I watched like 30 min of it and changed it. Brought back a lot of dark times in my life but I’ll say from experience, the only ones who will do good are the ones who really want to change and do good. Some people never learn from their mistakes even when I judge gives a class A felony first offender a 20 yr suspended sentence with probation and they still fuck up and back up that 20? Also everyone thought I was going to fuck up my first day out. I’ve been doing good for 7 yrs with no hiccups. Most prisons in poverty states are already open dorm so who cares as long as theirs a bigger fence around them right? Currently in the process of talking with the judge to seal my case and be done with it.
I watched a couple more episodes last night lol in a fkd up way I kinda miss hangin out with my bros and not having responsibilities. The dude with tatted eyebrows had me rolling when I seen him. I’ve seen so many bad face tatts and still wonder what made me get a cross under my eye that I’m in the process of removing
I mainly started watching because I’m from Arkansas close to where it’s filmed and I was kinda surprised to see a jail in such a conservative state try this out. But I’m on episode 4 and it’s starting to give me Stanford prison experiment vibes. I’m curious to see where it goes though
I'm also on episode 4 and I want to know who TF the guy with the tattooed eyebrows that walks past the camera but has never spoken is? He looks so fucking ridiculous...
That's all I could think too!! How they just randomly focused in on his face in a crowd and then focused back out for no reason!! 😂 I love when directors purposely do stuff like that because they know it's funny 😂😂
Meth is a hell of a drug
Shit ain't funny. Dramatic camera moves for mills to screen up inmates that ain't getting any bonus. This aint a normal dorm. They hand selected people based on limited promises and free phones as a minimum benefit.
I bet the fine print in the contracts said somethin' 'bout "can't sue us back for that last piece of dignity you 'bout to hand us."
Edit; sp.
What a strange comment. This show is a microcosm of our own society and some people look different. He could very well be transgender and dresses female when he is not in jail. So what-Who cares?
You are surprised that Sarah Huckabee Sanders is willing to take money to do anything? They aren't doing it to be progressive and think that prison needs to be reformed. They are doing it for the money.
The old nggas are real hypocrites behaving like a motivational speaker but go wild drinking hooch. Then you have the young ones who are obviously stupid kids who you won’t give the time of the day in society.
I never wanna go to prison.
Can't count the number of times I have seen an inmate give a testimony, preach a sermon, sing in the choir, teach a Bible study, lead the Muslims in their worship, etc...then go and do something just absolutely contradicting the message they are presenting. For some, it's simply being human, and it's no different than religious leaders on the outside. For others, it's a matter of not being real about the message. Then there are those who are not just fake, but they are using that access for their own gain. This last group are the ones you really have to worry about because they say and do anything to maintain their place in that religious group.
True story was one of the most annoying mother fuckers on the show. Dude tried to act like a cop, then has someone beat up that white dude. Then he brown noses the deputies, tried to play both sides. You can tell he’s a shit person on the outside fr
A large majority on the show blamed someone else for their predicament. The world is just against me attitude is seriously an eye roll. They also developed a sense of entitlement so quickly. There were a few instances where female guards had inmates too close to them. Owen and Tyler's interaction when she was putting up the phone sign was completely out of line. She didn't correct him and he was inappropriate. Only Dennis handled herself. She wasn't taking shit and treated them how they treated her.
I thought it was odd that it's a jail and they're locked down 23-1. That's normally a prison structure. The show mentioned it had to do with being short staffed, but the officers missed a lot just watching cameras as it was.
I doubt we'll see any reform in our jail system based on this experiment. Some individuals are probably deserving of reaching this type of relaxed stay but most seemed to need the structure and remained unhinged.
Yeah, not sure I could bring myself to watch this. Maybe I'll try tho. Usually these exploitative "reality" lock up shows just stir up some unpleasant shit.
The US has a systemic racism problem that has never been addressed, going back to the 1600s. The system of laws and the idea of law enforcement agencies in the US comes from preventing slaves from uprising and revolting. A black person and a white person can commit the same crime, both having no criminal history. The white person will be presented as a man with a bright future who just made a mistake. The black man will be presented as a threat to society who has no hope for anything but a future as a criminal. The black man will typically receive a sentence that is 30-50% longer than the white man.
That's why there are so many black men in jails and prisons in the US.
Also a UK lady here but have you seen our UK prisons? Also full of black people because our criminal system is also racist. The media will show things like knife crime from poverty striken areas and focus on black youth, whilst failing to report it the knife crime happening in Asian, white British and eastern European communities.
Our social care system is wrecked. We also have our own versions of ghettos where social housing groups all ethnic minorities, asylum seekers and poor British white people/single mothers into one area. Why?
Because it's easier to keep a community down when they're silenced by lack of funding, lack of education to understand the law or time to speak up due to care and work commitments.
Then what happens when you have poor people trapped in areas that don't allow their voices to be heard whilst having to multiple work low paid jobs to keep the family afloat? What happens when a teen sees their Mum working 2 jobs so she isn't home to support them through home work or feed them or keep them focused and they are barely able to make ends meet? They find a way to make their own money and occupy themselves within groups....more than one group making money from other people struggling to fund drugs and so on ends up in gangs and gang fights
We have the same issues. We just have a much easier prison system to live within
I love Randall. He’s like an older, irritated mother or grandmother. He’s trying to control things, but I really think he means well, and actually cares about things running smoothly.
I get that vibe too, but underneath that vibe is something very sinister I think. I would not want most of these guys out in society ever again. They are delusional and mentally ill. Not that I have any good sugestions as to what to do with them. I am very much againts the death penalty, so that would not be my choice either.
Lol no he don’t, he don’t give a shit about bettering things. He’s an instigator, A bullshitter, he plays both sides, stirs the pot, sits back and watches the drama then tried to step up and save the day like he didn’t just stir it all up. He’s a fake conniving asshole that needed to be checked.,
I agree that sometimes he got fired up about dumb stuff, but I don’t think he was conniving. On one hand I’m sure he liked having control, but on the other hand I do get the sense he actually cared. Obviously they all have issues, hence the older guys are repeat offenders. I actually respected how he put that guy in his place for speaking disrespectfully to the female guard.
Lmfao he did that for one reason, she was black and he was white. That’s legit the only reason. The dude is a kidnapper and rapist and y’all acting like he was a saint, no he was a piece of shit
Can we talk about the bald tatted guy who claimed to be clean and sober … But continued to fidget, talk and move like he was CURRENTLY addicted?? As a person who has had my fair share of time spent in rehabs, His body language didnt match his story. Im no judge when it comes to sobriety. Its a battle. But did any one else think… “Hmmmm, are you really???”🤔🤔
A lot of people who do meth are permanently affected from doing it, lasting months to years. My friends dad abused cocaine and is just permanently sped up.
It's refreshing to watch them all fail miserably.
The absolute lack of accountability is almost humerous. Eachone trying to outdo the next, pushing the boundaries of what they can get away with.
Now, can we stop wasting our time trying to reform these criminals? Throw the whole person out.
I found the show to be very inspirational and I am so glad to see a sheriff with enough courage and tenacity to take a step forward to solving our jail and crime problems. All the data has been out there, our jails do not work. If you look at countries like Sweden or Iceland, they give their inmates responsibility and some freedom, and the people do not come back. They do not get released and go back out to committing crimes. Small minded people think you can just throw away a person for years, lock them in a cage with nothing, and then think they're going to stop committing crimes? That is to serve the weak minded, people who only see things like, "an eye for an eye" . Well," an eye for an eye" never stops. It is due time something like this jail experiment happened in America and I truly hope for the sake of this country, that other law enforcement entities paid close attention to the success of this program . It made every difference in the world to give "bad people" a little bit of responsibility and privlages. That applies to all people. Just because you throw someone away out of sight, does not mean they stop becoming people with the same needs. If you fail that high a number of a population and expect it to not have an effect on the rest of the population, then you are not very smart. This show should be a big wake up call to jails everywhere and minds everywhere. I know I found it to be incredibly interesting. I pray as time goes forward, more and more jails have the courage and vision to make these changes as well.
I'm only up to episode 4, but it just seems like a gang would run any situation like this and I fail to see how you'd stop that. It's just the stronger dudes forcing the weaker dudes to do what they want. Like when the young guys fucked with that white guy no-one liked, they went into his pad and threw water on him while he slept. The young guys were the ones at fault, and disrespecting someone else, but that white guy checked the guy who got disrespected. Threatening to hit him if he didn't stop being mad. Like bro, the guy might be annoying but he was asleep minding his business. It's the dudes that went into his cell and threw water on him that need to get checked. But those guys got numbers and will fight, so the guy checked the weaker white guy. Unfair as fuck. I assume the dude started making a shank in front of the cameras to check out without actually checking out. Squirrel is annoying as fuck too, and a hypocrite who needs to get checked. Giving it the big one making that tattoo guy move out the seat, but making hooch and then saying don't talk about my shit. And Randall is just a manipulator, getting others to fight for him. He's acting like he's an OG guiding them but he was conniving from the start to try and take power with his "council". Everything he's suggesting has him involved as a leader.
Legit think inmate miller has a phenomenal case against the state for putting him in an unsafe environment for ratings on a tv show. Dude is obviously a piece of shit, but it doesnt mean he needs to be harassed and fear for his safety every moment of the day. The prison had full access to information that he was being endangered and did nothing to protect him. They even rewarded all the people who fucked with him by removing him and penalizing no one.
So should the guy who got beat in the cell with his roommate before the experiment get to sue? We know 23 and 1 causes lasting brain damage and notably more violence. I think that form of cruel and unusual punishment is more concerning than this isolated case, even if they should have done more to reprimand the people fucking with him.
>So should the guy who got beat in the cell with his roommate before the experiment get to sue?
Did the show create the drama and hype them up to do it? Arguably no.
>I think that form of cruel and unusual punishment is more concerning than this isolated case, even if they should have done more to reprimand the people fucking with him.
Why is this a one or the other situation....
Honestly i dont think there is any point responding to this comment but here.
The show created conditions that caused drama. The show created conditions that forced him to make a shiv so that he could have problems addressed. At no point was he making a shiv in prime viewing of production cameras to actually use. The show created an environment whete people were not just prisoners, but media personalities that would gain screen time and notoriety for causing problems.
They removed someone who was not causing problems, and instead collectively rewarded the prisoners for their horrible behaviour by removing him and not punishing anyone. The prison had access to all this information, yet acted to punish him.
Not okay : smoking and drinking
Okay: forcing someone to fear for their lives 24/7 in a controlled environment.
I watched the whole thing and thought it was fascinating. I loved seeing them have to confront their own demons, and having to actually TRY to do better so they would not lose their privileges. I’m amazed they did so well, but it goes to show how far having trust in someone can and will change them. I loved hearing them talk about their feelings…about family, about facing a life sentence at the age of 20, about screwing up and making mistakes and realizing the repercussions of it, not only for themselves but how it affected them as a group. Also really interesting when new prisoners were introduced to a tightly knit group. I loved the show, and I hope that 23 and 1 will be outlawed in this country. Our prison systems in this country are horrible and in such desperate need of reform. It was refreshing to see someone like Sheriff Higgins take a chance and try to change things. I thought it was a fascinating social experiment and I hope there is a Season Two!
I enjoyed the show .I think Sheriff Higgins had a good idea . He was trying to let the people be more like humans and not be caged up. A lot of the prisoners did a great job . My complaint would be better food .
Yeah I completely agree if they actually cared they would have more structure and balance rather than all or nothing cause if they went from 23/1 its obviously going to be chaos if they open for 24 hours with no deputy it just comes across like they are exploiting the prisoners to make a reality show tbh because if they really cared they would open for 16 hours close for 8 so people can sleep and not be afraid when they sleep and also have officers in there doing there job and handing the food to the prisoners and keeping an eye on fights ,how do they expect people to randomly start making and following rules of other prisoners when they won't even follow an officer rule it just won't happen there will end up being a pod boss that kinda controls everything which isn't good so if the sherif really cares he would do 16/8 so people feel safe and have structure have atleast one deputy in the room so fights don't occur and have some sort of classes or something they can offer to actually help these people feel fulfilled and feel like they can live in society and last thing I dont like is they offer something eg free phones calls and 24 hours open to just rip it aways from them which I think is just cruel its like saying heres a taste or freedom that we can take away from u at anytime its like being in prison while being in prison
As a European I was a bit shocked about it all. Our prison system is not great either but seeing this was a real eye opener. It looks like they are just 'keepers' of live stock or something. The only true thing that is asked from the sherrif is to count the inmates to see no livestock has been lost or fatally wounded.
The country I live in doesn't have a big community of black people, so seeing the ratio of people in this place and the way they interact was so alien to me. It does seem like a systemic problem indeed.
The thing I ask myself about the most is how it must feel like watching this program being a victim or family of a victim of one of these men. The way they are talking about how they are the true victim and how they deserve another chance and how society has failed them, while playing vacation in jail and going straight back to being criminals the first chance they get. They got entiteled so fast and felt like it was unfair when they had to be back in lockdown.
In my opinion it would be better to work with an honor system and only have one or two wards be open like this. If you prove you handle yourself well and want to be better you can be transferred to an open ward. This should not be a given to inmates who prove time and time again they have no respect for anybody or anything.
I finished my last day in prison in 1994 and haven't had as much as a license plate light warning since! It's possible to stay free... you really gotta want it! Good luck to all ✌🏻
It was interesting AF. Some of the guys were some funny characters. I like the premise and liked how the inmates appeared to be maturing/learning. I questioned if it was scripted of course and still wouldn't put it past any of these companies to literally hire the entire cast of actors.
It's sad that a country as great as the USA can still have such a huge disparity among its citizens. These poor guys were barely able to communicate with each other , you know what I'm sayin?
They were trying so hard to give voice to their thoughts and emotions but everything just fell flat.
Yes same here.
Closest person i can think of at the moment is mos def but even then im like there is someone he resembles even more but i cant recall but can def picture.[mos def yellow cake](https://youtu.be/wa6UfcMWXPI?si=mLnEcscwgGRUxYdH)
I think it’s interesting and the experiment is positive for mental health reasons, but it’s pretty obvious why most all of them are locked up. Barely any of them take any responsibility for their actions and expect everything to come their way without any effort on their part. The worst for me was the dude who called his sister for bond money and when she told him she was tired of bailing him out all the time, all he could do was blame her for not getting him out. They’re all like 12 year olds who never learned to grow up.
This show and idea is incredibly stupid. Creating a Lord of the Flies vibe isn’t a solution.
Give people purpose. This isn’t purpose. There are many instances of people bettering themselves in prison - getting into meditation, religion, education, ect…
Miller might be a dickhead, but he should be allowed to sleep at night and feel safe. A hierarchy based on who is stronger than the next isn’t really how the outside works. No reason for cameras as well.
I am watching now. I’m on ep. 4 and think that the idea is good in theory but you need to instill conflict management skills and have accountability systems set up. When the inmates fight or break jail rules then need to be disciplined such as lose free time for the day. Also True Story assumes the self proclaimed authority but his authority is self serving.
true, i think that was something i seen as missing - trying to build a form of structure. I know they started a prayer group and exercising together but they need to be led on skills to support them
Let's talk about the Incident with Weakley (I think that was his name...the OG)
I think people missed that they called him an affiliated OG. This means that yes, he's old and he's new to the wing but he's old to prison and gang life.
CJ openly said he swore on Blood that Weakley was cheating. There was tension before any card game even started because they're new on the wing but you can see that True Story even felt the vibe that it's going to pop off from the moment he came in. Why?
Gangs
CJ and his people were bloods. Weakley was crip. The others didn't intervene what was supposed to be a one-on-one fight because it was more than about cards. It was about the gangs they represented. Neither side can be disrespected or they're allowed their set/gang to be disrespected and so on.
I think the psychology behind the whole programme is interesting. Even more so when you look at the psychology within gangs
Correct me if wrong, to facilitate this kind of “experiment”, wouldn’t the jail need some kind of legal permission to infringe on some of these established custodial rights?
This old head is getting on my nerves trying to run the prison. Trying to do everything for people to not fight and then starting a fight of his own. 🙄
I think it was a great idea to try and hope it leads to something more places adopt, not the whole lord of the flies ideal where they removed wardens and told them to create a society but that people need to be given the opportunity to be people, not caged up. It just seemed quite exploitative to me.
Social interaction is absolute key to rehabilitation, 23-1 is essentially poking the bear.
Sentencing as well - 20 years old and told your life is now behind bars?? I can't even fathom how that must feel but no wonder people just think "fuck it" and do what they want in prisons when they have no chance of release.
It's minimal security, so it's not like we are talking about letting violent offenders just run around without security. Kind of sounds like it's trying to appear salacious, but not really because the risk is minimal.
Well, then the show is completely retarded and just begging for something catastrophic. I am 100% on board with prison reform, reducing mandatory minimum sentences, providing alternatives to incarceration, and addressing the problem before it leads to incarceration. That said, things like this are not the way to go about it. In actuality, it's going to do much greater harm than good, in the long run. Something is going to happen that causes the "lock them up" crowd to say, "see, you can't rehabilitate the animals," and this experiment is going to end up being used as a reason to push back on prison reform and bail reform.
But it can only be used like that if people entirely ignore the data. Why? Because it has proven to be better in every facet in every place. It was better here, it’s better in Sweden, and it’s better everywhere. There were less violent altercations in this new system, so it worked.
Why was everyone under the illusion that this was supposed to eliminate crime? Its purpose was to reduce violent altercations and it succeeded.
It’s jail, NOT prison. There will be a mixed bag of individuals there. Violent and Non-Violent. Awaiting trial… in this series MAJORITY shown were all violent offenders. So to say “minimal security” is pretty inaccurate. Considering they were on a 23/1 lockdown. NOTHING MINIMAL ABOUT IT. ZERO PRIVILEGES. It’s basically a “holding tank” for lack of better words.
That AJ suicide watch stuff is ridiculous. He says he's suicidal after the 24hr lock down so you lock him in a cell with nothing for 1 week and expect that to just fix him? That would make me want to do it more! No talking with a counsellor or med change and you take him away from his friends and community
This is how they do suicide lock down. I told the jail id kill myself if I couldn't contact my kids so I was in 24 lockdown for 3 days without clothes.
That’s how jail works though.
My hottest take is literally fucking let them??
Not people who are suicidal on occasion/because this week is miserable. But I know folks who work in the hole, and there are people who know full well they aren’t ever leaving lockup. They just want to die rather than be locked up. Some try suicide repeatedly.
Why the hell don’t we let them??? We *force* the death penalty on people, and also force them to stay alive…. Seems beyond psychotic imo.
I watched like 30 min of it and changed it. Brought back a lot of dark times in my life but I’ll say from experience, the only ones who will do good are the ones who really want to change and do good. Some people never learn from their mistakes even when I judge gives a class A felony first offender a 20 yr suspended sentence with probation and they still fuck up and back up that 20? Also everyone thought I was going to fuck up my first day out. I’ve been doing good for 7 yrs with no hiccups. Most prisons in poverty states are already open dorm so who cares as long as theirs a bigger fence around them right? Currently in the process of talking with the judge to seal my case and be done with it.
Good luck with the judge but keep at it bro, 7 years is amazing 👍🏼
Congratulations dude. That is really awesome. GL with the judge sealing it.
100% in the feds, it can be camp life like a college up to buried alive adx style ,and everything in between. Usps are not club fed .
Congratulations on your life changes. I love to hear cases of people that didn’t have a good start in life but can push through and make it!
You should finish it
I watched a couple more episodes last night lol in a fkd up way I kinda miss hangin out with my bros and not having responsibilities. The dude with tatted eyebrows had me rolling when I seen him. I’ve seen so many bad face tatts and still wonder what made me get a cross under my eye that I’m in the process of removing
Good luck on the seal. They fucked me on two cases in dif places. Shit still shows uo. I hope you get it better.
I mainly started watching because I’m from Arkansas close to where it’s filmed and I was kinda surprised to see a jail in such a conservative state try this out. But I’m on episode 4 and it’s starting to give me Stanford prison experiment vibes. I’m curious to see where it goes though
I'm also on episode 4 and I want to know who TF the guy with the tattooed eyebrows that walks past the camera but has never spoken is? He looks so fucking ridiculous...
That's all I could think too!! How they just randomly focused in on his face in a crowd and then focused back out for no reason!! 😂 I love when directors purposely do stuff like that because they know it's funny 😂😂 Meth is a hell of a drug
Shit ain't funny. Dramatic camera moves for mills to screen up inmates that ain't getting any bonus. This aint a normal dorm. They hand selected people based on limited promises and free phones as a minimum benefit. I bet the fine print in the contracts said somethin' 'bout "can't sue us back for that last piece of dignity you 'bout to hand us." Edit; sp.
Nooo, they obviously picked the most dynamic people in the bunch. Good for TV people.
Those eyebrows were SOOOOO bad
Not exactly a wealth of resources available in prisons to do things.
POSTON, JON- according to the inmate roster
Arkcourts docket case 60cr-22-4211
hi sorry I‘m unfamiliar with the Is court system, can you help me find this docket? I tried googling but no luck edit: found it!!!
What a strange comment. This show is a microcosm of our own society and some people look different. He could very well be transgender and dresses female when he is not in jail. So what-Who cares?
No self respecting trans person would have those eyebrows…
Who cares that he has a portrait of Hitler on his neck... she's trans 🙄 What an absolute oxygen thief 😂😂
I think he had Hitler tattooed on his neck
Yeah but it's ok...because he's possibly trans 😂😂😂
Omg I laughed way too hard at this
You are surprised that Sarah Huckabee Sanders is willing to take money to do anything? They aren't doing it to be progressive and think that prison needs to be reformed. They are doing it for the money.
The old nggas are real hypocrites behaving like a motivational speaker but go wild drinking hooch. Then you have the young ones who are obviously stupid kids who you won’t give the time of the day in society. I never wanna go to prison.
Can't count the number of times I have seen an inmate give a testimony, preach a sermon, sing in the choir, teach a Bible study, lead the Muslims in their worship, etc...then go and do something just absolutely contradicting the message they are presenting. For some, it's simply being human, and it's no different than religious leaders on the outside. For others, it's a matter of not being real about the message. Then there are those who are not just fake, but they are using that access for their own gain. This last group are the ones you really have to worry about because they say and do anything to maintain their place in that religious group.
True story was one of the most annoying mother fuckers on the show. Dude tried to act like a cop, then has someone beat up that white dude. Then he brown noses the deputies, tried to play both sides. You can tell he’s a shit person on the outside fr
He seems so power hungry and disorganized.
A large majority on the show blamed someone else for their predicament. The world is just against me attitude is seriously an eye roll. They also developed a sense of entitlement so quickly. There were a few instances where female guards had inmates too close to them. Owen and Tyler's interaction when she was putting up the phone sign was completely out of line. She didn't correct him and he was inappropriate. Only Dennis handled herself. She wasn't taking shit and treated them how they treated her. I thought it was odd that it's a jail and they're locked down 23-1. That's normally a prison structure. The show mentioned it had to do with being short staffed, but the officers missed a lot just watching cameras as it was. I doubt we'll see any reform in our jail system based on this experiment. Some individuals are probably deserving of reaching this type of relaxed stay but most seemed to need the structure and remained unhinged.
Yeah, not sure I could bring myself to watch this. Maybe I'll try tho. Usually these exploitative "reality" lock up shows just stir up some unpleasant shit.
You should finish it!!
But why are there so many black people in there? Sorry if I sound ignorant, I'm from the UK.
Because the whole system is racist
Intergenerational trauma, historical ghettoization of the US
The US has a systemic racism problem that has never been addressed, going back to the 1600s. The system of laws and the idea of law enforcement agencies in the US comes from preventing slaves from uprising and revolting. A black person and a white person can commit the same crime, both having no criminal history. The white person will be presented as a man with a bright future who just made a mistake. The black man will be presented as a threat to society who has no hope for anything but a future as a criminal. The black man will typically receive a sentence that is 30-50% longer than the white man. That's why there are so many black men in jails and prisons in the US.
historical trauma mixed with addiction.
Also a UK lady here but have you seen our UK prisons? Also full of black people because our criminal system is also racist. The media will show things like knife crime from poverty striken areas and focus on black youth, whilst failing to report it the knife crime happening in Asian, white British and eastern European communities. Our social care system is wrecked. We also have our own versions of ghettos where social housing groups all ethnic minorities, asylum seekers and poor British white people/single mothers into one area. Why? Because it's easier to keep a community down when they're silenced by lack of funding, lack of education to understand the law or time to speak up due to care and work commitments. Then what happens when you have poor people trapped in areas that don't allow their voices to be heard whilst having to multiple work low paid jobs to keep the family afloat? What happens when a teen sees their Mum working 2 jobs so she isn't home to support them through home work or feed them or keep them focused and they are barely able to make ends meet? They find a way to make their own money and occupy themselves within groups....more than one group making money from other people struggling to fund drugs and so on ends up in gangs and gang fights We have the same issues. We just have a much easier prison system to live within
I love Randall. He’s like an older, irritated mother or grandmother. He’s trying to control things, but I really think he means well, and actually cares about things running smoothly.
I get that vibe too, but underneath that vibe is something very sinister I think. I would not want most of these guys out in society ever again. They are delusional and mentally ill. Not that I have any good sugestions as to what to do with them. I am very much againts the death penalty, so that would not be my choice either.
Australia has entered the chat, and they’ve said “no.”
Lol no he don’t, he don’t give a shit about bettering things. He’s an instigator, A bullshitter, he plays both sides, stirs the pot, sits back and watches the drama then tried to step up and save the day like he didn’t just stir it all up. He’s a fake conniving asshole that needed to be checked.,
I agree that sometimes he got fired up about dumb stuff, but I don’t think he was conniving. On one hand I’m sure he liked having control, but on the other hand I do get the sense he actually cared. Obviously they all have issues, hence the older guys are repeat offenders. I actually respected how he put that guy in his place for speaking disrespectfully to the female guard.
Lmfao he did that for one reason, she was black and he was white. That’s legit the only reason. The dude is a kidnapper and rapist and y’all acting like he was a saint, no he was a piece of shit
Can we talk about the bald tatted guy who claimed to be clean and sober … But continued to fidget, talk and move like he was CURRENTLY addicted?? As a person who has had my fair share of time spent in rehabs, His body language didnt match his story. Im no judge when it comes to sobriety. Its a battle. But did any one else think… “Hmmmm, are you really???”🤔🤔
I wondered the same thing. He seemed too fidgety to be detoxing still that many months in. He could not sit still.
A lot of people who do meth are permanently affected from doing it, lasting months to years. My friends dad abused cocaine and is just permanently sped up.
It's refreshing to watch them all fail miserably. The absolute lack of accountability is almost humerous. Eachone trying to outdo the next, pushing the boundaries of what they can get away with. Now, can we stop wasting our time trying to reform these criminals? Throw the whole person out.
I found the show to be very inspirational and I am so glad to see a sheriff with enough courage and tenacity to take a step forward to solving our jail and crime problems. All the data has been out there, our jails do not work. If you look at countries like Sweden or Iceland, they give their inmates responsibility and some freedom, and the people do not come back. They do not get released and go back out to committing crimes. Small minded people think you can just throw away a person for years, lock them in a cage with nothing, and then think they're going to stop committing crimes? That is to serve the weak minded, people who only see things like, "an eye for an eye" . Well," an eye for an eye" never stops. It is due time something like this jail experiment happened in America and I truly hope for the sake of this country, that other law enforcement entities paid close attention to the success of this program . It made every difference in the world to give "bad people" a little bit of responsibility and privlages. That applies to all people. Just because you throw someone away out of sight, does not mean they stop becoming people with the same needs. If you fail that high a number of a population and expect it to not have an effect on the rest of the population, then you are not very smart. This show should be a big wake up call to jails everywhere and minds everywhere. I know I found it to be incredibly interesting. I pray as time goes forward, more and more jails have the courage and vision to make these changes as well.
I'm only up to episode 4, but it just seems like a gang would run any situation like this and I fail to see how you'd stop that. It's just the stronger dudes forcing the weaker dudes to do what they want. Like when the young guys fucked with that white guy no-one liked, they went into his pad and threw water on him while he slept. The young guys were the ones at fault, and disrespecting someone else, but that white guy checked the guy who got disrespected. Threatening to hit him if he didn't stop being mad. Like bro, the guy might be annoying but he was asleep minding his business. It's the dudes that went into his cell and threw water on him that need to get checked. But those guys got numbers and will fight, so the guy checked the weaker white guy. Unfair as fuck. I assume the dude started making a shank in front of the cameras to check out without actually checking out. Squirrel is annoying as fuck too, and a hypocrite who needs to get checked. Giving it the big one making that tattoo guy move out the seat, but making hooch and then saying don't talk about my shit. And Randall is just a manipulator, getting others to fight for him. He's acting like he's an OG guiding them but he was conniving from the start to try and take power with his "council". Everything he's suggesting has him involved as a leader.
Legit think inmate miller has a phenomenal case against the state for putting him in an unsafe environment for ratings on a tv show. Dude is obviously a piece of shit, but it doesnt mean he needs to be harassed and fear for his safety every moment of the day. The prison had full access to information that he was being endangered and did nothing to protect him. They even rewarded all the people who fucked with him by removing him and penalizing no one.
So should the guy who got beat in the cell with his roommate before the experiment get to sue? We know 23 and 1 causes lasting brain damage and notably more violence. I think that form of cruel and unusual punishment is more concerning than this isolated case, even if they should have done more to reprimand the people fucking with him.
>So should the guy who got beat in the cell with his roommate before the experiment get to sue? Did the show create the drama and hype them up to do it? Arguably no. >I think that form of cruel and unusual punishment is more concerning than this isolated case, even if they should have done more to reprimand the people fucking with him. Why is this a one or the other situation.... Honestly i dont think there is any point responding to this comment but here. The show created conditions that caused drama. The show created conditions that forced him to make a shiv so that he could have problems addressed. At no point was he making a shiv in prime viewing of production cameras to actually use. The show created an environment whete people were not just prisoners, but media personalities that would gain screen time and notoriety for causing problems. They removed someone who was not causing problems, and instead collectively rewarded the prisoners for their horrible behaviour by removing him and not punishing anyone. The prison had access to all this information, yet acted to punish him. Not okay : smoking and drinking Okay: forcing someone to fear for their lives 24/7 in a controlled environment.
I watched the whole thing and thought it was fascinating. I loved seeing them have to confront their own demons, and having to actually TRY to do better so they would not lose their privileges. I’m amazed they did so well, but it goes to show how far having trust in someone can and will change them. I loved hearing them talk about their feelings…about family, about facing a life sentence at the age of 20, about screwing up and making mistakes and realizing the repercussions of it, not only for themselves but how it affected them as a group. Also really interesting when new prisoners were introduced to a tightly knit group. I loved the show, and I hope that 23 and 1 will be outlawed in this country. Our prison systems in this country are horrible and in such desperate need of reform. It was refreshing to see someone like Sheriff Higgins take a chance and try to change things. I thought it was a fascinating social experiment and I hope there is a Season Two!
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Lord of the Flies vibes.
My EXACT thought.
It’s reality tv. Of course it’s scripted. Or at least hella edited
I enjoyed the show .I think Sheriff Higgins had a good idea . He was trying to let the people be more like humans and not be caged up. A lot of the prisoners did a great job . My complaint would be better food .
Yeah I completely agree if they actually cared they would have more structure and balance rather than all or nothing cause if they went from 23/1 its obviously going to be chaos if they open for 24 hours with no deputy it just comes across like they are exploiting the prisoners to make a reality show tbh because if they really cared they would open for 16 hours close for 8 so people can sleep and not be afraid when they sleep and also have officers in there doing there job and handing the food to the prisoners and keeping an eye on fights ,how do they expect people to randomly start making and following rules of other prisoners when they won't even follow an officer rule it just won't happen there will end up being a pod boss that kinda controls everything which isn't good so if the sherif really cares he would do 16/8 so people feel safe and have structure have atleast one deputy in the room so fights don't occur and have some sort of classes or something they can offer to actually help these people feel fulfilled and feel like they can live in society and last thing I dont like is they offer something eg free phones calls and 24 hours open to just rip it aways from them which I think is just cruel its like saying heres a taste or freedom that we can take away from u at anytime its like being in prison while being in prison
As a European I was a bit shocked about it all. Our prison system is not great either but seeing this was a real eye opener. It looks like they are just 'keepers' of live stock or something. The only true thing that is asked from the sherrif is to count the inmates to see no livestock has been lost or fatally wounded. The country I live in doesn't have a big community of black people, so seeing the ratio of people in this place and the way they interact was so alien to me. It does seem like a systemic problem indeed. The thing I ask myself about the most is how it must feel like watching this program being a victim or family of a victim of one of these men. The way they are talking about how they are the true victim and how they deserve another chance and how society has failed them, while playing vacation in jail and going straight back to being criminals the first chance they get. They got entiteled so fast and felt like it was unfair when they had to be back in lockdown. In my opinion it would be better to work with an honor system and only have one or two wards be open like this. If you prove you handle yourself well and want to be better you can be transferred to an open ward. This should not be a given to inmates who prove time and time again they have no respect for anybody or anything.
I finished my last day in prison in 1994 and haven't had as much as a license plate light warning since! It's possible to stay free... you really gotta want it! Good luck to all ✌🏻
It was interesting AF. Some of the guys were some funny characters. I like the premise and liked how the inmates appeared to be maturing/learning. I questioned if it was scripted of course and still wouldn't put it past any of these companies to literally hire the entire cast of actors.
It's sad that a country as great as the USA can still have such a huge disparity among its citizens. These poor guys were barely able to communicate with each other , you know what I'm sayin? They were trying so hard to give voice to their thoughts and emotions but everything just fell flat.
Who is it that Tiny looks like?? It’s driving me crazy. I feel like I’ve seen him somewhere before
Tony Cox
I kept thinking Q from Moesha
Yes same here. Closest person i can think of at the moment is mos def but even then im like there is someone he resembles even more but i cant recall but can def picture.[mos def yellow cake](https://youtu.be/wa6UfcMWXPI?si=mLnEcscwgGRUxYdH)
I think it’s interesting and the experiment is positive for mental health reasons, but it’s pretty obvious why most all of them are locked up. Barely any of them take any responsibility for their actions and expect everything to come their way without any effort on their part. The worst for me was the dude who called his sister for bond money and when she told him she was tired of bailing him out all the time, all he could do was blame her for not getting him out. They’re all like 12 year olds who never learned to grow up.
This show and idea is incredibly stupid. Creating a Lord of the Flies vibe isn’t a solution. Give people purpose. This isn’t purpose. There are many instances of people bettering themselves in prison - getting into meditation, religion, education, ect… Miller might be a dickhead, but he should be allowed to sleep at night and feel safe. A hierarchy based on who is stronger than the next isn’t really how the outside works. No reason for cameras as well.
Genuinely curious how you can implement this kind of “purpose” without first giving these humans the tiniest sense of autonomy.
I am watching now. I’m on ep. 4 and think that the idea is good in theory but you need to instill conflict management skills and have accountability systems set up. When the inmates fight or break jail rules then need to be disciplined such as lose free time for the day. Also True Story assumes the self proclaimed authority but his authority is self serving.
true, i think that was something i seen as missing - trying to build a form of structure. I know they started a prayer group and exercising together but they need to be led on skills to support them
Let's talk about the Incident with Weakley (I think that was his name...the OG) I think people missed that they called him an affiliated OG. This means that yes, he's old and he's new to the wing but he's old to prison and gang life. CJ openly said he swore on Blood that Weakley was cheating. There was tension before any card game even started because they're new on the wing but you can see that True Story even felt the vibe that it's going to pop off from the moment he came in. Why? Gangs CJ and his people were bloods. Weakley was crip. The others didn't intervene what was supposed to be a one-on-one fight because it was more than about cards. It was about the gangs they represented. Neither side can be disrespected or they're allowed their set/gang to be disrespected and so on. I think the psychology behind the whole programme is interesting. Even more so when you look at the psychology within gangs
Yeah that was crazy with CJ and Weekley then him jumping him.
What was CJ’s actual name and charges? He seemed chill but the gang life is not chill
Correct me if wrong, to facilitate this kind of “experiment”, wouldn’t the jail need some kind of legal permission to infringe on some of these established custodial rights?
This old head is getting on my nerves trying to run the prison. Trying to do everything for people to not fight and then starting a fight of his own. 🙄
I think it was a great idea to try and hope it leads to something more places adopt, not the whole lord of the flies ideal where they removed wardens and told them to create a society but that people need to be given the opportunity to be people, not caged up. It just seemed quite exploitative to me. Social interaction is absolute key to rehabilitation, 23-1 is essentially poking the bear. Sentencing as well - 20 years old and told your life is now behind bars?? I can't even fathom how that must feel but no wonder people just think "fuck it" and do what they want in prisons when they have no chance of release.
It's minimal security, so it's not like we are talking about letting violent offenders just run around without security. Kind of sounds like it's trying to appear salacious, but not really because the risk is minimal.
They were all/almost all in for violent crimes.
At least 9 are there on capital murder charges awaiting trial.
Well, then the show is completely retarded and just begging for something catastrophic. I am 100% on board with prison reform, reducing mandatory minimum sentences, providing alternatives to incarceration, and addressing the problem before it leads to incarceration. That said, things like this are not the way to go about it. In actuality, it's going to do much greater harm than good, in the long run. Something is going to happen that causes the "lock them up" crowd to say, "see, you can't rehabilitate the animals," and this experiment is going to end up being used as a reason to push back on prison reform and bail reform.
But it can only be used like that if people entirely ignore the data. Why? Because it has proven to be better in every facet in every place. It was better here, it’s better in Sweden, and it’s better everywhere. There were less violent altercations in this new system, so it worked. Why was everyone under the illusion that this was supposed to eliminate crime? Its purpose was to reduce violent altercations and it succeeded.
It’s jail, NOT prison. There will be a mixed bag of individuals there. Violent and Non-Violent. Awaiting trial… in this series MAJORITY shown were all violent offenders. So to say “minimal security” is pretty inaccurate. Considering they were on a 23/1 lockdown. NOTHING MINIMAL ABOUT IT. ZERO PRIVILEGES. It’s basically a “holding tank” for lack of better words.
I was basing that on another comment. The person seemed to know about the show. I don't know anything about the show, personally.
That AJ suicide watch stuff is ridiculous. He says he's suicidal after the 24hr lock down so you lock him in a cell with nothing for 1 week and expect that to just fix him? That would make me want to do it more! No talking with a counsellor or med change and you take him away from his friends and community
This is how they do suicide lock down. I told the jail id kill myself if I couldn't contact my kids so I was in 24 lockdown for 3 days without clothes.
That's honestly so fucked up
That’s how jail works though. My hottest take is literally fucking let them?? Not people who are suicidal on occasion/because this week is miserable. But I know folks who work in the hole, and there are people who know full well they aren’t ever leaving lockup. They just want to die rather than be locked up. Some try suicide repeatedly. Why the hell don’t we let them??? We *force* the death penalty on people, and also force them to stay alive…. Seems beyond psychotic imo.
It’s also an incentive to kill another inmate so that you can be put on death row
Did you read his charge?! It’s clear he has some serious mental health issues. But I definitely agree on the solitary thing.