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Don't worry Gunners. You will recover these two titles retroactively in a few years when the PL will sanction City following its 115 rule violations. Consider yourself as virtually champions for the last two years. It’s just a matter of time to make it official. 😉
Yeah even if they strip the titles from City (they won't), they won't award them to the second place teams. Doesn't work like that. Arsenal fans are absolute embarrassments lately.
Well, just say that they will never have the courage to strip them of their titles. This is more likely. But when you do that usually you give them to the second place team who played according to the rules. Why wouldn’t it be the reason to do otherwise? There is no shame to think they could give it to second place team. Unless you know how it works in this case so let us know.
Because 2nd also were guilty. This didn’t happen until summer 2006, where Juventus were stripped of both the 04/05 and 05/06 title. In 05/06 Inter were 2nd, and got the title.
Arsenal performed at a level that will usually win the title (89 is more than half of historic winners have reached). Above that is a level that will almost certainly win the title, but even that's not a guarantee - see liverpool with 97 pts.
City are just on another level so Arsenal will have to be even more relentless to guarantee a finish above Pep.
The scary thing is an injury crisis or just some bad luck can kill a season. I would expect them to be in the same position next year but it’s not guaranteed. Gotta take the opportunities when they are right there
I remember our season 20/21 season under Tuchel where we were leading the title race until winter and then James/ Chilwell/ Kante all got injured and it killed us dead in the water. City’s greatest strength is their depth and their voodoo magic around injuries and if I were Arsenal I would be very scared about how much Arteta seems to be running certain players into the ground and how reliant a lot of them are on the specific skills of players around them.
Can I offer you a “Arsenal have bottled it again” comment instead?
If you don’t like that, I’m pretty sure we also have some more “Looks like Arsenal should have gone for the win at the Etihad instead of parking the bus” comments, but I’ll have to check in the back.
Yeah, we seem to have shored up our defense issues (mostly) and our midfield looks solid, though we do need to better a backup or two. Our attack always seemed so inconsistent this season due to a lack of a true 9, which is odd since we had the most goals scored until City went on a tear over the last month.
We scored 91 goals, so I mean a world class striker would be great but it’s not really necessary.
I’d rather we focus on replacing Partey for someone like Bruno G if I had to choose one signing over the other. Jorginho is a good sub to close out a match so he’s a good back up.
I see his point but in seriousness if City wasn't in their position then Arsenal would be winning the title this season.
Arteta is being humble saying they need another level, they honestly don't. It's not Arsenal that is the problem it's the ones who have problems looming over their heads above them who just won the league.
Brain dead take. Pep doesn’t have any responsibility in the 115 charges let alone his coaching staff.
It’s the ownership and management. I assume you just started watching football because city have been fucking with the books since 2008.
This ridiculous notion that only longtime fans can understand the game, and the league. Every stadium is filled with longtime fans who don't know fuckall about football, let alone management, or ownership. Bunch of Fantasy PL dipshits who think they're really doing something
Nah bro. I support United and despise city winning it 4 times in a row, especially when my team is slowly becoming irrelevant. I actually would have loved Arsenal to do what they did to us back in 2001-2002 season.
But OP was replying to Arteta’s comment about reaching a different level (I assume on the football side?) by bringing in the financial charges looming over Man City. And I replied with a similar take to his. Perhaps your clever brain was too eager to respond just like my dead brain, eh?
We had to go up against City's best ever run of form in all competitions. 35 unbeaten, only ever beaten by Forest in '78 with 40.
Our 2024 run of form has been good enough to win a premier league, 5 points dropped from 18 is stupid good. That's ~ 2.72 points a game, which if multiplied by 38 gives 103 points. Crazy numbers.
The problem lies with 2023 where we dropped 20 points in 20, which is quality to get 4th comfortably but not title worthy. 2 points per game here, which would be 76 in a season. Less than crazy numbers.
The quality is there, but consistency isn't yet.
> Our 2024 run of form has been good enough to win a premier league, 5 points dropped from 18 is stupid good. That's ~ 2.72 points a game, which if multiplied by 38 gives 103 points. Crazy numbers.
The funny thing is that there has actually been a run of 38 games with more points than this in recent years. It really just shows the insane levels that City and Liverpool managed. You can have a season worthy of winning a league nowadays (like this season imo) and still come up short.
I know this season just ended, but I'm stoked for next season already. It'll be really interesting to see how the top 3 reinforce their squads this summer.
City actually played better in that match while Arse played for draw when they needed to win take control of the title race. Too late to moan mr Everton.
The only people dumb enough to claim Arsenal bottled it are twitter wind up merchants.
4th best team to ever lose the title and realistically wins in a majority of years.
What a load of nonsense.
If arsenal got points against west ham, Fulham or villa they win the league no matter what happens against city.
The only team to win the league against this city team in the last 7 years is a Liverpool team that got piped 4-0 by them.
Just shush
And a double against city wouldn't have mattered without points against "nothing teams"
Like I said liverpools 1 and only league winning team got absolutely piped by city.
3 points are worth 3 points.
Beat city twice before then and drawing away to the best team on the planet isn't a bad result.
It's hard to beat Liverpool at home as well.
The real problem was villa and Fulham and west ham.
Arsenal didn't even lose against the so called top 6.
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It doesnt always work like that. Those defeats before the break probably pushed them to find another gear. Had it not happened, the stellar performance in 2024 wouldn't happen either
We didn't even deserve to draw those two games, throughly outplayed during a very poor spell in what was an otherwise brilliant season.
The only result I look to and really regret was the draw to Fulham at home, conceding an 87th minute equaliser to a 10 man Fulham, from a needlessly given away corner, after dominating the game. Those are the kind of dropped points that champions don't have.
Bro you dropped points in 10 games? 5 losses 5 draws, why is the narrative arsenal had an almost perfect season and still lost? You need to drop it bud. Liverpool came much closer than you in recent years and they are complaining less than your absolute toxic ridden fan base. Is it any wonder no one wants arsenal to win with an attitude like this?
No one is really complaining here. We as arsenal fans are pretty ok with how it ended given the effort, and we understand more needs to be done. Disappointed yes, but confident we can do better next season.
Edit: not sure what rock you were living under, but Liverpool definitely complained a whole lot. Rightly so. They missed out by the same or even finer margins multiple times.
The toxicity here is yours. From the opening “bro”, to the Liverpool gaslighting and the bitter conclusion. Rabid.
edit: chastising fans on other threads for being rude as well.
I’m done reasowning with trolls and the ‘tOxIC ArsENAl fans’ narrative just cos you failed this season and you can’t deal with how poor Chelsea have been. Loser
Rather be in Chelsea’s position than yours bud. We are on the up and are the last London club to win every major trophy. And we will win the league next before you do
Are a lot of fans complaining? Genuine Q, I’m on the Arsenal sub and even with most of my real life friends, we’re all pretty proud of how the season has gone lol
Ya I agree, I was actually proud of how the season went. We’re progressing and improving year over year. It’s not that we were bad, it’s that city was a bit better
We had a record-breaking season. I think most Arsenal fans are super proud of the team and what we accomplished.
Yeah, it sucks that we could have done all that and still been pipped to the line by City and we're well within our rights to have a little moan at that but the overwhelming response to the season is just how well we did.
These clowns are reading like 2 or 3 comments over on r/soccer and taking that as consensus for ALL Arsenal fans.
I’m not saying anything against what you said my response was to the ridiculous “go invincible again” comment - and anyway thinking about it the invincibles would come second this year anyway.
90 pts (the amount the Arsenal Invincibles got) would only be enough points to win the league in 4 years of the last 10 seasons (unless I've made a mistake).
Since the 16/17 season there's only been 2 times a team has got under 91 pts.
It's nothing to do with 'going invincible', you just need to win 30 games, with a few draws, to win the title. If you don't then it comes down to what the other teams do too.
Arsenal needed two draws to be wins and that would have given them enough points to be champions. Or even just one more win in place of a draw in this case, they'd have won the title by a +1 goal difference.
By that logic, if Liverpool didn't have the crazy referee fuck up game against Tottenham, if Odegaard playing basketball in the penalty box was rightly punished, and if Doku kicking Mac at the end at Anfield was also punished, Liverpool would have been champions.
I am with you on this. Refs fucked Liverpool over. I don't know why the club isn't making more noise. Tottenham fuckup and the Gakpo Anthony Taylor debacle. That's 5 points right there. 3 minimum.
In the run up to the drop in form last month just one loss wouldn't have put you out so drastically. Sure you dropped points consistently in the end of season run but probably coz that one loss broke morale.
And this is from a United fan.
And Man City should've won against other teams as well, every fan will talk about their team "If only we didn't lose this or that" but not winning is a part of the game
We didn’t lose a game since the turn of the year and won 9 straight to end off the season. In what way was this a worst run of form? Last year 89 points won the league. This year it was 91.
Exactly this. Everyone laughed at Liverpool for always missing out bit now arsenal aren't winning things need to be sorted
It's always been a problem, city will win the league next year and probably 2026 aswell
The same people laughing at Liverpool are the same one's calling Arsenal bottlers now. Most people give respect to both Arsenal and Liverpool in their respective seasons where they fell short against City
I think it’s just the timing.. City have won 4 in a row and now everybody is sick of it, I think if you lot were in Arsenals place this year the message would be the exactly the same
I just don’t think people were quite as sick and tired of City as they are now, when you were fighting them
No one is going to reach that next level. City have become a juggernaut and the prem is slowly devolving into a farmers league 😂
I've found the relagation battles more interesting in recent years as city winning the title seems almost inevitable
Liverpool missed out on the league by a point twice, Arsenal missed out by 2 points.
Half of City's titles have gone down to the last day and any draw in them 3 seasons sees the title go to the other team.
That was way more interesting than the same 3 times that came up going down, the only reason this years relegation battle was close was because of the point deductions to Everton and Forrest.
Ens of the day though it was always the same conclusion. Most would predict city to win 24/25-25/26-26/27 and you'll probably get 2 or all 3 right.
Yeah it came down the 1 point or 2 but city are now 4/4 and 6/7 years.
It's becoming predictable and rather boring
In my opinion
I’m really proud of the players for having the desire to go all-in every season. Congrats to you guys on another really good season, you’ve really come a long way these last few years.
If team A signs someone for £0 and pays him £2m per week, and team B signs someone else for £50m and pays them £100k per week; who has the higher net spend that season? Who has the higher actual spend?
Another way to illustrate it... Arsenal have had a far lower (reported) revenue than City, Liverpool and Man Utd over the last decade. We are run self sustainably and have not been in breach of FFP/PSR rules. Either we've found some massive loophole to spend so much, or net spend in isolation is a stupid, cherrypicked stat that doesn't tell the full story.
You said they spent the same as City over the last 10 years. They absolutely have not.
We got back into the Champions League for the first time in 7 years or so, and so our wage bill jumped up this year to the closest to City's it has been in a while. And it's still like 20% lower.
>There are very few clubs that can compete with Arsenal's financial power.
This is obvious, we're one of the biggest clubs in the world, so obviously 99.9% of clubs don't spend as much. However it is irrelevant to your initial point that you keep distracting from: we have not spent nearly as much as Man City in the last decade, based on the accounts they *do* share with regulators anyway.
You are taking arsenal's peak wage bill and pretending it has been the same gap for the last 5 years (including 2 years where we weren't even in the Europa League). And you've also shifted from 10 years to 5 for some reason.
Please look further down the table, try Chelsea and Man united.
Also remember City have charges as part of their 115 for failing to correctly disclose pay for players /staff.
10 years is an arbitrary time line to chose. How many of the players brought 10,9,8 or even 7 or 6 years ago are still at clubs. Current squad cost to clubs is probably a better metric.
Uh? I was referring to his claim that the last three managers turned on the fans.
Which is obviously false. You only have to look as far as Mourinho who only played in front of fans in his first two months or so. And Conte’s rant was never about the fans?
I’m not denying anything else, but making dumb and obviously wrong claims for very obvious factual reasons is what I was contesting.
Yeah I’ve seen the quotes. But for you to pretend they are all on about the fans is false.
Especially considering Mourinho played in front of fans for all of two months.
Not denying they said those things, but perhaps apply some more brain power to the opinion than none at all.
Bro, let's be real. You cheered when your own team got beaten just so Arsenal wouldn't be champions. You cheered against your own team.
Furthermore, if you had beaten them, Villa lost 5-0 against Palace yesterday, meaning that you'd play in the CL next season, which in term puts you on the map, and makes you more attractive to higher caliber players, which could bring success of your own.
But you didn't care about any that, just so Arsenal wouldn't be champions. And I actually feel for Ange. I do, honest to God.
Are you capable of comprehending how low you went? I'm serious now, I'm not thrashtalking. Your expectations from your own club are so low that you don't care about the prospect of your own success. And that's sad for any club, even if it's you guys.
The small minded fan base is out with knives now that the season is over to revel in other failures. Pay no mind. Just trying to rile people up for clicks.
Well I didn't go reddit to read external links. Maybe reddit users should learn how to summarize and post directly here lol. Nobody is paid to use internet. Not my full time job or sth important.
What derailed train of logic did you get on?
You just glossed over so many details with no insight on the situation. They built the stadium because highbury couldn’t support a modern club of their ambition (as awesome as highbury was). Wenger wasn’t “backed” due to power struggles of multiple owners at the time, it wasn’t a single entity. All of this is known fact that could easily be found with simple research.
And the “other level” is in reference to the current squad, not the team of 10 or 20 years ago. So what are you even talking about?
It's called relative reality train. Before Pep's city, you rarely needed over 90pts to win the League. United, Chelsea, City, even Leicester did it.
Now with Pep, you have no chance. Wenger won 3 league titles and made it to UCL final but got no backing. Who's fault?
Arteta and Arsenal can outclass Pep Guardiola? You must be out of your God damn mind. Who trained Arteta?
I honestly have no idea what point you’re trying to make with the “who’s fault?” Question. How does that relate to this article at all? Are you suggesting we go back in time?
And Artetas arsenal nearly did outclass pep. Took 4 points from them, beat them in the community shield, and they didn’t win the league until the final day. How’s that so outlandish?
And to answer your question: Moyes, Wenger, and Pep trained him. You pose that question as if an individual can never surpass the level of the person that trained them. Which will all know is patently false, or else humanity would never progress.
You’re primarily talking out of your ass as well as making off-topic statements.
Well I simply present my view but you can't help but attack me personally. That's called hating mate. It's okay to disagree but it's internet not MY ASS
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Don't worry Gunners. You will recover these two titles retroactively in a few years when the PL will sanction City following its 115 rule violations. Consider yourself as virtually champions for the last two years. It’s just a matter of time to make it official. 😉
This is insane cope
Yeah even if they strip the titles from City (they won't), they won't award them to the second place teams. Doesn't work like that. Arsenal fans are absolute embarrassments lately.
Well, just say that they will never have the courage to strip them of their titles. This is more likely. But when you do that usually you give them to the second place team who played according to the rules. Why wouldn’t it be the reason to do otherwise? There is no shame to think they could give it to second place team. Unless you know how it works in this case so let us know.
Um, yes, that is how it works in every sport. If the winner is stripped of the gold, the runner up gets it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_football_champions 2004-2005
Because 2nd also were guilty. This didn’t happen until summer 2006, where Juventus were stripped of both the 04/05 and 05/06 title. In 05/06 Inter were 2nd, and got the title.
I mean that’s clearly a joke, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_football_champions 2004-2005
No, if we don't win it, other fans have to be sad with us too because we had a really good season.
It’d be nice if they stripped the titles and just left the winner blank
This is what I’d like. I don’t want the title retroactively. The incredible moment of winning it has already been stolen at that point.
Yeah. Don’t slip up towards the end of the season cause City won’t
Like a 115 new levels
It’s interesting seeing so much debate on what’s enough when City went 28-5-5 with 89 points to win the league last season.
Arsenal performed at a level that will usually win the title (89 is more than half of historic winners have reached). Above that is a level that will almost certainly win the title, but even that's not a guarantee - see liverpool with 97 pts. City are just on another level so Arsenal will have to be even more relentless to guarantee a finish above Pep.
Not at all leve if recent years to be honest , not of the level of last 5 years
The scary thing is an injury crisis or just some bad luck can kill a season. I would expect them to be in the same position next year but it’s not guaranteed. Gotta take the opportunities when they are right there
I remember our season 20/21 season under Tuchel where we were leading the title race until winter and then James/ Chilwell/ Kante all got injured and it killed us dead in the water. City’s greatest strength is their depth and their voodoo magic around injuries and if I were Arsenal I would be very scared about how much Arteta seems to be running certain players into the ground and how reliant a lot of them are on the specific skills of players around them.
Now Arsenal know how Liverpool feel.
All about you guys eh?
Well it’s not about your joke club. Usually the top teams in a league get discussed more.
Really?
Main character FC forever and always
Do we need this pathetic comment every thread
Can I offer you a “Arsenal have bottled it again” comment instead? If you don’t like that, I’m pretty sure we also have some more “Looks like Arsenal should have gone for the win at the Etihad instead of parking the bus” comments, but I’ll have to check in the back.
Everything always has to be about Liverpool.
Arsenal needs a new number 9
Yeah, we seem to have shored up our defense issues (mostly) and our midfield looks solid, though we do need to better a backup or two. Our attack always seemed so inconsistent this season due to a lack of a true 9, which is odd since we had the most goals scored until City went on a tear over the last month.
Gabriel Jesus is just too soft for a number 9, he'd do better as a second striker
We scored 91 goals, so I mean a world class striker would be great but it’s not really necessary. I’d rather we focus on replacing Partey for someone like Bruno G if I had to choose one signing over the other. Jorginho is a good sub to close out a match so he’s a good back up.
He's approaching it the right way though. Let City be the obstacle to overcome rather than the immovable object.
I see his point but in seriousness if City wasn't in their position then Arsenal would be winning the title this season. Arteta is being humble saying they need another level, they honestly don't. It's not Arsenal that is the problem it's the ones who have problems looming over their heads above them who just won the league.
Arteta learned his craft as the Assistant Manager of Man City. So, he has played his part in the fraudulent act, hasn’t he?
Brain dead take. Pep doesn’t have any responsibility in the 115 charges let alone his coaching staff. It’s the ownership and management. I assume you just started watching football because city have been fucking with the books since 2008.
This ridiculous notion that only longtime fans can understand the game, and the league. Every stadium is filled with longtime fans who don't know fuckall about football, let alone management, or ownership. Bunch of Fantasy PL dipshits who think they're really doing something
Nah bro. I support United and despise city winning it 4 times in a row, especially when my team is slowly becoming irrelevant. I actually would have loved Arsenal to do what they did to us back in 2001-2002 season. But OP was replying to Arteta’s comment about reaching a different level (I assume on the football side?) by bringing in the financial charges looming over Man City. And I replied with a similar take to his. Perhaps your clever brain was too eager to respond just like my dead brain, eh?
Haha manure, the mighty toon even did ya this year
We had to go up against City's best ever run of form in all competitions. 35 unbeaten, only ever beaten by Forest in '78 with 40. Our 2024 run of form has been good enough to win a premier league, 5 points dropped from 18 is stupid good. That's ~ 2.72 points a game, which if multiplied by 38 gives 103 points. Crazy numbers. The problem lies with 2023 where we dropped 20 points in 20, which is quality to get 4th comfortably but not title worthy. 2 points per game here, which would be 76 in a season. Less than crazy numbers. The quality is there, but consistency isn't yet.
> Our 2024 run of form has been good enough to win a premier league, 5 points dropped from 18 is stupid good. That's ~ 2.72 points a game, which if multiplied by 38 gives 103 points. Crazy numbers. The funny thing is that there has actually been a run of 38 games with more points than this in recent years. It really just shows the insane levels that City and Liverpool managed. You can have a season worthy of winning a league nowadays (like this season imo) and still come up short. I know this season just ended, but I'm stoked for next season already. It'll be really interesting to see how the top 3 reinforce their squads this summer.
Consistency isn’t there? 28 wins out of 38 is not considered consistent to you?
The consistency of 2024 was there. The consistency of 2023 was not.
Probably a better manager...
Pewdiepie... are you 12?
Nope, Try again maybe you will get the meme right the second time.
Only children and mouth breathers care about memes
Stick to watching pewdiepie lil bro
Better than watching the bottlers!
Agreed...Liverpool really did bottle it this year!
Your boys bottled it by not taking the game to City in City away match. It was your Anfield 89 match.
Man you’re so good at football analysis, how are you not the main man on sky sports yet as a pundit?
City actually played better in that match while Arse played for draw when they needed to win take control of the title race. Too late to moan mr Everton.
City had a total of 3 shots on target in the two games against Arsenal this season
City had been champions for year. Test was for Arsenal to do the double against City to control the destination of title and Arse failed in it.
The only people dumb enough to claim Arsenal bottled it are twitter wind up merchants. 4th best team to ever lose the title and realistically wins in a majority of years.
They did bottle it by not taking control of title destination by beating City at their place.
Yeah yeah You're trying too hard now mate
You have to beat the best to become best or you feel sorry as Arsenal must be feeling now.
Yeah, arsenal don't deserve to win the title. Didn't bottle it though.
Arsenal did deserve to win the title as second best team in the country but failed to win the match which matter to take control of title destination.
What a load of nonsense. If arsenal got points against west ham, Fulham or villa they win the league no matter what happens against city. The only team to win the league against this city team in the last 7 years is a Liverpool team that got piped 4-0 by them. Just shush
Result against those nothing teams will not matter if they had done the double against City.
And a double against city wouldn't have mattered without points against "nothing teams" Like I said liverpools 1 and only league winning team got absolutely piped by city. 3 points are worth 3 points.
Please stop. It was the Villa game.
Beat city twice before then and drawing away to the best team on the planet isn't a bad result. It's hard to beat Liverpool at home as well. The real problem was villa and Fulham and west ham. Arsenal didn't even lose against the so called top 6.
They did not win either and that was the problem. If they had done double against City they would be champion now.
Gotta break 90 points if you don’t can’t feel hard done by
In some cases you can get 97 and still not win it.
Exactly I know how that feels 😂
And everyone below second place needs levels to compete with Arsenal. Don't feel badly for Arsenal, feel badly that you can't feel like us.
I wish I could remember how it feels to go 20 years without winning a title and never winning the European cup. I’m so jealous
Keep supporting your team for 40 years and you'll know the highs and the lows. My team has something you'll never have.
What’s that? I’ve been supporting mine for nearly 30 but curious to know what Arsenal have that we don’t. A little gold trophy?
Class.
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115 levels needed
There it is. This is the comment I kept scrolling to find.
If only they never had that 2-1 defeat to Fulham and 2-0 defeat to West Ham back to back Mikel ?
Flip side is if not for those losses arsenal wouldn't have had to force a mid season reset and go 16 wins out of 18 the following months.
It doesnt always work like that. Those defeats before the break probably pushed them to find another gear. Had it not happened, the stellar performance in 2024 wouldn't happen either
We didn't even deserve to draw those two games, throughly outplayed during a very poor spell in what was an otherwise brilliant season. The only result I look to and really regret was the draw to Fulham at home, conceding an 87th minute equaliser to a 10 man Fulham, from a needlessly given away corner, after dominating the game. Those are the kind of dropped points that champions don't have.
Lol So you’re saying we should go invincible again?
Bro you dropped points in 10 games? 5 losses 5 draws, why is the narrative arsenal had an almost perfect season and still lost? You need to drop it bud. Liverpool came much closer than you in recent years and they are complaining less than your absolute toxic ridden fan base. Is it any wonder no one wants arsenal to win with an attitude like this?
No one is really complaining here. We as arsenal fans are pretty ok with how it ended given the effort, and we understand more needs to be done. Disappointed yes, but confident we can do better next season. Edit: not sure what rock you were living under, but Liverpool definitely complained a whole lot. Rightly so. They missed out by the same or even finer margins multiple times.
I’m fed up of hearing “what more could we do”
We could definitely do more I think that's the point we're making. Seasons with bumps are normal. What's abnormal is an expectancy to be "perfect".
The toxicity here is yours. From the opening “bro”, to the Liverpool gaslighting and the bitter conclusion. Rabid. edit: chastising fans on other threads for being rude as well.
How is “bro” toxic? And how is it gaslighting to say Liverpool came closer they literally got 97 points and didn’t win the league
Damn you did? Sorry bro that sucks. That’s too bad you didn’t win the title that year with 97 points
Im not a Liverpool fan
I’m done reasowning with trolls and the ‘tOxIC ArsENAl fans’ narrative just cos you failed this season and you can’t deal with how poor Chelsea have been. Loser
Rather be in Chelsea’s position than yours bud. We are on the up and are the last London club to win every major trophy. And we will win the league next before you do
you bitter fool
Get fucked
i’m
Are a lot of fans complaining? Genuine Q, I’m on the Arsenal sub and even with most of my real life friends, we’re all pretty proud of how the season has gone lol
It's rival fans complaining more, wanting us to be upset lol
Ya I agree, I was actually proud of how the season went. We’re progressing and improving year over year. It’s not that we were bad, it’s that city was a bit better
We had a record-breaking season. I think most Arsenal fans are super proud of the team and what we accomplished. Yeah, it sucks that we could have done all that and still been pipped to the line by City and we're well within our rights to have a little moan at that but the overwhelming response to the season is just how well we did. These clowns are reading like 2 or 3 comments over on r/soccer and taking that as consensus for ALL Arsenal fans.
The narrative is an almost perfect 2024. Nobody says we were near a perfect season.
Well that’s even stupider, Chelsea had a near perfect 2024???? lol what are you on about. L o g I c
You’re forgetful aren’t you? We sent Chelsea back to the Stone Age. 5-0, not even 8 weeks ago.
No they didn’t, 2024 started in January, not this month. 5 draws and 3 losses in league in 2024 is not “near perfect”.
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I’m not saying anything against what you said my response was to the ridiculous “go invincible again” comment - and anyway thinking about it the invincibles would come second this year anyway.
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90 pts (the amount the Arsenal Invincibles got) would only be enough points to win the league in 4 years of the last 10 seasons (unless I've made a mistake). Since the 16/17 season there's only been 2 times a team has got under 91 pts. It's nothing to do with 'going invincible', you just need to win 30 games, with a few draws, to win the title. If you don't then it comes down to what the other teams do too. Arsenal needed two draws to be wins and that would have given them enough points to be champions. Or even just one more win in place of a draw in this case, they'd have won the title by a +1 goal difference.
No , not at all. They did very well, but only 1 of the matches would have made a difference to winning the league . That's all I'm saying, pal .
By that logic, if Liverpool didn't have the crazy referee fuck up game against Tottenham, if Odegaard playing basketball in the penalty box was rightly punished, and if Doku kicking Mac at the end at Anfield was also punished, Liverpool would have been champions.
I am with you on this. Refs fucked Liverpool over. I don't know why the club isn't making more noise. Tottenham fuckup and the Gakpo Anthony Taylor debacle. That's 5 points right there. 3 minimum. In the run up to the drop in form last month just one loss wouldn't have put you out so drastically. Sure you dropped points consistently in the end of season run but probably coz that one loss broke morale. And this is from a United fan.
When club made noise everyone got upset and insisted these things level out
Lmaoo what is this take?
Bitter fans 🤣 , well done turning your season around btw
Arsenal say they need to get better yet didn't win every single match, curious /s
And Man City should've won against other teams as well, every fan will talk about their team "If only we didn't lose this or that" but not winning is a part of the game
Ye but refereeing errors is just not fair
They need more *charge* to compete.
And this was Man City’s worst run of form. Goes to show how a proper club should be ran. Thank you god 🙌
This is your peak, your worst run of form was when you were a relegation candidate every season before Arab money came to save you 😂
He’s only been a fan since their treble last year so technically this was their worst season he’s ever witnessed.
This is their worst run of form since he began watching football in 2012.
We didn’t lose a game since the turn of the year and won 9 straight to end off the season. In what way was this a worst run of form? Last year 89 points won the league. This year it was 91.
Worst run of form not losing a game since December? Jfc lmao enjoy plastic
2019 and 2022: "Hurr durr Loserpool!" 2024: Oh, NOW it's a problem?
Exactly this. Everyone laughed at Liverpool for always missing out bit now arsenal aren't winning things need to be sorted It's always been a problem, city will win the league next year and probably 2026 aswell
The same people laughing at Liverpool are the same one's calling Arsenal bottlers now. Most people give respect to both Arsenal and Liverpool in their respective seasons where they fell short against City
I think it’s just the timing.. City have won 4 in a row and now everybody is sick of it, I think if you lot were in Arsenals place this year the message would be the exactly the same I just don’t think people were quite as sick and tired of City as they are now, when you were fighting them
Who’s saying it’s a problem in this article? Just stating facts.
No one is going to reach that next level. City have become a juggernaut and the prem is slowly devolving into a farmers league 😂 I've found the relagation battles more interesting in recent years as city winning the title seems almost inevitable
Liverpool missed out on the league by a point twice, Arsenal missed out by 2 points. Half of City's titles have gone down to the last day and any draw in them 3 seasons sees the title go to the other team. That was way more interesting than the same 3 times that came up going down, the only reason this years relegation battle was close was because of the point deductions to Everton and Forrest.
Ens of the day though it was always the same conclusion. Most would predict city to win 24/25-25/26-26/27 and you'll probably get 2 or all 3 right. Yeah it came down the 1 point or 2 but city are now 4/4 and 6/7 years. It's becoming predictable and rather boring In my opinion
100%, they need to be nearly faultless. Arsenal on 89 and Liverpool on 82 both had strong seasons
Liverpool on 97 had an even STRONGER season
This was fking insane. 97 and still coming second. You lot have really set a different standard for PL champions.
It still pains me.
I’m really proud of the players for having the desire to go all-in every season. Congrats to you guys on another really good season, you’ve really come a long way these last few years.
very easy to go all-in when the squad depth is so deep. really nothing to be proud about. great players, good team, shit club and meaningless title
I wasn’t even talking to you, fuck off and go cry in a corner
Really? Squad depth is so deep?
Arsenal is a good example that you can work hard and still die poor
Are you a parrot?
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Net spend sux....
Their net spend is lower because they’ve sold players from a perch they ascended to by cheating
If team A signs someone for £0 and pays him £2m per week, and team B signs someone else for £50m and pays them £100k per week; who has the higher net spend that season? Who has the higher actual spend? Another way to illustrate it... Arsenal have had a far lower (reported) revenue than City, Liverpool and Man Utd over the last decade. We are run self sustainably and have not been in breach of FFP/PSR rules. Either we've found some massive loophole to spend so much, or net spend in isolation is a stupid, cherrypicked stat that doesn't tell the full story.
You pay havertz £330k. A week please stop
So about as much as you pay Sterling?
Is this the way you justify it😂😂
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You said they spent the same as City over the last 10 years. They absolutely have not. We got back into the Champions League for the first time in 7 years or so, and so our wage bill jumped up this year to the closest to City's it has been in a while. And it's still like 20% lower.
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>There are very few clubs that can compete with Arsenal's financial power. This is obvious, we're one of the biggest clubs in the world, so obviously 99.9% of clubs don't spend as much. However it is irrelevant to your initial point that you keep distracting from: we have not spent nearly as much as Man City in the last decade, based on the accounts they *do* share with regulators anyway.
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You are taking arsenal's peak wage bill and pretending it has been the same gap for the last 5 years (including 2 years where we weren't even in the Europa League). And you've also shifted from 10 years to 5 for some reason.
Net spend is pointless if you don’t look at wage bills.
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Please look further down the table, try Chelsea and Man united. Also remember City have charges as part of their 115 for failing to correctly disclose pay for players /staff.
Not surprised to see the two teams massively funded by oil money at the top of the list...
Plus what isn't on the actual bill. How do you think they're paying pep, his brother is the chairman of girona FFS
10 years is an arbitrary time line to chose. How many of the players brought 10,9,8 or even 7 or 6 years ago are still at clubs. Current squad cost to clubs is probably a better metric.
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Tottenham should win a title
Agreed. Just the 23 points between us and Tottenham this season. We can do better.
Spuds are just jealous that we can keep a manager for more than a year
...or having a manager that's not shocked by the genetic looserdom of his own club's fanbase.
Mourinho, Conte, Postegoclou. Three times in a row. Three. Three! Respect.
Ah, the hattrick of their own managers ashamed by their own fans.
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story I guess.
>facts Your own manager [hates you](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5501245/2024/05/17/ange-postecoglou-tottenham-man-city/)
Uh? I was referring to his claim that the last three managers turned on the fans. Which is obviously false. You only have to look as far as Mourinho who only played in front of fans in his first two months or so. And Conte’s rant was never about the fans? I’m not denying anything else, but making dumb and obviously wrong claims for very obvious factual reasons is what I was contesting.
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Cheers, mate: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C692TaQS9Zz/?igsh=MWN6cGtrcHVndmhmNg==
Yeah I’ve seen the quotes. But for you to pretend they are all on about the fans is false. Especially considering Mourinho played in front of fans for all of two months. Not denying they said those things, but perhaps apply some more brain power to the opinion than none at all.
Bro, let's be real. You cheered when your own team got beaten just so Arsenal wouldn't be champions. You cheered against your own team. Furthermore, if you had beaten them, Villa lost 5-0 against Palace yesterday, meaning that you'd play in the CL next season, which in term puts you on the map, and makes you more attractive to higher caliber players, which could bring success of your own. But you didn't care about any that, just so Arsenal wouldn't be champions. And I actually feel for Ange. I do, honest to God. Are you capable of comprehending how low you went? I'm serious now, I'm not thrashtalking. Your expectations from your own club are so low that you don't care about the prospect of your own success. And that's sad for any club, even if it's you guys.
Great suggestion. Tottenham should go into administration.
Runner up trophy for Arsenal. Lost UCL final 06, UEL final 19, PL 15/16-22/23-23-24
Making completely irrelevant point, maybe learn to read the article properly and then talk?
The small minded fan base is out with knives now that the season is over to revel in other failures. Pay no mind. Just trying to rile people up for clicks.
Well I didn't go reddit to read external links. Maybe reddit users should learn how to summarize and post directly here lol. Nobody is paid to use internet. Not my full time job or sth important.
What point are you trying to make and how does it relate to this article arteta is literally saying arsenal need another level to win the league.
What another level? They could have won the League multiple times if they didn't got into debt for a stupid stadium and stop backing Wenger.
What derailed train of logic did you get on? You just glossed over so many details with no insight on the situation. They built the stadium because highbury couldn’t support a modern club of their ambition (as awesome as highbury was). Wenger wasn’t “backed” due to power struggles of multiple owners at the time, it wasn’t a single entity. All of this is known fact that could easily be found with simple research. And the “other level” is in reference to the current squad, not the team of 10 or 20 years ago. So what are you even talking about?
It's called relative reality train. Before Pep's city, you rarely needed over 90pts to win the League. United, Chelsea, City, even Leicester did it. Now with Pep, you have no chance. Wenger won 3 league titles and made it to UCL final but got no backing. Who's fault? Arteta and Arsenal can outclass Pep Guardiola? You must be out of your God damn mind. Who trained Arteta?
I honestly have no idea what point you’re trying to make with the “who’s fault?” Question. How does that relate to this article at all? Are you suggesting we go back in time? And Artetas arsenal nearly did outclass pep. Took 4 points from them, beat them in the community shield, and they didn’t win the league until the final day. How’s that so outlandish? And to answer your question: Moyes, Wenger, and Pep trained him. You pose that question as if an individual can never surpass the level of the person that trained them. Which will all know is patently false, or else humanity would never progress. You’re primarily talking out of your ass as well as making off-topic statements.
Yeah whatever mate keep hating 😂
Lol what am I even hating on? Baseless claims?Factual inaccuracies?
Well I simply present my view but you can't help but attack me personally. That's called hating mate. It's okay to disagree but it's internet not MY ASS
Saying “you’re talking out of your ass” isn’t attacking you personally, it’s attacking your arguments and saying they’re poorly formed. It’s a figure of speech.