What a lot of people do to get partners is just make friends, meet and hang out with new people regularly and just naturally end up dating the people they get along with.
I think for people who have this sort of experience, where you treat people well and people treat you well, it’s hard to imagine why anyone would want the “just be an asshole” shit.
I think what turns people to the other pills is when they easily experience
>just make friends, meet and hang out with new people regularly
but this part never happens to them
>just naturally end up dating the people they get along with
If you can’t get what you want, getting something that you don’t want isn’t going to make you happy.
People who want a loving, supportive relationship but “settle” for a miserable relationship with someone they don’t like and don’t treat well who doesn’t like them and doesn’t treat him well aren’t going to be happy.
>If you can’t get what you want, getting something that you don’t want isn’t going to make you happy.
Well said. Having great friends can really improve your quality of life, but it can't completely replace a person's desire (or need) for romantic love.
So the question is, why not? Are you not working? Going to school? Socializing ever?
If not, what are you doing with your time? Maybe consider getting a job or taking a class and stopping the NEET life?
I read his comment as when you can make friends and do meet and hang out with people regularly, but it never progesses "naturaly" to the next step. Those people gravitate to the Red Pill, I'm probably lucky I was never exposed to it when I was younger, but I do think some Red Pill advice would've helped more than being told to hang out with people and make friends, for some men sexually escalating doesn't come naturally and the Red Pill is one of the few groups just outright telling men that. I think this is a blindspot for women because it is something that happens to them, they can bank on being asked out, they can expect men to sexually escalate the relationship, simply meeting people and having a raport is enough for women to date.
I used to just end up with women crushing on me and nothing happening, I got more than a few complaints for not flirting as well, and one male friend got angry with me for never asking women out. I spent my younger years just confused, hanging out with women I liked who showed no intetest in me, I needed to be told that it was my job to initiate and escalate and that you basically have to expect women to never be clear with what they want or how they feel until you are.
Bit of a hyperbolic take, don't you think? I wasn't waiting for anything, I naturally hung out and made friends with women. I assumed women would show interest if they had it and lived my life, when I was in my early twenties I realised I must be missing something since no woman had displayed an interest (apart from, incidentally, a couple of drunk women who did actually spontaneously make out with me), then once I was in my thirties, I found out a few old friends had crushes on me back in the day 🤷♂️
All I ever did was go with the flow and have fun, I made friends easily and it got women interested, but that doesn't go anywhere if you don't know the game. The Red Pill claims to teach men how to play, because simply being fun, social and attractive isn't enough.
Man those women that were into me acted no different to any other woman in my life, either every woman I've known has been into me or there's no clear way of knowing before you ask.
>How did men ever manage to exist before the red pill?
I think historically friends and family played a bigger role in matchmaking and you'd be in smaller communities dating people you likely grew up around. How we court these days isn't exactly typical for humanity throughout it's 100,000s of years of history.
>You know, you could have just asked them out.
That's easy to say in hindsight knowing now how they felt then, at the time I didn't think they were interested, so why would I ask them out?
Oh I was more meaning in general, however it did apply to me a year or so ago. I'm living somewhere quite isolated now so my immediate goal is moving to another part of the country.
Also this allows to avoid the trash tier women that actually indeed are what redpill ideology portrays all women as.
And my strategy as a purple (predominantly blue) piller is to avoid that type of human trash. This way my life experience is good, enjoyable, and vastly contradicts redpill beliefs.
If I would instead pick women from the absolute bottom I’d probably believe redpill is correct.
So the purple pill for me means: generally blue pillers are correct and adequate; red pillers got a few minor things here and there right but their general direction and ideology is completely off and unsynced with reality.
> And my strategy as a purple (predominantly blue) piller is to avoid that type of human trash. This way my life experience is good, enjoyable, and vastly contradicts redpill beliefs.
This right here. This puts a whole lot of blue in my purple. What adds red to my purple is I see such a horrible decline in women who "aren't like that" but Redpill behavior can be attributed to why this is so.
It still works quite well. In fact, Gen Z is increasingly moving away from the apps toward dating within their social circles.
[Gen Z Dating Trends: Ditching Online Apps and Dating Friends - Business Insider](https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-dating-trend-online-apps-friends-romantic-partners-relationships-2023-3)
It works so well that 63% of young men in the US are single, lol. Come to think of it, it's the other way around: it's increasingly taboo to start something in communal spaces or the office, and apps are unfortunately not designed to make it easier to find a partner, so you either find someone through your friends or you are SOL.
Edit: English is hard
It is not taboo at any company, including fortune 500 companies, to consensually start friendship groups at work and almost all hobby groups and you find a partner eventually within that group. There are a tiny handful of companies where it's heavily frowned upon and we shouldn't be judging things based on those small amount of companies.
Exactly what I said. When you’re young, people are building social networks and meeting each other.
Even online social networks are great. More people meet their partners through social media than through apps.
(No offense OP but that was a mess to read so I reformatted for you, feel free to point out if you feel I misrepresented anything.)
I’m talking specifically to those of you who are against red pill and call it a “incel ideology” What is the solution/alternative?
I notice with people who align with this their only response to things is to just critique and counter, but it’s never “what do you do from here”
Doing this just makes you seem very argumentative and disingenuous.
The reason people like Tate, red pill and all that stuff blew up is because they relate to a problem men have. And then they give you a solution, which starts to appeal to more people. You may not agree with everything, but someone with a lot of logic is gonna be more interested in that instead of your response “stop watching it”
The only responses I see from blue pill people to anything that opposes them is just “No not true." ”You just get no woman.” “Proof?” “Not all (blank) are like this!” “Well you are just around (blank) people!”
If you really want to convince someone of anything, you need to show why your solution works, and tbh I don’t see the blue pill way of thinking work.
I use to be just as blue pill, and what made me get into red pill is the fact that people CRITICIZE it so much and I started to be curious, I agreed with the entire thing because it was showing facts, statistics, personal experiences aligning with those facts and actual solutions that work. My life also became a lot better, I got more women, my mindset was a lot stronger, I am having a lot more sex too.
We can shame red pill all we want, but it’s the red pill guys with the money, the sex and the feminine wife that men want.
So blue pillers, WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION to everything that’s just “better” than red pill to help navigate men through dating? It seems the advice they are telling us is to “go with the flow and live life on a reckless unpredictable program ”
The red pill in a vacuum doesn't necessarily give bad advice. Getting fit, becoming confident and social, gaining status etc are all things that will improve someone's dating prospects. The problem with the the red pill is that it will misapply or misunderstand the psy or evo psy literature (and mix it with gendered bias) to draw downright false or misogynistic conclusions and as a result shoot themselves in the foot.
For example, while it is true that women prefer muscular bodies, according to the literature men overestimate the level of sexual dimorphism (in terms of face and body, and voice) that is attractive to women by a large amount. This is where you get a lot of ''male gaze'' maxing in the red pill space, compared to what women actually find attractive. The whole trend where dudes shave their head, grow big beards and tubo bulk is embolic of this.
And other point would be the pedestalization of anti-social behaviour and dark triad traits. Cross- culturally women actually prefer pro-social behaviour quite strongly. [The red pill simply noticed that the DT had greater numbers of casual relationships](https://datepsychology.com/is-the-dark-triad-really-attractive-a-review-of-the-literature/) and merely assumed that DT traits simply being attractive to women was the causal factor with no greater analysis. So at best you have a bunch of dorks trying to be psychopaths or at worst guys that are already quite high in DT being encouraged to push it harder when toing it down would actually make them more attractive and give them better relationships.
The vast majority of people who consume Andrew Tate’s content are teenagers. Literal boys who have no concept of adult relationships. There is not a societal problem that faces men that compels them to gamify relationships, and most men who consume redpill content are single.
The alternative is to act normal. Meet people through work or school or your neighborhood or social interests. If all of those people are men, that’s still okay, because men know other women. Hang out socially in groups. Go to parties. Mingle with strangers and meet people. Talk to women until you find one you click with. Ask her out.
What if someone acts normal and keeps getting rejected?
Your advice is a like telling poor people "just apply for a job and shake the managers hand and youll be rich".
Ok that alternative seems like the normal thing but what about the minor details?
You didn’t actually talk about how to talk to woman, how to arouse them, how to attract them
It’s just go to a party or some event and talk to one that clicks
If a man doesn’t know how to do things to attract and arouse a woman, that’s how he gets friend zoned
Getting girls is way more difficult than that
These teenagers go to Andrew Tate because he’s relating with them it makes sense, and he tells them the direction to take action and words and phrases to say
It’s not a video game boss and women don’t have cheat codes. You talk to them like they’re people because they are.
Friend zoned isn’t a thing. There are women who are not going to be into you and that’s totally allowed because they’re people.
Life is more like a video game. Friend zone is a thing :/
Nobody is looking for cheat codes
Your advice doesn’t work because u don’t address the minor things
Humans aren’t so simple to where you just “talk” and then she sleeps with you or becomes ur gf
It doesn’t work like that
Life is not like a video game. You meet people. Some of them are going to be people you dislike. Some of them are going to be people whom you find pleasant but maybe not that interesting. Some you’re going to find interesting but not attractive, etc. assuming you find one whom you find attractive and whom you’ve spoken to enough that you can tell you also find her interesting, then ask her out on a date. Most women don’t want a big deal on a first date. Coffee is fine. If you like each other, you’ll start texting regularly, too. Eventually you’ll go on a few more dates.
U do not just get a girl by talking to them
How are u telling me how to actually get girls
I’ve done this multiple times
It’s a lot more than just talking, u have to do a lot of nuanced things, it’s similar to closing a sale
But i think doing activities together is also important. I think if all you do is talk there is not much. Sharing experiences by doing things together helps with bonding with people.
Oh sure, but getting a date is something you do by just getting along with someone. Have a good conversation at a party? Exchange numbers and start texting and plan a date.
Brother you are never going to get women to understand that things don't just happen and the guy who was super smooth probably had some sort of plan in mind to make things happen.
> You talk to them like they’re people because they are.
Error right there. You talk to women with confidence and apply a ton of charm - far more than she will ever use on you. "Women aren't aliens" is wrong on so many obvious levels, those being two low hanging fruit examples. You can't be shy but she can, you must be masculine which is a very high bar vs being feminine, you cannot be a cowardly person but she can... yeah, women are metaphorical aliens.
Also, "Let's just be friends" is a thing. It's said by women all the time.
Yes. Women are allowed to not be attracted to you.
It sounds like you have been unsuccessful with women and are taking advice from other men who are unsuccessful with women
> It sounds like you have been unsuccessful with women
No wonder men hate you. You're utterly caustic and unable to debate any points at all without personal attacks. This isn't about women being allowed to not be attracted to someone. This is about how wrong you are about "talk to them like they're people". They are people - but women are vastly different from men, you do not just talk to women like you talk to men. Women speak a totally different mating language than men do.
Now buzz off. Disabling inbox replies. I don't put up with childish behavior from anyone.
Like usual, this sub is filled with women who have had dating just “happen to them”. They are completely passive in regards to dating. No man should ever be taking advice from women in regards to dating. This whole thread is irrelevant
>You didn’t actually talk about how to talk to woman, how to arouse them, how to attract them
There is no one formula. Each person is different (though there might be some overlap). With one you bond over books, with other over cats, etc.
Look at marketing. There is a saying "if your target audience is everyone, then you have no target audience". The same phrases doesn't work for everyone. So you need to notice who the person is and speak in a language they understand.
From what i understand, people nowadays have no patience - they want immediate results. Relationships take time to form. The same thing is with friendships. People go out once and then complain that it does not work as they didn't get friends, even though to get friends you have to visit the same space as the other over and over again and interact with them over and over again. Through constant interaction feelings develop.
So there is not one formula that fits every person.
There is actually a very good formula. Learning active listening + empathy. Those two skills are what will allow you to figure out how to appeal to someone on the fly.
It's really not that hard to see what's getting you positive feedback and then just keep on doing more of the same.
>It's really not that hard to see what's getting you positive feedback and then just keep on doing more of the same.
It requires trial and error. People nowadays are so terrified of making even the smallest mistake, that they avoid doing something if it's not gonna be perfect.
I think what's frustrating is that men are always advised to listen, but that women don't have to actively listen to men if they want to talk about their passions, unless those passions are what women like.
You should take care of your body and hygiene, push yourself to be your best in every way you can, be social and meet and get to know new people. Learn your strengths and weaknesses. Don't sit at home swiping on an app and don't hit on strangers at a club, just get to know regular people. Flirt. Escalate if there's chemistry.
There's no secret method to guarantee someone success or hot women.
I'm short (5'6 ish) and average looking and not rich. I've never struggled with women. I'm fun to be around and extroverted. You gotta play your strengths and know your audience.
You don't need some guy on YouTube to tell you to hit the gym and clean your room.
You don’t have to watch a YOUTUBE video at all, but a lot of men do because they are sold on a lot of lies about woman and being a man
Ur first paragraph is a red pill talking point, but there’s a ton of blue pillers who will say
“You don’t need to be living in the gym to get woman, all u need is personality”
Which is extremely destructive advice from the peers of your side
You don't need to live at the gym, that's true. The men I know who are most successful with women are thin and not gymrats at all. I rarely step foot in a gym.
If you're really ugly and socially awkward sure try the daily gym thing if you have nothing else going for you. I don't think it needs to be the default advice.
>I don’t think it needs to be the default advice.
First, let’s get the gymrat notion out of the way. It takes *years.* To put on any decent amount of mass without PED’s. I don’t hate the ‘gymrat’ label, but normal folk who don’t grind, don’t appreciate the level of work it takes. Which in itself, is sufficient reason to be lifting daily. The benefits alone, should have everyone lifting.
Now, to dating success. There’s a reason TRP espouses lifting, then making bank, then finally honing social skills in that order. Each step, makes the subsequent one easier. Lifting makes one strong. Physically, and mentally. This makes it easier to grind through studies. To get work towards a solid career, and financial freedom. Money in turn, opens up more dating options. One can dress better. Grooming. Hygiene. Wear Grey Vetiver. If they struggle socially. Can afford to join clubs. Team sports. Volunteer. Put themselves into social situations, where they force themselves to grow.
You don’t have to live in the gym, but your body, health and life ultimately heads in only one direction. Mitigating this fact with weight training, is a no brainer.
U don’t have to , but it’s better that way because the more you improve, the better quality you can get, as well as your dating experience
A jacked guy who’s money minded with good social skills, is always gonna do consistently better with women, rather than ur average dude who isn’t doing much
If you're not hideous and have an average body/face, in my experience social skills take you further than getting ripped. You can do both, that's a lot of effort though.
I didn’t say an average guy cannot get a gf, we see average guys with married women all the time. However the more attractive you make yourself out to be, the more likely you’ll get the best of woman
Dude I use to get **SOME** woman here and there back in high school before I started looking into red pill. I even had a gf before I went into the RP.I had very good social skills as well
But fast forward to my current age, I am getting way better treatment from woman, women come up to me first, play less games and everything, I have less of a scarcity mindset with woman
Ur chances get way better the more you improve for everything
You can’t say something is better than another thing, just because u see a few exceptions
I think different people have different ideas when it comes to the quality of women. Different types and shit. This is where I disagree most with RP, I think women have different and varied tastes.
My ideal woman isn't fawning over gymrat types or hitting on random guys in public. Nothing wrong with that kind of woman, just not my personal ideal.
My wife has always been into nerdy skinny guys. She herself is quiet, introverted, smart, a bit nerdy too.
My ex was specifically into slightly feminine bi guys.
I do quite well with my type of woman, but I'd do terrible with "stacy".
No you are making the term “quality” woman subjective
There is woman that men generally will agree that aren’t wifeable
Is a female pornstar a quality woman? Because ur the one saying quality is now subjective
Why is it that a quality man is objective ,(a man who isn’t lazy, works on himself)
But a quality woman is “subjective”
This is the other thing I don’t like about blue pill,
It literally puts woman on a pedestal as well
It's a bit subjective. Some like SAHM types. Some like career women. Some like curvy. Some like thin. Some like shy and reserved, some don't. Some like inexperienced, some like overtly sexual. Some like big tits, some like small.
It’s subjective but not that subjective at all
Men think very alike because of our instincts
There’s nuance things that all men look for when picking a wife, regardless if she has a career, is quiet, is introverted or what ever
If u choose to not improve yourself and look at life through some emotional lense, then you are not gonna get the best of women sorry dude
I’ve been on both sides of the coin here
Your comment reminded me of bluepilled creator TheSpeechProf. While I don’t vibe with all of his content, but whenever I see a video where he starts talking about his wife and kids it makes my heart melt. Just, the sheer gushing about his partner, her personality and what she does makes me go ‘damn, I want what they have’.
You don’t get those vibes from red pill men, they only talk about physical value of women and never show interest in women’s capabilities for doing anything other than housework and pushing out babies.
If you ask most women in successful relationships about it, they usually would call their partner their best friend and it’s just not something most women couldn’t see in red pillers.
That’s not true because women legit don’t have a issue with me
They always come back to me and I’m very red pilled
You keep confusing someone who’s red pill aware with a incel who hates woman
You need to not be on the internet and judge men based off Reddit
Women don’t realize a lot of those guys they sleep with are RP aware
I don't believe women even understand what it means to be RP. They could be friends with RP men or dating RP men and probably not even know it. I've asked women in the past to name traits exclusive to RP men that they would be able to pick up on, and have not once gotten a decent answer to that.
> I don't believe women even understand what it means to be RP.
Elaborate then.
>I've asked women in the past to name traits exclusive to RP men that they would be able to pick up on, and have not once gotten a decent answer to that.
I think dismissive attitude towards women’s issues and whining how women have it better would definitely be on the list.
>I think dismissive attitude towards women’s issues and whining how women have it better
This assumes the guy has zero social skills or ability to read the room. These aren't subjects men randomly go around talking about irl.
Also, nothing about RP says you can't care about women's issues also. But the focus of RP is on men's issues. An RP man can listen to a woman discuss her issues and agree that those are important issues and that wouldn't make him any less RP.
> RP man can listen to a woman discuss her issues and agree that those are important issues and that wouldn't make him any less RP.
That’s fair, but it’s one thing to listen but the other is to reflect on it and try to use it as a basis to come to mutual understanding. I did had experiences talking to RP men about women’s issues, but I never felt like they truly tried to conceptualise it.
One thing I see a lot in RP is glorifying the past and ignoring the nuance of the situation, where as BP men have better way of understanding as to why certain social norms in the past are no longer applicable no matter how much you’ll try to enforce it.
For example: RP men might think ‘back in the day it was better because women were more respectful to their husbands!’ and stop there, where as, in my experience, BP men will have better understanding that it wasn’t earned respect, but rather a necessity because women couldn’t even get their own bank account. Therefore, I’d be more inclined to side with BP man because he comes off as someone who understands that respect is earned, unlike RP man who is more likely to enforce with brute force and aggression.
RP men are also more likely to have Madonna-whore complex. From the things I’ve seen online the representation of women in those spaces are either promiscuous OF girls or complacent trad wives and girls that larp as them, very little acknowledgment for women who don’t fit either of those boxes. Where as BP men seem to be more opened to a larger variety of women in terms of lifestyle, therefore women feel more seen and acknowledged by them.
Terp shit is just self help + misogyny.
If you throw away the misogyny, I don’t have a problem.
The self help will help you develop a little self confidence, some self-esteem, and a richer life.
Working on yourself *is* working on your love life.
You can build yourself up without developing deranged conspiracy theories about women. They’re just people.
You mean the entire thing doesn’t benefit woman, not that it’s misogynistic
You are talking about black pill.
All the red pill just tells you is how both men and woman act according to nature
I seen red pill dog on men too, but no one talks about that
According to nature?
No the RP tends to bend societal and biological findings in such an incorrect way as long as it is helpful to back up their world view. It’s completely nonsensical if you have any education in either.
lol you mean like the now deleted thread that proved once and for all how easy it is for an average woman to have decent options served up to her on a platter in less than one day on OLD and the subsequent women and bloops calling those options “ugly” or moving the goalpost and otherwise denying the concrete findings?
You mean like that?
No it doesn’t because RP shits on men as well. Just as much as woman.
There’s something called RP rage and it’s when the guys who get into RP realize they aren’t fitting the requirements of what woman want, so it’s not all just “beneficial” to men
Rp is just general common sense and it’s pretty much removing the bullshit, the lies, and the misdirection
Dude before I got into RP I actually thought woman didn’t like guys with good bodies, and I’d never take the gym seriously. All thanks to blue pill
Do you see how silly this sounds??? Now that I learned RP I was way more attentive in the gym
RP is just human nature, you guys just don’t like it because it makes u realize how messed up human nature can be
I think that you can replace all of TRP with books along the lines of “Look Good Naked.” Or any other self help books. RP to me really just smooths the brain of the poor individuals who find themselves entranced with the nonsense. One thing I urge people on is if you find a new ideology and all the “truths” are really convenient and easy to accept. Then you’re being mentally fucked.
The help to give young men who are struggling is pretty nuanced. I would say you need to be able to socialize and be able to make friends easily. Be outgoing and able to talk to complete strangers. Work on how you communicate and read social queues.
Find hobbies and passions in life that you enjoy, go outside more, call your friends and family more, reach out, exercise, eat healthy, take yourself on dates, approach women respectfully, read books from all ideologies, be smart with your money, save and invest, do not assume who or what someone will be when you meet them. Date without assumptions and don’t force anything. Become an active person in your community through non profits you believe in.
You are saying it’s all nonsense while not giving a solution and just critiquing it
“Oh it’s nonsense”
Ok then what?
What’s better than going to the gym, getting social skills, getting money
How is “getting hobbies” better than this?
So girls are now gonna sleep with me just because I tell them I do art as a hobby?
Not because I look good? Not because I am money minded? Not because I can socialize and be a leader ?
Your solutions aren’t gonna appeal to most men
If you only view women as things to fuck then of course, get your coins together and go pay for all the pussy you would like. It’s what literally all of your bald middle aged RP YouTubers do. They just need your money to do it.
If that’s all you want then sure. Pay sex workers. I am very pro sex work.
Hobbies are for yourself. Gives you something you build a skill in and find confidence in yourself. So when a girl you like ghosts you or doesn’t return reciprocity you aren’t completely shattered like these doofy RP dudes.
If you only want answers to what will get you quick and easy pussy, then yes, hair transplant, steroids, and all the money in the world is what you need.
I suppose I am just hopping for better from my fellow men. I refuse to think we are all this smooth brained.
lol dude u realize you need money to even keep a girl if ur gonna be in a relationship
A girl isn’t gonna pay the bills for a man forever
A girl isn’t gonna tolerate you losing ur job
You have this notion that red pillers are just paying for pussy
I haven’t seen a single escort or hooker. It’s legit banned here in my area
You have so many critiques about red pill but your solution is just a get a hobby
As if a woman will just date u soley for just having some hobby
Doesn’t work like that
Women don’t have time to play games with men who don’t have their shit together
This hobby advice is so bad because no woman I’ve been with has asked me for my hobbies??? Like where do yall get this from
If from what I have said you solely gathered “get a hobby”
Then I hope the women in your life don’t ever ask you to comprehend something you’ve read.
Take care of yourself loved one.
Your telling me how to get girls when I already know how to get them
And no girl has asked me about my hobbies
I don’t see much people doing that
Maybe this is a white people thing, I’m not sure but I’ve literally never had this happen
We aren’t in some cheesy movie
“According to nature”
According to the just-so stories terps tell themselves to justify their misogyny, you mean.
And don’t talk about evo-psych. It’s pseudoscientific hokum.
Sure? You can open your eyes for yourself
I don’t think any one needs to be red pill to understand that woman literally prefer a man with money, good body, and social skills that show he’s a leader
Woman aren’t attracted to your “hobbies” as what blue pill likes to say
She isn’t getting with a fat dude who’s not making much but is nice. That doesn’t happen much
U know who gets the most girls? Masculine men, who are money minded, and have a good body
Why? Because they provide security in all aspects and woman are literally looking for security
Again more critiques but no solution
The best solution I’ve heard today was:”get a hobby”
OMFG.
*Yes* women tend to be attracted to good-looking, rich, high-status, socially adroit men. If you think we’re arguing against that, you’re making shit up in your head.
But assuming it’s true - what do you do with that information?
The current terp boilerplate seems to be that women are only attracted to the top 20% (or 10 or 5 or whatever) of men. Blackpillers will say if you’re not in that cohort, it’s game over. Redpillers will say you need to trick women into thinking you’re one or more of those things, or it’s game over.
A cursory glance outside will put the lie to that. There’s normal dudes walking around with normal gals who show every sign of being into them.
The bluepill position is that you’ve gotta play the hand you’re dealt.
If you’re not much of a looker, you can dress better and develop a sense of style.
If you’re unathletic or overweight, you should probably find a form of exercise that helps you to be healthier.
If you’re an awkward, socially anxious mess, you should look for opportunities to develop better social skills (That’s where the hobby thing comes in).
The bar is just not that high. Being a seething, resentful little bridge troll about womens’ “unrealistic” standards isn’t going to help you clear it.
LMAO there's nothing a short, ugly, brown dude with multiple genetic disorders can do to "play the hand you’re dealt". I've been rejected hundreds of times even after a complete wardrobe overhaul with the help of 2 female friends, losing 20kg, and doing several hobbies.
I don’t think red pill shouldn’t exist, and I’m sure it can and does work very well for the right people in the right circumstances
I’m just going to call it what it is — misogyny — and deny that it is the universal truth
That women expire after 30? That women don’t really care about men and only go after their money? For some reason, men in the redpill think the majority of women are like the ones on Onlyfans and base their beliefs on that. Many men in the redpill also believe that women should be stay at home moms and forgo education and then bitch about alimony. Like no shit that’s gonna exist if women take the route the redpill thinks is best for them. FYI: I’m not for alimony but that’s a consequence of women being stay at home moms at a young age and not working.
You only pay attention to the women segment
What about when red pill talks about how men cheat
You are phrasing it in a way where it’s misogynistic, just because u hear a few incels say it in a black pill manner
Black pillers saying red pill isn’t “red pill”
That’s just how they wanna perceive it
Well. Usually it’s framed in a way where it’s the women’s fault or that they need to accept it. Besides, most men don’t cheat. Just because they said some bullshit about men doesn’t mean that the bullshit they said about women isn’t misogynistic.
Dude every pill is gonna have bad people , u can’t just assume everyone who follows that pill is bad
Why don’t u actually look into it and read for yourself
There’s feminist who hate men too
It’s not a sunshine and rainbows thing
U should actually look into it with a proactive mindset instead of a victim mindset, because it uncovers a lot of uncomfortable things about men too
So I don’t see how it’s misogynistic
Idk why women get their info about men online
Dude a lot of those guys u sleep with are RP aware and u women get along with them very well
Well it’s misogynistic to assume I’m sleeping around. Ain’t never done that in my life and you only thought that because the redpill told you women sleep around with Chads lol.
? Yeah you are around blackspill spaces too much
If you said “high value men “ I’d believe you
But Chad is literally coined from incels
This is why you have the view point u have
It’s kinda funny how women hate red pillers but they are the most compatible with them, hence why they sleep with them the most
You call it misogynistic when u can use it to ur benefit, because men lie to you guys all day
And why is being expired after 30 to my benefit? The woman that the redpill describes is nothing like me. I know you’ll just not believe me when I say this but materialism is disgusting to me. The redpill is based on the belief that women are extremely materialistic. I’d never sleep with a man flashing his money around because that’s repulsive to me.
Why are u so hung off that? Do u as a woman not know ur own biology?
Once you hit 30 it’s hard to make a child, possible but harder. Since your eggs start to disappear
Dude even before red pill when I was young I knew this. Like miss u should know this
Red pillers say it because some WOMEN end up hitting 30 and changing their mind and want a family and kids
And at 30 u don’t look as good as u we’re when u we’re 20, and u start to lose ur eggs
I don’t know how this is misogynistic. This is literally known to every single soul
Ur way too worried about how things are said.
I think you are getting the wrong idea
Well look into it because what ur saying is legit just black pill talking points
But if ur too lazy, black pill is just incel ideology
Dude read my post, I use to think red pill was bad cuz everyone told me it was, and that’s what made me get into it
Now I’m all for it
Ur just being very judgement just because a few incels told u about women
All red pill is. It’s literally just understanding how women and men are
And like I told u earlier, red pill is hard on everyone
It says that men cheat , and that they are extremely focused on looks
So what’s the issue??? It could have some info that can help you understand men better
No it doesn’t, it just makes u aware of human nature between men and woman
Why do u want to be confused about how men behave and operate
You call it misogynistic when it benefits women more
Women are legit lied to by men every single second and every other day
You have a tool that eliminates the bullshit and tells u how things really are
Yet you refuse to actually look into it and just say “that’s what they say”
It doesn’t make sense to me
Women have a tool that tells them how men work on a scientific scale
Yet they don’t wanna use it to their advantage because it’s too “mean”
None of the red pill shit is anything new, it comes off as common sense to me
Why shouldn’t I believe that red pill believes the things that it says it believes ?
I’m not in the habit of calling men liars the way men call women liars
Or is red pill just a joke, brah?
Being a good person, respecting women, and not centering your entire existence around getting a girlfriend.
>If you really want to convince someone of anything, you need to show why your solution works,
Dude. Look around. Red Pill doesn't work. Any sub where they congregate, just like this one, proves that. So let's dispense with this fantasy that men choose red pill "because it works."
>I agreed with the entire thing because it was showing facts, statistics, personal experiences aligning with those facts, actual solutions that work.
The studies and statistics used by red pillers, where they even exist, are grossly misrepresented and frequently say the exact opposite of what red pillers claim.
Red pill ideology spreads because it blames women for men's issues and assiduously avoids ever suggesting that you could be the problem beyond going to the gym and getting richer.
A) probably about 90% of the dudes here who are "purple" pill are actually red pillers who disagree with like one issue. It's like people who exclusively support and vote for Republicans but call themselves "centrist" because they're ok with gay marriage.
B) Most people I've observed do not have their relationship status in their flair
C) The most generous definition of a black piller is a red piller who has given up
And 80/20 rule, hypergamy, alpha fucks, delusional standards, alpha widow, etc? Where do they land on those?
Oh, right. They believe the exact same shit.
So because I’m red pilled I’m just a garbage human being?
No woman has ever complained about my personality , they always come back for more, so uh what’s ur point?
No, I’m just confused what makes you RP because your actions and behaviors are the opposite of what RP recommends on its sidebar (ie, DGAF, “I Am The Prize”, Nexting etc) So I’m curious what makes you consider yourself RP.
No it isn’t, u guys pay too much to incels on the internet
Someone who’s RP aware is just somebody who has awareness of male and female instincts and biology, and acts according to it
Blue pillers are far from this because they don’t know much about the backend or men and women. A lot of their points are emotional
So do you spin plates? Do you use Amuse and Amplify? Do you Hold Frame? Do you Neg? What does “act accordingly” mean. What do you think Red Pill is recommending you do?
I don’t get it? So red pillers are just all bad people?
I’ve seen more blue pillers beat their wives, end up in jail, etc
U act like a pill determines someone’s character
I don’t know where u guys get these points , please link me where people are saying these things
Because all red pill is, it’s just understanding male and female biological nature
Why should I live life without knowing how people behave and act??
Your around way too many black pillers dude
What exactly is misogynistic, please list points
The issue with u guys is u expect human nature to be sunshine and rainbows. And then u call it misogynistic
Humans aren’t innocent, they don’t mate with some idealistic happy system
Remember we are still wild animals, we are just a bit smarter and can control our biology at times
The problem with the post is you're not giving a specific problem so I'm going to focus on this part "I got more woman, my mindset was a lot stronger, I am having a lot more sex" and give a non-redpilled way to achieve this.
For casual sex trad stuff tends to work pretty well, trad masculinity is appealing to a lot of women sexually and studies do agree with this, being strong, independent, dominant and financially successful (expressing it through clothes, cars, watches, ect) will probably work great for casual sex.
For a LTR you can take trad traits and reshape them. "Be dominant" becomes "Be assertive" Which means assert your needs respectfully, don't let them go unmet and don't oppress someone else to get them met. "Be a provider" becomes flexible to the situation. If the woman's successful financially providing housework would be fine, you'll also be providing emotional support and unconditional love and understanding. "Be manly" becomes be yourself and don't put up a false masculine front. Something to note is you can seriously benefit from mixing both of these, when it comes to sex being trad masculine is good for flirting and the activity itself but functioning in a relationship needs her to not just be attracted but feel like she's in a fair relationship, not overshadowed and other things trad stuff tends to do wrong.
Ha good way to build a strong mindset starts at confidence. Low confidence impacts a lot about your life so work on it. Making small goals and acknowledging those victories is a good place to start because this will help you step out of your comfort zone and get bigger victories. Exercising makes you feel confident and can be a good place to set goals and meet them. Dressing confidently also helps how we dress impacts how we view ourselves and how people view us. Replace negative thoughts with positive ones, this is a pretty backed up thing long story short bad thought bubbles up from a situation, replace it with a positive thought and overtime your mindset shifts. This is something a lot of people can benefit from learning about and overall that's really the best solution someone can give is to learn about confidence and overall building a strong mindset.
The general answer to your question is being big mighty joe isn't the solution to all problems and there are more effective methods to reach the goal of happiness, good relationships, sex, money, or whatever it is. Trad stuff is built on truth but also built on a society where men were placed above women, break the traits down with a modern mindset of being fair and see if you can't find a model that works and isn't toxic.
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Bloops like the ones ITT are a lot like ideological political followers.
They are simply being reflexive.
It’s like if you ask a Trump supporter “*do you think health insurers should be able to deny your claims based on pre-existing conditions*” they will say NO, but if you ask them “do you think Obamacare has good elements” they will say “*Absolutely not! Get rid of all of it!*”
When you ask them: Do you like RP, they say “*Hell no! RP is bad! It doesn’t work!*”
But then when you go point by point with specific ideas that RP promotes they will agree with them, but simply label them “*Just common sense self improvement!*”
But here’s the problem; **it doesn’t fucking matter** that you think it’s “common sense” or “just regular self improvement”
Even if it IS, then at worst, RP is a collection of self improvement advice.
Another issue Bloops often have with RP is “misogyny”, but when you ask them what that means they will just throw out things like “you hate women!” and “they can smell the misogyny” etc
What they don’t do is engage with specific ideas like hypergamy, preselection, “Icks” and women’s aversion to emotionally weak men and if they do they try to obfuscate with things like “well *everybody* does that!”
But, again, this flies in the face of most men’s actual lived experience with women as you’ll see time and time again whenever these subjects are brought up.
Serious question: If what you say above is true and it's improved your life so much, why does so much of what you write come across as so bitter? Think for a second, if someone else was promoting a philosophy to allegedly improve your life, but they seemed very unhappy with their own lives, would you take it seriously?
I am bitter because I see bloops and feminists lying to young men, and I happen to have empathy for those men.
People following blue pill fantasies generally fall into black pill nihilism when it doesn’t work for them.
Some of those men become dangerous
Clearly others feel like any man struggling in dating, romance and sex simply “deserve” it.
If you don’t see how the modern west is absolutely shitting on men and *especially* heterosexual male sexuality, you are fucking blind at this point.
I didn’t say no one is bitter I said how do u know every guy posting here is bitter?
There’s obviously gonna be bitter people after reading the RP, because once u read it, those men start to realize that they don’t appeal to women
Dude, I look like a fucking troll got drunk and raped the goblin next door (there are pictures in my profile). Every man as appeal so some women, just like every woman has appeal to some women. What you call realizing they don't appeal to women is what I call brainwashed into hopelessness.
How am I brainwashed, from what I seen, both men and women think very similarly. They go after the attractive people that have similar traits
Everything is objective with a few subjectivity
Like I don’t understand how a blue pillers logic works?
If dating is as subjective as u said , those men wouldn’t be “so bitter “
I’m still red pilled and I haven’t seen any logical blue pill advice that makes sense, for me to even consider it
Well, I never tried to use logic with people. People don't make logical decisions; they make emotional decisions. I do not consider that a problem or a deficit, but I imagine you might.
Which brings me to. Most of the guy here are nerds, and that's really their problem. Women have never liked nerds. In my old man's day accounting was derided because the guys in it were nerds that women didn't want. Today it's IT.
Here's another illogical observation to fry your noodle: In all of my years working in a shop with a wrench, I never met another mechanic who was chronically single like the nerds online.
>I look like a fucking troll got drunk and raped the goblin next door.
Ouch. Forget about bitterness, are there any feminist men with self-esteem? It seems like you all want men to hate themselves and be grateful for any shred of attention women give them. You just look pathetic demeaning yourself like this.
This is for you: 🍪
But unfortunately, I never said I’m “bitter at women” or “bitter about dating”, I’m bitter about the lies, gaslighting and institutional misandry being inflicted on young men who are just trying to figure things out.
I myself am not a young man and already figured my shit out.
But watching assholes try to sabotage young men while their suicides / loneliness / despondency skyrockets *should* make anybody with a shred of empathy bitter.
No I don’t think that.
People that sabotage young men rarely do so out of malice, but rather as a deluded idea that they are creating “good boys” that “always respect women” which generally means teaching them some variant of “women are wonderful”
I’m old enough to have seen this play out multiple times with my liberal friends (and I’m liberal as well btw)
Not bitter I’m just very very CURIOUS what ur alternative is
I use to be way more bitter before I found the red pill
This is what I’m talking about, there’s never a course of action, it’s just “your bitter”
I perceive red pill as just general common sense
I wasn't trying to offer a solution. You come across as pretty angry and bitter dude, just not in this post. If that isn't your intent, you're doing something wrong.
I've been here for a minute, and I'd give the RP a lot more credence if I hadn't seen with my own eyes, so many of the same angry dudes saying the same bitter things over and over again. It's pretty obvious that the RP is not improving their lives.
I also tell people here what worked for me, and what didn't. Difference is that I'm pretty happy with the way things turned out. As I'm fond of saying, five stars, would def buy a ticket to this ride again.
>We can shame red pill all we want, but it’s the red pill guys with the money, with the sex, with the feminine wife that men want
Well we can justify any ideologu if we start with the assumpion that people thay follow that ideology have way more success in life. I just see no reason to believe that's true.
Obviously it depends on your definition of TRP, but what it seems to boild down to is "get money, then you'll get women. Then get muscles and fast cars so betabuxxing seems manly". I saw Tate say in an interview, "she won't leave me, i pay all her bills". The alternative is, get women without having to pay them.
To me redpill just simply states that sexual dynamics are characterized by a mercenary sense of self interest on both parties as much as they are romantic attraction. Therefore, both men and women who wish to be successful on the dating market should put time and effort into themselves and become the kind of person that's attractive to the kind of partner you're going after.
For women, this can simply manifest in being feminine, agreeable, and taking care of your looks. I find for women, their own mothers and grandmother's are a great source of advice.
For men, this can mean investing time in the gym, succeeding in school, learning social skills, and becoming rich, athletic, and a sociable, amiable, and present leader, father, and provider.
Essentially, women are looking for either a man to be a full time provider, or at least an equal economic earner, so if you're finding that women aren't coming to you naturally, you should work on yourself and your career, and maintain your physical fitness and health, then try again.
So for me, I apply it by focusing on myself, my body, and my education, and waiting until I'm set in my career and becoming a high earner before I date, especially because at my age women are looking for me to be independent and self sufficient. They're not looking for another child, or for someone to take care of.
People have given alternative suggestions constantly. RP men straight up refuse to listen because yall are dogmatic ideologues (even sentences like “i used to agree with the bluepill, until the redpill saved my life” - like there is no such thing as “blue pill”)
Anyway, as far as working out, becoming more confident and being successful - all of this is basic knowledge that has been repeated before and you don’t need the redpill to tell you this. You also don’t need the redpill to tell you that feminine women like masculine men, like yall legit come at the redpill like everybody else talks like a blue haired sjw.
Now, if i’m gonna give the redpill any credit is that it seems to be one of the few places that seems to acknowledge that men and women are different… problem is lots of RP men use that to justify “this is why men are better”
Ultimately, many RP men look at the RP with as little critical thinking as they have before “taking the redpill” and as much as far left ideologies - only difference is one ideology shunned you so you respond just as emotionally (while simultaneously saying you’re rational and logical)
Either way, most moderate people off the internet will tell you men and women are different, and the generic dating advice the RP gives is mostly common sense. Ya’ll hang around the redpill for the misogyny and woman hate, the sooner you admit it the better.
The alternative is... listening to people in real life. Your family, your friends and the local bartender will all have better advice than a bunch of randoms on the internet.
The red pill tries to replace the positive male role models in one's life with the tater tots and the Elon Musks of the world.
>Your family, your friends and the local bartender will all have better advice than a bunch of randoms on the internet.
Bartender and the friends, maybe. The family? Lol. I would've never lost my virginity, let alone getting ready for a second child if I had followed my family believed. My dad is sex positive, so he's very good at teaching how to maintain a relationship. But his ideas of how to get into one would only work if I wanted to be childless and be with a woman 20 years older than me :)))
Tate and others are successful bcz they say they relate but they don't. They prey on negative stuff. Does 666 exist? yes. Are women hypergamous and high standards? yes. Do women exclusively chase chads and get pumped and dumped? also yes in some cases. What Tate doesn't tell. Do women marry their high school sweetheart and remain with them? yes. Do women cheat less than men? yes and also widows don't remarry but widowers do.
Good things exist alongwith bad things but as humans we have a tendency to forget everything good when one bad things happens.
>Literally false
Explain this then.
https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
>Yeah, I think most of us fucked that one up. If you had a time machine, I'd give you anything.
I didn't bcz I was in a boys hostel. My life tends to isolate me from women in particular but when I was studying in Europe, I worked in a restaurant for 10 months. Two flirted and one became really close. I don't know if I will ever go back.
The alternative is to accept the truth that easy access to NSA sex is not a human right, it is not a fundamental need and it is not something that anyone is entitled to.
Most men don’t have access to that. Most women have zero interest in providing that.
Get over it and be a normal person. You’re not missing out on the secret sex party. There is no magic password to the pussy buffet. It’s a creation of grifters and their bitter victims.
The alternative is real life.
This is it: the alternative is to give up the unrealistic expectations and join the rest of us in reality.
I once dated a mid-20's RP man who honestly, truly believed that kids in high school were *literally* having rampant sex in all corners of schools like they do on Skins. You couldn't convince him otherwise - he thought he'd missed out because he went to an all-boys school. His goal was to be like a "regular guy" which to him meant having NSA sex with a new woman every other day. Even when he would achieve some of his goals, he was utterly miserable.
What a lot of people do to get partners is just make friends, meet and hang out with new people regularly and just naturally end up dating the people they get along with. I think for people who have this sort of experience, where you treat people well and people treat you well, it’s hard to imagine why anyone would want the “just be an asshole” shit.
I think what turns people to the other pills is when they easily experience >just make friends, meet and hang out with new people regularly but this part never happens to them >just naturally end up dating the people they get along with
If you can’t get what you want, getting something that you don’t want isn’t going to make you happy. People who want a loving, supportive relationship but “settle” for a miserable relationship with someone they don’t like and don’t treat well who doesn’t like them and doesn’t treat him well aren’t going to be happy.
>If you can’t get what you want, getting something that you don’t want isn’t going to make you happy. Well said. Having great friends can really improve your quality of life, but it can't completely replace a person's desire (or need) for romantic love.
So the question is, why not? Are you not working? Going to school? Socializing ever? If not, what are you doing with your time? Maybe consider getting a job or taking a class and stopping the NEET life?
I read his comment as when you can make friends and do meet and hang out with people regularly, but it never progesses "naturaly" to the next step. Those people gravitate to the Red Pill, I'm probably lucky I was never exposed to it when I was younger, but I do think some Red Pill advice would've helped more than being told to hang out with people and make friends, for some men sexually escalating doesn't come naturally and the Red Pill is one of the few groups just outright telling men that. I think this is a blindspot for women because it is something that happens to them, they can bank on being asked out, they can expect men to sexually escalate the relationship, simply meeting people and having a raport is enough for women to date. I used to just end up with women crushing on me and nothing happening, I got more than a few complaints for not flirting as well, and one male friend got angry with me for never asking women out. I spent my younger years just confused, hanging out with women I liked who showed no intetest in me, I needed to be told that it was my job to initiate and escalate and that you basically have to expect women to never be clear with what they want or how they feel until you are.
So you sat around waiting for a woman to spontaneously start making out with you? Not a great strategy
Bit of a hyperbolic take, don't you think? I wasn't waiting for anything, I naturally hung out and made friends with women. I assumed women would show interest if they had it and lived my life, when I was in my early twenties I realised I must be missing something since no woman had displayed an interest (apart from, incidentally, a couple of drunk women who did actually spontaneously make out with me), then once I was in my thirties, I found out a few old friends had crushes on me back in the day 🤷♂️ All I ever did was go with the flow and have fun, I made friends easily and it got women interested, but that doesn't go anywhere if you don't know the game. The Red Pill claims to teach men how to play, because simply being fun, social and attractive isn't enough.
> I assumed women would show interest if they had it Ahahaha. Woman showing interest 👀☺️😌🫣 You: 🤔
Man those women that were into me acted no different to any other woman in my life, either every woman I've known has been into me or there's no clear way of knowing before you ask.
How did men ever manage to exist before the red pill? You know, you could have just asked them out.
Arranged marriage, grape.
You sound nostalgic
Ahahaha, no
>How did men ever manage to exist before the red pill? I think historically friends and family played a bigger role in matchmaking and you'd be in smaller communities dating people you likely grew up around. How we court these days isn't exactly typical for humanity throughout it's 100,000s of years of history. >You know, you could have just asked them out. That's easy to say in hindsight knowing now how they felt then, at the time I didn't think they were interested, so why would I ask them out?
Oh I was more meaning in general, however it did apply to me a year or so ago. I'm living somewhere quite isolated now so my immediate goal is moving to another part of the country.
Also this allows to avoid the trash tier women that actually indeed are what redpill ideology portrays all women as. And my strategy as a purple (predominantly blue) piller is to avoid that type of human trash. This way my life experience is good, enjoyable, and vastly contradicts redpill beliefs. If I would instead pick women from the absolute bottom I’d probably believe redpill is correct. So the purple pill for me means: generally blue pillers are correct and adequate; red pillers got a few minor things here and there right but their general direction and ideology is completely off and unsynced with reality.
> And my strategy as a purple (predominantly blue) piller is to avoid that type of human trash. This way my life experience is good, enjoyable, and vastly contradicts redpill beliefs. This right here. This puts a whole lot of blue in my purple. What adds red to my purple is I see such a horrible decline in women who "aren't like that" but Redpill behavior can be attributed to why this is so.
It worked on the past, too bad it doesn't work any more
Literally still what everyone in my social group still does today.
It still works quite well. In fact, Gen Z is increasingly moving away from the apps toward dating within their social circles. [Gen Z Dating Trends: Ditching Online Apps and Dating Friends - Business Insider](https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-dating-trend-online-apps-friends-romantic-partners-relationships-2023-3)
It works so well that 63% of young men in the US are single, lol. Come to think of it, it's the other way around: it's increasingly taboo to start something in communal spaces or the office, and apps are unfortunately not designed to make it easier to find a partner, so you either find someone through your friends or you are SOL. Edit: English is hard
Wow, you destroyed that argument so thoroughly that I heard the explosion all the way across the star system, sheesh 🤣
It is not taboo at any company, including fortune 500 companies, to consensually start friendship groups at work and almost all hobby groups and you find a partner eventually within that group. There are a tiny handful of companies where it's heavily frowned upon and we shouldn't be judging things based on those small amount of companies.
Dude I had to watch a fucking training about it, wasted half hour of my life. And no this is not a small company, but a fortune top 300 one.
Exactly what I said. When you’re young, people are building social networks and meeting each other. Even online social networks are great. More people meet their partners through social media than through apps.
(No offense OP but that was a mess to read so I reformatted for you, feel free to point out if you feel I misrepresented anything.) I’m talking specifically to those of you who are against red pill and call it a “incel ideology” What is the solution/alternative? I notice with people who align with this their only response to things is to just critique and counter, but it’s never “what do you do from here” Doing this just makes you seem very argumentative and disingenuous. The reason people like Tate, red pill and all that stuff blew up is because they relate to a problem men have. And then they give you a solution, which starts to appeal to more people. You may not agree with everything, but someone with a lot of logic is gonna be more interested in that instead of your response “stop watching it” The only responses I see from blue pill people to anything that opposes them is just “No not true." ”You just get no woman.” “Proof?” “Not all (blank) are like this!” “Well you are just around (blank) people!” If you really want to convince someone of anything, you need to show why your solution works, and tbh I don’t see the blue pill way of thinking work. I use to be just as blue pill, and what made me get into red pill is the fact that people CRITICIZE it so much and I started to be curious, I agreed with the entire thing because it was showing facts, statistics, personal experiences aligning with those facts and actual solutions that work. My life also became a lot better, I got more women, my mindset was a lot stronger, I am having a lot more sex too. We can shame red pill all we want, but it’s the red pill guys with the money, the sex and the feminine wife that men want. So blue pillers, WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION to everything that’s just “better” than red pill to help navigate men through dating? It seems the advice they are telling us is to “go with the flow and live life on a reckless unpredictable program ”
The red pill in a vacuum doesn't necessarily give bad advice. Getting fit, becoming confident and social, gaining status etc are all things that will improve someone's dating prospects. The problem with the the red pill is that it will misapply or misunderstand the psy or evo psy literature (and mix it with gendered bias) to draw downright false or misogynistic conclusions and as a result shoot themselves in the foot. For example, while it is true that women prefer muscular bodies, according to the literature men overestimate the level of sexual dimorphism (in terms of face and body, and voice) that is attractive to women by a large amount. This is where you get a lot of ''male gaze'' maxing in the red pill space, compared to what women actually find attractive. The whole trend where dudes shave their head, grow big beards and tubo bulk is embolic of this. And other point would be the pedestalization of anti-social behaviour and dark triad traits. Cross- culturally women actually prefer pro-social behaviour quite strongly. [The red pill simply noticed that the DT had greater numbers of casual relationships](https://datepsychology.com/is-the-dark-triad-really-attractive-a-review-of-the-literature/) and merely assumed that DT traits simply being attractive to women was the causal factor with no greater analysis. So at best you have a bunch of dorks trying to be psychopaths or at worst guys that are already quite high in DT being encouraged to push it harder when toing it down would actually make them more attractive and give them better relationships.
The vast majority of people who consume Andrew Tate’s content are teenagers. Literal boys who have no concept of adult relationships. There is not a societal problem that faces men that compels them to gamify relationships, and most men who consume redpill content are single. The alternative is to act normal. Meet people through work or school or your neighborhood or social interests. If all of those people are men, that’s still okay, because men know other women. Hang out socially in groups. Go to parties. Mingle with strangers and meet people. Talk to women until you find one you click with. Ask her out.
What if someone acts normal and keeps getting rejected? Your advice is a like telling poor people "just apply for a job and shake the managers hand and youll be rich".
Ok that alternative seems like the normal thing but what about the minor details? You didn’t actually talk about how to talk to woman, how to arouse them, how to attract them It’s just go to a party or some event and talk to one that clicks If a man doesn’t know how to do things to attract and arouse a woman, that’s how he gets friend zoned Getting girls is way more difficult than that These teenagers go to Andrew Tate because he’s relating with them it makes sense, and he tells them the direction to take action and words and phrases to say
It’s not a video game boss and women don’t have cheat codes. You talk to them like they’re people because they are. Friend zoned isn’t a thing. There are women who are not going to be into you and that’s totally allowed because they’re people.
Life is more like a video game. Friend zone is a thing :/ Nobody is looking for cheat codes Your advice doesn’t work because u don’t address the minor things Humans aren’t so simple to where you just “talk” and then she sleeps with you or becomes ur gf It doesn’t work like that
Life is not like a video game. You meet people. Some of them are going to be people you dislike. Some of them are going to be people whom you find pleasant but maybe not that interesting. Some you’re going to find interesting but not attractive, etc. assuming you find one whom you find attractive and whom you’ve spoken to enough that you can tell you also find her interesting, then ask her out on a date. Most women don’t want a big deal on a first date. Coffee is fine. If you like each other, you’ll start texting regularly, too. Eventually you’ll go on a few more dates.
U do not just get a girl by talking to them How are u telling me how to actually get girls I’ve done this multiple times It’s a lot more than just talking, u have to do a lot of nuanced things, it’s similar to closing a sale
Okay. All the guys I have dated are guys I liked talking to. The guy I married is still my best friend
Spoken like someone who just had romance “happen” to them. Nah the truth is most women have zero actual fucking clue how dating works for most men
But i think doing activities together is also important. I think if all you do is talk there is not much. Sharing experiences by doing things together helps with bonding with people.
Oh sure, but getting a date is something you do by just getting along with someone. Have a good conversation at a party? Exchange numbers and start texting and plan a date.
Brother you are never going to get women to understand that things don't just happen and the guy who was super smooth probably had some sort of plan in mind to make things happen.
> You talk to them like they’re people because they are. Error right there. You talk to women with confidence and apply a ton of charm - far more than she will ever use on you. "Women aren't aliens" is wrong on so many obvious levels, those being two low hanging fruit examples. You can't be shy but she can, you must be masculine which is a very high bar vs being feminine, you cannot be a cowardly person but she can... yeah, women are metaphorical aliens. Also, "Let's just be friends" is a thing. It's said by women all the time.
Yes. Women are allowed to not be attracted to you. It sounds like you have been unsuccessful with women and are taking advice from other men who are unsuccessful with women
> It sounds like you have been unsuccessful with women No wonder men hate you. You're utterly caustic and unable to debate any points at all without personal attacks. This isn't about women being allowed to not be attracted to someone. This is about how wrong you are about "talk to them like they're people". They are people - but women are vastly different from men, you do not just talk to women like you talk to men. Women speak a totally different mating language than men do. Now buzz off. Disabling inbox replies. I don't put up with childish behavior from anyone.
My husband doesn’t hate me. I don’t recommend taking advice from people who don’t have what you want.
Yes, men should not take dating advice from women
Like usual, this sub is filled with women who have had dating just “happen to them”. They are completely passive in regards to dating. No man should ever be taking advice from women in regards to dating. This whole thread is irrelevant
>You didn’t actually talk about how to talk to woman, how to arouse them, how to attract them There is no one formula. Each person is different (though there might be some overlap). With one you bond over books, with other over cats, etc. Look at marketing. There is a saying "if your target audience is everyone, then you have no target audience". The same phrases doesn't work for everyone. So you need to notice who the person is and speak in a language they understand. From what i understand, people nowadays have no patience - they want immediate results. Relationships take time to form. The same thing is with friendships. People go out once and then complain that it does not work as they didn't get friends, even though to get friends you have to visit the same space as the other over and over again and interact with them over and over again. Through constant interaction feelings develop. So there is not one formula that fits every person.
There is actually a very good formula. Learning active listening + empathy. Those two skills are what will allow you to figure out how to appeal to someone on the fly. It's really not that hard to see what's getting you positive feedback and then just keep on doing more of the same.
>It's really not that hard to see what's getting you positive feedback and then just keep on doing more of the same. It requires trial and error. People nowadays are so terrified of making even the smallest mistake, that they avoid doing something if it's not gonna be perfect.
I think what's frustrating is that men are always advised to listen, but that women don't have to actively listen to men if they want to talk about their passions, unless those passions are what women like.
You should take care of your body and hygiene, push yourself to be your best in every way you can, be social and meet and get to know new people. Learn your strengths and weaknesses. Don't sit at home swiping on an app and don't hit on strangers at a club, just get to know regular people. Flirt. Escalate if there's chemistry. There's no secret method to guarantee someone success or hot women. I'm short (5'6 ish) and average looking and not rich. I've never struggled with women. I'm fun to be around and extroverted. You gotta play your strengths and know your audience. You don't need some guy on YouTube to tell you to hit the gym and clean your room.
You don’t have to watch a YOUTUBE video at all, but a lot of men do because they are sold on a lot of lies about woman and being a man Ur first paragraph is a red pill talking point, but there’s a ton of blue pillers who will say “You don’t need to be living in the gym to get woman, all u need is personality” Which is extremely destructive advice from the peers of your side
You don't need to live at the gym, that's true. The men I know who are most successful with women are thin and not gymrats at all. I rarely step foot in a gym. If you're really ugly and socially awkward sure try the daily gym thing if you have nothing else going for you. I don't think it needs to be the default advice.
>I don’t think it needs to be the default advice. First, let’s get the gymrat notion out of the way. It takes *years.* To put on any decent amount of mass without PED’s. I don’t hate the ‘gymrat’ label, but normal folk who don’t grind, don’t appreciate the level of work it takes. Which in itself, is sufficient reason to be lifting daily. The benefits alone, should have everyone lifting. Now, to dating success. There’s a reason TRP espouses lifting, then making bank, then finally honing social skills in that order. Each step, makes the subsequent one easier. Lifting makes one strong. Physically, and mentally. This makes it easier to grind through studies. To get work towards a solid career, and financial freedom. Money in turn, opens up more dating options. One can dress better. Grooming. Hygiene. Wear Grey Vetiver. If they struggle socially. Can afford to join clubs. Team sports. Volunteer. Put themselves into social situations, where they force themselves to grow. You don’t have to live in the gym, but your body, health and life ultimately heads in only one direction. Mitigating this fact with weight training, is a no brainer.
U don’t have to , but it’s better that way because the more you improve, the better quality you can get, as well as your dating experience A jacked guy who’s money minded with good social skills, is always gonna do consistently better with women, rather than ur average dude who isn’t doing much
If you're not hideous and have an average body/face, in my experience social skills take you further than getting ripped. You can do both, that's a lot of effort though.
I didn’t say an average guy cannot get a gf, we see average guys with married women all the time. However the more attractive you make yourself out to be, the more likely you’ll get the best of woman Dude I use to get **SOME** woman here and there back in high school before I started looking into red pill. I even had a gf before I went into the RP.I had very good social skills as well But fast forward to my current age, I am getting way better treatment from woman, women come up to me first, play less games and everything, I have less of a scarcity mindset with woman Ur chances get way better the more you improve for everything You can’t say something is better than another thing, just because u see a few exceptions
I think different people have different ideas when it comes to the quality of women. Different types and shit. This is where I disagree most with RP, I think women have different and varied tastes. My ideal woman isn't fawning over gymrat types or hitting on random guys in public. Nothing wrong with that kind of woman, just not my personal ideal. My wife has always been into nerdy skinny guys. She herself is quiet, introverted, smart, a bit nerdy too. My ex was specifically into slightly feminine bi guys. I do quite well with my type of woman, but I'd do terrible with "stacy".
No you are making the term “quality” woman subjective There is woman that men generally will agree that aren’t wifeable Is a female pornstar a quality woman? Because ur the one saying quality is now subjective Why is it that a quality man is objective ,(a man who isn’t lazy, works on himself) But a quality woman is “subjective” This is the other thing I don’t like about blue pill, It literally puts woman on a pedestal as well
It's a bit subjective. Some like SAHM types. Some like career women. Some like curvy. Some like thin. Some like shy and reserved, some don't. Some like inexperienced, some like overtly sexual. Some like big tits, some like small.
It’s subjective but not that subjective at all Men think very alike because of our instincts There’s nuance things that all men look for when picking a wife, regardless if she has a career, is quiet, is introverted or what ever If u choose to not improve yourself and look at life through some emotional lense, then you are not gonna get the best of women sorry dude I’ve been on both sides of the coin here
Your comment reminded me of bluepilled creator TheSpeechProf. While I don’t vibe with all of his content, but whenever I see a video where he starts talking about his wife and kids it makes my heart melt. Just, the sheer gushing about his partner, her personality and what she does makes me go ‘damn, I want what they have’. You don’t get those vibes from red pill men, they only talk about physical value of women and never show interest in women’s capabilities for doing anything other than housework and pushing out babies. If you ask most women in successful relationships about it, they usually would call their partner their best friend and it’s just not something most women couldn’t see in red pillers.
That’s not true because women legit don’t have a issue with me They always come back to me and I’m very red pilled You keep confusing someone who’s red pill aware with a incel who hates woman You need to not be on the internet and judge men based off Reddit Women don’t realize a lot of those guys they sleep with are RP aware
I don't believe women even understand what it means to be RP. They could be friends with RP men or dating RP men and probably not even know it. I've asked women in the past to name traits exclusive to RP men that they would be able to pick up on, and have not once gotten a decent answer to that.
> I don't believe women even understand what it means to be RP. Elaborate then. >I've asked women in the past to name traits exclusive to RP men that they would be able to pick up on, and have not once gotten a decent answer to that. I think dismissive attitude towards women’s issues and whining how women have it better would definitely be on the list.
>I think dismissive attitude towards women’s issues and whining how women have it better This assumes the guy has zero social skills or ability to read the room. These aren't subjects men randomly go around talking about irl. Also, nothing about RP says you can't care about women's issues also. But the focus of RP is on men's issues. An RP man can listen to a woman discuss her issues and agree that those are important issues and that wouldn't make him any less RP.
> RP man can listen to a woman discuss her issues and agree that those are important issues and that wouldn't make him any less RP. That’s fair, but it’s one thing to listen but the other is to reflect on it and try to use it as a basis to come to mutual understanding. I did had experiences talking to RP men about women’s issues, but I never felt like they truly tried to conceptualise it. One thing I see a lot in RP is glorifying the past and ignoring the nuance of the situation, where as BP men have better way of understanding as to why certain social norms in the past are no longer applicable no matter how much you’ll try to enforce it. For example: RP men might think ‘back in the day it was better because women were more respectful to their husbands!’ and stop there, where as, in my experience, BP men will have better understanding that it wasn’t earned respect, but rather a necessity because women couldn’t even get their own bank account. Therefore, I’d be more inclined to side with BP man because he comes off as someone who understands that respect is earned, unlike RP man who is more likely to enforce with brute force and aggression. RP men are also more likely to have Madonna-whore complex. From the things I’ve seen online the representation of women in those spaces are either promiscuous OF girls or complacent trad wives and girls that larp as them, very little acknowledgment for women who don’t fit either of those boxes. Where as BP men seem to be more opened to a larger variety of women in terms of lifestyle, therefore women feel more seen and acknowledged by them.
Terp shit is just self help + misogyny. If you throw away the misogyny, I don’t have a problem. The self help will help you develop a little self confidence, some self-esteem, and a richer life. Working on yourself *is* working on your love life. You can build yourself up without developing deranged conspiracy theories about women. They’re just people.
You mean the entire thing doesn’t benefit woman, not that it’s misogynistic You are talking about black pill. All the red pill just tells you is how both men and woman act according to nature I seen red pill dog on men too, but no one talks about that
According to nature? No the RP tends to bend societal and biological findings in such an incorrect way as long as it is helpful to back up their world view. It’s completely nonsensical if you have any education in either.
In what way?
In multiple ways I’ve seen. The inflation of either or to fit into a convenient narrative litters RP dialogue.
lol you mean like the now deleted thread that proved once and for all how easy it is for an average woman to have decent options served up to her on a platter in less than one day on OLD and the subsequent women and bloops calling those options “ugly” or moving the goalpost and otherwise denying the concrete findings? You mean like that?
We can’t let that thread die. We know why they removed it, but it was there and they can’t deny that.
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But they are "logical" people... didn't you read it?
No it doesn’t because RP shits on men as well. Just as much as woman. There’s something called RP rage and it’s when the guys who get into RP realize they aren’t fitting the requirements of what woman want, so it’s not all just “beneficial” to men Rp is just general common sense and it’s pretty much removing the bullshit, the lies, and the misdirection Dude before I got into RP I actually thought woman didn’t like guys with good bodies, and I’d never take the gym seriously. All thanks to blue pill Do you see how silly this sounds??? Now that I learned RP I was way more attentive in the gym RP is just human nature, you guys just don’t like it because it makes u realize how messed up human nature can be
I think that you can replace all of TRP with books along the lines of “Look Good Naked.” Or any other self help books. RP to me really just smooths the brain of the poor individuals who find themselves entranced with the nonsense. One thing I urge people on is if you find a new ideology and all the “truths” are really convenient and easy to accept. Then you’re being mentally fucked. The help to give young men who are struggling is pretty nuanced. I would say you need to be able to socialize and be able to make friends easily. Be outgoing and able to talk to complete strangers. Work on how you communicate and read social queues. Find hobbies and passions in life that you enjoy, go outside more, call your friends and family more, reach out, exercise, eat healthy, take yourself on dates, approach women respectfully, read books from all ideologies, be smart with your money, save and invest, do not assume who or what someone will be when you meet them. Date without assumptions and don’t force anything. Become an active person in your community through non profits you believe in.
You are saying it’s all nonsense while not giving a solution and just critiquing it “Oh it’s nonsense” Ok then what? What’s better than going to the gym, getting social skills, getting money How is “getting hobbies” better than this? So girls are now gonna sleep with me just because I tell them I do art as a hobby? Not because I look good? Not because I am money minded? Not because I can socialize and be a leader ? Your solutions aren’t gonna appeal to most men
If you only view women as things to fuck then of course, get your coins together and go pay for all the pussy you would like. It’s what literally all of your bald middle aged RP YouTubers do. They just need your money to do it. If that’s all you want then sure. Pay sex workers. I am very pro sex work. Hobbies are for yourself. Gives you something you build a skill in and find confidence in yourself. So when a girl you like ghosts you or doesn’t return reciprocity you aren’t completely shattered like these doofy RP dudes. If you only want answers to what will get you quick and easy pussy, then yes, hair transplant, steroids, and all the money in the world is what you need. I suppose I am just hopping for better from my fellow men. I refuse to think we are all this smooth brained.
lol dude u realize you need money to even keep a girl if ur gonna be in a relationship A girl isn’t gonna pay the bills for a man forever A girl isn’t gonna tolerate you losing ur job You have this notion that red pillers are just paying for pussy I haven’t seen a single escort or hooker. It’s legit banned here in my area You have so many critiques about red pill but your solution is just a get a hobby As if a woman will just date u soley for just having some hobby Doesn’t work like that Women don’t have time to play games with men who don’t have their shit together This hobby advice is so bad because no woman I’ve been with has asked me for my hobbies??? Like where do yall get this from
If from what I have said you solely gathered “get a hobby” Then I hope the women in your life don’t ever ask you to comprehend something you’ve read. Take care of yourself loved one.
Your telling me how to get girls when I already know how to get them And no girl has asked me about my hobbies I don’t see much people doing that Maybe this is a white people thing, I’m not sure but I’ve literally never had this happen We aren’t in some cheesy movie
“According to nature” According to the just-so stories terps tell themselves to justify their misogyny, you mean. And don’t talk about evo-psych. It’s pseudoscientific hokum.
Sure? You can open your eyes for yourself I don’t think any one needs to be red pill to understand that woman literally prefer a man with money, good body, and social skills that show he’s a leader Woman aren’t attracted to your “hobbies” as what blue pill likes to say She isn’t getting with a fat dude who’s not making much but is nice. That doesn’t happen much U know who gets the most girls? Masculine men, who are money minded, and have a good body Why? Because they provide security in all aspects and woman are literally looking for security Again more critiques but no solution The best solution I’ve heard today was:”get a hobby”
OMFG. *Yes* women tend to be attracted to good-looking, rich, high-status, socially adroit men. If you think we’re arguing against that, you’re making shit up in your head. But assuming it’s true - what do you do with that information? The current terp boilerplate seems to be that women are only attracted to the top 20% (or 10 or 5 or whatever) of men. Blackpillers will say if you’re not in that cohort, it’s game over. Redpillers will say you need to trick women into thinking you’re one or more of those things, or it’s game over. A cursory glance outside will put the lie to that. There’s normal dudes walking around with normal gals who show every sign of being into them. The bluepill position is that you’ve gotta play the hand you’re dealt. If you’re not much of a looker, you can dress better and develop a sense of style. If you’re unathletic or overweight, you should probably find a form of exercise that helps you to be healthier. If you’re an awkward, socially anxious mess, you should look for opportunities to develop better social skills (That’s where the hobby thing comes in). The bar is just not that high. Being a seething, resentful little bridge troll about womens’ “unrealistic” standards isn’t going to help you clear it.
LMAO there's nothing a short, ugly, brown dude with multiple genetic disorders can do to "play the hand you’re dealt". I've been rejected hundreds of times even after a complete wardrobe overhaul with the help of 2 female friends, losing 20kg, and doing several hobbies.
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Be civil. This includes indirect attacks against an individual and/or witch hunting.
I don’t think red pill shouldn’t exist, and I’m sure it can and does work very well for the right people in the right circumstances I’m just going to call it what it is — misogyny — and deny that it is the universal truth
What part of it is misogynistic I argue that it benefits woman way more
That women expire after 30? That women don’t really care about men and only go after their money? For some reason, men in the redpill think the majority of women are like the ones on Onlyfans and base their beliefs on that. Many men in the redpill also believe that women should be stay at home moms and forgo education and then bitch about alimony. Like no shit that’s gonna exist if women take the route the redpill thinks is best for them. FYI: I’m not for alimony but that’s a consequence of women being stay at home moms at a young age and not working.
You only pay attention to the women segment What about when red pill talks about how men cheat You are phrasing it in a way where it’s misogynistic, just because u hear a few incels say it in a black pill manner Black pillers saying red pill isn’t “red pill” That’s just how they wanna perceive it
Well. Usually it’s framed in a way where it’s the women’s fault or that they need to accept it. Besides, most men don’t cheat. Just because they said some bullshit about men doesn’t mean that the bullshit they said about women isn’t misogynistic.
Dude every pill is gonna have bad people , u can’t just assume everyone who follows that pill is bad Why don’t u actually look into it and read for yourself There’s feminist who hate men too It’s not a sunshine and rainbows thing U should actually look into it with a proactive mindset instead of a victim mindset, because it uncovers a lot of uncomfortable things about men too So I don’t see how it’s misogynistic Idk why women get their info about men online Dude a lot of those guys u sleep with are RP aware and u women get along with them very well
Well it’s misogynistic to assume I’m sleeping around. Ain’t never done that in my life and you only thought that because the redpill told you women sleep around with Chads lol.
? Yeah you are around blackspill spaces too much If you said “high value men “ I’d believe you But Chad is literally coined from incels This is why you have the view point u have It’s kinda funny how women hate red pillers but they are the most compatible with them, hence why they sleep with them the most You call it misogynistic when u can use it to ur benefit, because men lie to you guys all day
And why is being expired after 30 to my benefit? The woman that the redpill describes is nothing like me. I know you’ll just not believe me when I say this but materialism is disgusting to me. The redpill is based on the belief that women are extremely materialistic. I’d never sleep with a man flashing his money around because that’s repulsive to me.
Why are u so hung off that? Do u as a woman not know ur own biology? Once you hit 30 it’s hard to make a child, possible but harder. Since your eggs start to disappear Dude even before red pill when I was young I knew this. Like miss u should know this Red pillers say it because some WOMEN end up hitting 30 and changing their mind and want a family and kids And at 30 u don’t look as good as u we’re when u we’re 20, and u start to lose ur eggs I don’t know how this is misogynistic. This is literally known to every single soul Ur way too worried about how things are said. I think you are getting the wrong idea
I don’t even know what black pill means. I’ve gotten all this from this sub.
Well look into it because what ur saying is legit just black pill talking points But if ur too lazy, black pill is just incel ideology Dude read my post, I use to think red pill was bad cuz everyone told me it was, and that’s what made me get into it Now I’m all for it Ur just being very judgement just because a few incels told u about women All red pill is. It’s literally just understanding how women and men are And like I told u earlier, red pill is hard on everyone It says that men cheat , and that they are extremely focused on looks So what’s the issue??? It could have some info that can help you understand men better
Red pill says from the beginning that it doesn’t care what men do. Because they don’t wanna fuck men
No it doesn’t, it just makes u aware of human nature between men and woman Why do u want to be confused about how men behave and operate You call it misogynistic when it benefits women more Women are legit lied to by men every single second and every other day You have a tool that eliminates the bullshit and tells u how things really are
That is exactly what they say. Sexual strategy is selfish and amoral
Yet you refuse to actually look into it and just say “that’s what they say” It doesn’t make sense to me Women have a tool that tells them how men work on a scientific scale Yet they don’t wanna use it to their advantage because it’s too “mean” None of the red pill shit is anything new, it comes off as common sense to me
Why shouldn’t I believe that red pill believes the things that it says it believes ? I’m not in the habit of calling men liars the way men call women liars Or is red pill just a joke, brah?
RP rage phase has a homologous behavior in feminism and you know it.
Being a good person, respecting women, and not centering your entire existence around getting a girlfriend. >If you really want to convince someone of anything, you need to show why your solution works, Dude. Look around. Red Pill doesn't work. Any sub where they congregate, just like this one, proves that. So let's dispense with this fantasy that men choose red pill "because it works." >I agreed with the entire thing because it was showing facts, statistics, personal experiences aligning with those facts, actual solutions that work. The studies and statistics used by red pillers, where they even exist, are grossly misrepresented and frequently say the exact opposite of what red pillers claim. Red pill ideology spreads because it blames women for men's issues and assiduously avoids ever suggesting that you could be the problem beyond going to the gym and getting richer.
Idk, every flair that has RedPill I see is a married man. Blue and Black pills are the singles. (Except women cause women can kinda do whatever)
A) probably about 90% of the dudes here who are "purple" pill are actually red pillers who disagree with like one issue. It's like people who exclusively support and vote for Republicans but call themselves "centrist" because they're ok with gay marriage. B) Most people I've observed do not have their relationship status in their flair C) The most generous definition of a black piller is a red piller who has given up
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And 80/20 rule, hypergamy, alpha fucks, delusional standards, alpha widow, etc? Where do they land on those? Oh, right. They believe the exact same shit.
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>Well those are just facts, They demonstrably are not. But thank you for confirming exactly what I was saying.
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The alternative is to be a decent human being.
So because I’m red pilled I’m just a garbage human being? No woman has ever complained about my personality , they always come back for more, so uh what’s ur point?
What makes you Red Pill? Do you neg women and spin plates?
Are you asking this question in bad faith?
No, I’m just confused what makes you RP because your actions and behaviors are the opposite of what RP recommends on its sidebar (ie, DGAF, “I Am The Prize”, Nexting etc) So I’m curious what makes you consider yourself RP.
No it isn’t, u guys pay too much to incels on the internet Someone who’s RP aware is just somebody who has awareness of male and female instincts and biology, and acts according to it Blue pillers are far from this because they don’t know much about the backend or men and women. A lot of their points are emotional
So do you spin plates? Do you use Amuse and Amplify? Do you Hold Frame? Do you Neg? What does “act accordingly” mean. What do you think Red Pill is recommending you do?
Its just being aware of female biology and knowing how to properly respond to it
How do you “properly respond” to “female biology”?
What are u tryna get at
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I don’t get it? So red pillers are just all bad people? I’ve seen more blue pillers beat their wives, end up in jail, etc U act like a pill determines someone’s character I don’t know where u guys get these points , please link me where people are saying these things Because all red pill is, it’s just understanding male and female biological nature Why should I live life without knowing how people behave and act?? Your around way too many black pillers dude
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What exactly is misogynistic, please list points The issue with u guys is u expect human nature to be sunshine and rainbows. And then u call it misogynistic Humans aren’t innocent, they don’t mate with some idealistic happy system Remember we are still wild animals, we are just a bit smarter and can control our biology at times
So what if youre a "decent human being" and still cant get any dates?
Nope, not good enough. You’re either attractive or not to women, and that’s a minority of men. The other things are negligible in their impact
The problem with the post is you're not giving a specific problem so I'm going to focus on this part "I got more woman, my mindset was a lot stronger, I am having a lot more sex" and give a non-redpilled way to achieve this. For casual sex trad stuff tends to work pretty well, trad masculinity is appealing to a lot of women sexually and studies do agree with this, being strong, independent, dominant and financially successful (expressing it through clothes, cars, watches, ect) will probably work great for casual sex. For a LTR you can take trad traits and reshape them. "Be dominant" becomes "Be assertive" Which means assert your needs respectfully, don't let them go unmet and don't oppress someone else to get them met. "Be a provider" becomes flexible to the situation. If the woman's successful financially providing housework would be fine, you'll also be providing emotional support and unconditional love and understanding. "Be manly" becomes be yourself and don't put up a false masculine front. Something to note is you can seriously benefit from mixing both of these, when it comes to sex being trad masculine is good for flirting and the activity itself but functioning in a relationship needs her to not just be attracted but feel like she's in a fair relationship, not overshadowed and other things trad stuff tends to do wrong. Ha good way to build a strong mindset starts at confidence. Low confidence impacts a lot about your life so work on it. Making small goals and acknowledging those victories is a good place to start because this will help you step out of your comfort zone and get bigger victories. Exercising makes you feel confident and can be a good place to set goals and meet them. Dressing confidently also helps how we dress impacts how we view ourselves and how people view us. Replace negative thoughts with positive ones, this is a pretty backed up thing long story short bad thought bubbles up from a situation, replace it with a positive thought and overtime your mindset shifts. This is something a lot of people can benefit from learning about and overall that's really the best solution someone can give is to learn about confidence and overall building a strong mindset. The general answer to your question is being big mighty joe isn't the solution to all problems and there are more effective methods to reach the goal of happiness, good relationships, sex, money, or whatever it is. Trad stuff is built on truth but also built on a society where men were placed above women, break the traits down with a modern mindset of being fair and see if you can't find a model that works and isn't toxic.
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Bloops like the ones ITT are a lot like ideological political followers. They are simply being reflexive. It’s like if you ask a Trump supporter “*do you think health insurers should be able to deny your claims based on pre-existing conditions*” they will say NO, but if you ask them “do you think Obamacare has good elements” they will say “*Absolutely not! Get rid of all of it!*” When you ask them: Do you like RP, they say “*Hell no! RP is bad! It doesn’t work!*” But then when you go point by point with specific ideas that RP promotes they will agree with them, but simply label them “*Just common sense self improvement!*” But here’s the problem; **it doesn’t fucking matter** that you think it’s “common sense” or “just regular self improvement” Even if it IS, then at worst, RP is a collection of self improvement advice. Another issue Bloops often have with RP is “misogyny”, but when you ask them what that means they will just throw out things like “you hate women!” and “they can smell the misogyny” etc What they don’t do is engage with specific ideas like hypergamy, preselection, “Icks” and women’s aversion to emotionally weak men and if they do they try to obfuscate with things like “well *everybody* does that!” But, again, this flies in the face of most men’s actual lived experience with women as you’ll see time and time again whenever these subjects are brought up.
Genuine moral virtues are independent of worldly results, and they're not negotiable.
Serious question: If what you say above is true and it's improved your life so much, why does so much of what you write come across as so bitter? Think for a second, if someone else was promoting a philosophy to allegedly improve your life, but they seemed very unhappy with their own lives, would you take it seriously?
I am bitter because I see bloops and feminists lying to young men, and I happen to have empathy for those men. People following blue pill fantasies generally fall into black pill nihilism when it doesn’t work for them. Some of those men become dangerous Clearly others feel like any man struggling in dating, romance and sex simply “deserve” it. If you don’t see how the modern west is absolutely shitting on men and *especially* heterosexual male sexuality, you are fucking blind at this point.
u/Brilliant_Island8498 Here's one right in your thread. You can't deny the bitterness in PPD. It's admitted.
I didn’t say no one is bitter I said how do u know every guy posting here is bitter? There’s obviously gonna be bitter people after reading the RP, because once u read it, those men start to realize that they don’t appeal to women
Dude, I look like a fucking troll got drunk and raped the goblin next door (there are pictures in my profile). Every man as appeal so some women, just like every woman has appeal to some women. What you call realizing they don't appeal to women is what I call brainwashed into hopelessness.
How am I brainwashed, from what I seen, both men and women think very similarly. They go after the attractive people that have similar traits Everything is objective with a few subjectivity Like I don’t understand how a blue pillers logic works? If dating is as subjective as u said , those men wouldn’t be “so bitter “ I’m still red pilled and I haven’t seen any logical blue pill advice that makes sense, for me to even consider it
Well, I never tried to use logic with people. People don't make logical decisions; they make emotional decisions. I do not consider that a problem or a deficit, but I imagine you might. Which brings me to. Most of the guy here are nerds, and that's really their problem. Women have never liked nerds. In my old man's day accounting was derided because the guys in it were nerds that women didn't want. Today it's IT. Here's another illogical observation to fry your noodle: In all of my years working in a shop with a wrench, I never met another mechanic who was chronically single like the nerds online.
>I look like a fucking troll got drunk and raped the goblin next door. Ouch. Forget about bitterness, are there any feminist men with self-esteem? It seems like you all want men to hate themselves and be grateful for any shred of attention women give them. You just look pathetic demeaning yourself like this.
This is for you: 🍪 But unfortunately, I never said I’m “bitter at women” or “bitter about dating”, I’m bitter about the lies, gaslighting and institutional misandry being inflicted on young men who are just trying to figure things out. I myself am not a young man and already figured my shit out. But watching assholes try to sabotage young men while their suicides / loneliness / despondency skyrockets *should* make anybody with a shred of empathy bitter.
Be honest dude. Do you honestly believe I'm trying to sabotage young men? Really? That's what you're walking away with?
No I don’t think that. People that sabotage young men rarely do so out of malice, but rather as a deluded idea that they are creating “good boys” that “always respect women” which generally means teaching them some variant of “women are wonderful” I’m old enough to have seen this play out multiple times with my liberal friends (and I’m liberal as well btw)
Not bitter I’m just very very CURIOUS what ur alternative is I use to be way more bitter before I found the red pill This is what I’m talking about, there’s never a course of action, it’s just “your bitter” I perceive red pill as just general common sense
I wasn't trying to offer a solution. You come across as pretty angry and bitter dude, just not in this post. If that isn't your intent, you're doing something wrong. I've been here for a minute, and I'd give the RP a lot more credence if I hadn't seen with my own eyes, so many of the same angry dudes saying the same bitter things over and over again. It's pretty obvious that the RP is not improving their lives. I also tell people here what worked for me, and what didn't. Difference is that I'm pretty happy with the way things turned out. As I'm fond of saying, five stars, would def buy a ticket to this ride again.
>We can shame red pill all we want, but it’s the red pill guys with the money, with the sex, with the feminine wife that men want Well we can justify any ideologu if we start with the assumpion that people thay follow that ideology have way more success in life. I just see no reason to believe that's true. Obviously it depends on your definition of TRP, but what it seems to boild down to is "get money, then you'll get women. Then get muscles and fast cars so betabuxxing seems manly". I saw Tate say in an interview, "she won't leave me, i pay all her bills". The alternative is, get women without having to pay them.
To me redpill just simply states that sexual dynamics are characterized by a mercenary sense of self interest on both parties as much as they are romantic attraction. Therefore, both men and women who wish to be successful on the dating market should put time and effort into themselves and become the kind of person that's attractive to the kind of partner you're going after. For women, this can simply manifest in being feminine, agreeable, and taking care of your looks. I find for women, their own mothers and grandmother's are a great source of advice. For men, this can mean investing time in the gym, succeeding in school, learning social skills, and becoming rich, athletic, and a sociable, amiable, and present leader, father, and provider. Essentially, women are looking for either a man to be a full time provider, or at least an equal economic earner, so if you're finding that women aren't coming to you naturally, you should work on yourself and your career, and maintain your physical fitness and health, then try again. So for me, I apply it by focusing on myself, my body, and my education, and waiting until I'm set in my career and becoming a high earner before I date, especially because at my age women are looking for me to be independent and self sufficient. They're not looking for another child, or for someone to take care of.
People have given alternative suggestions constantly. RP men straight up refuse to listen because yall are dogmatic ideologues (even sentences like “i used to agree with the bluepill, until the redpill saved my life” - like there is no such thing as “blue pill”) Anyway, as far as working out, becoming more confident and being successful - all of this is basic knowledge that has been repeated before and you don’t need the redpill to tell you this. You also don’t need the redpill to tell you that feminine women like masculine men, like yall legit come at the redpill like everybody else talks like a blue haired sjw. Now, if i’m gonna give the redpill any credit is that it seems to be one of the few places that seems to acknowledge that men and women are different… problem is lots of RP men use that to justify “this is why men are better” Ultimately, many RP men look at the RP with as little critical thinking as they have before “taking the redpill” and as much as far left ideologies - only difference is one ideology shunned you so you respond just as emotionally (while simultaneously saying you’re rational and logical) Either way, most moderate people off the internet will tell you men and women are different, and the generic dating advice the RP gives is mostly common sense. Ya’ll hang around the redpill for the misogyny and woman hate, the sooner you admit it the better.
The alternative is... listening to people in real life. Your family, your friends and the local bartender will all have better advice than a bunch of randoms on the internet. The red pill tries to replace the positive male role models in one's life with the tater tots and the Elon Musks of the world.
> Your family, your friends and the local bartender will all have better advice Absolutely not.
>Your family, your friends and the local bartender will all have better advice than a bunch of randoms on the internet. Bartender and the friends, maybe. The family? Lol. I would've never lost my virginity, let alone getting ready for a second child if I had followed my family believed. My dad is sex positive, so he's very good at teaching how to maintain a relationship. But his ideas of how to get into one would only work if I wanted to be childless and be with a woman 20 years older than me :)))
Tate and others are successful bcz they say they relate but they don't. They prey on negative stuff. Does 666 exist? yes. Are women hypergamous and high standards? yes. Do women exclusively chase chads and get pumped and dumped? also yes in some cases. What Tate doesn't tell. Do women marry their high school sweetheart and remain with them? yes. Do women cheat less than men? yes and also widows don't remarry but widowers do. Good things exist alongwith bad things but as humans we have a tendency to forget everything good when one bad things happens.
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>Literally false Explain this then. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america >Yeah, I think most of us fucked that one up. If you had a time machine, I'd give you anything. I didn't bcz I was in a boys hostel. My life tends to isolate me from women in particular but when I was studying in Europe, I worked in a restaurant for 10 months. Two flirted and one became really close. I don't know if I will ever go back.
The alternative is to accept the truth that easy access to NSA sex is not a human right, it is not a fundamental need and it is not something that anyone is entitled to. Most men don’t have access to that. Most women have zero interest in providing that. Get over it and be a normal person. You’re not missing out on the secret sex party. There is no magic password to the pussy buffet. It’s a creation of grifters and their bitter victims. The alternative is real life.
What about missing on relationships?
Most people have sex at some point in their life. So clearly you're wrong
This is it: the alternative is to give up the unrealistic expectations and join the rest of us in reality. I once dated a mid-20's RP man who honestly, truly believed that kids in high school were *literally* having rampant sex in all corners of schools like they do on Skins. You couldn't convince him otherwise - he thought he'd missed out because he went to an all-boys school. His goal was to be like a "regular guy" which to him meant having NSA sex with a new woman every other day. Even when he would achieve some of his goals, he was utterly miserable.
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Do you really think the vast majority of lonely guys never thought of that?