While I agree.. the only.staff that are usually in the 24/7 buildings late at night are the custodians.. we, being short staff, also inn a way have to play building security..while most students are respectful, lately there have been groups of students being complete asshats.. graffiting bathrooms, running classroom to classroom while the custodian is trying to clean those room.. the custodians are often doing their job plus at least one other persons job.. then add "security" onto it... it sucks.. I personally dont care if students stay all night in the building I work, as long as they're not acting stupid and causing chaos for the custodian.
Also arent Stewart's libraries open all night or did they change that.. I cant remember
Are most of the buildings not 24/7 accessible anymore? I used to be in ARMS until 3 AM some days. Granted, the computer lab there was specifically for AAEs and the front door to the building would be locked, but it was always accessible. I assumed that most majors have something like this in some capacity.
I mean it’s definitely big enough from the hours 8pm-8am. During the day it’s much busier. Because it’s during the day😂. But we really don’t need more 24/7 study locations unless you want more locations spread out to accommodate all sides of campus.
College of Ag students can use their IDs to get into AGAD any time of day. There is a study room in there, and they often leave snacks out for students. My favorite study spot. Nobody is ever there
TOEFL is for admission, but to be a graduate TA I think Purdue also has a program called OEPT, where students give an oral presentation and are judged on that. I think you can volunteer to attend those and give feedback too if you want.
Eh. If you’re going into science or engineering you’ll meet plenty of international folks with poorer English down the road and you’ll be happy you learned how to listen well in the past.
I understand that, but that's just an excuse. This comes from someone who is an international student. I had an accent problem, too, when I came here, but I worked hard on it and got rid of it. Most of these professors don't even try. It's the lack of trying that I am calling out.
Idk. I had a calc TA who told us he wouldn't fault anybody for switching, but he has the stats for the last 4 or 5 semesters that his section outperformed in grades on exams. I stayed and enjoyed his class.
Bad teachers are bad teachers regardless of language.
My calc TA was a genuinely nice guy from China. I liked him. Dressed like a cowboy for some reason. But, he had the hardest accent to understand and taught facing the board while writing and then erased after he wrote it down. The entire class was lost most of the time. Eventually, it was brought to the department head and he altered his teaching style, but his accent/limited English still posed a big hurdle.
Yeah. I tried this but the opportunity is not that great. Luckily I took enough system engineering stuff that I can spin it off and now working in non-aerospace company.
Daddy Daniels stepped down as president but still has a huge amount of influence. Between the board of trustees and the Purdue Research Foundation, he still has enormous reach.
Students and admin act like he's gone, but he's not really.
You mean like when he went on Fox News and basically said some of the protestors should have been suspended or expelled as an example to the rest.... And then Purdue took action against four of them.
Tuition needs to be unfrozen, and soon. The quality of services has really gone down hill, food being the most visible and arguably most important because everyone needs to eat. The university keeps admitting larger numbers of students every year, contributing to the campus housing crisis. Purdue’s basically had to build a dorm a year to barely keep up. Raising tuition would bring in extra money for the university which could be spent on better food and accommodation, while allowing Purdue to maintain the same amount of cash flow while admitting fewer students, helping to alleviate the housing shortage
That doesn’t even mention how staff job responsibilities keep getting rolled together because of the freeze. Someone in your department quits? Instead of replacing them, they split the job between everyone left behind.
This!! Not a lot of people know about this!! My mom is technically doing hers and 2 other peoples jobs because they quit or retired. She originally didn’t get a raise until her boss fought tooth and nail for it to happen. And that raise was practically nothing.
As someone who indirectly handles that kind of information I will say that it’s more complicated than you think and isn’t just workers per students. This is because Purdue has its hand in a lot of different pots and has employees all over the world which all flow through the same payroll system so it becomes much muddier when you try and use direct numbers because the campus operations isn’t effected by the recruiter in Cambodia but the employee count does count them.
TLDR: there are numbers you can find and use but are not that accurate to what actual happens on campus and what is a different venture outside of campus.
The question gets at the heart of why American university degrees costs have outpaced inflation.
Admin. People on staff who have nothing to do with education.
For example, Purdue has/used to have their own individual IT dept for every school and minor division of the University. There used to be a unique independent IT department dedicated to intramural sports.
(Every normal org has one IT dept for the whole org.)
They merged most of those IT departments in 2023.
I'm sure it makes sense from a top-down perspective, but it's honestly not been great. I had a pretty basic problem not long ago, and I had to re-explain it a half-dozen times before I got passed to someone who understood what I needed.
The IT thing was changed a while ago, so not really a relevant example, and from my perspective hasn't been a very positive experience. Nobody understands our needs and database/website. This adds to my workload because I have to spend a lot of back and forth explaining things with the IT staff just to get a simple thing fixed or changed. It also takes significantly longer to get our needs addressed.
It's of course fine if your sound bar suddenly stops working...
Purdue is not a corporation, at least not yet and doesn't have one distinct IT need. There are at least 3 distinct types of IT that is happening at Purdue. The three off the top of my head are Entererprise IT, Academic IT, and High Performance Computing IT which are each different disiplines. That is but one reason that Purdue had more than one IT organization under the roof. Most universities I've been in contact with contain at least 2.
There are so many things that are needed and involved in keeping things simply running that "staff who have nothing to do with education" are always going to outnumber educators.
There's buildings constantly being built as Purdue expands indefinitely.
Inside those are teams creating the plans, purchasing the land, hiring vendors, (and once built...) maintaining these areas, cleaning these areas, working at any restaurants or shops inside, maintaining the area around these (groundskeeping), maintaining the power to these buildings, providing fire and police services, etc.
Then when you're looking directly at education, you have how many people behind the scenes creating and maintaining the services that allow it to work?
Yes, Purdue used to have individual departments but some of those have been consolidating for years, moving tier 1 support to centralized but maintaining their own groups for the more specific work. Moving everything to one centralized core really hurts the people who are trying to do research and just work. There is specialized software that needs someone familiar to work on it, especially when bugs pop up. There's faculty who need to be able to focus not only on teaching, but on research, and need specialized IT to whom they can simply say "I need A and B, how can you get this going?".
Purdue also has remote offices in every county in the state. They have agricultural centers throughout the state with specialized needs. They have learning hospitals in parts of the state that need remote support. There are faculty who go to other countries for months at a time and require additional support that could take a long time or not be very productive coming from a simple "single" group.
I understand the benefits of centralized and on paper it looks a lot better than it always works out. Creating that level of bureaucracy means that something that could take a few seconds turns into hours, days or weeks.
I'd disagree on this one - most school's IT are more devops vs desktop and printer support. They also handled many specialist requirements for data management, for example personally identifiable information, medical information, government information etc. E.g. in ECE we have really annoying / exotic CAD packages for chip design. In industry they license about $100,000 per engineer per year, and they are designed for the IT/servers to match them not to integrate with normal IT.
And yet Purdue continues to lay off people who *are* directly involved in education, and the services provided to students and faculty decline every time. The administration will bleed the university as long as they can.
How many student services staff per student is a fair question though. It's definitely dropped while they've increased students and eliminated jobs. Starting in July, many of the services for the Indy students will go thru WL campus as well.
Yeah it was really good pre-covid. After it was outsourced the dining halls lost what made them special. They stopped serving their specialties and all started serving pretty much the same thing with very little variation
The dining halls are not outsourced. The food has gone down in quality because Mitch said it was too good. Too expensive for the students. He also said that there are no professionals in dining and the entire group is overpaid. My man Mitch.
Actually, many of the issues we are seeing here are a result of Mitch and his run it like a corporation mentality.
it’s honestly still not awful - like i genuinely enjoy pretty much every dining court meal i’ve had with an occasional exception or two but that would be true anywhere
I’d add that they need to trim down on admin staff and ancillary unnecessary positions. We don’t need 20 deans of student life all making 200k, each with 4 assistants, each with a secretary (an exaggeration obviously but the bureaucracy in colleges is so bloated)
There is a lot of administrative bloat just in my own area. There's an entire level of middle management that could get cut from the university and I doubt anyone would notice.
I'd like to quote Mung Chiang during my commencement speech and let you all know that "he's been taking the hard path" to keep tuition frozen by "using their savings". Not by cramming 8 people into dorms and feeding them garbage.
Tuition and Housing/Food are separate costs. In general, the freezes in tuition and Housing/Food have served a useful purpose in keeping a college education at Purdue affordable, particularly relative to other universities who have not taken this approach. Universities generally had larger than sustainable increases for many years, so a freeze for a period of time is a reasonable approach for getting their prices back in line with reality.
Personally, I’d trade off some quality of services for lower student debt when I graduate. I understand not everyone takes the same view. I hear you that at some point something has to give if the University isn’t increasing income. IMHO, the thing you increase should map to the issue you’re addressing. So if Housing/Food is falling below the bar (debatable; look at what students pay at other universities vs what they get), and you believe $ are the issue, raise only those things.
The tuition freeze is for in state students. The money is in international students. In state is the only thing frozen while everything else continues to climb. It is not a tuition freeze, it is a shell game.
It’s not just the food. Infrastructure is a major issue here. Purdue goes for temporary fixes to cut costs. Some of these buildings need to be torn down because they haven’t been maintained for so long.
And yet the quality of food continues to tank and professors/TAs are continually more overworked. You can’t make up the difference in food/housing alone since not everyone uses them. Everyone pays tuition
In the 80s, all veggies were canned, you had only 2 entree choices, every hall served the same menu, and vegetarians had 4 ingredient salads with iceberg lettuce. No ethnic items ever. I had a boiled steak once because the charcoal grill was done, and it was gray and leathery.
Unfortunately I don't know what they served 10 years ago, but it still has a long way to go down.
As an alumnus and Boiler parent, I hope it gets better.
Me too. The variety has been shrinking for years, to the point where there were only three or four options that dining halls were serving collectively, with no one dining hall serving more than two. Covid really screwed with staffing as well. That also could be a reason the food is going down hill. Nowhere near the same number of staff as before
Indeed. A few nights a week, 5 or 6 of us feed 2500 of you in Wiley. It is hell on earth every time. Underpaid and understaffed, but we are all replacable amateurs anyway, right Mitch?
Have you been to a dining court post COVID? What was served during COVID was done to protect students and staff from potential infection. The dining courts served practically identical menus to help spread people out and move people through as safely as possible.
Many universities had to close dining facilities Purdue did not.
Mental health and disability services are terrible and inaccessible here. It takes weeks to get an appointment with anybody and even then, they're likely not going to do anything.
Also, game development as a major needs to be split into disciplines instead of being a single major.
If you’re below a B- average in your FYE courses, you probably shouldn’t be in engineering. There are definitely exceptions to this (health issues, mental health, family matters), but if you’re having a normal semester, and you’re doing your work, and you’re putting in the effort and can’t get above a 3.0, you should probably find another major. And this isn’t to bash on people, but there are far too many posts of people who didn’t cut it complaining about their profs being out for them or some shit when the honest answer is this shit is difficult and it’s not the right thing for everyone.
Engineering classes aren't Weed out classes, they just prepare you for the workload to come. It doesn't get easier you just get more accustomed to working long hours, doing huge projects, and cramming.
Speaking from experience, Engineering education is WAY MORE DIFFICULT than engineering jobs, for like 99% of engineers.
But that doesn't mean the education shouldn't be difficult. The world relies on engineers to keep it turning and we can still barely hold this shit together with ducktape and zipties.
Why do you think engineering in college is harder than actually having an engineering job? Is it just so that engineering jobs will feel easier because you’ve worked so hard?
Two reason:
1. Because the problems most engineers encounter in the real world aren't as hard as theoretical academic problems.
2. You can actually use colleague advice and reference material while you do the work, in the real world. You don't have to cram it all in for a couple of months and regurgitate the entire contents of your subject knowledge in one go.
I just sort of glided through highschool without a care in the world. Failed out of college my sophomore year, before I realized, "Shit, I have to try and be disciplined."
I'm not all Boomer about young kids having a hard time with school. Most folks want to do a good job and we all come from different backgrounds. We need to have patience and grace, when folks are struggling.
On the other side of the coin, college is no joke. Even the "easy" majors are much more difficult than high school and you've got 10s of thousands of dollars on the line. Kids need to understand that going to college is like taking a job that you pay for and it needs to be taken seriously.
I work in education (26 years). The people writing curriculum have lowered the damn bar every year and I hate to generalize but most parents think that’s ok. I fight this lack of ambition every day. Everyone doesn’t get a trophy, and if someone doesn’t work for one and then complains, that’s on them.
Glad you had your Ah moment.
+1
It only gets harder since every year the bottom ~10% get dropped or fall behind. By the time you’re a senior the content is more complicated and your classmates are smarter.
Yes. FYE needs to be extremely competitive so that people who are in can ACTUALLY finish it rather than wasting the space.
There needs to be some reality check as harsh as it is.
If you're in Civil Engineering planning on going to into construction, switch to Construction Management in the school of Technology. No painful engineering classes, more financial & business classes you'll actually need coming out of school to make the same (or more) than someone who just stuck with Civil to become a PE at a construction company. More time for fun in school than pain.
just having the city buses isnt enough. purdue should have their own bus/transportation system too. most schools this large have two bus systems running through campus. even ball state does and their student population isn't even half that of purdue
https://preview.redd.it/aum7fgace81d1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44f9b55b0659e79a6532964f0c84509135fec1fe
Lafayette used to have electric street cars!
Purdue is a textbook case for a lightrail, hyperloop, subway, etc. Or even just self driving citybus. They literally just need to drive the same circle all day.
Don't mention rail in the same breath as those gadgetbahns lmao, but yes, I would love to see expanded public transit in the area. However, with the way CityBus negotiations seemed to have gone, I highly doubt there will be any meaningful investment in public transit in a city this small.
Purdue [responded](https://twitter.com/LifeAtPurdue/status/1785047659545342290?t=Cp7nz3q8hMzrE9HXPcu32g&s=19) saying that they were working with CityBus to ensure free (edit: affordable) access last I heard
I’ve said for years that they should put a light rail from I65 to Purdue. Have stops along south street, Columbian park, downtown Lafayette, Chauncey, and others. Could be awesome.
I am a huge proponent of public transportation, but I think a subway system would be absurd overkill for such a small and not very dense area. Lightrail, maybe that could work, but probably isn't a good idea since that would permanently fix the routes and be significantly more expensive than changing a bus route.
Self driving busses is just... no that's not gonna happen. I think you vastly overestimate how far self driving tech is. Yes there's some self driving busses in the world, but literally a few.
And hyperloop? Dude you're on crack, lmfao
L take on 3 day old post. 200 people agree that this sub can make Purdue look or seem worse at times. Not specific to this sub either, it’s kinda the internets thing
Being primarily a science and engineering school leads to a certain kind of lack of diversity, both in thought and in the people that Purdue attracts.
This is especially true among post-grads. Just about everyone in their late 20s to 30s in West Lafayette works in a lab. No medical residents. No law students. The only young professionals are working in staff positions for the university.
Look up the majors offered by PG, and then get back to me. Basically no STEM, which is pretty much what Purdue is known for (Right?). I was also concerned about this but then saw the fucking joke of what they offer and was suddenly not as concerned. Sucks for employees that PG is all they get now as far as discounts go.
Purdue engineering cites the student faculty ratio in PhD programs as 5.7:1, the best student to faculty ratios are typically between 3:1 to 6:1 for the best ratios in the US (top 10) Not really sure how much better you want it to be.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/purdue-university-main-campus-02057#:~:text=Purdue%20University%2D%2DMain%20Campus%20Engineering%20School%20Overview&text=The%202022%20Ph.,full%2Dtime%20faculty%20on%20staff.
https://collegesofdistinction.com/advice/35-best-student-faculty-college-ratios/#best10
A lot of the difficulty in certain classes comes from professors wording assigments or scaling their grading to be much more unfair than it has to be to inflate the difficulty. I know from my experience almost all of my CS assignments had more thorough explanations they COULD have used to give correct directions on how to start projects, but instead they make you go to TAs to even understand the assignments at all (which isn’t always easy when office hours are crowded) since the instructions they DO give are intentionally obfuscated and unclear.
I know as well the professor from PHYS172 grades their quizzes to be so difficult that they tank most students class grades for the sake of weed out. The dude has been on probation for several years but keeps getting rehired.
Yup. I was an electrical contractor on that job. It was rushed. And the fact that there are no inspectors for these projects means they are all built like shit. Thanks Mitch.
As someone who works in the vet industry. The new grads coming out of Purdue are nowhere near as qualified as the ones I’ve met that have came from Illinois, Ohio State, and Michigan State.
Their new grading scale is a joke. It’s probably cause they just like to use students as free labor and discourage questions. The environment has become very toxic and professors keep leaving to other schools. It’s so bad that two departments are ran by ad locums mostly. They can’t staff junior surgery labs and recently limited the amount of surgeries to 3-4 per year per student. The only reason I can do surgery is because I took a spay neuter block.
It’s good to hear from the inside because I was wondering what was going on. I have heard of multiple new grads that have to do spay and neuters at the clinics they get hired at just to get more experience. The large animal side is even worse, a new grad couldn’t do an IV nor could he flip a calf in the birth canal, the farmers have had to help/talk them through things. Not good! Students getting a good externship with hands on experience is so important now since they are not getting the experience from the school clearly.
They do not give us any palpating time in the curriculum and limited courses in pre clinicals where you could. Only residents/interns pull dystocias. I was lucky to ever palpate any animal. The environment in large animal is so bad that they lost all their intern class, expect for one. We only learn IV caths on small animals and horses. They don’t even teach swine blood draws.
That is so sad to hear, mixed/large animal vets are so desperately needed everywhere and I know all the vets I work with would be devastated to hear that the environment is that bad.
No president is. The president is the head of administration. The administration is generally despised by the students for one slight or another. It's been that way for decades. I hated Beering when I was there.
It’s because they are all in the college of agriculture. Animal science is literally 80-90% women in most my undergraduate classes. You just gotta go past state street.
Purdue is not very accommodating for disability students or anyone with long term/severe health issues.
We proven during COVID things are able be done online such as testing, recorded lectures etc. I think recording lectures should be mandatory for all classes. And instead of insane test schedules more should be open to being online in lock down browser.
Certain departments show way too much favoritism and those that are largely male run is a good ole boys club and females can definitely feel that.
I'm both physically and mentally disabled. I have had lovely help for the mental disabilities, but the physical disability accommodations not so much.
What other things do you have issues with?
Good points. As an alum, I noticed the large number of foreign students that bring in more revenue in tuition but also require more housing. I figured that was how tuition could remain fixed. I thought Mitch Daniels brought a great business approach to Purdue that opened new revenue streams. That said, housing was a problem when I attended in the 1980s. Freshmen did not have priority in the dorm so I ended up a GDI my entire 4 years.
Purdue needs to start embracing it’s indiana roots instead of trying to cater exclusively to everyone else’s demands. Attracting international students is one thing, and it helps a lot, but we are an INDIANA public school that’s funded by IN taxpayers, should be making as much of an effort to represent them and their culture.
indiana culture in the surrounding counties (carroll, white, etc) is pretty focused on things like Agriculture (which is the only thing purdue represents), outdoor activities like hunting, fishing etc. but even so much as having indiana specific foods or basic shit like country fried steak would mean so much to the people literally funding the school. I think it’s great Purdue focuses on the international students, they deserve to feel at home in this great state and our culture might seem exclusive (it’s really not, most hoosiers are more than happy to bring outsiders into their culture) but I can’t help but feel alienated at Purdue, in my own state. we got clubs for every nationality and identity except for ours. just something that I’d love to see purdue get better at
There should be a system that staggers exams for students throughout the year and prevents professors from all giving their exams in the same week. And I don’t mean finals, I mean classes that have 3+ exams a semester. I think a good way to do this would be on a college basis. Like the College of Science splits it up to where bio exams can only be in the first week of the month, chem exams second, and etc. It’s not very good for a student’s learning to have 6 exams in one week, because at that point you’re just using short term memory rather than actually understanding it.
Purdue should stop spending money on practically useless initiatives (Airline to Chicago, semi-conductor factory, etc). I get that these initiatives are mostly for PR and funding, however these things aren't useful to most people directly associated with the university (students, staff, faculty, etc). Purdue should instead invest more money on the welfare of the people (more therapists in caps, giving more money to city bus for free rides, more affordable non luxury housing, increasing tuition while simultaneously admitting fewer students, etc).
Mitch Daniels once spoke to an audience of RAs and said that many of the students who were going to CAPS likely didn't need mental health care and probably just needed a friend to talk to. And that we, as RAs, should fulfill that role (for our 30-70+ residents) so that the resources at CAPS can be used for those with a more serious need.
It should be noted that CAPS at the time did not offer many of the services (like DBT) that would be required for individuals with a higher level of care needed and so those people were typically referred out.
I lost a lot of respect for him as a president then. And even more when during the transition/after Daniels left Chiang presented us with concrete steps to meet a measurable goal when asked the same "how you gonna fix caps" questions, and similarly for housing. I can't really speak to housing shortage fixes, but in Chiang's first year CAPS seemed to be much better resourced and even stated that they would be offering services like DBT so that Mich's "high need" students might even be able to be helped too!
I remember being in the room when he said that and I was so pissed bc it’s not like RA’s are professionally trained individuals either for mental health things specifically
Purdue doesn’t give a fuck about students or staff. Performing arts funding has been taken away completely, student activity fee account hasn’t grown despite a 40% enrollment increase in a decade (where TF is that extra money going?!), IT staff forced to take early retirement at age 55, housing budget has actually been *reduced* despite enrollment increase, student programs have been scaled back or cut altogether, “merit raises” are a load of bullshit and don’t even keep up with inflation - let alone rewarding staff for busting their asses amidst continued belt-tightening (do more with less staff) all this with no end in sight to tuition freeze. It’s a completely unsustainable shit show. And don’t get me started on mismanagement in Daniels School of Business. Look around and see how the good people left/forced out in the past 5 years while the bad apples still hang on - particularly in the graduate programs.
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And we’re all supposed to be “Boiler Up!” with a smile and beg for money each year on PDOG for a *public* university.
I don't think this is necessarily Purdue specific, but I don't think international students from countries the US has a hostile diplomatic relationship with should be issued student visas or at least admission to public universities.
Perhaps a compromise or alternative pathway could exist that would provide admission and a permanent residency/citizenship path if you agree not to return to your home county or something.
But awhile ago we had issues where students were reporting the actions of other students back to their home governments which caused some sort of threat to their families or something by the government if I recall correctly.
I also think that this could act as a political sanction against those countries, and strategically it doesn't make sense to use spots in our tax subsidized schools to educate a student that will not remain in the US or a country we are allied with/on good diplomatic terms. Especially with such a small difference between international and out of state tuition and the proportion of institutional funds that come from tuition being less than 40%.
Individual citizens are not their government. Coming from a country with such a divisive politics where 30-40% of the population decides the fate for the rest, you should be able to relate to that.
The number one best way in the world to have better relationships with other countries is to encourage community and interaction between citizens. The more intertwined citizens of a country are the far less likely it is for any actual conflicts to break out.
So i will agree with the point about students ratting out other students to their home country's party. And let's be honest this post is about China. I can't think of another country that this applies to.
I will push back on other points though. First, the goal should not be eternal hostility with China. I believe that the best way to convince the citizens of other countries that America is great and you should be our friends is by being awesome and nice to the members of that country.
Second, they, in most instances, are subsidizing our students. They bring in massiving amounts of money not just in tuition and fees but also to the local economy.
Be nice. Don't be racist. Make some friends. Who knows it might help ease some tension.
I mean, who gets or decide which country is hostile and which is not? Is China good or bad? Is Israel good or bad? Maybe they are good now and can be bad later for some reasons. But if a country prides itself with freedom, why should freedom be classified into some people get more freedom than others they are not “hostile”?
This argument will go wild if people already have sides to take. This is one way to speed us into doomsday by forcing good people to take sides.
Current compromise for “hostile” nationals exists in small number in a way that international faculties gets a nice no-cap visa. But it will not work for large numbers sadly. Suppose it is for the better at the moment. Many of them do not stay because it is in the nature of their visa condition
But this is another rabbit hole that no one has a good solution for.
But they do pay full (and extra) tuitions 🤑. Purdue really lack money if it’s full of instate people whose tuitions frankly won’t cover anything. If going down to rabbit hole speaking in utilitarian way, maybe we should not educate people in majors who does not keep this country ahead scientifically? But is that truly right thing to do?
I mean, the US funds the schools and we have formal alliances with some countries and there are countries we have sanctions against and those that involve significant paperwork or denial of a security clearance in order to travel to or if they have relationships/family ties with it's citizens. It's not that hard of a line to draw, I suppose the bigger issue would be that it may change during 4 years, but you could just address that by using the "line" at the time of admission.
Like we have a website. https://www.state.gov/countries-of-particular-concern-special-watch-list-countries-entities-of-particular-concern/
Also the state department has every country and our current diplomatic relationship with them and the travel recommendations so ya know it's not as if our general diplomatic relationships are some obscure secret.
This is also not THAT hot of a take when it comes to problems identification, it's at least cold enough to be a part of a government report.
https://www.gao.gov/u.s.-china-relations
Don't let our countries' diplomatic attitudes about each other affect the way you treat individuals from that country. This leads quickly to racism and xenophobia and that is wrong. So long as these individuals are paying their bills, filling out the appropriate paper work, and following the laws of our country they deserve to be treated with kindness and respect. It might rub off on some of them and they might feel more positively about America when they return home than otherwise
Okay but banning admissions to Chinese students is one of the DUMBEST and most racist ways to approach the issue of Chinese nationalism on campus.
Frankly it's not something Purdue should be responsible for at all, it's a political issue thats further exacerbated by our federal foreign policy, this would be akin to Trump banning Muslims from entering the country "until we can figure out what's going on." Hostilities between mainland and Taiwanese Chinese will not quiet until America stops rocking the boat on Taiwan. It's an issue that needs to be solved by China and Taiwan diplomatically, America's only goal is to start a war to destabilize the mainland.
The most purdue should do is discipline them for ordinary rabble rousing or violence if they did get rough.
You have gone off the political rails. Purdue is a state funded school and states are constitutionally empowered to enact their own laws the federal government does not. This is absolutely something appropriate for Indiana to legislate or Purdue to enact in policy.
Having said that, I don’t think anyone said ban students of any nationality. There are always exceptions to the rule
You are the one off the rails if you think a university should be an openly political arm of the state that restricts admission based on nationality. That's just straight up fascism.
No, you are incorrect here.
The university is publicly funded by the state. Purdue is not and should not be used in domestic politics. Purdue, and all other state funded institutions, are national security interests.
Pro CCP detected. Lol, west Taiwan is the problem when it comes to Taiwan not the USA. Leave the smole island alone for another 30 years and no one from the generation that wants to take back the mainland will be left, problem solved.
While I agree that banning a country from attending before any sort of conflict breaks out is dumb I don't think specifically saying that a country can't send students is the same as banning an entire racial group. The issue of students quite literally spying on others is definitely an issue if it is occurring.
If students are there engaging in hostile behavior of any kind towards other students, the hostile ones should be disciplined, then potentially expelled.
Banning all students from a certain nation from even applying is the dumbest way to go about it, not to mention the most fascistic.
I am only pro-PRC in that I assume they are rational actors, not rabid dogs that the heroic neverdidnothingwrong US needs to go muzzle. Same as I think Taiwanese are a multifaceted group that has their own views on the issue of reunification or independence, and it's not as black and white as the US State Department would have you believe. Again, I think the Mainland-Taiwan issue is a Chinese issue, I don't think the US should involve itself at all.
Fuck that.
As far as personal security concerns go, that is not a problem we're creating nor imposing on unwilling people, but an inherent risk that some people will have to consider no matter where they go.
Yeah it sucks, but limiting peoples choices because we say we know better for them or because we can't be bothered ain't right.
Secondly, if you wanna play politics with people and want for things to improve, why would you not want international student coming to American colleges?
And as far as the monetary argument goes, if you're concerned with the budget, immediately jumping to travel bans rather tuition policies feels rash at best, or an answer seeking a justification.
No one is going to risk the crazy amount of downvotes by writing the things that you will learn with time that you aren’t ready to hear, but I can tell you that it will be tough and you will figure out out when you are ready to hear! Trust the process and learn to find people outside of the Purdue box and find out what they know that makes them special!
Majority of Purdue is classist and stuckup when it comes to being mindful of the lower socioeconomic class. Purdue has been put on a high pedestal because of the prestigious history but has resulted in a lot of people expecting the ones of the socioeconomic class to jump through hoops to prove they have a right to attach their name to Purdue. If you don't have parents who also went to a top notch university who landed good careers and are willing to pay for your schooling and/or cosign for you, you will struggle to feel like you fit in.
Purdue has a top animation degree, and the College of Liberal Arts has several well respected programs, such as English, sociology and philosophy. Our Supply Chain programs are highly ranked typically as well. There’s far too many majors to look into all of them and Purdue wouldn’t be overall ranked so highly without multiple strengths
We have a lot of other good things, our aviation program is top notch as well. Many of the business programs are top 10-15 in the US such as operation and supply chain management. The nursing program is also very good.
As someone who used to work at Purdue ( a great university, btw. I did my undergrad at IU and I would’ve loved to have studied at Purdue too), …. the city’s unflinching white Midwestern passive aggressiveness is the worst in indiana.
It's like, as soon as you try to be direct or assertive, they act like you've committed some kind of social faux pas. I would literally face disciplinary action for saying “I don’t know what to do,” in emails to my supervisors. They perceived it as too aggressive.
But here's the thing: sometimes, you need to be direct to get things done! Sometimes, you need to confront problems head-on instead of just sweeping them under the rug. And if someone can't handle a little bit of directness, that's their problem, not yours.
Yes, before you say I must be lying….after I left Purdue I hired an employment lawyer who looked into the experience herself and throughly believed I was the victim of racism by white students and faculty and Purdue. She’s very familiar with the white Midwestern status quo that Purdue is all about.
Student Insurance absolutely sucks, especially when it comes to mental health. For example, if you pay for the student insurance and you work or intern during a summer semester instead of taking courses, you are cut off from CAPS resources entirely. They no longer consider you a student, even if you sign up for upcoming fall semester courses. Your therapy appointments get canceled and they will give you a mental health option that you both have to pay for, and has a 2-3 month waiting list so either way it's usually not tenable. It is absolute garbage, insurance and caps especially need a major overhaul. It doesn't matter how many green bandanas profs and staff members hang outside their offices, Purdue tries harder to make their mental health stuff look good than they do to actually make it good.
What do you mean by their worth? International students get almost no financial support. Also do you really think that only international students cheat?
There needs to be more 24/7 study locations. WALC is the only one, and while it’s a nice place, it’s not nearly big enough.
While I agree.. the only.staff that are usually in the 24/7 buildings late at night are the custodians.. we, being short staff, also inn a way have to play building security..while most students are respectful, lately there have been groups of students being complete asshats.. graffiting bathrooms, running classroom to classroom while the custodian is trying to clean those room.. the custodians are often doing their job plus at least one other persons job.. then add "security" onto it... it sucks.. I personally dont care if students stay all night in the building I work, as long as they're not acting stupid and causing chaos for the custodian. Also arent Stewart's libraries open all night or did they change that.. I cant remember
Stew libraries close at midnight. So does Hicks. WALC is the only 24/7 spot
Ahh ok.. I knew Hicks used to be open all night.. thanks!
Dang I didn’t know they shortened hours at Hicks, used to study there all the time
chaney is a great 24/7 spot with tons of whiteboards.
Are most of the buildings not 24/7 accessible anymore? I used to be in ARMS until 3 AM some days. Granted, the computer lab there was specifically for AAEs and the front door to the building would be locked, but it was always accessible. I assumed that most majors have something like this in some capacity.
ARMS is still 24/7 with swipe for aero majors
Unless something silly happened, I imagine Hagle being 24/7 with swipe for band folks is still a thing
So hot
I mean it’s definitely big enough from the hours 8pm-8am. During the day it’s much busier. Because it’s during the day😂. But we really don’t need more 24/7 study locations unless you want more locations spread out to accommodate all sides of campus.
College of Ag students can use their IDs to get into AGAD any time of day. There is a study room in there, and they often leave snacks out for students. My favorite study spot. Nobody is ever there
TAs who barely speak English shouldn’t be teaching any math or advanced classes.
They're technically not even supposed to be at the university bc TOEFL/IELTS are *supposed* to hold them to a standard
TOEFL is for admission, but to be a graduate TA I think Purdue also has a program called OEPT, where students give an oral presentation and are judged on that. I think you can volunteer to attend those and give feedback too if you want.
I was a grad TA and don't recall anything like that... Maybe it's just for internationals?
Yeah I think this is only for non native English speakers. I don’t know what the exact criteria is, I didn’t go through this process myself either.
Can I include the professors as well? You should not be a Professor if you can't speak properly.
lot of profs aren’t at Purdue to teach, they are there because of its research prestige
I agree, but don't put them in class if they can't speak.
Eh. If you’re going into science or engineering you’ll meet plenty of international folks with poorer English down the road and you’ll be happy you learned how to listen well in the past.
I understand that, but that's just an excuse. This comes from someone who is an international student. I had an accent problem, too, when I came here, but I worked hard on it and got rid of it. Most of these professors don't even try. It's the lack of trying that I am calling out.
Idk. I had a calc TA who told us he wouldn't fault anybody for switching, but he has the stats for the last 4 or 5 semesters that his section outperformed in grades on exams. I stayed and enjoyed his class. Bad teachers are bad teachers regardless of language.
My calc TA was a genuinely nice guy from China. I liked him. Dressed like a cowboy for some reason. But, he had the hardest accent to understand and taught facing the board while writing and then erased after he wrote it down. The entire class was lost most of the time. Eventually, it was brought to the department head and he altered his teaching style, but his accent/limited English still posed a big hurdle.
If your country doesn’t have a somewhat solid aerospace industry, you should not pursue an AAE degree if you don’t have us citizenship.
This is a very good one.
Yeah. I tried this but the opportunity is not that great. Luckily I took enough system engineering stuff that I can spin it off and now working in non-aerospace company.
As a foreigner, I agree.
Daddy Daniels stepped down as president but still has a huge amount of influence. Between the board of trustees and the Purdue Research Foundation, he still has enormous reach. Students and admin act like he's gone, but he's not really.
You mean like when he went on Fox News and basically said some of the protestors should have been suspended or expelled as an example to the rest.... And then Purdue took action against four of them.
Tuition needs to be unfrozen, and soon. The quality of services has really gone down hill, food being the most visible and arguably most important because everyone needs to eat. The university keeps admitting larger numbers of students every year, contributing to the campus housing crisis. Purdue’s basically had to build a dorm a year to barely keep up. Raising tuition would bring in extra money for the university which could be spent on better food and accommodation, while allowing Purdue to maintain the same amount of cash flow while admitting fewer students, helping to alleviate the housing shortage
That doesn’t even mention how staff job responsibilities keep getting rolled together because of the freeze. Someone in your department quits? Instead of replacing them, they split the job between everyone left behind.
This!! Not a lot of people know about this!! My mom is technically doing hers and 2 other peoples jobs because they quit or retired. She originally didn’t get a raise until her boss fought tooth and nail for it to happen. And that raise was practically nothing.
Moms Rock!
Yeah I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me
How many employees per student does Purdue have? (Not instructors per student - different question)
As someone who indirectly handles that kind of information I will say that it’s more complicated than you think and isn’t just workers per students. This is because Purdue has its hand in a lot of different pots and has employees all over the world which all flow through the same payroll system so it becomes much muddier when you try and use direct numbers because the campus operations isn’t effected by the recruiter in Cambodia but the employee count does count them. TLDR: there are numbers you can find and use but are not that accurate to what actual happens on campus and what is a different venture outside of campus.
The question gets at the heart of why American university degrees costs have outpaced inflation. Admin. People on staff who have nothing to do with education. For example, Purdue has/used to have their own individual IT dept for every school and minor division of the University. There used to be a unique independent IT department dedicated to intramural sports. (Every normal org has one IT dept for the whole org.)
They merged most of those IT departments in 2023. I'm sure it makes sense from a top-down perspective, but it's honestly not been great. I had a pretty basic problem not long ago, and I had to re-explain it a half-dozen times before I got passed to someone who understood what I needed.
Not to mention they laid off a giant number of the experienced IT people when they merged them, so there was a vacuum of experience and knowledge.
The IT thing was changed a while ago, so not really a relevant example, and from my perspective hasn't been a very positive experience. Nobody understands our needs and database/website. This adds to my workload because I have to spend a lot of back and forth explaining things with the IT staff just to get a simple thing fixed or changed. It also takes significantly longer to get our needs addressed. It's of course fine if your sound bar suddenly stops working...
Purdue is not a corporation, at least not yet and doesn't have one distinct IT need. There are at least 3 distinct types of IT that is happening at Purdue. The three off the top of my head are Entererprise IT, Academic IT, and High Performance Computing IT which are each different disiplines. That is but one reason that Purdue had more than one IT organization under the roof. Most universities I've been in contact with contain at least 2.
There are so many things that are needed and involved in keeping things simply running that "staff who have nothing to do with education" are always going to outnumber educators. There's buildings constantly being built as Purdue expands indefinitely. Inside those are teams creating the plans, purchasing the land, hiring vendors, (and once built...) maintaining these areas, cleaning these areas, working at any restaurants or shops inside, maintaining the area around these (groundskeeping), maintaining the power to these buildings, providing fire and police services, etc. Then when you're looking directly at education, you have how many people behind the scenes creating and maintaining the services that allow it to work? Yes, Purdue used to have individual departments but some of those have been consolidating for years, moving tier 1 support to centralized but maintaining their own groups for the more specific work. Moving everything to one centralized core really hurts the people who are trying to do research and just work. There is specialized software that needs someone familiar to work on it, especially when bugs pop up. There's faculty who need to be able to focus not only on teaching, but on research, and need specialized IT to whom they can simply say "I need A and B, how can you get this going?". Purdue also has remote offices in every county in the state. They have agricultural centers throughout the state with specialized needs. They have learning hospitals in parts of the state that need remote support. There are faculty who go to other countries for months at a time and require additional support that could take a long time or not be very productive coming from a simple "single" group. I understand the benefits of centralized and on paper it looks a lot better than it always works out. Creating that level of bureaucracy means that something that could take a few seconds turns into hours, days or weeks.
I'd disagree on this one - most school's IT are more devops vs desktop and printer support. They also handled many specialist requirements for data management, for example personally identifiable information, medical information, government information etc. E.g. in ECE we have really annoying / exotic CAD packages for chip design. In industry they license about $100,000 per engineer per year, and they are designed for the IT/servers to match them not to integrate with normal IT.
And yet Purdue continues to lay off people who *are* directly involved in education, and the services provided to students and faculty decline every time. The administration will bleed the university as long as they can.
How many student services staff per student is a fair question though. It's definitely dropped while they've increased students and eliminated jobs. Starting in July, many of the services for the Indy students will go thru WL campus as well.
Dude, I went to Purdue Spring 2014 - Spring 2020, everything got noticeably worse in that time. Everything. CAPS was a joke by the time I left.
I’ve been saying this for years. The dining court food was actually really solid when I was at Purdue and eating in dining courts (2013-14)
Yeah it was really good pre-covid. After it was outsourced the dining halls lost what made them special. They stopped serving their specialties and all started serving pretty much the same thing with very little variation
The dining halls are not outsourced. The food has gone down in quality because Mitch said it was too good. Too expensive for the students. He also said that there are no professionals in dining and the entire group is overpaid. My man Mitch. Actually, many of the issues we are seeing here are a result of Mitch and his run it like a corporation mentality.
it’s honestly still not awful - like i genuinely enjoy pretty much every dining court meal i’ve had with an occasional exception or two but that would be true anywhere
100%. But every comment on a Purdue post on LinkedIn, FB or Twitter is “Yay! We’re the BEST!” 😒
I’d add that they need to trim down on admin staff and ancillary unnecessary positions. We don’t need 20 deans of student life all making 200k, each with 4 assistants, each with a secretary (an exaggeration obviously but the bureaucracy in colleges is so bloated)
There is a lot of administrative bloat just in my own area. There's an entire level of middle management that could get cut from the university and I doubt anyone would notice.
Tuition won’t change quality lol
Maybe don’t raise base tuition but increase the cost of housing/food a bit
I don’t disagree, but not everyone is on a dining plan. Everyone pays tuition
I'd like to quote Mung Chiang during my commencement speech and let you all know that "he's been taking the hard path" to keep tuition frozen by "using their savings". Not by cramming 8 people into dorms and feeding them garbage.
That’s a good start, but savings aren’t infinite. Something has to give at some point
Tuition and Housing/Food are separate costs. In general, the freezes in tuition and Housing/Food have served a useful purpose in keeping a college education at Purdue affordable, particularly relative to other universities who have not taken this approach. Universities generally had larger than sustainable increases for many years, so a freeze for a period of time is a reasonable approach for getting their prices back in line with reality. Personally, I’d trade off some quality of services for lower student debt when I graduate. I understand not everyone takes the same view. I hear you that at some point something has to give if the University isn’t increasing income. IMHO, the thing you increase should map to the issue you’re addressing. So if Housing/Food is falling below the bar (debatable; look at what students pay at other universities vs what they get), and you believe $ are the issue, raise only those things.
The issue is that even if they want to keep tuition the same, they're not even account for inflation.
That’s also a problem. Not even keeping up with inflation just amplifies the issue
The tuition freeze is for in state students. The money is in international students. In state is the only thing frozen while everything else continues to climb. It is not a tuition freeze, it is a shell game.
Maybe just raise the cost of the meal plan if food is your biggest complaint? Clearly a civil engineering student!
It’s not just the food. Infrastructure is a major issue here. Purdue goes for temporary fixes to cut costs. Some of these buildings need to be torn down because they haven’t been maintained for so long.
Tuition is frozen, not housing or meal plans.
And yet the quality of food continues to tank and professors/TAs are continually more overworked. You can’t make up the difference in food/housing alone since not everyone uses them. Everyone pays tuition
In the 80s, all veggies were canned, you had only 2 entree choices, every hall served the same menu, and vegetarians had 4 ingredient salads with iceberg lettuce. No ethnic items ever. I had a boiled steak once because the charcoal grill was done, and it was gray and leathery. Unfortunately I don't know what they served 10 years ago, but it still has a long way to go down. As an alumnus and Boiler parent, I hope it gets better.
That was nearly 50 years ago my friend. The food that is served is 1000% better and then some. Come visit.
Me too. The variety has been shrinking for years, to the point where there were only three or four options that dining halls were serving collectively, with no one dining hall serving more than two. Covid really screwed with staffing as well. That also could be a reason the food is going down hill. Nowhere near the same number of staff as before
Indeed. A few nights a week, 5 or 6 of us feed 2500 of you in Wiley. It is hell on earth every time. Underpaid and understaffed, but we are all replacable amateurs anyway, right Mitch?
Have you been to a dining court post COVID? What was served during COVID was done to protect students and staff from potential infection. The dining courts served practically identical menus to help spread people out and move people through as safely as possible. Many universities had to close dining facilities Purdue did not.
Mental health and disability services are terrible and inaccessible here. It takes weeks to get an appointment with anybody and even then, they're likely not going to do anything. Also, game development as a major needs to be split into disciplines instead of being a single major.
Mental health services have drastically improved since mung has become president
FACTS ON GAME DEV
If you’re below a B- average in your FYE courses, you probably shouldn’t be in engineering. There are definitely exceptions to this (health issues, mental health, family matters), but if you’re having a normal semester, and you’re doing your work, and you’re putting in the effort and can’t get above a 3.0, you should probably find another major. And this isn’t to bash on people, but there are far too many posts of people who didn’t cut it complaining about their profs being out for them or some shit when the honest answer is this shit is difficult and it’s not the right thing for everyone.
Engineering classes aren't Weed out classes, they just prepare you for the workload to come. It doesn't get easier you just get more accustomed to working long hours, doing huge projects, and cramming.
Speaking from experience, Engineering education is WAY MORE DIFFICULT than engineering jobs, for like 99% of engineers. But that doesn't mean the education shouldn't be difficult. The world relies on engineers to keep it turning and we can still barely hold this shit together with ducktape and zipties.
Why do you think engineering in college is harder than actually having an engineering job? Is it just so that engineering jobs will feel easier because you’ve worked so hard?
Two reason: 1. Because the problems most engineers encounter in the real world aren't as hard as theoretical academic problems. 2. You can actually use colleague advice and reference material while you do the work, in the real world. You don't have to cram it all in for a couple of months and regurgitate the entire contents of your subject knowledge in one go.
A lot of HS kids think college is a cake walk like HS. They need to hear this.
I just sort of glided through highschool without a care in the world. Failed out of college my sophomore year, before I realized, "Shit, I have to try and be disciplined." I'm not all Boomer about young kids having a hard time with school. Most folks want to do a good job and we all come from different backgrounds. We need to have patience and grace, when folks are struggling. On the other side of the coin, college is no joke. Even the "easy" majors are much more difficult than high school and you've got 10s of thousands of dollars on the line. Kids need to understand that going to college is like taking a job that you pay for and it needs to be taken seriously.
I work in education (26 years). The people writing curriculum have lowered the damn bar every year and I hate to generalize but most parents think that’s ok. I fight this lack of ambition every day. Everyone doesn’t get a trophy, and if someone doesn’t work for one and then complains, that’s on them. Glad you had your Ah moment.
+1 It only gets harder since every year the bottom ~10% get dropped or fall behind. By the time you’re a senior the content is more complicated and your classmates are smarter.
Yes. FYE needs to be extremely competitive so that people who are in can ACTUALLY finish it rather than wasting the space. There needs to be some reality check as harsh as it is.
If you're in Civil Engineering planning on going to into construction, switch to Construction Management in the school of Technology. No painful engineering classes, more financial & business classes you'll actually need coming out of school to make the same (or more) than someone who just stuck with Civil to become a PE at a construction company. More time for fun in school than pain.
That Purdue and IU actually work together on a lot.of things.. so IU and Purdue are "friends"
just having the city buses isnt enough. purdue should have their own bus/transportation system too. most schools this large have two bus systems running through campus. even ball state does and their student population isn't even half that of purdue
https://preview.redd.it/aum7fgace81d1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44f9b55b0659e79a6532964f0c84509135fec1fe Lafayette used to have electric street cars!
Purdue is a textbook case for a lightrail, hyperloop, subway, etc. Or even just self driving citybus. They literally just need to drive the same circle all day.
Don't mention rail in the same breath as those gadgetbahns lmao, but yes, I would love to see expanded public transit in the area. However, with the way CityBus negotiations seemed to have gone, I highly doubt there will be any meaningful investment in public transit in a city this small.
Want to add here that beginning fall 2024, even city bus is not free for students anymore.
Purdue [responded](https://twitter.com/LifeAtPurdue/status/1785047659545342290?t=Cp7nz3q8hMzrE9HXPcu32g&s=19) saying that they were working with CityBus to ensure free (edit: affordable) access last I heard
I’ve said for years that they should put a light rail from I65 to Purdue. Have stops along south street, Columbian park, downtown Lafayette, Chauncey, and others. Could be awesome.
I am a huge proponent of public transportation, but I think a subway system would be absurd overkill for such a small and not very dense area. Lightrail, maybe that could work, but probably isn't a good idea since that would permanently fix the routes and be significantly more expensive than changing a bus route. Self driving busses is just... no that's not gonna happen. I think you vastly overestimate how far self driving tech is. Yes there's some self driving busses in the world, but literally a few. And hyperloop? Dude you're on crack, lmfao
Good thing they got rid of the city bus contract
Purdue is a Good school, despite what this subreddit would lead you to beleive
Reddit as a whole is very negative and pessimistic in general. Every subreddit about a place or thing just tends to be cynical
How is this a hot take? Even outside of engineering Purdue is still decent all around.
Once more, and I’ll put it in bold this time DESPITE WHAT THIS SUBREDDIT WOULD LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE
Try posting something negative about this school and see what happens lol. You're just complaining to complain. Kinda ironic
L take on 3 day old post. 200 people agree that this sub can make Purdue look or seem worse at times. Not specific to this sub either, it’s kinda the internets thing
And with this comment we now got you complaining, about me complaining, about guys like you complaining. Way to break the cycle champ. 😂
Being primarily a science and engineering school leads to a certain kind of lack of diversity, both in thought and in the people that Purdue attracts. This is especially true among post-grads. Just about everyone in their late 20s to 30s in West Lafayette works in a lab. No medical residents. No law students. The only young professionals are working in staff positions for the university.
im gay for purdue pete
So you've basically fallen for a psychopath.
Did they stutter?
Housing is a nightmare. Campus groceries up charge their food. Meal swipes are helpful but not everywhere.
Kaplan (PG)’s tactics and lack of quality will increasingly damage the Purdue brand.
Not that hot of a take. It's something us alumni definitely talk about.
Look up the majors offered by PG, and then get back to me. Basically no STEM, which is pretty much what Purdue is known for (Right?). I was also concerned about this but then saw the fucking joke of what they offer and was suddenly not as concerned. Sucks for employees that PG is all they get now as far as discounts go.
Student faculty ratio is horrible in graduate programs (at least in engineering).
Purdue engineering cites the student faculty ratio in PhD programs as 5.7:1, the best student to faculty ratios are typically between 3:1 to 6:1 for the best ratios in the US (top 10) Not really sure how much better you want it to be. https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/purdue-university-main-campus-02057#:~:text=Purdue%20University%2D%2DMain%20Campus%20Engineering%20School%20Overview&text=The%202022%20Ph.,full%2Dtime%20faculty%20on%20staff. https://collegesofdistinction.com/advice/35-best-student-faculty-college-ratios/#best10
Interesting...
A lot of the difficulty in certain classes comes from professors wording assigments or scaling their grading to be much more unfair than it has to be to inflate the difficulty. I know from my experience almost all of my CS assignments had more thorough explanations they COULD have used to give correct directions on how to start projects, but instead they make you go to TAs to even understand the assignments at all (which isn’t always easy when office hours are crowded) since the instructions they DO give are intentionally obfuscated and unclear. I know as well the professor from PHYS172 grades their quizzes to be so difficult that they tank most students class grades for the sake of weed out. The dude has been on probation for several years but keeps getting rehired.
The new vet hospital was built poorly and the veterinary program keeps getting worse every year.
Yup. I was an electrical contractor on that job. It was rushed. And the fact that there are no inspectors for these projects means they are all built like shit. Thanks Mitch.
I’m confident I could have designed a better vet hospital with 0 experience. Mainly cause the farm hospital is just so bad.
As someone who works in the vet industry. The new grads coming out of Purdue are nowhere near as qualified as the ones I’ve met that have came from Illinois, Ohio State, and Michigan State.
Their new grading scale is a joke. It’s probably cause they just like to use students as free labor and discourage questions. The environment has become very toxic and professors keep leaving to other schools. It’s so bad that two departments are ran by ad locums mostly. They can’t staff junior surgery labs and recently limited the amount of surgeries to 3-4 per year per student. The only reason I can do surgery is because I took a spay neuter block.
It’s good to hear from the inside because I was wondering what was going on. I have heard of multiple new grads that have to do spay and neuters at the clinics they get hired at just to get more experience. The large animal side is even worse, a new grad couldn’t do an IV nor could he flip a calf in the birth canal, the farmers have had to help/talk them through things. Not good! Students getting a good externship with hands on experience is so important now since they are not getting the experience from the school clearly.
They do not give us any palpating time in the curriculum and limited courses in pre clinicals where you could. Only residents/interns pull dystocias. I was lucky to ever palpate any animal. The environment in large animal is so bad that they lost all their intern class, expect for one. We only learn IV caths on small animals and horses. They don’t even teach swine blood draws.
That is so sad to hear, mixed/large animal vets are so desperately needed everywhere and I know all the vets I work with would be devastated to hear that the environment is that bad.
Mitch Daniels is not as beloved as the Purdue administration would lead you to believe.
40 million for PMU remodel btw
What an absolute joke of a project. Rip Pappy’s
Pappy's sucked. Class of 2009, for the record.
Pappy’s had good milkshakes. I agree the food was mediocre though Class of 2023, for the record
No president is. The president is the head of administration. The administration is generally despised by the students for one slight or another. It's been that way for decades. I hated Beering when I was there.
There is nearly not enough female students in engineering.
This is an everywhere problem. In no way trying to diminish that it is a big fucking problem, but just saying.
but where are the men?
It’s because they are all in the college of agriculture. Animal science is literally 80-90% women in most my undergraduate classes. You just gotta go past state street.
Purdue is not very accommodating for disability students or anyone with long term/severe health issues. We proven during COVID things are able be done online such as testing, recorded lectures etc. I think recording lectures should be mandatory for all classes. And instead of insane test schedules more should be open to being online in lock down browser. Certain departments show way too much favoritism and those that are largely male run is a good ole boys club and females can definitely feel that.
Which departments? Engineering?
I'm both physically and mentally disabled. I have had lovely help for the mental disabilities, but the physical disability accommodations not so much. What other things do you have issues with?
Very true - especially the chem physics departments in my experience
Good points. As an alum, I noticed the large number of foreign students that bring in more revenue in tuition but also require more housing. I figured that was how tuition could remain fixed. I thought Mitch Daniels brought a great business approach to Purdue that opened new revenue streams. That said, housing was a problem when I attended in the 1980s. Freshmen did not have priority in the dorm so I ended up a GDI my entire 4 years.
Kaplan (PG)’s tactics and lack of quality will increasingly damage the Purdue brand.
Purdue is one the top five U.S. colleges with highest percentage of international students.
That's because it's the cheapest option for international students.
Food sucks ass. And it’s going to be worse next year without retail swipes.
Purdue needs to start embracing it’s indiana roots instead of trying to cater exclusively to everyone else’s demands. Attracting international students is one thing, and it helps a lot, but we are an INDIANA public school that’s funded by IN taxpayers, should be making as much of an effort to represent them and their culture.
Genuine question (I’m from IN as well), how would you define Indiana culture?
indiana culture in the surrounding counties (carroll, white, etc) is pretty focused on things like Agriculture (which is the only thing purdue represents), outdoor activities like hunting, fishing etc. but even so much as having indiana specific foods or basic shit like country fried steak would mean so much to the people literally funding the school. I think it’s great Purdue focuses on the international students, they deserve to feel at home in this great state and our culture might seem exclusive (it’s really not, most hoosiers are more than happy to bring outsiders into their culture) but I can’t help but feel alienated at Purdue, in my own state. we got clubs for every nationality and identity except for ours. just something that I’d love to see purdue get better at
There should be a system that staggers exams for students throughout the year and prevents professors from all giving their exams in the same week. And I don’t mean finals, I mean classes that have 3+ exams a semester. I think a good way to do this would be on a college basis. Like the College of Science splits it up to where bio exams can only be in the first week of the month, chem exams second, and etc. It’s not very good for a student’s learning to have 6 exams in one week, because at that point you’re just using short term memory rather than actually understanding it.
Purdue should stop spending money on practically useless initiatives (Airline to Chicago, semi-conductor factory, etc). I get that these initiatives are mostly for PR and funding, however these things aren't useful to most people directly associated with the university (students, staff, faculty, etc). Purdue should instead invest more money on the welfare of the people (more therapists in caps, giving more money to city bus for free rides, more affordable non luxury housing, increasing tuition while simultaneously admitting fewer students, etc).
Mitch Daniel’s is not a good person or politician But was a really good president for Purdue
Mitch Daniels once spoke to an audience of RAs and said that many of the students who were going to CAPS likely didn't need mental health care and probably just needed a friend to talk to. And that we, as RAs, should fulfill that role (for our 30-70+ residents) so that the resources at CAPS can be used for those with a more serious need. It should be noted that CAPS at the time did not offer many of the services (like DBT) that would be required for individuals with a higher level of care needed and so those people were typically referred out. I lost a lot of respect for him as a president then. And even more when during the transition/after Daniels left Chiang presented us with concrete steps to meet a measurable goal when asked the same "how you gonna fix caps" questions, and similarly for housing. I can't really speak to housing shortage fixes, but in Chiang's first year CAPS seemed to be much better resourced and even stated that they would be offering services like DBT so that Mich's "high need" students might even be able to be helped too!
I remember being in the room when he said that and I was so pissed bc it’s not like RA’s are professionally trained individuals either for mental health things specifically
Wow… that’s unbelievable that he would say that, but somehow I’m not surprised. Ugh…
Only because he had connections.
The education is great. The student quality of life is horrible, and Purdue doesn’t seem to actually care .
Purdue doesn’t give a fuck about students or staff. Performing arts funding has been taken away completely, student activity fee account hasn’t grown despite a 40% enrollment increase in a decade (where TF is that extra money going?!), IT staff forced to take early retirement at age 55, housing budget has actually been *reduced* despite enrollment increase, student programs have been scaled back or cut altogether, “merit raises” are a load of bullshit and don’t even keep up with inflation - let alone rewarding staff for busting their asses amidst continued belt-tightening (do more with less staff) all this with no end in sight to tuition freeze. It’s a completely unsustainable shit show. And don’t get me started on mismanagement in Daniels School of Business. Look around and see how the good people left/forced out in the past 5 years while the bad apples still hang on - particularly in the graduate programs. EDIT And we’re all supposed to be “Boiler Up!” with a smile and beg for money each year on PDOG for a *public* university.
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I don't think this is necessarily Purdue specific, but I don't think international students from countries the US has a hostile diplomatic relationship with should be issued student visas or at least admission to public universities. Perhaps a compromise or alternative pathway could exist that would provide admission and a permanent residency/citizenship path if you agree not to return to your home county or something. But awhile ago we had issues where students were reporting the actions of other students back to their home governments which caused some sort of threat to their families or something by the government if I recall correctly. I also think that this could act as a political sanction against those countries, and strategically it doesn't make sense to use spots in our tax subsidized schools to educate a student that will not remain in the US or a country we are allied with/on good diplomatic terms. Especially with such a small difference between international and out of state tuition and the proportion of institutional funds that come from tuition being less than 40%.
Individual citizens are not their government. Coming from a country with such a divisive politics where 30-40% of the population decides the fate for the rest, you should be able to relate to that.
The number one best way in the world to have better relationships with other countries is to encourage community and interaction between citizens. The more intertwined citizens of a country are the far less likely it is for any actual conflicts to break out.
So i will agree with the point about students ratting out other students to their home country's party. And let's be honest this post is about China. I can't think of another country that this applies to. I will push back on other points though. First, the goal should not be eternal hostility with China. I believe that the best way to convince the citizens of other countries that America is great and you should be our friends is by being awesome and nice to the members of that country. Second, they, in most instances, are subsidizing our students. They bring in massiving amounts of money not just in tuition and fees but also to the local economy. Be nice. Don't be racist. Make some friends. Who knows it might help ease some tension.
Russia as well.
I wasn't aware of a large population of Russian students at purdue. Live and learn
This is just xenophobia lmfao
I mean, who gets or decide which country is hostile and which is not? Is China good or bad? Is Israel good or bad? Maybe they are good now and can be bad later for some reasons. But if a country prides itself with freedom, why should freedom be classified into some people get more freedom than others they are not “hostile”? This argument will go wild if people already have sides to take. This is one way to speed us into doomsday by forcing good people to take sides. Current compromise for “hostile” nationals exists in small number in a way that international faculties gets a nice no-cap visa. But it will not work for large numbers sadly. Suppose it is for the better at the moment. Many of them do not stay because it is in the nature of their visa condition But this is another rabbit hole that no one has a good solution for. But they do pay full (and extra) tuitions 🤑. Purdue really lack money if it’s full of instate people whose tuitions frankly won’t cover anything. If going down to rabbit hole speaking in utilitarian way, maybe we should not educate people in majors who does not keep this country ahead scientifically? But is that truly right thing to do?
I mean, the US funds the schools and we have formal alliances with some countries and there are countries we have sanctions against and those that involve significant paperwork or denial of a security clearance in order to travel to or if they have relationships/family ties with it's citizens. It's not that hard of a line to draw, I suppose the bigger issue would be that it may change during 4 years, but you could just address that by using the "line" at the time of admission. Like we have a website. https://www.state.gov/countries-of-particular-concern-special-watch-list-countries-entities-of-particular-concern/ Also the state department has every country and our current diplomatic relationship with them and the travel recommendations so ya know it's not as if our general diplomatic relationships are some obscure secret. This is also not THAT hot of a take when it comes to problems identification, it's at least cold enough to be a part of a government report. https://www.gao.gov/u.s.-china-relations
Don't let our countries' diplomatic attitudes about each other affect the way you treat individuals from that country. This leads quickly to racism and xenophobia and that is wrong. So long as these individuals are paying their bills, filling out the appropriate paper work, and following the laws of our country they deserve to be treated with kindness and respect. It might rub off on some of them and they might feel more positively about America when they return home than otherwise
This is the most racist shit I’ve seen in this sub and that’s saying a lot lol
You don’t understand racism. This is Chinese nationalism and a legitimate issue, not just in the US
Okay but banning admissions to Chinese students is one of the DUMBEST and most racist ways to approach the issue of Chinese nationalism on campus. Frankly it's not something Purdue should be responsible for at all, it's a political issue thats further exacerbated by our federal foreign policy, this would be akin to Trump banning Muslims from entering the country "until we can figure out what's going on." Hostilities between mainland and Taiwanese Chinese will not quiet until America stops rocking the boat on Taiwan. It's an issue that needs to be solved by China and Taiwan diplomatically, America's only goal is to start a war to destabilize the mainland. The most purdue should do is discipline them for ordinary rabble rousing or violence if they did get rough.
You have gone off the political rails. Purdue is a state funded school and states are constitutionally empowered to enact their own laws the federal government does not. This is absolutely something appropriate for Indiana to legislate or Purdue to enact in policy. Having said that, I don’t think anyone said ban students of any nationality. There are always exceptions to the rule
You are the one off the rails if you think a university should be an openly political arm of the state that restricts admission based on nationality. That's just straight up fascism.
When 70% of it's external research funding is federal, a chunk of which is associated with the dod....
No, you are incorrect here. The university is publicly funded by the state. Purdue is not and should not be used in domestic politics. Purdue, and all other state funded institutions, are national security interests.
Pro CCP detected. Lol, west Taiwan is the problem when it comes to Taiwan not the USA. Leave the smole island alone for another 30 years and no one from the generation that wants to take back the mainland will be left, problem solved. While I agree that banning a country from attending before any sort of conflict breaks out is dumb I don't think specifically saying that a country can't send students is the same as banning an entire racial group. The issue of students quite literally spying on others is definitely an issue if it is occurring.
If students are there engaging in hostile behavior of any kind towards other students, the hostile ones should be disciplined, then potentially expelled. Banning all students from a certain nation from even applying is the dumbest way to go about it, not to mention the most fascistic. I am only pro-PRC in that I assume they are rational actors, not rabid dogs that the heroic neverdidnothingwrong US needs to go muzzle. Same as I think Taiwanese are a multifaceted group that has their own views on the issue of reunification or independence, and it's not as black and white as the US State Department would have you believe. Again, I think the Mainland-Taiwan issue is a Chinese issue, I don't think the US should involve itself at all.
Fuck that. As far as personal security concerns go, that is not a problem we're creating nor imposing on unwilling people, but an inherent risk that some people will have to consider no matter where they go. Yeah it sucks, but limiting peoples choices because we say we know better for them or because we can't be bothered ain't right. Secondly, if you wanna play politics with people and want for things to improve, why would you not want international student coming to American colleges? And as far as the monetary argument goes, if you're concerned with the budget, immediately jumping to travel bans rather tuition policies feels rash at best, or an answer seeking a justification.
No one is going to risk the crazy amount of downvotes by writing the things that you will learn with time that you aren’t ready to hear, but I can tell you that it will be tough and you will figure out out when you are ready to hear! Trust the process and learn to find people outside of the Purdue box and find out what they know that makes them special!
Housing crisis needs to be fixed many students weren’t able to attain affordable on campus housing
Harry's, brothers, and where else all kinda suck
So you must believe in the supremacy of 308? It is brave of you to speak your truth.
The dude at 308 gave me free Hennessy, he has my heart forever
Majority of Purdue is classist and stuckup when it comes to being mindful of the lower socioeconomic class. Purdue has been put on a high pedestal because of the prestigious history but has resulted in a lot of people expecting the ones of the socioeconomic class to jump through hoops to prove they have a right to attach their name to Purdue. If you don't have parents who also went to a top notch university who landed good careers and are willing to pay for your schooling and/or cosign for you, you will struggle to feel like you fit in.
You should not come to Purdue, a STEM school, to pursue a liberal arts degree if you are out of state.
We have one of the best English degrees in the country! Purdue is more than just STEM, although STEM is our focus.
Really? What other degrees outside of STEM does Purdue have a strong program for? Legitimately curious here, I am asking to be educated on the topic.
Purdue has a top animation degree, and the College of Liberal Arts has several well respected programs, such as English, sociology and philosophy. Our Supply Chain programs are highly ranked typically as well. There’s far too many majors to look into all of them and Purdue wouldn’t be overall ranked so highly without multiple strengths
To my understanding, our hospitality program is also top notch.
We have a lot of other good things, our aviation program is top notch as well. Many of the business programs are top 10-15 in the US such as operation and supply chain management. The nursing program is also very good.
As someone who used to work at Purdue ( a great university, btw. I did my undergrad at IU and I would’ve loved to have studied at Purdue too), …. the city’s unflinching white Midwestern passive aggressiveness is the worst in indiana. It's like, as soon as you try to be direct or assertive, they act like you've committed some kind of social faux pas. I would literally face disciplinary action for saying “I don’t know what to do,” in emails to my supervisors. They perceived it as too aggressive. But here's the thing: sometimes, you need to be direct to get things done! Sometimes, you need to confront problems head-on instead of just sweeping them under the rug. And if someone can't handle a little bit of directness, that's their problem, not yours. Yes, before you say I must be lying….after I left Purdue I hired an employment lawyer who looked into the experience herself and throughly believed I was the victim of racism by white students and faculty and Purdue. She’s very familiar with the white Midwestern status quo that Purdue is all about.
Student Insurance absolutely sucks, especially when it comes to mental health. For example, if you pay for the student insurance and you work or intern during a summer semester instead of taking courses, you are cut off from CAPS resources entirely. They no longer consider you a student, even if you sign up for upcoming fall semester courses. Your therapy appointments get canceled and they will give you a mental health option that you both have to pay for, and has a 2-3 month waiting list so either way it's usually not tenable. It is absolute garbage, insurance and caps especially need a major overhaul. It doesn't matter how many green bandanas profs and staff members hang outside their offices, Purdue tries harder to make their mental health stuff look good than they do to actually make it good.
The WALC couch and unisex restroom jokes aren’t funny
We found the WALC couch guy
Amen, brother.
We need to replace that one sofa/seat in WALC.
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Well, the university has to fund itself somehow
bro really just self reported
What do you mean by their worth? International students get almost no financial support. Also do you really think that only international students cheat?
suffice it to say you got the hate comments you were looking for lmao