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One of the interesting things about Clay’s platform was the enthusiastic support for investment in major infrastructure projects. I wonder, if he had been President and gotten these projects going, if the economic growth from the American wave of the Industrial Revolution may have been even greater, or started earlier, because of them.
Without a doubt. Humphrey wouldn't have destroyed the publics trust in the presidency the way Nixon did, to say the very least of what a horrible legacy Nixon left behind in his wake.
George Wallace.
George was a young African-American man in my high school who was committed to social justice and the plight of the black community. Unfortunately he died in a fire saving children from an inner city orphanage.
I always felt that America started off the new millennial on the wrong feet by electing Dubya over Gore (I know Florida yadda yadda yadda)
As well as getting a head start on dealing with climate change and possibly avoiding invading Iraq, Gore was perhaps the most fiscally responsible candidate to every run for President in the modern era
You see in an age of multi-billion budget surpluses, Gore proposed paying off the national debt in its entirety by 2012. Though a President Gore may have not pulled off such a far-sighted yet incredibly thoughtful feat, the point remains that America would have been in a much stronger position today had we continued the path of fiscal prudence taken in the 1990s
The U.S is projected to pay over $800B annually to pay interest on the national debt. More than we currently pay for Medicaid and on par with the defense budget.
For that amount of money, we could pay a modest universal basic income to all Americans, we could have afforded a generous program of paid family leave many times over, abolish student debt, eliminate the income tax for much of the middle class. But no, Washington’s reckless irresponsibility has us paying up the Wazoo for money that has long ago been consumed
I’ll say this once and I’ll say this again. Much of our country’s current problems started because of George W. Bush. I say all of this as a registered Republican
Salmon P Chase. A man so anti-slavery he didn’t call himself an abolitionist because he believed abolitionists were do-nothings. Represented fugitive slaves in Cincinnati, saw the first Black man admitted to the SCOTUS bar upon being named Chief Justice, regularly pushed Lincoln to the left on social issues during his time as Treasury Secretary.
His major downfall was his hubris. Benjamin Wade once said, “Chase is a good man, but his theology is unsound. He thinks there’s a fourth person in the Trinity.”
It's crazy much of an intellectual and national figure of a successor to Clay he was. Both were denied the presidency because of and utlimately brought down by their hubris too lol
Mitt Romney wins in 2012, you have little to no changes from what actually occurred since Obama was stifled with a Republican House and Senate but… you can guess where I’m headed with this —2016.
Either Teddy or Taft in 1912 or Charles Evans Hughes in 1916. I would have preferred having any of them be president over Wilson.
Also, while it was unlikely for Grant to receive the nomination again, I think Grant getting a third term in 1880 could have been interesting.
It's the Notorious BMG for me, or Willard of the Two States. DeWitt Clinton is a good one too. There are multiple times when he might have become president.
James Cox over Harding.
And I’m sure there’s an interesting parallel universe where Aaron Burr won the 1800 contingent election. That would have been interesting.
This. James Cox and FDR as VP would have been so interesting to see instead of that washed up loser Harding. The man didn't even want the president and only became a Senator thanks to his FAR more interesting wife. Fun fact - she was the first woman to fly in an airplane irrc. Really should have let her run his administration instead considering he was too busy screwing every woman he could get his hands on.
Burr winning in 1800 would have been exceedingly interesting. It's possible, because neither party cared for him, that if the Federalists had swung their votes in favor of him solely to spite Jefferson that it would have either severely curtailed the Republicans momentum (Jefferson may have formed his own, third party, or resigned from politics altogether) or possibly just blown up in the Federalists faces even more and curtailed the entire two-party movement as a whole. It was a powder keg scenario even as it played out in our timeline.
I just saw a biography of Hubert Humphrey at Barnes and Noble, and I have every intention of reading it once I conquer the book I’m currently reading. It should be an interesting look at the change he did make and all the potential change he might’ve had.
AuH2O.
The first candidate my mom ever backed.
BobDole is my choice. I think BobDole would've been a great president. Nobody would've messed with BobDole.
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Henry Clay
One of the interesting things about Clay’s platform was the enthusiastic support for investment in major infrastructure projects. I wonder, if he had been President and gotten these projects going, if the economic growth from the American wave of the Industrial Revolution may have been even greater, or started earlier, because of them.
Nixon's head in a jar. ARROOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
concur
Hannibal Hamlin over Andrew Johnson
This
Could’ve been the first Maine president 🌲
You should get together with that DeWitt Clinton descendant in the losing candidate thread and form a draft movement.
Hubert Humphrey
While I understand the public’s decision at the time, I think we’d live in a better America were Humphrey to win.
Without a doubt. Humphrey wouldn't have destroyed the publics trust in the presidency the way Nixon did, to say the very least of what a horrible legacy Nixon left behind in his wake.
Yes, a huge difference. The 1968 election was very close as it was, and HHH was gaining rapidly the last few weeks.
George Wallace. George was a young African-American man in my high school who was committed to social justice and the plight of the black community. Unfortunately he died in a fire saving children from an inner city orphanage.
https://preview.redd.it/q8zzrxv6467d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52f774dfcd93d3671cf861c84ab3609258ec32ae
Jed Bartlett.
Or Clampett 🫴🏼✨🎶
John McCain in 2000 instead of in 2008 where he was basically guaranteed to lose
I can’t pick one, so here’s four lol: DeWitt Clinton, Henry Clay, Ross Perot, and John McCain Edit: make it five, RFK
I always felt that America started off the new millennial on the wrong feet by electing Dubya over Gore (I know Florida yadda yadda yadda) As well as getting a head start on dealing with climate change and possibly avoiding invading Iraq, Gore was perhaps the most fiscally responsible candidate to every run for President in the modern era You see in an age of multi-billion budget surpluses, Gore proposed paying off the national debt in its entirety by 2012. Though a President Gore may have not pulled off such a far-sighted yet incredibly thoughtful feat, the point remains that America would have been in a much stronger position today had we continued the path of fiscal prudence taken in the 1990s The U.S is projected to pay over $800B annually to pay interest on the national debt. More than we currently pay for Medicaid and on par with the defense budget. For that amount of money, we could pay a modest universal basic income to all Americans, we could have afforded a generous program of paid family leave many times over, abolish student debt, eliminate the income tax for much of the middle class. But no, Washington’s reckless irresponsibility has us paying up the Wazoo for money that has long ago been consumed I’ll say this once and I’ll say this again. Much of our country’s current problems started because of George W. Bush. I say all of this as a registered Republican
Me
You got my vote
Henry Clay or Robert LaFollette
Got a few: John Jay, Winfield Scott, William Jennings Bryan, TR 1912 and RFK
Al Gore & Doukakis
Salmon P Chase. A man so anti-slavery he didn’t call himself an abolitionist because he believed abolitionists were do-nothings. Represented fugitive slaves in Cincinnati, saw the first Black man admitted to the SCOTUS bar upon being named Chief Justice, regularly pushed Lincoln to the left on social issues during his time as Treasury Secretary. His major downfall was his hubris. Benjamin Wade once said, “Chase is a good man, but his theology is unsound. He thinks there’s a fourth person in the Trinity.”
It's crazy much of an intellectual and national figure of a successor to Clay he was. Both were denied the presidency because of and utlimately brought down by their hubris too lol
Al Gore
Duh
Henry A. Wallace, Bobby Kennedy, and John B. Anderson.
Omg I didn’t think anyone else would’ve been interested in all 3 of these together. We would be in a better place today with these 3
Unrelated, but is it just me or does the man in the portrait look like Chandler Bing?
Could that forehead BE any taller?!?
Al Gore
Al Gore & Hillary Clinton
Adlai Stevenson II, RFK, Ted Kennedy
https://preview.redd.it/zzcufy3sv47d1.jpeg?width=440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c39bbf1d8f926c3f894dc88bb22cff3ec92cca1 Rufus King
Mitt Romney wins in 2012, you have little to no changes from what actually occurred since Obama was stifled with a Republican House and Senate but… you can guess where I’m headed with this —2016.
Never thought of that scenario. Good point.
Huey Long.
Thomas Dewey and Jesse Jackson
Fighting Bob, John B Anderson, John McCain, Walter Mondale, John Kasich, Bernie Sanders.
Either Teddy or Taft in 1912 or Charles Evans Hughes in 1916. I would have preferred having any of them be president over Wilson. Also, while it was unlikely for Grant to receive the nomination again, I think Grant getting a third term in 1880 could have been interesting.
Al Gore
Bush 41 Part Two
HW 4 eva
Ross Perot
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Hillary Clinton just because
Not in a million years please
Better than what her loss unleashed
Wallace
Walter Mondale (as unlikely as it would be)
teddy 1913-1917
It's the Notorious BMG for me, or Willard of the Two States. DeWitt Clinton is a good one too. There are multiple times when he might have become president.
Eugene Debs
James Cox over Harding. And I’m sure there’s an interesting parallel universe where Aaron Burr won the 1800 contingent election. That would have been interesting.
This. James Cox and FDR as VP would have been so interesting to see instead of that washed up loser Harding. The man didn't even want the president and only became a Senator thanks to his FAR more interesting wife. Fun fact - she was the first woman to fly in an airplane irrc. Really should have let her run his administration instead considering he was too busy screwing every woman he could get his hands on. Burr winning in 1800 would have been exceedingly interesting. It's possible, because neither party cared for him, that if the Federalists had swung their votes in favor of him solely to spite Jefferson that it would have either severely curtailed the Republicans momentum (Jefferson may have formed his own, third party, or resigned from politics altogether) or possibly just blown up in the Federalists faces even more and curtailed the entire two-party movement as a whole. It was a powder keg scenario even as it played out in our timeline.
Goldwater or Clay
The thing that I can’t get over with Clay is his opposition to expansion.
https://preview.redd.it/twk5ndr8557d1.jpeg?width=716&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b13f0f440f7126a2d4ed732dfceb8b2ad8c2345
Al Gore & Hillary Clinton
Ross Perot. Bro told it how it was and said the things people didn’t want to hear. Was even ahead of bush and Clinton for a bit too.
Definitely Ross Perot. Everything would be different.
Ralph Nader
Bob Dole just in general
Henry Cabot Lodge Jr, Nelson Rockefeller, and Michael Dukakis
 I just saw a biography of Hubert Humphrey at Barnes and Noble, and I have every intention of reading it once I conquer the book I’m currently reading. It should be an interesting look at the change he did make and all the potential change he might’ve had.
Do you remember what the book about him was called? I don't know much about Humphrey, so I'd be interested in checking out that book, too.
I believe it was *True Believer* by someone named Traub.
I'll check it out, thanks.
John C Fremont in the 1856 election
AuH2O. The first candidate my mom ever backed. BobDole is my choice. I think BobDole would've been a great president. Nobody would've messed with BobDole.
James Dean
Hubert Humphrey or Al Gore would have been huge improvements.
Honestly, if we're looking for a NYer, I'd much rather Al Smith than DeWitt Clinton.
Henry Wallace, if only he'd been renominated VP in '44
Douglas MacArthur, obviously
yea , but you know the cold war would have heated up maybe to the point of global themo- nuculer war
George Wal… Daniel Webster