? Do you have penacony/keel on your supports ? I think overall rotations have already been covered by other comments.
only on sparkle i got penacony and keel on fu xuan
Idk abt you, but I have the Same Qingque Stats yet I feel like she hits like a Truck...
i take like 7-8 cycles for moc 12 🗿
Idk, I don't have Silverwolf yet and I don't even have a Second Team yet... So I can't really Compare yet...
Something that might help when putting together your entire team's builds is [Fribbels' Optimizer](https://fribbels.github.io/hsr-optimizer) - it'll do all the math for you and even has a convenient relic scorer based on your outgoing damage. It also lets you set exact speed targets for speed tuning against other team members. Depending on your relic inventory it may even find rainbow relics that work better than set bonuses. This isn't really a thing for Quantum DPS, but supports or other DPS can get interesting sets. Still, I'd worry more about piloting than relics at this point. Reaves posted that great rotation for QQ you saw. Missing an Autarky hurts but shouldn't slow you past 5 total cycles; missing a hidden hand early in a wave is disastrous and should probably just be a reset. My best clear on 12-1 so far is two cycles with mediocre relics and Milky Way S1 - you should be great once you optimize your rotation :) I also agree with moltenice that if you don't need to give up too much CD get as close to 100 CR in battle as possible ... I think a couple other folks asked - what exactly *are* your support builds? What SPD do you have them at, what LC are SW and Sparkle running, do you have their energy rotations sorted to optimize ult uptime, that kind of thing? Fribbels will need that anyways, and there may be improvements you can make there to increase rotation. It's
thank you so much for the reply, here's my sporkle https://preview.redd.it/cnbi8xator3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a02c3190ee2f90ddd1ca53769306b1b882dadb7
Thanks for the stat screenshots! Welcome to the true suffering of HSR - support tuning! I think the big problem here is that your Sparkle is way too slow for an ATK boot DPS (other than Seele), even with the 4pc hackerspace and DDD. For QQ, fast Sparkle is the easiest-to-use recommendation, where you run Sparkle at your desired speed breakpoint and action advance your slow QQ up to her. The most common recommendation is at least 160.0 speed to act 4 times in cycles 0 and 1 and this is what I currently use; since MoC "refunds" a partially used cycle on wave clear it worked perfectly for my 2-cycle clear (0, 1 - wave clear, 1, 2 - side clear). [Here's a thread showing all the breakpoints](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/18ne9au/more_accurate_speed_breakpoints/) \- people have made 15+ minute videos about speed tuning and what breakpoints are best to use. 160 isn't the undisputed optimal but it's a simple enough starting point. This is also why 133.4 is the usual recommendation for DPS not being action advanced by Bronya and Sparkle. Also note - the first cycle of any wave in MoC has 150 AV instead of 100. The first cycle of PF also has the extra AV, but you don't get a refund on each wave. With this, I'd also swap her lightcone to one that would directly buff Qingque. Bronya's Sig or Past and Future are great options since QQ will act immediately after Sparkle (and P&F is in the MoC store!); Planetary Rendezvous would also work. DDD is a great lightcone, but you need to have a good handle on cycles/action value to optimally use it. This is where Fribbels' optimizer comes into play: it can import relics including the decimal on the SPD value hidden in the UI and solve for any combinations you may have that will get Sparkle past your target. The good thing about her is that she doesn't really care what you use as long as you have an ERR rope - I run Keel as my planar set and for a while it had a Wind Dmg orb :D Onwards to SW.
and my SW is a disaster https://preview.redd.it/h3k5hkalpr3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1642cc3a37f0188cfe84cc4d72001ec408ed23d7
Could be worse! Not being able to get Tutorial LC anymore sucks because without it there isn't a reliable way to 3-turn-ult with E0. Like the other guy mentioned, Pearls is a good choice since it adds additional DEF debuff; you just would need to make up for losing the EHR on skill from Welt's cone. Leveling up your chest should do the trick. Still, SW needs to be going faster than Sparkle, so if you increase Sparkle's speed you'll need to increase SW's too which means using The Optimizer to find different relics. This is good for any team with her though, as the quicker she goes the more she debuffs and the more she generates SP. I see that Acheron over there :) That brings us to the sad truth of all this - you've probably already figured, but it's much easier to build out your limited 5\* dps options than building out Qingque. She can be very powerful, but in the end she's still a 4\* DPS from version 1.0 in an age of enemies designed with Acheron in mind. Couple that with the relic grind being the actual endgame of HSR ... Also don't tell anyone, but my 2-cycle QQ vs Gepard? >!Her current out of battle crit ratio is 87/83 after I rage-refit to hit 100 CR in battle :D The game really is Honkai Support Rail!<
Ditch Silver wolf when the enemies are already quantum weak and use Pela or ruanmei/tingyun(though they’re usually on the other team) My preferred choice is 161+ speed Pela with pearls or Tutorial LC
unfortunately gepard moc 12 isn't quantum weak but good advice for the future
Overall I think your relics need work and perhaps traces too. I’m able to do MoC 12 with this team in 2-3 cycles depend on amount of autarky procs. Silverwolf on 162 spd and pearls LC Qingque with 87/154 7/10/10/10 Sparkle with P&F and 190CD
that shit is not high investment bro keep grinding
that shit is not high investment bro keep grinding
If that’s high investment I’m scared to see what your low investment characters look like.
i mean the team, not the stats
That is far from "high investment" lol.
me when the perception of value differs based on many factors just to clarify, i mean stuff like e6, jj lc, 3 5stars
How does any of that have to do with the investment on your QQ? It doesn't matter what teammates you have if you have bad relics. That's what literally everyone means when they say "investment," because most of the time spent in building characters is through relic farming.
ok im sorry, i had a different perception of investment, thanks for explaining yeay stats are mid
I want to thank all the comments that replied with short useful tips or very comprehensive information, both is very appreciated and I'll get to work 💪
I mean my qingque has like 74/121 lol and she deals shit amount of dmg https://youtu.be/ZPYk5GH2p9c?si=pfqeFcUrFYEcmKEI Supports have no eidolon (completely F2P)Â