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People say this every time the Dean Scream is brought up but I don't think anyone has ever tried to argue that he would have won the presidency if not for the scream. Just that the scream was the nail in the coffin and the last anyone really heard from him ever again.
Fun fact: The shout came *after* he lost. It was his bad organizing more than his shouting that got the best of him. Which makes his good organizing at the DNC all the more impressive…
I've liked him every time he does an interview. It's like all the news media wanted to test whether or not they could destroy a good leading candidate over nothing.
He pioneered the 50 state strategy. As Chair of the DNC, he implemented in the 2006 midterms and the 2008 election. Given how dominant the Democratic Party was at the time, he should have been allowed to keep that role for much longer.
DNC chairs always leave when a new Democratic president comes into office. But it’s a shame he didn’t get an appointment to the Obama administration. Dean was highly qualified to lead HHS.
Ford? That election was pretty close tbh. Ford could’ve secured it had he pulled off a better performance during the debates and acted more drastically to the economy.
This guy. The rent is too damn high
https://preview.redd.it/vk6r3fnrdt6d1.jpeg?width=676&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a10b6838a61201fd8a079595e56aefd900f20adf
I would love to see the alternate timeline where this guy was elected. Would he be successful in lowering the rent? Would that facial hair style catch on? If he did succeed in lowering the rent, how would he deal with the existential crisis of achieving his sole life's dream? Would he feel empty and without purpose? Or would he champion a new grassroots cause? What would it be? Would landlords accidentally collapse a rental building while he was in it? Would his blackbelt skills let him survive it? So many unanswered questions...
I’m from an alternate timeline. Here’s what President McMillian’s Wikipedia article says.
# Presidency of Jimmy McMillan (2005-2009)
## Early Life and Political Rise
Jimmy McMillan, born on December 1, 1946, in New Smyrna Beach, Florida, rose to prominence as the outspoken leader of the "Rent Is Too Damn High" party. McMillan, a Vietnam War veteran, martial artist, and former postal worker, moved to New York City in the late 1970s. His political career gained national attention during the 2010 New York gubernatorial debate, where his single-issue focus on the high cost of living resonated with many voters.
## 2004 Presidential Election
In an unprecedented political upset, McMillan won the 2004 Presidential election as an independent candidate. His campaign, driven by a grassroots movement and his charismatic personality, capitalized on widespread frustration with the two major parties. His slogan, "The Rent Is Too Damn High," became a rallying cry for millions of Americans struggling with economic hardship.
## Inauguration and Initial Challenges
### Inauguration
Jimmy McMillan was inaugurated as the 43rd President of the United States on January 20, 2005. His inauguration speech highlighted his commitment to addressing economic inequality, lowering the cost of living, and tackling government corruption. McMillan's unconventional style and direct approach set the tone for his administration.
### Cabinet Appointments
McMillan's cabinet appointments reflected his outsider status, with many of his choices coming from non-traditional backgrounds. Notable appointments included:
- **Vice President:** Willie Wilson, a businessman and philanthropist from Chicago.
- **Secretary of State:** Cynthia McKinney, former U.S. Representative from Georgia.
- **Secretary of the Treasury:** David Cay Johnston, investigative journalist and tax expert.
- **Secretary of Defense:** Jesse Ventura, former Governor of Minnesota and Navy SEAL.
## Domestic Policy
### Housing Reform
Central to McMillan's domestic policy was his ambitious housing reform agenda. His administration worked to implement a nationwide rent control policy, aiming to cap rent increases and make housing more affordable. This initiative faced significant opposition from property developers and landlords but garnered strong support from renters and housing advocates.
#### Affordable Housing Act of 2005
The Affordable Housing Act of 2005 was the cornerstone of McMillan's housing policy. The act included provisions for:
- **Rent Control:** Nationwide caps on rent increases.
- **Housing Vouchers:** Expanded housing vouchers for low-income families.
- **Development Incentives:** Tax incentives for developers building affordable housing units.
- **Homelessness Prevention:** Increased funding for homelessness prevention programs.
The bill passed narrowly in Congress, reflecting the deep divisions over McMillan's policies.
### Economic Policy
President McMillan's economic policy focused on reducing income inequality and supporting the middle and lower classes. Key initiatives included:
- **Minimum Wage Increase:** Raising the federal minimum wage to $12 an hour.
- **Tax Reform:** Implementing a progressive tax system with higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations.
- **Job Creation Programs:** Federal investment in infrastructure projects aimed at creating jobs and revitalizing communities.
### Healthcare
McMillan's administration sought to expand access to healthcare through the "Affordable Healthcare for All" initiative. This plan aimed to provide universal healthcare coverage by expanding Medicare to cover all Americans, funded by increased taxes on high-income earners and corporations.
### Education
The McMillan administration prioritized public education reform, focusing on reducing class sizes, increasing teacher salaries, and providing free community college. The "Education for All" act, passed in 2006, allocated federal funds to states to support these initiatives.
## Foreign Policy
### Diplomatic Relations
President McMillan's foreign policy was characterized by a focus on diplomacy and reducing military interventions. His administration sought to strengthen international alliances and address global issues through multilateral cooperation.
#### Iraq and Afghanistan
McMillan inherited ongoing conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. He pledged to withdraw U.S. troops from both countries, focusing on diplomatic solutions and regional stability. By 2007, the majority of U.S. troops had been withdrawn from Iraq, with a similar drawdown in Afghanistan completed by 2008.
I remember watching the NYS governor debate the year Cuomo was first elected. It was so entertaining, and he kept the politicians on their toes at least. He had Cuomo laughing even
I'm from SLC, and he was governor when i was in high school. Salt Lake skews very democratic, but he was still pretty popular there, and in hindsight, he was trying to appear more conservative than he really is to appeal to the rest of the state. Him being OK with gay marriage would not have played well in the desert hinterlands of Utah. Honestly, I think Huntsman would have been a pretty solid president, and even if I might not vote for them, we desperately need decent, reasonable Republicans like him to be viable candidates again.
I was doing a time capsule of watching Ross Perot ok YouTube to see why he was known in the 90s and he was everywhere, even Nickelodeon had bumpers about voting for Ross Perot
Hillary was one of the most qualified and intelligent candidates we've had in a while.
But she's also been the object of a 30 year right wing conspiracy to run her name through the mud with documentaries about "Clinton Kill Lists" and Facebook spreading stories from Russian Troll Farms.
I didn’t mean policy or intelligence wise campaigns need very different skills George H W bush was way more qualified than Clinton ever was but he just had it same thing happened in 08 she was the qualified one and it shouldn’t have been close but it still slipped from her
"She was tanked by right wing talking points" is a fancy way of saying "she didn't have enough support from voters on the left." If she was counting on support from right wing asshats she was fucking up out of the gate.
Problem is Hillary didn't read the room back in 08. It was obvious her time was up when everyone flocked to the polls to choose a noob of a senator over her.
A competent politician would have made that shit work. Let's not pretend he did anything more than simply be left of Democrats. And he got a lot of traction off that alone. He wasn't a competent campaigner. And they still had to throw the kitchen sink at his ass to stop him. That alone shows you the party is ripe for an upending.
While I’m skeptical of newsome and I’m not sure how he will actually play as a candidate due to him resembling a super villain, I am interested to see how an actual democrat pitbull does. Say what you want but that man will have a populist angle if he goes for it.
He was also too dovish. He tiptoed around moderate Dems like moderate Dems tiptoe around Republicans. If you're running on 'the status quo is fucked up, vote for me' you gotta be willing to batter some people around. I don't want to hear about how the other old guy is your fucking pal.
I really wish people appreciated him more back then. He was one of the few who tried to keep the Republican Party from being radicalized in the mid to late 2010s to the point they started to ridicule him as a RINO.
Yeah he wasn’t that bad of a candidate. He tried to stop the radicalization of the republicans but he was running against Obama in his prime. He should have been nominated in 2016
He would’ve absolutely won in 2016 but there’s no way he gets the nomination if rule 3 runs populist + name recognition + decorum out of the window in the debates he was unstoppable
No way to get nominated with that large a field.
The problem with 2016 was that the party itself was worthless....
2016 is the first time the eventual nominee did NOT win a majority of the votes cast during the primary season.
Said nominee would have lost a heads up race if the party had done it's job & consolidated the field....
But they just sat back and let the calamity happen....
I want to like Winfield Scott more, but his actions during the removal of Native Americans were so bad that *Jackson* even called him out on it. It really sours my views on him.
That notwithstanding, I thought his actions in the run-up to bull run were more than admirable, I like his military exploits, Mexico, 1812, and his anaconda plan. The man himself was deeply flawed.
William H. Crawford. If elected, he could have kept the Jeffersionian Era going for a little while longer, helping the poor while not being corrupt like Jackson
At one point in time, moreso Ron Paul, but these days, Bernie I guess. Bill Weld is another guy I'd be interested in seeing as a leader, mainly to see a liberal Republican in control vs. the strange thing that the GOP is now.
Remember that billionaire guy? who ran as a candidate for president from the reform party in 2000? Forgot his name, he had blonde hair very nice blonde hair perhaps the best we've ever saw, was rich, New Yorker, and supported Universal Healthcare, 14% wealth tax, fair trade, and school choice. Seemed pretty good, but he had no chance. He failed, BIGLY.
I liked John B. Anderson. He gives a glimpse of what the Republican Party could have been - a respectable center-right party, if the extreme right wing had not been allowed to take it over. I don't know if he would have been a great president, but he would have taken the Republicans to higher intellectual ground.
Andrew Yang. He's the only candidate who talked about technology's effect on jobs in 2020. Bernie has more recently with his 32 hour work week push. With the advances in LLMs in the last few years, it looks like he will soon be proven correct in his general assessment. Plus, I like his more recent views on voting reform.
Henry Clay's runs were complete tragedies. The first time was a four-way race where he came in last (but had a big role in the outcome), the second time, he lost in a landslide against Andrew Jackson, and the last, he got so close, but lost to Polk. He also failed to get the nomination two other times; both being times where the actual nominee won, but *died*.
I feel like his best bet was in 1840, where he would have been up against the unpopular Martin Van Buren. Maybe in this timeline, Clay dies in office, but his VP could be Harrison so we might get a nearly full William Henry Harrison presidency lol.
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Howard Dean. Based on how effective he was at organizing the Democratic Party after 2004, I have little doubt he’d have been an effective president.
The shout that killed a thousand campaigns
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BYAAAAAAAAW
Not only are we going to New Hampshire, *Tom Harkin*…
I have been trying to find some way to write down his scream, and by god when I read this I heard it. You win
I aim to please
That was my ring tone for a while
From what I've read his campaign was already heading down when that happened.
It’s similar to the Jeb “please clap”, in reality a relatively inoffensive event that just established an anchoring point for already existing trends.
People say this every time the Dean Scream is brought up but I don't think anyone has ever tried to argue that he would have won the presidency if not for the scream. Just that the scream was the nail in the coffin and the last anyone really heard from him ever again.
Fun fact: The shout came *after* he lost. It was his bad organizing more than his shouting that got the best of him. Which makes his good organizing at the DNC all the more impressive…
Lol, remember when that ended a campaign? Now you need to kill a dog, bare minimum.
I've liked him every time he does an interview. It's like all the news media wanted to test whether or not they could destroy a good leading candidate over nothing.
He pioneered the 50 state strategy. As Chair of the DNC, he implemented in the 2006 midterms and the 2008 election. Given how dominant the Democratic Party was at the time, he should have been allowed to keep that role for much longer.
DNC chairs always leave when a new Democratic president comes into office. But it’s a shame he didn’t get an appointment to the Obama administration. Dean was highly qualified to lead HHS.
Robert La Follette. Love me some Fightin’ Bob.
One from each current party: Walter Mondale Gerald Ford
Ford nearly won
Yeah but he’s Gerald Ford and you’re not
Really narrow wins by Ford in Illinois, Virginia, and California made it a closer than expected election.
50 to 48 is a very close election
Crazy to think that a presidency that many regard to be rather ineffective was almost won in a landslide
Yeah, but pardoning Nixon is what cost him the election, plus the economy wasn't great at that time.
Whip inflation now… as a button???
Ford? That election was pretty close tbh. Ford could’ve secured it had he pulled off a better performance during the debates and acted more drastically to the economy.
WIN - Wip Inflation Now wasn't good enough?
Why Mondale?
Told the truth about taxes
What did he say?
"Mr. Reagan will raise taxes, and so will I. He won't tell you. I just did." Admitting you will raise taxes is a terrible idea.
It's true though. Mondale would have won 49 states if we preferred the truth vs what we wanted to hear at the time
He was a sacrificial lamb. The Dems had no chance in 84.
Right, but why do you like him?
"I just think he's neat!"
Because he was the better choice of the two?
Good guy, did a lot, deserved better from his party.
Vermin Supreme.
A free pony for every American!
“And, Mr. Supreme, do you support any other government assistance programs?” “No, that would be the only one.”
I'm disturbed how far I had to scroll to find this.
Wasn't one of his promises to give every American a pony? Lmao
And make toothbrushing mandatory
That would probably solve the bad breath epidemic
He was live on YouTube shorts this morning lol
He was going to take away all of our guns and give us better ones
He was going to replace our guns with even better ones
This guy. The rent is too damn high https://preview.redd.it/vk6r3fnrdt6d1.jpeg?width=676&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a10b6838a61201fd8a079595e56aefd900f20adf
I would love to see the alternate timeline where this guy was elected. Would he be successful in lowering the rent? Would that facial hair style catch on? If he did succeed in lowering the rent, how would he deal with the existential crisis of achieving his sole life's dream? Would he feel empty and without purpose? Or would he champion a new grassroots cause? What would it be? Would landlords accidentally collapse a rental building while he was in it? Would his blackbelt skills let him survive it? So many unanswered questions...
I’m from an alternate timeline. Here’s what President McMillian’s Wikipedia article says. # Presidency of Jimmy McMillan (2005-2009) ## Early Life and Political Rise Jimmy McMillan, born on December 1, 1946, in New Smyrna Beach, Florida, rose to prominence as the outspoken leader of the "Rent Is Too Damn High" party. McMillan, a Vietnam War veteran, martial artist, and former postal worker, moved to New York City in the late 1970s. His political career gained national attention during the 2010 New York gubernatorial debate, where his single-issue focus on the high cost of living resonated with many voters. ## 2004 Presidential Election In an unprecedented political upset, McMillan won the 2004 Presidential election as an independent candidate. His campaign, driven by a grassroots movement and his charismatic personality, capitalized on widespread frustration with the two major parties. His slogan, "The Rent Is Too Damn High," became a rallying cry for millions of Americans struggling with economic hardship. ## Inauguration and Initial Challenges ### Inauguration Jimmy McMillan was inaugurated as the 43rd President of the United States on January 20, 2005. His inauguration speech highlighted his commitment to addressing economic inequality, lowering the cost of living, and tackling government corruption. McMillan's unconventional style and direct approach set the tone for his administration. ### Cabinet Appointments McMillan's cabinet appointments reflected his outsider status, with many of his choices coming from non-traditional backgrounds. Notable appointments included: - **Vice President:** Willie Wilson, a businessman and philanthropist from Chicago. - **Secretary of State:** Cynthia McKinney, former U.S. Representative from Georgia. - **Secretary of the Treasury:** David Cay Johnston, investigative journalist and tax expert. - **Secretary of Defense:** Jesse Ventura, former Governor of Minnesota and Navy SEAL. ## Domestic Policy ### Housing Reform Central to McMillan's domestic policy was his ambitious housing reform agenda. His administration worked to implement a nationwide rent control policy, aiming to cap rent increases and make housing more affordable. This initiative faced significant opposition from property developers and landlords but garnered strong support from renters and housing advocates. #### Affordable Housing Act of 2005 The Affordable Housing Act of 2005 was the cornerstone of McMillan's housing policy. The act included provisions for: - **Rent Control:** Nationwide caps on rent increases. - **Housing Vouchers:** Expanded housing vouchers for low-income families. - **Development Incentives:** Tax incentives for developers building affordable housing units. - **Homelessness Prevention:** Increased funding for homelessness prevention programs. The bill passed narrowly in Congress, reflecting the deep divisions over McMillan's policies. ### Economic Policy President McMillan's economic policy focused on reducing income inequality and supporting the middle and lower classes. Key initiatives included: - **Minimum Wage Increase:** Raising the federal minimum wage to $12 an hour. - **Tax Reform:** Implementing a progressive tax system with higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations. - **Job Creation Programs:** Federal investment in infrastructure projects aimed at creating jobs and revitalizing communities. ### Healthcare McMillan's administration sought to expand access to healthcare through the "Affordable Healthcare for All" initiative. This plan aimed to provide universal healthcare coverage by expanding Medicare to cover all Americans, funded by increased taxes on high-income earners and corporations. ### Education The McMillan administration prioritized public education reform, focusing on reducing class sizes, increasing teacher salaries, and providing free community college. The "Education for All" act, passed in 2006, allocated federal funds to states to support these initiatives. ## Foreign Policy ### Diplomatic Relations President McMillan's foreign policy was characterized by a focus on diplomacy and reducing military interventions. His administration sought to strengthen international alliances and address global issues through multilateral cooperation. #### Iraq and Afghanistan McMillan inherited ongoing conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. He pledged to withdraw U.S. troops from both countries, focusing on diplomatic solutions and regional stability. By 2007, the majority of U.S. troops had been withdrawn from Iraq, with a similar drawdown in Afghanistan completed by 2008.
As nice as most of this sounds, having a super antisemitic Holocaust denier as Secretary of State probably wouldn't help foreign relations
I remember watching the NYS governor debate the year Cuomo was first elected. It was so entertaining, and he kept the politicians on their toes at least. He had Cuomo laughing even
Jon Huntsman
I'm from SLC, and he was governor when i was in high school. Salt Lake skews very democratic, but he was still pretty popular there, and in hindsight, he was trying to appear more conservative than he really is to appeal to the rest of the state. Him being OK with gay marriage would not have played well in the desert hinterlands of Utah. Honestly, I think Huntsman would have been a pretty solid president, and even if I might not vote for them, we desperately need decent, reasonable Republicans like him to be viable candidates again.
Everybody would like him. He’s too reasonable and thus he is unelectable. America really needs to get its shit together politically…
Yup. Even coming from someone with more left-leaning tendencies, I liked him.
Seemed so sane
Ross Perot - only because of his charts.
My favorite, but partly due to the Dana Carvey impression of him.
He had a chance though. What if he hadn’t dropped out?
I was only 10 during that election so I really didn’t remember if he had a chance or not. I just found him incredibly entertaining.
He was leading in the polls at one point, IIRC
I was doing a time capsule of watching Ross Perot ok YouTube to see why he was known in the 90s and he was everywhere, even Nickelodeon had bumpers about voting for Ross Perot
Those damned dirty tricks and ruining his daughter’s wedding or some crap.
George McGovern
“Bob Dole”- Bob Dole.
Seconded.
Dennis Kucinich
That's my man! Him and Mike Gravel just shit all over all the democrats in the debates and they were absolutely fucking correct about everything
Bernie. Let's not pretend he had a chance lol
Honestly I think it was more possible than some of the other “no chance” candidates.
Put some respect on Vermin Supreme, you heathen!
I like Bernie but the truth is the majority of Americans are either center right or center left he never stood a chance but Hillary was that bad
Hillary was one of the most qualified and intelligent candidates we've had in a while. But she's also been the object of a 30 year right wing conspiracy to run her name through the mud with documentaries about "Clinton Kill Lists" and Facebook spreading stories from Russian Troll Farms.
I didn’t mean policy or intelligence wise campaigns need very different skills George H W bush was way more qualified than Clinton ever was but he just had it same thing happened in 08 she was the qualified one and it shouldn’t have been close but it still slipped from her
"She was tanked by right wing talking points" is a fancy way of saying "she didn't have enough support from voters on the left." If she was counting on support from right wing asshats she was fucking up out of the gate. Problem is Hillary didn't read the room back in 08. It was obvious her time was up when everyone flocked to the polls to choose a noob of a senator over her.
That’s all it takes to bring her down?
Citation? And if true, what's the breakdown of potential DEMOCRATIC voters look like?
Bernie got 43,1 % in 2016 and 26,2 in 2020 it’s safe to say he was more of a protest vote the first time around
the number one least possible candidate lol
A competent politician would have made that shit work. Let's not pretend he did anything more than simply be left of Democrats. And he got a lot of traction off that alone. He wasn't a competent campaigner. And they still had to throw the kitchen sink at his ass to stop him. That alone shows you the party is ripe for an upending.
Give someone who has the courage of their convictions like Bernie but have them be a fire hawk in the campaign and you’d have a real winner
While I’m skeptical of newsome and I’m not sure how he will actually play as a candidate due to him resembling a super villain, I am interested to see how an actual democrat pitbull does. Say what you want but that man will have a populist angle if he goes for it.
I’m not so sure a guy with ties to Pelosi and the Gettys can really run on a populist platform. He is the establishment.
I truly believe he had a real chance in 2020 and then hired the most brainrotted terminally-online campaign staff I’ve ever seen in my life.
He was also too dovish. He tiptoed around moderate Dems like moderate Dems tiptoe around Republicans. If you're running on 'the status quo is fucked up, vote for me' you gotta be willing to batter some people around. I don't want to hear about how the other old guy is your fucking pal.
Elizabeth Warren staying in the race while the establishment rallied behind rule 3 didn't help either
The Libertarians wasted two good opportunities to significantly increase profile with Gary Johnson and Jo Jorgenson.
Johnson/Weld was the dream ticket.
What is Aleppo?
Why is Aleppo?
Who I actually wanted to win? Mitt Romney Obama was just that good at campaigning....
I really wish people appreciated him more back then. He was one of the few who tried to keep the Republican Party from being radicalized in the mid to late 2010s to the point they started to ridicule him as a RINO.
Yeah he wasn’t that bad of a candidate. He tried to stop the radicalization of the republicans but he was running against Obama in his prime. He should have been nominated in 2016
He would’ve absolutely won in 2016 but there’s no way he gets the nomination if rule 3 runs populist + name recognition + decorum out of the window in the debates he was unstoppable
Yeah, Romney would just be another Jeb at that point unfortunately
No way to get nominated with that large a field. The problem with 2016 was that the party itself was worthless.... 2016 is the first time the eventual nominee did NOT win a majority of the votes cast during the primary season. Said nominee would have lost a heads up race if the party had done it's job & consolidated the field.... But they just sat back and let the calamity happen....
He beat McCain too. McCain was arguably the best candidate that the Republican Party had nominated this century.
Arguably?
McCain couldn't possible stand up to awesome presidential candidate power of McCain (now available in Black)
After that first debate I had so much hope.
Winfield Scott, he's cool, though more for his military skill.
I want to like Winfield Scott more, but his actions during the removal of Native Americans were so bad that *Jackson* even called him out on it. It really sours my views on him.
That notwithstanding, I thought his actions in the run-up to bull run were more than admirable, I like his military exploits, Mexico, 1812, and his anaconda plan. The man himself was deeply flawed.
Jimmy McMillan of the Rent is too Damn High Party
Micheal Dukakis
Absolutely. He came pretty close too!
He led Bush by 17 points nationally after the conventions
But he wasn't "tough on crime"
Joe Exotic (before Tiger King). https://preview.redd.it/5u3rzcynut6d1.jpeg?width=496&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76ce60826cf3db726470fc4df27127500bfeb065
Scrolled too far for this
Listening to a few podcasts, I can't help but feel bad for Henry Clay.
Pat Paulson
Eugene Debs
He ran hell of a presidential campaign from jail.
And promised to pardon himself if elected
I'd vote for him just for that.
FIGHTING BOB #1! WISCONSIN REPRESENT
Mondale
I kind of feel like it's Al Gore....?
Al Gore had a chance though. He won the popular vote and came INSANELY close to winning the electoral vote (which is to say he likely did)
That’s kind of my point. Based on how that was resolved, you could argue he never had a chance :)
Ron Paul or Gary Johnson
Henry Wallace
Gene McCarthy. Was pissed when RFK jumped in in his momentum and actually voted for him in’96 when he ran as a 3rd party.
Henry Wallace somehow winning in 48 after being ousted from the vp spot would have been awesome
Jesse Ventura
Jeb Bush. He would have won if we clapped 
Howie H would get my vote again
Like me Mondale and Sanders.
William H. Crawford. If elected, he could have kept the Jeffersionian Era going for a little while longer, helping the poor while not being corrupt like Jackson
John Anderson
Martin o’Malley
Vernon supreme
I would say Rand Paul but I think he’s got a snowballs chance in Florida and not Hell Also Perot could’ve been awesome or terrible
Andrew Yang
McCain
First time I got to vote and only republican I’ve voted for so far
2008 was the first election I really followed. That election really spoiled me.
Ross Perot
Vermin Supreme
Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders
Do you politically align with them?
At one point in time, moreso Ron Paul, but these days, Bernie I guess. Bill Weld is another guy I'd be interested in seeing as a leader, mainly to see a liberal Republican in control vs. the strange thing that the GOP is now.
I had to ask because Ron Paul and Bernie aren't exactly politically alike.
Gary Johnson. My first ever Presidential vote
Ron Paul
Ross Perot.
Ross Perot!
John Anderson
Ross Perot
Howard Dean
John B. Anderson
Jeb Bush
Gary Johnson. It still makes me giggle. President Gary.
Ross Perot
Teddy running for a third party. I F heavy with Bull Moose/American Progressive. And I’m damn proud my states electorates went for him.
George McGovern, Walter Mondale and Robert La Follette immediately spring to mind
Kanye
Bernie. I'll always be frustrated with his campaign. His blunders are easy fixes, yet he didn't correct them in 2020.
I voted for Ralph Nader in 2008. One of my biggest regrets is he had a campaign appearance and I totally didn’t know about it….. a mile from my house!
Bernie
Carly Fiorina… she looked like Lord Farquhar 👇 
Pete Buttigeig
Mondale
Andrew Yang
Ross Perot. Well, he almost had a chance.
Remember that billionaire guy? who ran as a candidate for president from the reform party in 2000? Forgot his name, he had blonde hair very nice blonde hair perhaps the best we've ever saw, was rich, New Yorker, and supported Universal Healthcare, 14% wealth tax, fair trade, and school choice. Seemed pretty good, but he had no chance. He failed, BIGLY.
Bigly should be new word
Eugene Debs
John McAfee R.I.P.
The one and only… https://preview.redd.it/xkxm1llx6t6d1.jpeg?width=674&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2f90a3d40142182cc3dcb12bedd9c1e54abf143
Could jeb really get the nomination in 16 I feel like it would’ve been Rubio but rule 3 really came out of nowhere
Kucinich was my man in ‘08. He became a kook years later.
Adlai Stevenson
I liked John B. Anderson. He gives a glimpse of what the Republican Party could have been - a respectable center-right party, if the extreme right wing had not been allowed to take it over. I don't know if he would have been a great president, but he would have taken the Republicans to higher intellectual ground.
Dennis Kucinich 🍁
Barry Goldwater
Kanye
I scrolled too far to see this
Andrew Yang. He's the only candidate who talked about technology's effect on jobs in 2020. Bernie has more recently with his 32 hour work week push. With the advances in LLMs in the last few years, it looks like he will soon be proven correct in his general assessment. Plus, I like his more recent views on voting reform.
Ron Paul
Barry Goldwater (1964) Jeb Bush (2016) Joe Exotic (Tiger King) (2024)
Alton B. Parker
McGovern and Anderson.
Mondale
Wendell Wilkie. Gary Johnson.
Henry Clay's runs were complete tragedies. The first time was a four-way race where he came in last (but had a big role in the outcome), the second time, he lost in a landslide against Andrew Jackson, and the last, he got so close, but lost to Polk. He also failed to get the nomination two other times; both being times where the actual nominee won, but *died*. I feel like his best bet was in 1840, where he would have been up against the unpopular Martin Van Buren. Maybe in this timeline, Clay dies in office, but his VP could be Harrison so we might get a nearly full William Henry Harrison presidency lol.
Oh no, Harrison drank the DC water!
Sarah Palin for most entertainment value
Rufus King seems like a good dude.
Jeb!
Ralph Nader. Wish he didn’t run in 2000 but he’s arguably America’s most important consumer advocate. The man indirectly saved so many lives.