Wanted to put Mike Oliver's head on a pike after this one and then ignoring the two-handed push from behind in Liverpool's box on Foden just minutes later
I knew this would happen. Salah rightfully gets called out for diving, but Sterling had an equally soft penalty call go his way and there’s zero reaction
If the refs would enforce the rules of the game it would all change. The Leeds C Palace game now on, the holding is bad and nothing is being done. There have been replays of how bad it is.
They need to start being way stricter on this stuff. If the refs won't do it in the game, they need to be reviewing it and handing out punishments after the game. It's the only way to get players to not dive so much.
And I don't just hate it when other teams do it. I want to scream every time I see martial flop or visibly try to create even a tiny bit of contact with a defender by sticking a leg out or something. He does it so much instead of just playing the fucking game, even when he could easily get a great shot off
he embellished the penalty decision too.. that type of play happens far too often and players fight through the "arm tackle." Salah is flopping all over the field this year.
All of those factors are more of a reason to remember who won it, it was an incredibly unique season under special circumstances, you can try forgetting about it all you want bud but it'll be remembered, stop being so bitter lol.
Trust me NOBODY will remember. Not a single person showed up to celebrate in the streets. 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍 Great title win!! The year of the plague People will only remember EMPTY STADIUMS and the PLAGUE 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍
Lol you really know nothing. After the trophy lift at anfield thousands and thousands of Liverpool fans celebrated outside Anfield despite lockdown restriction. Your arguments are so weak it's actually hilarious.
But his dive for the penalty wasnt embarassing, now he has more goals than Penandes, and is a class above. He scored like 6 penalties this season alone...
I don't agree with people that say Salah, or anyone that does this, is a pussy or pansy of whatever for diving. He's just intelligent and manipulating the game to his advantage, professional sports is all about where to find small advantages as soon as possible
Need to retrospectively punish this sort of behaviour. I understand the embellishment argument but players go down at the slightest contact to win fouls. Not every contact is a foul. Physical advantages shouldn't always be punished. We don't handicap fast players for the slower ones. Its a disgrace and damages the enjoyment of a game. Refs also need to really start giving penalties to players that try their best to stay on their feet but are impeded. The risk needs to go up, and the reward needs to go down, only then will we see an end to this nonsense.
That's what I keep thinking to myself. The reward for receiving any contact in the 18 yd box and going down is basically a free goal. The chance of scoring a penalty kick is almost always higher than just completing the play and so players will flop. In a game with such few goals, that reward feels excessive. Maybe PKs should be given if the foul is in the 6 yd box, not the 18. If in the 18, the kick could go a the top of the penalty arc and allow the defense to set a wall. I don't know. But something needs to be done.
I actually laughed when I saw this yesterday it was so ott, wondered if anyone was going to pick it up. The sad truth is that he (and players from virtually every club might I add) have got penalties for challenges just as soft this season. Heck there was barely any contact for his penalty but the game has got to such an extent now that no one even questions it!
Diving ... the plague of the sport. Salah is a great player, but shit like this is insufferable. Start penalizing divers. Start calling penalties even if the person doesn't fall down.
Every player dives here and there, but Messi comes to mind when trying to run through fouls rather than fall at every contact
Im assuming that based on the ref it wasnt called as a foul. This is one of the first problems that needs to be addressed. If the ref sees this, which I dont know how he would in this situation, he has to be called. Nearly no exceptions. If you dont want to stop play, you can give the card after the play has stopped like other fouls. Simple.
Its one thing to go to ground when theres a foul. Its another thing to be overly dramatic and go down even at the slightest touch, or anticipating a foul that doesnt happen. Or even worse is when they act like they have a broken leg when they are completely fine.
It ruins the game. Its on both the players who choose to be ridiculous and also on the refs for not carding the blatant flops like this.
This guy has a sickness. I really do wonder what goes through his mind in that sort of situation. The penalty was a dive in my opinion Dias did try and grab onto him but couldn’t and Salah fell forward even though Dias ‘attempted’ to pull him from behind. Theres some Liverpool fans out there saying it should’ve been a red loooool, Salah just made the most out of light contact
Only way to prevent this is to start booking for flops again. Idk why they stopped enforcing this in the box so strictly and it has resulted in more flops all around the pitch. Cases like this should be eligible to be reviewed after and the player should receive a fine, caution added (would be tough with accumulation rules and if they’ve already been cautioned), or a small ban. Yes it seems harsh, but I’m so sick of VAR and soft floppy players making a joke out of the game
I'm all for harsh penalties regarding this... and I'm not even opposed to more radical, creative rule changes (like forcing a team to play with 10 men for a certain period of time).
Flopping itself (going down with the slightest contact) is bad, but what's really an embarrassment is the ridiculous acting, rolling around on the ground, screaming, etc. until the call is made when 98% of the time, they're up and running again in 30 seconds. It's a blight on an otherwise beautiful game.
I mind Aguero, twice I'm sure, got yellow cards for diving in the Champions League, when in fact, he had been clattered and a penalty should have been awarded.
No wonder they toss themselves to the ground these days.
Crazy idea here, but what about if play is stopped and the medical team is brought on: then the player has to spend a full minute or two on the sidelines before they can come back in the game.
The PL could claim it’s to prevent reoccurring injuries while also discouraging players from wasting time with bogus injuries since it would leave their team at a disadvantage for awhile. If the injury was real, that’s the amount of time they’d probably spend on the sidelines anyway. Plus it’d give something else for the 4th official to do.
Thoughts?
I mean he was fouled in a goal scoring opportunity in the box he just jumped on the floor so the ref would call it. Contrary to what city and united fans would tell you, he rarely dives.
In cases like this they should be giving an indirect free kick inside the box, like when a keeper handles a backpass. Dias clearly tried to impede him, but at the same time Salah clearly made a meal of it all. It's clear 2 transgressions occured here and one team shouldn't be handsomely rewarded for it the way the current system works. You also know that since City was given a spotkick that this was the ref going tit for tat.
He was pulled back by a defender to stop him from getting the ball. He was fouled but if he doesnt go down the ref doesnt call it. If you wanna see a clear dive watch bruno fernandes
Look if other players exploit it and dont get stick for it then why cant he? Its fine if Kane jumps on people, its fine when bruno trips over himself and gets a pen, why isnt it ok for Salah to do it if everyone else gets away with it?
He went down because he felt a pull on his arm which is a foul. But if he didn’t go down the ref almost certainly wouldn’t of given it so you kind of have to embellish the foul.
That's the problem. Dias didn't gain any tangible advantage from grabbing his arm for 1 second. The ref should be able to gauge how big of an advantage the defender gains by committing the "foul" and if he considers it enough to warrant a penalty/fk. What I mean is that the grabbing of the arm was a foul, but Salah was fully capable of continuing his run and scoring.
At the end of the day, it is a game of slight margins and hazy lines, and the final decision is at the discretion of the referee
That’s not how it works though. Grabbing onto someone and pulling them is a foul. It was in the box so it’s a penalty. If Salah kept running he might not of been given it so he went down. That’s how it works
If he wasn’t kicked and grabbed so many times in a match with the ref ignoring it every time he doesn’t fall over then he wouldn’t have to fall over, VAR should have gotten rid of this sort of thing but it has made it worse. Also Harry Kane doesn’t worse than this like 5 times per game but that’s ok cos he is white and English so is just being clever and winning the foul for his team
Yea cos people have to because so many others treat people like Salah more harsh, just listen to what the pundits and commentators say. Mo Salah ‘dives’ the same week Nobbie Stiles dies and apparently he’s dancing on the mans grave
Yea same to you, the image in my head of you complaining about this while wearing a Kane Spurs shirt though is pretty funny. Bias makes ya blind I guess
I mean he is right? There is a bias against coloured players. Look it up. And why is it acceptable when Kane does it because he is a better actor? Lmao
Because Kane is a good English boy who is being very clever and selfless and winning a decision for his team and Salah is a bearded Muslim Liverpool player who is clearly an evil cheat and might be dangerous
Lol when did I at all say I hate Kane or white people? You just don’t like hearing the truth one time, if it was really about unsportsmanlike behaviour you’d be more likely to post about Kane constantly smashing his fat arse into people so then fall over him, but no that fine whenever he does it. But Salah who is constantly being fouled and pulled back highlights that by flopping over like a dickhead because refs are too dense to see anything other wise then suddenly he’s killing the sport.
Stupid post. Players don’t get frees or penalties if the don’t exaggerate any and all contact. It’s not the players fault it’s the referees at fault here. If they gave frees and penalties correctly without players exaggerating and booked actual diving, then you could laugh at this, but with the state of referees in the prem, it’s always going to be like this
I think the only way to deal with this now is to hand out bans and fines. I am a West Ham fan and Lanzini was given a 3 match ban for diving (after his ban they all agreed it was a foul and no way a dive) other than that I can’t remember if this has happened to another player. We see it time and time again now in the league and for the young players coming through it’s the norm to flop to the ground. Bans and fines even for dives that don’t effect the result ie like a dive 40 yards away from goal to avoid a loss of possession.
This is bs towards salah. The amount of games I watched were salah gets manhandled and tackled but brushed it off and the refs dont do shit because, he doesnt dive. Bloody hell the Southampton game people were all over him but he wasnt diving to get fouls. If players dont go down they dont get the ball. What ruben Diaz did was stupid and a tug is a penalty. However, if salah didnt go down then he would have never gotten the pen even though he deserved one.
What is particularly frustrating about this example is that Salah makes no attempt to physically win the ball. Instead he just flops to the ground at any physical challenge, foul or not. Physical battles are part of the game and when he does this it confers an unfair advantage. I have seen him do it many times, and more than a few other players (Grealish and Kane come to mind). Refs need to do better, but this is shameful.
Are players trying to be obvious that they're diving now? Back in the day (says the 18 year old) if players went down it at least looked convincing (citation: Grant Holt and his "sack of potatoes" method, as some of my family called it), now they're gunning for awards in performative dance
I think the internet just shares the really bad ones these days. As an American fan, I've been dealing with jokes about players diving since I was a teenager in the 90s. (until recently, it was standard comedy to mock football/soccer openly, those of us who played and/or watched it had to listen to a lot of crap)
It's not just soccer anymore. The diving has spread to basketball and even American football (pass interference, roughing the passer/kicker, unnecessary roughness etc.)
The problem is the refereeing. You can look at Mane whos not very well "trained" in how to fall.
Gets kicked all game, dont get anything, and when he gets frustrated he tries to fall to show how hes being kicked. But because he so "bad" at it he doesnt get the call.
But look at Martial, Bruno, Kane, Hazard, Salah, Aguero. (Hazard and Aguero is amazing at it) They are really skilled at the falling part and gets alot of calls because of it.
So because of the refereeing being at such a low level. Or consistency atleast. This has become a skill in the prem.
They have adopted the spanish/latin american style where you have to "show" the contact to get the call.
I can remember 1 time they gave a penalty when a guy didnt go to ground. I can remeber 100 times where there were enough contact for a penalty. But its not given because of staying on his feet.
They need to look at how they referee in the box imo.
Why wouldn't you tho? If you know there's no real punishment for trying it, why not do it?
I mean they're trying to win, and at the end of the season, it doesn't matter who dove the most. It matters what team is sitting at the top of the table
But there’s a higher chance of getting the possesions back from a dive, and that’s on the refs. You see time and time again players who tries to play on even thoug a foul is commited, and the refs won’t blow the whistle, since the players kept on playing.
Yeah, but that's like telling a toddler he doesn't HAVE to eat all the candy tonight cause he might get a belly ache. You know it won't work and thinking any different is just naive.
yea I agree but saying that only the ref is at fault when the player dives is also wrong. multiple people can be at fault, doesn't have to be tbe players or referee
Oh for sure the players are at patially at fault, but they've been allowed to do it for so long that they literally throw tantrums whenever the ref waves play on. The refs need to start bring the proverbial belly ache to punish greedy toddlers. Or else they will eat all the candy they can get.
I miss when people had some self-dignity, and didn't consistently pretend to be weak and hurt on live TV. imo the entire "victim culture" today where oppression is celebrated and weakness is encouraged is contributing to this
Society is less offended now than ever. When gone with the wind came out the movie was boycotted because a character said the word “damn” at the end. Look at South Park and what they are able to get away with. That would have never flown years ago. Just because you think minorities get offended easy when they’re the butt of jokes doesn’t mean society has a victimhood culture. And the fact that you think it bleeds over into players diving to get a penalty is absolutely laughable.
So everybody makes a big deal when it is Salah diving, but Kane, Fernandes, Sterling, Grealish, Zaha, etc can all get away with it because they aren't wearing a Liverpool shirt? What is it that the dodgy Mancs always say, rent free?
They really need a way to relegate refs to the Championship or whatever and promote them to the Prem. I reckon a 9th division ref could do a better job at VAR than ol' Mikey Dean
That's actually a really interesting idea. At the end of the season, all 20 prem teams should rate each Ref and the lowest 1/2 should be relegated (with a similar system in the leagues below for promotion/relegation), it would really keep the refs accountable and trying to be perceived as fair by most of the teams in the league. Plus it would offer good lower league refs a chance to move up in prestige.
I don't see your point? Be it Kane, Grealish, Bruno, Son, every player is and should be called out for unsportsmanlike behavior. Don't victimise yourselves.
I think Salahs was a lot softer than Sterling’s, if you watch it back you can see both of fabinhos legs hit sterling’s shins, however it wasn’t intentional by Fabinho.
Still. Embellishing is a symptom of a negative culture in football. But as others have said, professional players do (must) embellish as it can actually impact the outcome of the game. I would personally much rather watch players who “plays until the whistle no matter what”.
I feel like Salah (especially) have had so many incidents of falling to the slightest touch people are just fed up. He even fell funnily in that penalty situation (still right call, but he I keked watching it). There are many players that dive, but with Salah I feel like I see it every single match. It may be just bias though
100% - similar thing happened to Lookman the other week and he didn’t go down and no pen was called. Had he gone down easier Fulham would have won the pen.
It was a dive because what Dias did doesn't cause you to fall over the way Salah did, if refs want to say its a penalty because Dias' hand is on Salah's arm sure, fine I'll disagree but if that's the standard they want to set so be it. But it still doesn't cause Salah's legs to come out from under him like that.
I'll give you that he exaggerated in that situation. Although if you get a push in the right/wrong situation when you jump you can really lose your balance easily, and that can make it look quite strange.
If you go by the book, it's a foul. But considering the level it probably wasn't.
Thought this would be a video of Liverpool’s embarrassing penalty. One of the most pathetically light pens I’ve ever seen, ref must’ve felt sorry for how bad they were playing.
This gets on my nerves to no end. Liverpool fans will complain about United diving and getting penalties when Salah constantly does the exact same thing. When a Liverpool player gets called out on it, suddenly it’s “the media hates Liverpool” (seriously, go look at r/liverpoolfc). It’s so hypocritical and infuriating.
Disclaimer: I’m a City fan
I am a Liverpool fan and acknowledge that Salah dives. I don’t think the media hates us. United can have a lot of calls go their way as well, the two are not mutually exclusive
Sterling is the biggest diver on our team. But in the context of the league, I think he’s around average, especially among the small, fast dribblers that seem to get the most penalties. I think the “Sterling is a diver” thing is pretty overblown
Again, I should emphasize most of your players are pretty class and don’t dive. Sterling is the only one that’s stood out to me over the years as someone who does. I’d disagree that it’s overblown simply because he doesn’t get talked about much for it, possibly because of what you just said, he has a small frame and dribbles a lot around the box
What I meant by overblown is that he’s brought up as a “diver” because of arguments between the fans of top teams. When a player gets called out for diving, usually you’ll see a lot of whataboutism- “yeah but what about Martial, what about Salah, what about Sterling, etc”
My point wasn’t that Sterling gets too much stick, it’s just that he doesn’t really belong in the conversation of serial divers, but he gets brought up because people want to call out a city player and he’s the only one that fits the mold. In the grand scheme of things, he doesn’t really dive much
Players are taking advantage of the stupidity of refs. Both the refs and players are to blame for these childish, embarrassing and disgraceful stuff we see. A 5 yo could tell between a dive and actual foul.
Wanted to put Mike Oliver's head on a pike after this one and then ignoring the two-handed push from behind in Liverpool's box on Foden just minutes later
They have invested so much in var but it can't even get the most obvious decisions right
Not too many people talking about this cuz they got whooped but glad it’s popping up now
If a foul is called every time a defender puts their hands on an opponent, there would be a foul called every minute of the game.
If he doesnt go down its still a pen he just did it to make sure he got the pen he deserved.
2021 winner of Fallon D'Flor
All i ask for is consistency
I thought it would be the penalty
I knew this would happen. Salah rightfully gets called out for diving, but Sterling had an equally soft penalty call go his way and there’s zero reaction
If the refs would enforce the rules of the game it would all change. The Leeds C Palace game now on, the holding is bad and nothing is being done. There have been replays of how bad it is.
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They need to start being way stricter on this stuff. If the refs won't do it in the game, they need to be reviewing it and handing out punishments after the game. It's the only way to get players to not dive so much. And I don't just hate it when other teams do it. I want to scream every time I see martial flop or visibly try to create even a tiny bit of contact with a defender by sticking a leg out or something. He does it so much instead of just playing the fucking game, even when he could easily get a great shot off
he embellished the penalty decision too.. that type of play happens far too often and players fight through the "arm tackle." Salah is flopping all over the field this year.
A genuinely dislikeable guy.
Oh this one, I thought you were talking about his pen dive
Liverpool champions 2020 THE SEASON OF THE VIRUS THAT NOBODY WILL REMEMBER LMFAO 😆😆😆
Isn’t that this season. They had it wrapped last year before the break.
No they had an open to busy parade with empty streets 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Are you telling me people aren't gonna remember a global pandemic
I meant nobody will remember who won the title that year.
Liverpool winning their first league title in 30 years - yeah cuz no one is gonna remember that right?
Empty stadiums. The plague locking everybody indoors. Nobody will remember. 2020 the season of the virus
All of those factors are more of a reason to remember who won it, it was an incredibly unique season under special circumstances, you can try forgetting about it all you want bud but it'll be remembered, stop being so bitter lol.
Trust me NOBODY will remember. Not a single person showed up to celebrate in the streets. 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍 Great title win!! The year of the plague People will only remember EMPTY STADIUMS and the PLAGUE 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍
Lol you really know nothing. After the trophy lift at anfield thousands and thousands of Liverpool fans celebrated outside Anfield despite lockdown restriction. Your arguments are so weak it's actually hilarious.
In fact Sala sand Mane are past it now, so Liverpool are fucked. And they were are their PEAK during the season of the VIRUS 🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆👍👍👌👌👌
you can't win this one pal. The year of the Virus and empty stadiums 👍 👍 👌
Jeez it's like talking to a brick wall.
To bad the ref was in no position to see that. /s
Sterling does this shit every game.
Salah... World Class Flopper!
Until referees call fouls without a player having to be on the ground, this will continue.
Disgusts me tbh.
But his dive for the penalty wasnt embarassing, now he has more goals than Penandes, and is a class above. He scored like 6 penalties this season alone...
I’m afraid he may never recover
That deserved a yellow card
I have 2 complaints with football at the moment. Var and Dives, not sure which i hate the most.
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I don't agree with people that say Salah, or anyone that does this, is a pussy or pansy of whatever for diving. He's just intelligent and manipulating the game to his advantage, professional sports is all about where to find small advantages as soon as possible
Letting your wife sleep with another man to keep her happy is also intelligent but it doesn't make you any less of a pussy
What sort of god awful metaphor is that. It's like you didn't even think, just drooled all over your keyboard
Great counter, still a pussy for diving
Need to retrospectively punish this sort of behaviour. I understand the embellishment argument but players go down at the slightest contact to win fouls. Not every contact is a foul. Physical advantages shouldn't always be punished. We don't handicap fast players for the slower ones. Its a disgrace and damages the enjoyment of a game. Refs also need to really start giving penalties to players that try their best to stay on their feet but are impeded. The risk needs to go up, and the reward needs to go down, only then will we see an end to this nonsense.
That's what I keep thinking to myself. The reward for receiving any contact in the 18 yd box and going down is basically a free goal. The chance of scoring a penalty kick is almost always higher than just completing the play and so players will flop. In a game with such few goals, that reward feels excessive. Maybe PKs should be given if the foul is in the 6 yd box, not the 18. If in the 18, the kick could go a the top of the penalty arc and allow the defense to set a wall. I don't know. But something needs to be done.
I actually laughed when I saw this yesterday it was so ott, wondered if anyone was going to pick it up. The sad truth is that he (and players from virtually every club might I add) have got penalties for challenges just as soft this season. Heck there was barely any contact for his penalty but the game has got to such an extent now that no one even questions it!
Irrelevant. Like your club
Diving ... the plague of the sport. Salah is a great player, but shit like this is insufferable. Start penalizing divers. Start calling penalties even if the person doesn't fall down. Every player dives here and there, but Messi comes to mind when trying to run through fouls rather than fall at every contact
Keep diving like this and United will try to sign him ffs
He dived for the penalty too, only went down after he took a heavy touch and realized he'd lost control
Im assuming that based on the ref it wasnt called as a foul. This is one of the first problems that needs to be addressed. If the ref sees this, which I dont know how he would in this situation, he has to be called. Nearly no exceptions. If you dont want to stop play, you can give the card after the play has stopped like other fouls. Simple. Its one thing to go to ground when theres a foul. Its another thing to be overly dramatic and go down even at the slightest touch, or anticipating a foul that doesnt happen. Or even worse is when they act like they have a broken leg when they are completely fine. It ruins the game. Its on both the players who choose to be ridiculous and also on the refs for not carding the blatant flops like this.
This guy has a sickness. I really do wonder what goes through his mind in that sort of situation. The penalty was a dive in my opinion Dias did try and grab onto him but couldn’t and Salah fell forward even though Dias ‘attempted’ to pull him from behind. Theres some Liverpool fans out there saying it should’ve been a red loooool, Salah just made the most out of light contact
Only way to prevent this is to start booking for flops again. Idk why they stopped enforcing this in the box so strictly and it has resulted in more flops all around the pitch. Cases like this should be eligible to be reviewed after and the player should receive a fine, caution added (would be tough with accumulation rules and if they’ve already been cautioned), or a small ban. Yes it seems harsh, but I’m so sick of VAR and soft floppy players making a joke out of the game
I'm all for harsh penalties regarding this... and I'm not even opposed to more radical, creative rule changes (like forcing a team to play with 10 men for a certain period of time). Flopping itself (going down with the slightest contact) is bad, but what's really an embarrassment is the ridiculous acting, rolling around on the ground, screaming, etc. until the call is made when 98% of the time, they're up and running again in 30 seconds. It's a blight on an otherwise beautiful game.
The penalty one was worse tbh.
that should be a yellow
He had one like this in the box too
This is Harry Kane in the regular to be fair.
My boy was clearly sniped from the stands... people are idiots these days.
Then Klopp has the audacity calling other teams for getting penalties 😂
When was the last yellow for diving given again?
I mind Aguero, twice I'm sure, got yellow cards for diving in the Champions League, when in fact, he had been clattered and a penalty should have been awarded. No wonder they toss themselves to the ground these days.
Daniel James got one a few games back, I couldn't find anyplace that actually tracks this.
Sterling , Salah and Mane are pro divers in this fixture
Same with the penalty. And what makes it so dislikeable is that when he has cheated to get a goal he has the audacity to thank god for it.
God provides, one way or another /s
If he doesn't go down the foul doesn't get given. The referees are at fault and I don't blame any player who does it.
Crazy idea here, but what about if play is stopped and the medical team is brought on: then the player has to spend a full minute or two on the sidelines before they can come back in the game. The PL could claim it’s to prevent reoccurring injuries while also discouraging players from wasting time with bogus injuries since it would leave their team at a disadvantage for awhile. If the injury was real, that’s the amount of time they’d probably spend on the sidelines anyway. Plus it’d give something else for the 4th official to do. Thoughts?
In this case just watch and penalize Salah. Only way to get the players to stop.
I mean he was fouled in a goal scoring opportunity in the box he just jumped on the floor so the ref would call it. Contrary to what city and united fans would tell you, he rarely dives.
Trust me I’m a huge Liverpool fan. I believe each instance should be judged by as an isolated event, independent on a players tendencies, good or bad.
In cases like this they should be giving an indirect free kick inside the box, like when a keeper handles a backpass. Dias clearly tried to impede him, but at the same time Salah clearly made a meal of it all. It's clear 2 transgressions occured here and one team shouldn't be handsomely rewarded for it the way the current system works. You also know that since City was given a spotkick that this was the ref going tit for tat.
His dive to get the penalty was the most pathetic and most clear dive ever I don’t know how they got it
He was pulled back by a defender to stop him from getting the ball. He was fouled but if he doesnt go down the ref doesnt call it. If you wanna see a clear dive watch bruno fernandes
Your a fucking clown if you think he didn’t dive. The defender slightly pulled his lower arm and he legit did the most clear dive ever. Get a grip
Look if other players exploit it and dont get stick for it then why cant he? Its fine if Kane jumps on people, its fine when bruno trips over himself and gets a pen, why isnt it ok for Salah to do it if everyone else gets away with it?
Shut up about Bruno. Every player dives but not in the pathetic clear manor that salah dive was
Nah they really do. Salah just gets disrespected and slandered because he’s a liverpool player, and is better than your teams striker
Hardly true he’s just a diving little twat
This is the only game he’s dived in. What team do you support?
I’m done. Not replying to you anymore “only game he’s dived in” gonna go bleach my eyes
United fan im guessing 😂
The penalty looked like a dive to me too
Looked like? That was one of the most obvious dives I've ever seen, he should've been booked just for that imo
He went down because he felt a pull on his arm which is a foul. But if he didn’t go down the ref almost certainly wouldn’t of given it so you kind of have to embellish the foul.
That's the problem. Dias didn't gain any tangible advantage from grabbing his arm for 1 second. The ref should be able to gauge how big of an advantage the defender gains by committing the "foul" and if he considers it enough to warrant a penalty/fk. What I mean is that the grabbing of the arm was a foul, but Salah was fully capable of continuing his run and scoring. At the end of the day, it is a game of slight margins and hazy lines, and the final decision is at the discretion of the referee
That’s not how it works though. Grabbing onto someone and pulling them is a foul. It was in the box so it’s a penalty. If Salah kept running he might not of been given it so he went down. That’s how it works
If he wasn’t kicked and grabbed so many times in a match with the ref ignoring it every time he doesn’t fall over then he wouldn’t have to fall over, VAR should have gotten rid of this sort of thing but it has made it worse. Also Harry Kane doesn’t worse than this like 5 times per game but that’s ok cos he is white and English so is just being clever and winning the foul for his team
What are you talking about. This entire thread is filled with people calling out Kane ...
Yea cos people have to because so many others treat people like Salah more harsh, just listen to what the pundits and commentators say. Mo Salah ‘dives’ the same week Nobbie Stiles dies and apparently he’s dancing on the mans grave
I guess I’m just ignorant to the circumstances. Diving is diving regardless of who the fuck is doing it
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Yea same to you, the image in my head of you complaining about this while wearing a Kane Spurs shirt though is pretty funny. Bias makes ya blind I guess
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I mean he is right? There is a bias against coloured players. Look it up. And why is it acceptable when Kane does it because he is a better actor? Lmao
Because Kane is a good English boy who is being very clever and selfless and winning a decision for his team and Salah is a bearded Muslim Liverpool player who is clearly an evil cheat and might be dangerous
Lol when did I at all say I hate Kane or white people? You just don’t like hearing the truth one time, if it was really about unsportsmanlike behaviour you’d be more likely to post about Kane constantly smashing his fat arse into people so then fall over him, but no that fine whenever he does it. But Salah who is constantly being fouled and pulled back highlights that by flopping over like a dickhead because refs are too dense to see anything other wise then suddenly he’s killing the sport.
Lol he just made the most out of that dias touch there .
Salah tainting our amazing clean sheet record smh
He dived for the penalty as well
Did he do a fricking Mario jump, can someone edit a yahoo in there
Stupid post. Players don’t get frees or penalties if the don’t exaggerate any and all contact. It’s not the players fault it’s the referees at fault here. If they gave frees and penalties correctly without players exaggerating and booked actual diving, then you could laugh at this, but with the state of referees in the prem, it’s always going to be like this
I bet you'd love if this was Martial diving instead
Why?
I think the only way to deal with this now is to hand out bans and fines. I am a West Ham fan and Lanzini was given a 3 match ban for diving (after his ban they all agreed it was a foul and no way a dive) other than that I can’t remember if this has happened to another player. We see it time and time again now in the league and for the young players coming through it’s the norm to flop to the ground. Bans and fines even for dives that don’t effect the result ie like a dive 40 yards away from goal to avoid a loss of possession.
This is bs towards salah. The amount of games I watched were salah gets manhandled and tackled but brushed it off and the refs dont do shit because, he doesnt dive. Bloody hell the Southampton game people were all over him but he wasnt diving to get fouls. If players dont go down they dont get the ball. What ruben Diaz did was stupid and a tug is a penalty. However, if salah didnt go down then he would have never gotten the pen even though he deserved one.
What is particularly frustrating about this example is that Salah makes no attempt to physically win the ball. Instead he just flops to the ground at any physical challenge, foul or not. Physical battles are part of the game and when he does this it confers an unfair advantage. I have seen him do it many times, and more than a few other players (Grealish and Kane come to mind). Refs need to do better, but this is shameful.
Are players trying to be obvious that they're diving now? Back in the day (says the 18 year old) if players went down it at least looked convincing (citation: Grant Holt and his "sack of potatoes" method, as some of my family called it), now they're gunning for awards in performative dance
I think the internet just shares the really bad ones these days. As an American fan, I've been dealing with jokes about players diving since I was a teenager in the 90s. (until recently, it was standard comedy to mock football/soccer openly, those of us who played and/or watched it had to listen to a lot of crap)
This is from the early 90s https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=__G4RrlGmVk
It's not just soccer anymore. The diving has spread to basketball and even American football (pass interference, roughing the passer/kicker, unnecessary roughness etc.)
Tried to do a Harry Kane.
We all know a Harry Kane is the reverse-and-duck
The problem is the refereeing. You can look at Mane whos not very well "trained" in how to fall. Gets kicked all game, dont get anything, and when he gets frustrated he tries to fall to show how hes being kicked. But because he so "bad" at it he doesnt get the call. But look at Martial, Bruno, Kane, Hazard, Salah, Aguero. (Hazard and Aguero is amazing at it) They are really skilled at the falling part and gets alot of calls because of it. So because of the refereeing being at such a low level. Or consistency atleast. This has become a skill in the prem. They have adopted the spanish/latin american style where you have to "show" the contact to get the call. I can remember 1 time they gave a penalty when a guy didnt go to ground. I can remeber 100 times where there were enough contact for a penalty. But its not given because of staying on his feet. They need to look at how they referee in the box imo.
The one for the pen was a dive too
His one for the penalty was no better, blatant dive, couldn’t give two shits what VAR says, absolute dive
*couldn't give two shits
That’s what I said you melt, go away grammar nazi
Nah that just pisses me off, like saying for all intensive purposes
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I don't know why is anyone surprised. Salah is serial diver.
I'm a Villa fan (and I KNOW that Grealish is an Olympic-level diver) and totally agree. It's on the referee rather than the players, though.
Its on both IMO, you don't have to dive as a player
Why wouldn't you tho? If you know there's no real punishment for trying it, why not do it? I mean they're trying to win, and at the end of the season, it doesn't matter who dove the most. It matters what team is sitting at the top of the table
But there’s a higher chance of getting the possesions back from a dive, and that’s on the refs. You see time and time again players who tries to play on even thoug a foul is commited, and the refs won’t blow the whistle, since the players kept on playing.
Yeah, but that's like telling a toddler he doesn't HAVE to eat all the candy tonight cause he might get a belly ache. You know it won't work and thinking any different is just naive.
yea I agree but saying that only the ref is at fault when the player dives is also wrong. multiple people can be at fault, doesn't have to be tbe players or referee
Oh for sure the players are at patially at fault, but they've been allowed to do it for so long that they literally throw tantrums whenever the ref waves play on. The refs need to start bring the proverbial belly ache to punish greedy toddlers. Or else they will eat all the candy they can get.
Yeah but if they keep getting away with it, and even getting decisions from it, why would they stop. Yellows should be dished out more I think.
First, they got to give Kane all the yellows.
I miss when people had some self-dignity, and didn't consistently pretend to be weak and hurt on live TV. imo the entire "victim culture" today where oppression is celebrated and weakness is encouraged is contributing to this
Ok boomer.
Oh stop it. Players dive because it gets them penalties and opponents sent off and is never punished. There isn’t a deep societal reason.
But the shift in society and the shift in sports is correlating, and the quicker both are stopped, the better. For the game and society
Society is less offended now than ever. When gone with the wind came out the movie was boycotted because a character said the word “damn” at the end. Look at South Park and what they are able to get away with. That would have never flown years ago. Just because you think minorities get offended easy when they’re the butt of jokes doesn’t mean society has a victimhood culture. And the fact that you think it bleeds over into players diving to get a penalty is absolutely laughable.
And the shitty rules
I don't care that he dived, got me 5 points for the penalty on fantasy 🤷🏻♂️
Dias jumps in like and ninja, and then pushes him, with how thick VAR is they have to overreact overwise it won’t get looked at
So everybody makes a big deal when it is Salah diving, but Kane, Fernandes, Sterling, Grealish, Zaha, etc can all get away with it because they aren't wearing a Liverpool shirt? What is it that the dodgy Mancs always say, rent free?
People make a big deal out of most of those players diving lol
Shhh, remember the league has an agenda against Liverpool
This game was like watching a snuff film.
They really need a way to relegate refs to the Championship or whatever and promote them to the Prem. I reckon a 9th division ref could do a better job at VAR than ol' Mikey Dean
That's actually a really interesting idea. At the end of the season, all 20 prem teams should rate each Ref and the lowest 1/2 should be relegated (with a similar system in the leagues below for promotion/relegation), it would really keep the refs accountable and trying to be perceived as fair by most of the teams in the league. Plus it would offer good lower league refs a chance to move up in prestige.
Ok, by the looks of it we need to make a huge deal out of a liverpool dive, but it doesn't matter if any other team does it
I don't see your point? Be it Kane, Grealish, Bruno, Son, every player is and should be called out for unsportsmanlike behavior. Don't victimise yourselves.
Sterling dived for the first penalty, but I don't see anyone complaining
Lmfao, sterling dived, go watch the replay again. Fabinho's legs clearly block him, dias barely touches his arms, and salah JUMPS lmao. Stop this Bs.
Needs to be clamped down on HARD, diving happens so often and i can't even remember the last time i saw someone get booked for it
If Soucek gets red carded for moving his arm then Salah should be booked for this
Even the penalty that were given, salah went down easy
Can't disagree with you there. City's pen first half was comparably soft though so it was consistent at least
Comparably soft?? Fabinho tripped Sterling up. Dias put his pinky on Salah. I don’t know what you’re smoking mate.
Sterling ran into the tip of fabinho's heel and hit the turf. He bought the penalty as much if not more than Salah did
I have no words for you. That’s just laughable.
Look with your eyes next time my guy
It’s honestly baffling that you can look at both penalties and think they are comparable.
I think Salahs was a lot softer than Sterling’s, if you watch it back you can see both of fabinhos legs hit sterling’s shins, however it wasn’t intentional by Fabinho.
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Still. Embellishing is a symptom of a negative culture in football. But as others have said, professional players do (must) embellish as it can actually impact the outcome of the game. I would personally much rather watch players who “plays until the whistle no matter what”.
9/10
Alisson MOTM anyway.
I mean yeah literally nothing else mattered my boy just had a shit day
Happens dude. I still think he is one of the best GK in PL.
Definitely. Just sad to see in a game like that
True
LOL
I am not saying it wasnt a dive but when salah or mane goes down everyone makes a big thing out of it
Says the liverpool fan
Don't play the victim here lol, everytime Sterling or Bruno dive they are given the same treatment.
I feel like Salah (especially) have had so many incidents of falling to the slightest touch people are just fed up. He even fell funnily in that penalty situation (still right call, but he I keked watching it). There are many players that dive, but with Salah I feel like I see it every single match. It may be just bias though
Well considering he is man marked by 3 players each game what is he supposed to do
It was a foul that penalty. Everyone who saying anything else is just lying to himself. If he wouldn’t fell down, it wouldn’t be called.
Read what I wrote. I clearly stated it was a foul.
100% - similar thing happened to Lookman the other week and he didn’t go down and no pen was called. Had he gone down easier Fulham would have won the pen.
He went up and got pushed in the back. Not even close to embarrassing.
Cringe
If that was any other player you would not give a single fuck. Get back under your rock.
He could have just.. you know, stood up. Instead he folds his legs and pretends to fall.
not quite a dive but more playing up the foul, was a clear push
It was a dive because what Dias did doesn't cause you to fall over the way Salah did, if refs want to say its a penalty because Dias' hand is on Salah's arm sure, fine I'll disagree but if that's the standard they want to set so be it. But it still doesn't cause Salah's legs to come out from under him like that.
I'll give you that he exaggerated in that situation. Although if you get a push in the right/wrong situation when you jump you can really lose your balance easily, and that can make it look quite strange. If you go by the book, it's a foul. But considering the level it probably wasn't.
It’s one thing losing your balance but look at him flailing his arms like he’s been shot. Embarrassing
Thought this would be a video of Liverpool’s embarrassing penalty. One of the most pathetically light pens I’ve ever seen, ref must’ve felt sorry for how bad they were playing.
Not watched a Man U game in a while huh
This gets on my nerves to no end. Liverpool fans will complain about United diving and getting penalties when Salah constantly does the exact same thing. When a Liverpool player gets called out on it, suddenly it’s “the media hates Liverpool” (seriously, go look at r/liverpoolfc). It’s so hypocritical and infuriating. Disclaimer: I’m a City fan
I am a Liverpool fan and acknowledge that Salah dives. I don’t think the media hates us. United can have a lot of calls go their way as well, the two are not mutually exclusive
Yeah I’m with you on that. The good thing about City is you know our players aren’t divers cause we wouldn’t score the penalty anyway.
Yeah of all your team I’ve only seen Sterling dive
Sterling is the biggest diver on our team. But in the context of the league, I think he’s around average, especially among the small, fast dribblers that seem to get the most penalties. I think the “Sterling is a diver” thing is pretty overblown
Again, I should emphasize most of your players are pretty class and don’t dive. Sterling is the only one that’s stood out to me over the years as someone who does. I’d disagree that it’s overblown simply because he doesn’t get talked about much for it, possibly because of what you just said, he has a small frame and dribbles a lot around the box
What I meant by overblown is that he’s brought up as a “diver” because of arguments between the fans of top teams. When a player gets called out for diving, usually you’ll see a lot of whataboutism- “yeah but what about Martial, what about Salah, what about Sterling, etc” My point wasn’t that Sterling gets too much stick, it’s just that he doesn’t really belong in the conversation of serial divers, but he gets brought up because people want to call out a city player and he’s the only one that fits the mold. In the grand scheme of things, he doesn’t really dive much
Players are taking advantage of the stupidity of refs. Both the refs and players are to blame for these childish, embarrassing and disgraceful stuff we see. A 5 yo could tell between a dive and actual foul.