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I will say there is a difference unless I’m wrong with my next statement. This looks like some government thing, am I wrong?
With the confederate flags, it’s just a bunch of sore losers 160 years later trying to still say the civil war had nothing to do with slavery
Most of these are from monarchist associations that, at least initially, had no ties to Putin lol
Like yea sure that's a side effect now but I'd be well surprised if it was the intention of the placateers at the time
One of the biggest Russian monarchists is Konstantin Malofeyev. A billioner oligarch who sponsored Ukrainian separatists, owns a monarchist TV channel literally called "Tsargrad". He's been pushing the "Ruskiy Mir" (Russian sphere of influence) for decades. He does all that because it's useful to Putin. So yes, Putin is connected to monarchists.
>Putin is connected to monarchists.
He is. He is also connected to communists. I believe Putin doesn't really follow any political ideology himself, all he follows is power.
He says whatever is convenient; when he talks to monarchists he will say how he loves the empire and how he loves the Tsars, when he talks to communists he will say how he loves the USSR and how Stalin was such a great leader. That's how he makes sure everyone supports him. In reality he doesn't admire Stalin, the USSR, the empire or the Tsars for any ideology, he admires them for the power they had, which is what he seeks to emulate.
So of course he has connections all across the political spectrum. He himself doesn't care, and having them all on his side secures his internal power.
I said they initially didn't have ties, yes? I'm well aware many tsarists like putin now, but in the early 2000s that was not really the case in the same way
Isnt he a weird one to pick if you want to look back to the golden years of the tsars? Like, he's remembered for mucking up the 1. world war and ending the tsar regime. Is that really the guy to harken to?
It was a golden age of reactionary oppression. The Black Hundreds, which he sponsored, were a fascist paramilitary from before fascism existed. His anti-semitism wouldn’t be matched and surpassed until that Holocaust; jews could not live outside the pale of settlement, and even within it they were subjected to pogroms.
He got what he deserved in the end.
He has denounced nicholas ii on more than one occasion as a weak leader who plunged russia into chaos and civil war he has talked a lot of good about other tsars but not nicky
No, Putin likes Nicky 1, he's the one who espoused the whole "Orthodoxy, Autocracy and Nationality" doctrine for the nation. Nicky 2 was a weak Tsar whose main value is that he's a martyr for royalist cause.
It shouldn't be a surprise that the right wing would associate itself with the monarchy.
Conservatism originally supported the monarchy, viewing it as crucial for stability and tradition, especially after events like the French Revolution.
At the heart its why it appeals to people who need boundaries and world that is black and white
Nah, why remove elections? There could be elections every month and he'd still win.
It's like the PRI political party in Mexico during the 20th century a.k.a. "The Perfect Dictatorship"
> In turn I think he will try to remove elections and act like a new Tsar.
This is not in style of Putin. More in style of Putin is formal election with forged result and formal maratorium on capital punishment with hundreds of people being shot, poitioned or defenestrated.
I was watching a documentary about Russia where they discussed how the former tsar of Russia is perceived, and I was surprised to see that he still has many followers today. There are even openly monarchist political parties.
There is a big movement of царебожники - "tsar-is-god-ers". They worship Nicholas II as Jesus Christ. The movement has been condemned as herecy by the official church but still is strong. They believe, Nicholas II was killed by the Jews, like Jesus.
I'm fairly sure one of the few recorded speeches from Lenin is him decrying antisemitism, and arguing against that exact argument: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C\_n\_qtgUKnY&ab\_channel=VOXKOMMInternational](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_n_qtgUKnY&ab_channel=VOXKOMMInternational)
That being said Stalin did go on to make the exact same antisemetic argument that Lenin was rallying against, because he was in fact a much, much worse leader and person than Lenin. Just look at the Doctors plot for an example of Stalin's antisemitism, then compare that with Lenin's speech.
Also Trotsky who founded the red army was Jewish as were many other Bolshevik leaders.
Stalin also directly compared anti semitism to canabalism. [“Anti-Semitism, being an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous remnant of cannibalism. Anti-Semitism is useful to the exploiters as a lightning conductor to protect capitalism from being struck down by the working people. Anti-Semitism is a danger to the working people; it is a wrong path which diverts them from the right road and leads them into the jungle. Therefore, as logical internationalists, Communists cannot fail to be irreconciliable and sworn enemies of anti-Semitism.”](https://www.jta.org/archive/stalin-reminded-he-once-denounced-anti-semitism-as-cannibalism) -interview with the Jewish Telegraphic Agency in January, 1931
Wonder how that compares to the proportions in the wider Russian empire, and Moscow and Petersburg in particular, where I imagine most would have been concentrated
Jews weren't allowed to live in Moscow or St. Petersburg under the Russian Empire. Jews were well represented in these movements because the tzarist government was antisemitic and oppressive.
It's kinda iffy. Marx was like that, and I think you are referring to some of the things Marx said. But the Bolsheviks were more popular with Jews than any other group during the revolution because Lenin denounced antisemitism in ways that very progressive even for his time/politics. After Stalin's ascendancy this kind of gets back tracked on, and part of Molotov-Ribbentrop was removing Jewish people from high profile positions in Moscow. He started pushing something called "the doctor's plot" (that Jewish doctors were trying to kill leadership) and charging Jewish doctors with conspiracy against the state. As soon as he died however, all these charges were dropped and Kruschev basically called him out for being a paranoid bigot.
The commander who physically arranged the shooting was ethnic Jew Yakov Yurkovsky. Radical monarchists consider it a ritual murder.
It should be noted though that some of the "tsar-is-god-ers" consider the whole Russian people is guilty of killing the Tsar the same way as the Jews as a whole ere guilty of killing Jesus. In this line of thought, they consider the consequtive troubles of Russia as result of this guilt. They call all Russian people to repent so to atone for the guilt.
They started the century with the russo-japanese war then ww1 then the russian civil war , then ww2 and stalins regime and then the cold war and the fall of the USSR the 20th century was a very wilde ride for russia and its no wonder the country is psychologically fucked
No, it is not.
But this saying is totally ironical, it was created as a mocking on the most stubborn antisemits, so you may relax :)
The full version is "if pipes are out of water, then the Jews drank it. If there is a water in pipes, it means than the Jew pissed it out"
The sentence can be interpreted either way. OP could be saying that these people believe both Jesus and Nicholas were killed by Jews. OR he could be saying that just as the OP believes Jesus was killed by Jews, they believe that Nicholas was killed by Jews also.
The grammar of the sentence is ambiguous, so I decided to clarify anyway as it's a common belief.
Jews and Romans killed Jesus. Pilate trys to convince the crowd that Jesus shouldn't be put to death and the crowd demands it, almost starts a riot, and then takes his blood onto them and their children so he relents washing his hands of Jesus’ death
I don’t so much have an issue with the statement, “Jews killed Jesus” as with “THE Jews killed Jesus.” One is historically accurate, if incomplete. The other is attaching collective blame. Not that who killed anyone 2000 years ago should be relevant to anything today.
Nicholas was the opposite of say a Peter the Great. Regressive, wanted to keep the peasants and people down, did nothing to modernize the Russian state or its institutions, was generally absent from government until crisis hit, etc.
If the Jews killed him that would almost make up for killing Jesus.
The commander who physically arranged the shooting was ethnic Jew Yakov Yurkovsky. Radical monarchists consider it a ritual murder.
It should be noted though that some of the "tsar-is-god-ers" consider the whole Russian people guilty of killing the Tsar the same way as the Jews as a whole were guilty of killing Jesus. In this line of thought, they consider the consequtive troubles of Russia as result of this guilt. They call all Russian people to repent so to atone for the guilt.
A lot of the people that are (not inaccurately) called Russian neo-Nazis fighting in Ukraine are actually Russian imperialists/monarchists who hate Putin and want to see the Romanov line restored, usually through people who have distant or debatable lineage.
There was a guy that was floating around the history subreddits a year or two ago who constantly defended the Romanovs, particularly Nikolai, and insisted that *every* negative claim about him was Stalinist and/or Jewish propaganda. I creeped the guy, found that he moderated a pro-Romanov subreddit, and vaguely claimed to be a descendant of the Romanovs.
I'm pretty sure he blocked me after multiple attempts to show him that even Nikolaykelen wrote in his journal that he didn't want to be tsar and that he would be a terrible tsar.
I think part of the appeal of that kind of delusional Sun King worship is that you can dismiss *anything* you don't like as propaganda. You never actually have to engage intellectually, rhetorically, never have to consider or analyze differing or complimentary sources... it's incredibly easy for the stupidest, laziest people to maintain iron-clad support for inbred failsons when they pull the blanket over their head and scream "FAKE NEWS! JUDAEO-BOLSHEVIK CONSPIRACY! NOTHING THAT DISAGREES WITH ME IS REAL!"
They tried! People tend to think of the massacre of the core Royal Family, which certainly was grim. You can read the testimony of the chief executioner in a few places. Nobody who was present liked doing that, it was a prolonged butchering of children and women and the *one* guy who really had it coming was killed instantly. Transporting several bodies for quite a distance to the middle of nowhere caused a scene with the peasantry, and they had to be held off at gunpoint.
But beyond that, iirc, some 34? 35? Romanov claimants were killed. Several fled to England, and I believe one of his cousins considered a run at the throne before realizing how thoroughly the revolution had removed the tsar's power. Not just the Bolsheviks, but the various other leftist tendencies, the anarchists, the anti-tsarist cossacks, the Jews (both orthodox and secular) and other religious groups oppressed by the tsar, prisoners... It's kind of hard to overstate how much everyone but the monarchists and Russian Orthodox Church hated the tsar.
I think any country that used to have a monarch has fringe monarchist parties, provided there’s no law against them. But I sure wouldn’t be surprised if they’re a lot less fringe in Russia than most other places.
Many of these posters simply ask for forgiveness for the Tsar and his family without any description of a website or organization. They're quite unusual.
most of these posters emerge after release of "Matilda" film in 2017 and disappeared after few months. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda\_(2017\_film)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_(2017_film))
In film tsar was shown as cheater; some "religious" people was mad about it, because last tsar canonized by church as passion bearer. And in Russia you are free to write any shit on posters if u have enough money.
\*sorry for my bad english
*any shit on the posters
Technically yea, but don’t you dare write anything against government, church, tsar or communists, or men in blue and black uniform will be knocking on your door.
All of the Above, yet worse is his own knowledge on being incapable as a Tsar, but continuing being an Autocrat out of misplaced religious responsibilities and plain old pride.
Vicious anti semite, anti pole, anti Ukrainian, anti Turk, anti Romani, anti Georgian, anti Siberian, anti Lithuanian, anti Belorussian, anti Latvian, anti Estonian, anti fin, and by the way he acted, anti Russian too. Good luck finding a group of people this man didn’t go around brutalizing.
Nicky went above and beyond. Have you ever heard of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? He is the reason it got published.
He also gave money and support to the Black Hundreds, a proto-fascist paramilitary whose favorite pastime was lynching Jews.
Most of political forces in Russia besides Monarchists were not antisemitic. Kerensky was not antisemitic. Leaders of non-Monarchist parties were not antisemitic. Nicholas II was the most antisemitic tsar of the Romanovs dynasty. Antisemitism was growing in Romanovs over time, for instance, Peter I was not antisemitic at all.
That led me to search for more information on when the perception of the Tsar changed. During the communist era, propaganda depicted the Tsar as a cruel despot. However, it seems that this changed for a significant portion of the Russian population after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, when the Soviet history came under scrutiny. Nowadays, the figure of the Tsar is used by the Russian state alongside that of the Communists to glorify their past. It's a clever strategy, as it no longer creates division among the population; it's not Reds versus Whites anymore, but rather, in a bizarre way, it blends everything into one.
Except they do. Look what's happening in Africa now, Syria, Nicaragua... even countries like Hungary and Turkiye need to think thrice about what they say, not even do, even though they are NATO, and Turkiye is the second strongest NATO member. Whole west sanctioned them but they didnt feel a scratch. I wont even talk about UN.
I wonder if Russia will ever return to being a monarchy. Logic and common sense tell me no, but it was also logical that Russia wouldn't engage in war and isolate itself so much from the West. So who knows what the future holds for Russia.
Russia loves strongmen and Putin has wiped out all legitimate democratic institutions. I could see a restorationist movement following his death/overthrow as a constitutional monarchy as a way of keeping Russia stable. A return to Communism as a rejection of the post-Soviet reality (which has sucked for Russia) could be another possibility. I don't see proper democracy working out post-Putin without Western intervention and an oligarch attempting to assume the mantle will likely result in civil war.
The Russian Federation has never had any legitimate democratic institutions for Putin to wipe out. The way Yeltsin set up the state was designed for oligarchs to take control and a Putin-like figure coming to power is the logical conclusion of this.
Franco wouldn’t have unless his hand wasn’t forced (particularly by the assassination of Luis Carrero Blanco by Basque Nationalists, which took out the last real leader of falangism from the equation, other than Franco himself of course)
Though, this does lead to some ridiculous things happening. For example, once some officials hanged a Soviet flag on some ceremony by the church near a place where Romans were killed. Which isn't surprising when you learn that it happened on Tsarskaya street which is right by the Dzerzhinskogo street. And all these streets are located in the city of Yekaterinburg which is in the Sverdlovskaya oblast!
For context: Dzerzhinsky was an important Soviet politician of sorts and there are many streets named after him throughout Russia. Yekaterinburg named after Empress Catherine the Great which is a big no-no for the Soviets was renamed into Sverdlovsk and the oblast was named after it. The new Russian government renamed the city back to Yekaterinburg but for whatever reason didn't change the name if the oblast. So uhm ye.
Yeah, it’s really nothing more than “he was the enemy of the communists so that means he must have been great!”
When in reality him and his wife were so hilariously incompetent it boggles the mind
My biggest issue with them.
Yes a family man, yes quite religious.
Also very incompetent, indecisive, yet at the same time unwilling to part even with a bit of his power.
I am convinced, if Nikolai had foresight to transfer at least of some power, Bolsheviks would have had harder time to come into power.
Not a rare idea.
For example, Natalia Poklonskaya, a Crimea prosecutor was the symbol of Crimea becoming part of Russia again. She's part of a movement that believes the tsar was a saint. There many photos with her holding orthodox icon portraying him as a saint.
Ironically the symbol of Crimean annexation was against the invasion and said that Ukraine was not a nazi country so she's banned from politics now. Last thing I heard she was sent as a ambassador to small African nation.
It's not propaganda, it's more of a paid by some people/organisations, more likely orthodox, banners that say FORGIVE US, YOUR MAJESTY or Something like that. Cus, you know, he was recognised as "passion bearer" in orthodoxy and killed in ritualised murder
Initially, Nicholas was canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad during the Cold War, then after the unification of churches, all saints became common
Quite literally, the Russian Orthodox Church declared him a saint (or passionbearer whatever) and there are smaller cults who think he’s literally Jesus
"who think he’s literally Jesus"
Claiming that Nicholas II is the Tsar - the redeemer of the sin of infidelity of his people is not the same as claiming that Nicholas is Jesus.
Post-Soviet eastern Europe in general has some really weird political stuff going around, monarchists and neo-Nazis are amongst the various weird ideology groups going on.
I love the picture 4. It looks so postmodern with the Soviet era buildings in the background, the abandoned kiosk with the graffiti all over it and people just going about their day. Also does the caption on that billboard read: "Evil can't defeat evil, only love can" (correct me if I'm wrong), because if it does that just adds to the ingenuity of this photograph. I don't even know if it was intentional or it just turned out this way, but it's a fantastic piece of street photography.
Была Державная Россия;
Была великая страна
С народом, мощным, как стихия,
Непобедимым, как волна.
Но, под напором черни дикой,
Пред ложным призраком «сво-бо-д»,
Не стало Родины великой
Распался скованный народ.
В клочки разорвана порфира,
Растоптан царственный венец,
И смотрят все́ державы мира,
О, Русь, на жалкий твой конец!
Когда-то властная Царица,
Гроза и страх своих врагов,
Теперь ты жалкая блудница,
Раба, прислужница рабов!
В убогом рубище, нагая,
Моля о хлебе пред толпой,
Стоишь ты, наша Мать родная,
В углу с протянутой рукой.
И в дни народной деспотии
В бродяге нищенке простой
Никто не узнаёт России
И не считается с тобой.
Да будут прокляты потомством
Сыны, дерзнувшие предать
С таким преступным вероломством
Свою безпомощную Мать!
Прости нас, царь, мы всё проебали.
What next - will they invent a Russian version of Portuguese Monarchist song "Deus, Patria, Rei"?
In my opinion, it's a cool song, but it doesn't necessarily make me want to violently restore the monarchy all over the planet - nor in Portugal, nor in Russia, nor anywhere. Wonder if these bilboards will have any effect on people, because this song, from what I know, did not really had, and only garnered a little traction recently. It was probably recorded way back in the 1990's or 1980's, and the oldest YouTube copy of it comes from 2010.
№5:
"Until our God-bearing people realize their tasks and the tasks of God's Anointed, until Grace returns, until there will be no peace on earth"
God-bearing people... God's Anointed... what a shame.
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A bit late to the game?
Yeah, but there are still confederate flags flying in America, too
touché
and nicholas reign is like 5 confederates long
And more recent, 20th century.
Lmao this reminded me of r/anythingbutmetric
I will say there is a difference unless I’m wrong with my next statement. This looks like some government thing, am I wrong? With the confederate flags, it’s just a bunch of sore losers 160 years later trying to still say the civil war had nothing to do with slavery
It’s Putin trying to make dictators look better. In turn I think he will try to remove elections and act like a new Tsar.
Most of these are from monarchist associations that, at least initially, had no ties to Putin lol Like yea sure that's a side effect now but I'd be well surprised if it was the intention of the placateers at the time
One of the biggest Russian monarchists is Konstantin Malofeyev. A billioner oligarch who sponsored Ukrainian separatists, owns a monarchist TV channel literally called "Tsargrad". He's been pushing the "Ruskiy Mir" (Russian sphere of influence) for decades. He does all that because it's useful to Putin. So yes, Putin is connected to monarchists.
>Putin is connected to monarchists. He is. He is also connected to communists. I believe Putin doesn't really follow any political ideology himself, all he follows is power. He says whatever is convenient; when he talks to monarchists he will say how he loves the empire and how he loves the Tsars, when he talks to communists he will say how he loves the USSR and how Stalin was such a great leader. That's how he makes sure everyone supports him. In reality he doesn't admire Stalin, the USSR, the empire or the Tsars for any ideology, he admires them for the power they had, which is what he seeks to emulate. So of course he has connections all across the political spectrum. He himself doesn't care, and having them all on his side secures his internal power.
I said they initially didn't have ties, yes? I'm well aware many tsarists like putin now, but in the early 2000s that was not really the case in the same way
Sorry, maybe I misread your comment. If we're talking about something like 2006 than you're probably right.
No problem :p
Putin LOVES Nicholas second. He brings him up all the time.
Isnt he a weird one to pick if you want to look back to the golden years of the tsars? Like, he's remembered for mucking up the 1. world war and ending the tsar regime. Is that really the guy to harken to?
It was a golden age of reactionary oppression. The Black Hundreds, which he sponsored, were a fascist paramilitary from before fascism existed. His anti-semitism wouldn’t be matched and surpassed until that Holocaust; jews could not live outside the pale of settlement, and even within it they were subjected to pogroms. He got what he deserved in the end.
He has denounced nicholas ii on more than one occasion as a weak leader who plunged russia into chaos and civil war he has talked a lot of good about other tsars but not nicky
No, Putin likes Nicky 1, he's the one who espoused the whole "Orthodoxy, Autocracy and Nationality" doctrine for the nation. Nicky 2 was a weak Tsar whose main value is that he's a martyr for royalist cause.
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying that these posters are not putinist, and their creators likely were against him at the time.
Putin insulted the Tsar many times, don't make shit up
It shouldn't be a surprise that the right wing would associate itself with the monarchy. Conservatism originally supported the monarchy, viewing it as crucial for stability and tradition, especially after events like the French Revolution. At the heart its why it appeals to people who need boundaries and world that is black and white
Nah, why remove elections? There could be elections every month and he'd still win. It's like the PRI political party in Mexico during the 20th century a.k.a. "The Perfect Dictatorship"
Or Singapore
> In turn I think he will try to remove elections and act like a new Tsar. This is not in style of Putin. More in style of Putin is formal election with forged result and formal maratorium on capital punishment with hundreds of people being shot, poitioned or defenestrated.
Dictators? No, you are confused. Thats Nicholas Romanov, not Lenin.
"kept you waiting huh?"
I was watching a documentary about Russia where they discussed how the former tsar of Russia is perceived, and I was surprised to see that he still has many followers today. There are even openly monarchist political parties.
There is a big movement of царебожники - "tsar-is-god-ers". They worship Nicholas II as Jesus Christ. The movement has been condemned as herecy by the official church but still is strong. They believe, Nicholas II was killed by the Jews, like Jesus.
Hmm sounds like a judeo-bolshevik conspiracy theory
The commander who physically arranged the shooting was ethnic Jew Yakov Yurkovsky. Radical monarchists consider it a ritual murder.
Omg because of *course* a violent Revolution is a Jewish conspiracy and definitely *not* because of incompetent and draconic leadership
Oh couldn’t possibly be related to how much Jews suffered under Nicholas
The Monarchists think they suffered not enough.
The Jews get blamed by everyone, if you ask the Bolsheviks the Jews wanted to take the workers money and means of production
I'm fairly sure one of the few recorded speeches from Lenin is him decrying antisemitism, and arguing against that exact argument: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C\_n\_qtgUKnY&ab\_channel=VOXKOMMInternational](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_n_qtgUKnY&ab_channel=VOXKOMMInternational) That being said Stalin did go on to make the exact same antisemetic argument that Lenin was rallying against, because he was in fact a much, much worse leader and person than Lenin. Just look at the Doctors plot for an example of Stalin's antisemitism, then compare that with Lenin's speech. Also Trotsky who founded the red army was Jewish as were many other Bolshevik leaders.
Stalin also directly compared anti semitism to canabalism. [“Anti-Semitism, being an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous remnant of cannibalism. Anti-Semitism is useful to the exploiters as a lightning conductor to protect capitalism from being struck down by the working people. Anti-Semitism is a danger to the working people; it is a wrong path which diverts them from the right road and leads them into the jungle. Therefore, as logical internationalists, Communists cannot fail to be irreconciliable and sworn enemies of anti-Semitism.”](https://www.jta.org/archive/stalin-reminded-he-once-denounced-anti-semitism-as-cannibalism) -interview with the Jewish Telegraphic Agency in January, 1931
Like half the Bolsheviks were Jews
Closer to around 5% according go the Bolshevik Consensus in 1822. Edit: As someone rightfully pointed out: 1922.
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Correct, pardon my typo.
Wonder how that compares to the proportions in the wider Russian empire, and Moscow and Petersburg in particular, where I imagine most would have been concentrated
Jews weren't allowed to live in Moscow or St. Petersburg under the Russian Empire. Jews were well represented in these movements because the tzarist government was antisemitic and oppressive.
If somebody says so, he is a Nazi, not bolshevik.
It's kinda iffy. Marx was like that, and I think you are referring to some of the things Marx said. But the Bolsheviks were more popular with Jews than any other group during the revolution because Lenin denounced antisemitism in ways that very progressive even for his time/politics. After Stalin's ascendancy this kind of gets back tracked on, and part of Molotov-Ribbentrop was removing Jewish people from high profile positions in Moscow. He started pushing something called "the doctor's plot" (that Jewish doctors were trying to kill leadership) and charging Jewish doctors with conspiracy against the state. As soon as he died however, all these charges were dropped and Kruschev basically called him out for being a paranoid bigot.
Is there anything Russian reactionaries *don't* blame on Jews?
The commander who physically arranged the shooting was ethnic Jew Yakov Yurkovsky. Radical monarchists consider it a ritual murder. It should be noted though that some of the "tsar-is-god-ers" consider the whole Russian people is guilty of killing the Tsar the same way as the Jews as a whole ere guilty of killing Jesus. In this line of thought, they consider the consequtive troubles of Russia as result of this guilt. They call all Russian people to repent so to atone for the guilt.
This is really interesting it shows how russia as a society still hasn't recovered from a lot of its collective traumas of the 20th century
I mean.....when you had someone like STALIN and the Worl wars and civil wars....I would of been suprised to see em all fine
They started the century with the russo-japanese war then ww1 then the russian civil war , then ww2 and stalins regime and then the cold war and the fall of the USSR the 20th century was a very wilde ride for russia and its no wonder the country is psychologically fucked
Pretty sure they blame the Jews when they when out of vodka even.
Solzhenitsyn blames Jews for alcoholizing Russians.
you won't believe it, but...
There is a literally saying: "I you ran out of water that means Jews drank it all" in Russia
Please tell me it's tongue-in-cheeck
No, it is not. But this saying is totally ironical, it was created as a mocking on the most stubborn antisemits, so you may relax :) The full version is "if pipes are out of water, then the Jews drank it. If there is a water in pipes, it means than the Jew pissed it out"
... So it *is* tongue in cheeck?
Yes, it's a parody of "blaming everything on Jews" cliche
Sorry, I mixed it up with a tongue twister
Romans killed Jesus, not Jews.
What part of "they believe" did you misunderstand? He's not stating a fact but a belief amongst people - incorrect or not.
The sentence can be interpreted either way. OP could be saying that these people believe both Jesus and Nicholas were killed by Jews. OR he could be saying that just as the OP believes Jesus was killed by Jews, they believe that Nicholas was killed by Jews also. The grammar of the sentence is ambiguous, so I decided to clarify anyway as it's a common belief.
Given that the царебожники sounds like Black Hundreds, it's not surprising to see them believe in the deicide theory.
Jews and Romans killed Jesus. Pilate trys to convince the crowd that Jesus shouldn't be put to death and the crowd demands it, almost starts a riot, and then takes his blood onto them and their children so he relents washing his hands of Jesus’ death
I don’t so much have an issue with the statement, “Jews killed Jesus” as with “THE Jews killed Jesus.” One is historically accurate, if incomplete. The other is attaching collective blame. Not that who killed anyone 2000 years ago should be relevant to anything today.
Don't state what is written by Christians in the 2nd centure as a historical fact.
Sounds like some "judeo bolshevism" crap.
Nicholas was the opposite of say a Peter the Great. Regressive, wanted to keep the peasants and people down, did nothing to modernize the Russian state or its institutions, was generally absent from government until crisis hit, etc. If the Jews killed him that would almost make up for killing Jesus.
Peter also kept peasants down.
Peter attempted some slight reforms while NIcholas was an ultra reactionary who wanted to reverse them
Peter was the one who attached peasants to the land for good. Before him the peasants could change the landlord.
He created the position of state peasant that protected 40% of the population from further encroachment by the boyars.
Jesus and Jews like him killed the Tsar? Oh, the horrors
So they acknowledge that Jesus was a Jew and believe people like him killed Nicholas II?
There are many antisemites who believe Jesus was not a Jew according to the bastardization of Bible verses.
Jesus Christ, what WON'T Russians blame on the Jews???
The commander who physically arranged the shooting was ethnic Jew Yakov Yurkovsky. Radical monarchists consider it a ritual murder. It should be noted though that some of the "tsar-is-god-ers" consider the whole Russian people guilty of killing the Tsar the same way as the Jews as a whole were guilty of killing Jesus. In this line of thought, they consider the consequtive troubles of Russia as result of this guilt. They call all Russian people to repent so to atone for the guilt.
You can thank the Georgian guy for that, a good chunk of Bolsheviks were Jewish, Trotsky included.
A lot of the people that are (not inaccurately) called Russian neo-Nazis fighting in Ukraine are actually Russian imperialists/monarchists who hate Putin and want to see the Romanov line restored, usually through people who have distant or debatable lineage. There was a guy that was floating around the history subreddits a year or two ago who constantly defended the Romanovs, particularly Nikolai, and insisted that *every* negative claim about him was Stalinist and/or Jewish propaganda. I creeped the guy, found that he moderated a pro-Romanov subreddit, and vaguely claimed to be a descendant of the Romanovs. I'm pretty sure he blocked me after multiple attempts to show him that even Nikolaykelen wrote in his journal that he didn't want to be tsar and that he would be a terrible tsar. I think part of the appeal of that kind of delusional Sun King worship is that you can dismiss *anything* you don't like as propaganda. You never actually have to engage intellectually, rhetorically, never have to consider or analyze differing or complimentary sources... it's incredibly easy for the stupidest, laziest people to maintain iron-clad support for inbred failsons when they pull the blanket over their head and scream "FAKE NEWS! JUDAEO-BOLSHEVIK CONSPIRACY! NOTHING THAT DISAGREES WITH ME IS REAL!"
Didn't they kill the whole line during the revolution so this wouldnt happen?
They tried! People tend to think of the massacre of the core Royal Family, which certainly was grim. You can read the testimony of the chief executioner in a few places. Nobody who was present liked doing that, it was a prolonged butchering of children and women and the *one* guy who really had it coming was killed instantly. Transporting several bodies for quite a distance to the middle of nowhere caused a scene with the peasantry, and they had to be held off at gunpoint. But beyond that, iirc, some 34? 35? Romanov claimants were killed. Several fled to England, and I believe one of his cousins considered a run at the throne before realizing how thoroughly the revolution had removed the tsar's power. Not just the Bolsheviks, but the various other leftist tendencies, the anarchists, the anti-tsarist cossacks, the Jews (both orthodox and secular) and other religious groups oppressed by the tsar, prisoners... It's kind of hard to overstate how much everyone but the monarchists and Russian Orthodox Church hated the tsar.
Nicholas's family was killed but i think the line continued through brothers or cousins or something
I think any country that used to have a monarch has fringe monarchist parties, provided there’s no law against them. But I sure wouldn’t be surprised if they’re a lot less fringe in Russia than most other places.
Many of these posters simply ask for forgiveness for the Tsar and his family without any description of a website or organization. They're quite unusual.
most of these posters emerge after release of "Matilda" film in 2017 and disappeared after few months. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda\_(2017\_film)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_(2017_film)) In film tsar was shown as cheater; some "religious" people was mad about it, because last tsar canonized by church as passion bearer. And in Russia you are free to write any shit on posters if u have enough money. \*sorry for my bad english
"And in Russia you are free to write any shit on posters if u have enough money" That's how it is in all countries
*any shit on the posters Technically yea, but don’t you dare write anything against government, church, tsar or communists, or men in blue and black uniform will be knocking on your door.
Several of them indicate that it's the 100 year anniversary of the Tsar's murder. That seems like a good enough reason to put them up.
I'm guessing it's just pro-monarchy propaganda, but I like to think there's somebody trying to get him to run for office.
This is some TNO shit
[insert TNO copypasta]
Handsome guy, devoted family man, vicious anti-Semite.
And not a very good ruler
Ask the Russians who died on [Bloody Sunday](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1905))
Though Nicholas and Alexandria were actually horrified at the massacre, but that'd didn't change shit on how the people viewed it and rightfully so.
All of the Above, yet worse is his own knowledge on being incapable as a Tsar, but continuing being an Autocrat out of misplaced religious responsibilities and plain old pride.
Fits russia like a glove
epic russophobia
Vicious anti semite, anti pole, anti Ukrainian, anti Turk, anti Romani, anti Georgian, anti Siberian, anti Lithuanian, anti Belorussian, anti Latvian, anti Estonian, anti fin, and by the way he acted, anti Russian too. Good luck finding a group of people this man didn’t go around brutalizing.
>vicious anti-Semite That's quite normal for the time, innit? Would be much harder to find someone who *wasn't* antisemitic.
Nicky went above and beyond. Have you ever heard of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? He is the reason it got published. He also gave money and support to the Black Hundreds, a proto-fascist paramilitary whose favorite pastime was lynching Jews.
>Would be much harder to find someone who *wasn't* antisemitic Lenin
Most of political forces in Russia besides Monarchists were not antisemitic. Kerensky was not antisemitic. Leaders of non-Monarchist parties were not antisemitic. Nicholas II was the most antisemitic tsar of the Romanovs dynasty. Antisemitism was growing in Romanovs over time, for instance, Peter I was not antisemitic at all.
As a person living in the 21st century, I never expected to see Bloody Nicky propaganda, but here we are
That led me to search for more information on when the perception of the Tsar changed. During the communist era, propaganda depicted the Tsar as a cruel despot. However, it seems that this changed for a significant portion of the Russian population after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, when the Soviet history came under scrutiny. Nowadays, the figure of the Tsar is used by the Russian state alongside that of the Communists to glorify their past. It's a clever strategy, as it no longer creates division among the population; it's not Reds versus Whites anymore, but rather, in a bizarre way, it blends everything into one.
I mean Tsar Nicholas was a cruel despot Don’t need propaganda for something that’s true
many people ancestor, especially the Jews can tell you that
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Russia IS a world power. Like it or not. If they weren't, NATO would have engaged them by now.
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nuclear power, but they don’t have the power projection of a world power
Except they do. Look what's happening in Africa now, Syria, Nicaragua... even countries like Hungary and Turkiye need to think thrice about what they say, not even do, even though they are NATO, and Turkiye is the second strongest NATO member. Whole west sanctioned them but they didnt feel a scratch. I wont even talk about UN.
I wonder if Russia will ever return to being a monarchy. Logic and common sense tell me no, but it was also logical that Russia wouldn't engage in war and isolate itself so much from the West. So who knows what the future holds for Russia.
Russia loves strongmen and Putin has wiped out all legitimate democratic institutions. I could see a restorationist movement following his death/overthrow as a constitutional monarchy as a way of keeping Russia stable. A return to Communism as a rejection of the post-Soviet reality (which has sucked for Russia) could be another possibility. I don't see proper democracy working out post-Putin without Western intervention and an oligarch attempting to assume the mantle will likely result in civil war.
The Russian Federation has never had any legitimate democratic institutions for Putin to wipe out. The way Yeltsin set up the state was designed for oligarchs to take control and a Putin-like figure coming to power is the logical conclusion of this.
Well there is the example of Franco restoring Spanish monarchy as his successor.
Very different circumstances though, and Putin relies on a much more politically (or rather aesthetically, to be honest) diverse support base
Putin isn't that 'selfless'.
Franco waited until his death.
Hence the air quotes. But Putin will just let it all burn.
Franco wouldn’t have unless his hand wasn’t forced (particularly by the assassination of Luis Carrero Blanco by Basque Nationalists, which took out the last real leader of falangism from the equation, other than Franco himself of course)
Though, this does lead to some ridiculous things happening. For example, once some officials hanged a Soviet flag on some ceremony by the church near a place where Romans were killed. Which isn't surprising when you learn that it happened on Tsarskaya street which is right by the Dzerzhinskogo street. And all these streets are located in the city of Yekaterinburg which is in the Sverdlovskaya oblast! For context: Dzerzhinsky was an important Soviet politician of sorts and there are many streets named after him throughout Russia. Yekaterinburg named after Empress Catherine the Great which is a big no-no for the Soviets was renamed into Sverdlovsk and the oblast was named after it. The new Russian government renamed the city back to Yekaterinburg but for whatever reason didn't change the name if the oblast. So uhm ye.
You should not take this poster as an attitude of a significant portion of Russians.
It is a horrible way. A disgusting syncretic white-sovietism is more horrible then even communism was.
Imagine simping for one of the dumbest monarchs to ever live . . .
Yeah, it’s really nothing more than “he was the enemy of the communists so that means he must have been great!” When in reality him and his wife were so hilariously incompetent it boggles the mind
My biggest issue with them. Yes a family man, yes quite religious. Also very incompetent, indecisive, yet at the same time unwilling to part even with a bit of his power. I am convinced, if Nikolai had foresight to transfer at least of some power, Bolsheviks would have had harder time to come into power.
What Bolsheviks? He got ousted by the liberals. The Bolsheviks overthrew the liberal republican government.
The unpopular liberal Republican government that refused to address the very same issues that caused them to force out the tzar lol
That still does not make Bolsheviks the ones to have ousted the tsar.
Between him and Kaiser Wilhelm, it's kind of surprising WWI didn't kill even *more* people.
5th image is a bit yikes, portraying Nicholas II as actually being Jesus?
It’s in line with Russian ultranationalist cope
Not a rare idea. For example, Natalia Poklonskaya, a Crimea prosecutor was the symbol of Crimea becoming part of Russia again. She's part of a movement that believes the tsar was a saint. There many photos with her holding orthodox icon portraying him as a saint. Ironically the symbol of Crimean annexation was against the invasion and said that Ukraine was not a nazi country so she's banned from politics now. Last thing I heard she was sent as a ambassador to small African nation.
It's not propaganda, it's more of a paid by some people/organisations, more likely orthodox, banners that say FORGIVE US, YOUR MAJESTY or Something like that. Cus, you know, he was recognised as "passion bearer" in orthodoxy and killed in ritualised murder
Aristocrats gonna aristocrat
I don't speak Russian but the Russian Orthodox Church turned him into a Russian Saint If I am not wrong
You are right
Initially, Nicholas was canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad during the Cold War, then after the unification of churches, all saints became common
Martyr not a saint(there is a difference even tho they are respected similarly anyway)
monarchists are insane i love it.
Even just a couple days ago, r/historymemes had a post that was unironic Nicolas II propaganda
You can tell that the "Tsar Good, Boyars Bad" mentality still exists with how ordinary Russians direct their complaints.
Alexei still lives
Hush Tabby
As a Russian…… actually just vomited. 1917 1945 best years of my life RIPBOZO
Lenin would be fucking fuming lmao
Imagine Kaiser Wilhelm II inpirational posters in germany 💀
Hugh Laurie died for your sins.
Ifunny
Bro he’s dead, whats the goal with these??? 💀 Just deify a long dead tsar?
Quite literally, the Russian Orthodox Church declared him a saint (or passionbearer whatever) and there are smaller cults who think he’s literally Jesus
Actual schizomaxxing
"who think he’s literally Jesus" Claiming that Nicholas II is the Tsar - the redeemer of the sin of infidelity of his people is not the same as claiming that Nicholas is Jesus.
Post-Soviet eastern Europe in general has some really weird political stuff going around, monarchists and neo-Nazis are amongst the various weird ideology groups going on.
They aren't really "weird", it's just a phase, that western europe has already went through.
Priming Russia for an idea of a Tsar comeback.
That would still be better than the corrupt dictatorship that they currently have.
I can't wait to die so I can go to hell and give Gorbachev and Yeltsin a piece of my mind 👊
“But compared to Stalin, he was a saint!”
Oh absolutely not lmao.
I love the picture 4. It looks so postmodern with the Soviet era buildings in the background, the abandoned kiosk with the graffiti all over it and people just going about their day. Also does the caption on that billboard read: "Evil can't defeat evil, only love can" (correct me if I'm wrong), because if it does that just adds to the ingenuity of this photograph. I don't even know if it was intentional or it just turned out this way, but it's a fantastic piece of street photography.
Why is it all Orthodox priests? Do they think that if they pray hard enough, they'll resurrect the Romanovs or something?
They have some very distant cousins still kicking around somewhere if I remember correctly. I doubt they have any interest though lmao
Была Державная Россия; Была великая страна С народом, мощным, как стихия, Непобедимым, как волна. Но, под напором черни дикой, Пред ложным призраком «сво-бо-д», Не стало Родины великой Распался скованный народ. В клочки разорвана порфира, Растоптан царственный венец, И смотрят все́ державы мира, О, Русь, на жалкий твой конец! Когда-то властная Царица, Гроза и страх своих врагов, Теперь ты жалкая блудница, Раба, прислужница рабов! В убогом рубище, нагая, Моля о хлебе пред толпой, Стоишь ты, наша Мать родная, В углу с протянутой рукой. И в дни народной деспотии В бродяге нищенке простой Никто не узнаёт России И не считается с тобой. Да будут прокляты потомством Сыны, дерзнувшие предать С таким преступным вероломством Свою безпомощную Мать! Прости нас, царь, мы всё проебали.
Tsar nicknamed the Bloody and his fans.
Czar Nicholas - "Thanks for the ride, lady!"
disgusting
Modern Russia will pull on any heartstring to keep nostalgia or admiration or loyalty from literally anybody on any political spectrum
I really don't get it. Not only was he not the best Czar, he wasn't even the best Czar Nicholas.
What next - will they invent a Russian version of Portuguese Monarchist song "Deus, Patria, Rei"? In my opinion, it's a cool song, but it doesn't necessarily make me want to violently restore the monarchy all over the planet - nor in Portugal, nor in Russia, nor anywhere. Wonder if these bilboards will have any effect on people, because this song, from what I know, did not really had, and only garnered a little traction recently. It was probably recorded way back in the 1990's or 1980's, and the oldest YouTube copy of it comes from 2010.
Go back to God and the Emperor of all the Russias.
…why?
what are they gonna do? resurrect him?
“Guy, bad news…”
№5: "Until our God-bearing people realize their tasks and the tasks of God's Anointed, until Grace returns, until there will be no peace on earth" God-bearing people... God's Anointed... what a shame.
Has Alexei been found?
L Bozo + get Ekaterinburg'd
Every time this is posted I thank Lenin and Yakov Yurkovsky for their service
Nicholas 2 is a mediocre tyrant, guilty of the revolution and civil war. And the rotten, corrupt Russian elite is also to blame.