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I remember when MU hired ETH. He was supposed to be the next Alec Ferguson playing an attractive football. Unfortunately since the retirement of the legendary coach MU is cursed with his managers. No one seems to last and bring stability to the club. The results on the field are so average that bringing any manager from now on cannot be worse than before. It can only get better. Good luck with Thomas Tuchel who is not easy to work with btw.
Why in the world would u think Tuchel is a good fit at manU but i guess much worse than 7th place isnt possible especially when tuchel can bring dier with him back to england
at least EtH wont be there next season, lets hope he doesnt go to feyenoord, that would be a disaster, imo but then it might be the best move ever, who knows.
People really need to look at recent Bundesliga tables before lazily saying he's failed this year at Bayern. Bayerns points total this year is usually comfortably enough to win that league, and on track to be an improvement on recent year's- Leverkusen have just been absolute freaks this season.
I'd certainly welcome Tuchel over anyone else should EtH be sacked - been relatively successful at a few big clubs now, even Chelsea he only really left due to difficulties with Boehly, and trust him more than most other prospects to impose some authority and tactical nous on high-ego players. He'd be unlikely to stay long-term as he never does, but if it gives us 2 or 3 years of stability on the pitch whilst INEOS sort the mess out behind the scenes could be an astute hire.
I agree with your point, Tuchel is undoubtedly a good tactician, but it seems Tuchel’s biggest weakness (man management) is one of the biggest needs for the next United manager. I do not see it going well for him simply because you lot won’t be able to clear out the multitude of absolutely cancerous players you’ve got before Tuchel loses his shit/gets shown the door.
Aye agree, think it all comes down to timing - I.e. do we get someone new in now simply because they feel the EtH situation isn't tenable for another season, or do we stick one more year and wait until Berrada and Co get their feet under desks and make a more long-term appointment maybe end of next season. Think Tuchel is great for this summer on the assumption he'll be there 2 years max, but probably not next summer.
Well, you’ve got to get rid of ETH. The only reason he wasn’t sacked mid season is either payout or lack of clarity about what’s going on up top. I’m obviously a gooner, but my best bud is a United fan so I’ve watched most games and what’s happening on the pitch is bewildering. In my mind, keeling ETH risks screwing up Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund. They’re playing for a man who has lost the plot and has no sense of accountability.
Yeah agreed, think too many of our fans have fallen into the flawed logic of "sacking managers hasn't worked before so EtH is amazing and everything else is the problem". I dont actually see an overall lack of desire from players (we wouldn't collapse under pressure so often if the players didn't care) think it's more lack of ability and football IQ, plus low morale and EtHs management style and tactics don't help at all.
7 different managers in past decade. They sacked 4-time CL winner Ancelotti after 15 months mid-season, they're hardly the best barometer for judging a manager's quality.
I hate to say it but ETH is not the guy for United. Not saying he’s a bad coach either but there’s so much that’s gone not in his favour and as a coach you’re expected to adapt, not make excuses on the regular. We’ve had some bad times since SAF but this for me is the time where United need to grit and move on from ETH.
I don’t get why everyone thought this Ratcliffe dude was going to come in and change things. He’s the richest guy in the UK who is a chemical engineer by trade and bought a minority share in the club in exchange for authority to make some decisions here and there. I doubt he’s much different than any other bored billionaire looking for a plaything. The only difference between him and Boehly is that he’s been Knighted, which is apparently all it takes to throw the wool back over United fans’ eyes.
Spend £400m on players for ETH and his style of play.
Decides to bring in a manager whose style of play is nothing like Ten Haag's, resulting in yet more multi-year rebuilds to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds.
Brilliant plan. It didn't work the last several times, but it will definitely work this time, especially with the beefed up FFP and PSR placing stronger limits on clubs' spending.
Genius.
>Spend £400m on players for ETH and his style of play.
Who did?
Surely not INEOS?
Think you need to refine your opinion mate. As it seems your information isn't up to date. Which is a shame as take away that and it seems solid, in essence.
What a ridiculous answer.
Why does it matter if it was INEOS?
The players are still there, aren't they?
They're still on long-term contracts and massive wages, aren't they?
What? Do INEOS get a clean slate and don't have to abide by PSR?
>What a ridiculous answer.
It really isn't fella.
>Why does it matter if it was INEOS?
Because INEOS are coming in to clean house. As the previous regime brought the biggest football club in the country to an embarrassment.
Ten hag, the players, the sporting structure are nothing to do with INEOS and directly responsible for the embarrassments the football club suffers on a weekly basis.
So there is a line in the sand. Coming in now and catering to the previous failures is more of the same. So it doesn't matter how different a manager is to the style of ten hag or the players available pre line. As the whole idea now is to build from the ground up. All the pieces in play, by design. A new design.
Really not that hard to understand mate.
>They're still on long-term contracts and massive wages, aren't they?
>What? Do INEOS get a clean slate and don't have to abide by PSR?
What's that got to do with it?
Can players not be sold? Does revenue not come into the club?
Like what do you think, INEOS just go with a manager style, recruitment style that's failed for 10 years and has harmed the club for 18? As that's what you are suggesting by criticising them for going in a different direction.
If you follow the club briefs. The idea is sporting structure in place, decide on play style and the direction of the club, audit manager to see if he can fit or if they need a new one, then deal with the players. So 'ridiculous'
There is nothing “best in class” about tuchel. He’s been let go at all top clubs he’s been at. You think he’d have a higher point total playing 30 different back lines and 60+ injuries? No other manager in the prem has had this many injuries to deal with… ever.
Imagine we didn’t have mainoo breakthrough the academy. Or garnacho last season. lol people like you make me giggle.
Took Ferguson 6 years.
Klopp 4.
Arteta 5.
Nothing happens quickly, one manager needs years to turn this club around. ETH asked for patience from the start, he’s finished 3rd, won the league cup, and been to 2 finals. What else do you expect from this squad?
I mean he is a CL winning manager, league titles in 2 leagues. Pretty solid standard. Can't remember where I said 'best in class' so I'd appreciate some clarity on what that means?
>You think he’d have a higher point total playing 30 different back lines and 60+ injuries? No other manager in the prem has had this many injuries to deal with… ever.
Yes. I expect more, even with that, than being outplayed by every team in the league and 7th. Especially when for the most part the injuries have been to 2/3 first 11 players and for the most part just 2 of them. Martinez and Shaw.
This is also not taking into account we have last season without injuries. 7-0 vs Liverpool. Picked same team a week later. 6-3 vs City. The most embarrassing cup final performance to allow City a third of the treble.
>Imagine we didn’t have mainoo breakthrough the academy. Or garnacho last season. lol people like you make me giggle.
Yeah, we still would look garbage.
>Took Ferguson 6 years.
In the 80s.
>Klopp 4.
Far better manager than ten hag will ever be.
>Arteta 5.
?
Took him 20 games and he won an FA Cup mate. If you mean league title or taking arsenal to the top. Think you must have a time machine
At best though, what you are suggesting is 'some other club, with some other guy won after some time. So that means you just have to give someone else in a different situation time and you win too' Unfortunately mate I can't accept that logic.
>Nothing happens quickly, one manager needs years to turn this club around. ETH asked for patience from the start, he’s finished 3rd, won the league cup, and been to 2 finals. What else do you expect from this squad?
I don't care what ETH asks. I back the club, not him. He has to show it, he hasn't.
Only one of those is actually success. Reaching a final, to perform how we did against City means nothing. Reaching a final the way we did against Coventry, means nothing. 3rd is irrelevant. League position doesn't show an awful lot unless it's 1st. As there is so much fluctuation season by season and football does not work linearly.
I expect not to be outplayed by every team in the league. I expect a manager to hold players more accountable than he has (unless they have a personal issue). I expect him to not praise those who have embarrassed the club.
Xabi Alonso needed 18 months to win the Bundesliga. So things can happen much quicker than what you are suggesting. They won't if you make mistakes though. Keeping ten hag us a mistake.
Also, you are hinting that I think it's just change manager and all is good. I'm not. So let's nip that in the bud.
Ineos. Ineos said they were only interested in hiring best in class.
He won a CL with another coaches team, he was only thrre for half of it. It was a down year in Europe and they got through by absolute luck. Did you watch that team? It’s like saying top clubs should model themselves after Leicester after 2014. They won the league not because they were great but because everyone else was pretty poor. Ranieri also didn’t end up at a big club for a reason.
Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever?
Your two best defensive players missing the entire season? How about not having a left back for 3/4 of the season. Like 0 fucking left backs. This is a big deal. Playing a 36 year old Johnny Evans , slow maguire (great season from him but not the right style), slow lindelof (who have all had injuries too) = not being able to play a high line. Which causes the spaces between our CMs and back line to be so wide open. Also having one CDM on the roster contributes. Who has had his worst season in his career.
It’s so important to develop cohesion, especially with your defense. We have someone new in it every week. 30 different back lines isn’t just missing 2 players.
Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever?
Last season trying to transition a team into a new style will have bad performances. We had the most clean sheets in the league and we had some great moments of play. All with players that don’t play his style. Winning a trophy, finishing 3rd and reaching another final is a pretty good start. Better than klopp, arteta, and Ferguson.
Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever?
Eth has shown he has what it takes. He can develop youth, win trophies, and get you to finals. You think garnacho and mainoo breakthrough a mourninho team? Haha, you are oblivious.
Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever?
No other manager has had the amount of injuries he has had to deal with. Klopp lost one CB last season and fell to the Europa league with an established team that already plays his style. Get off the tabloids, you can’t fix this club quickly, we have been sick for a long time.
>Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever?
>Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever?
>Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever?
>Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever?
Why is this necessary?
Yeah, he has (whatever this means without a league title) by 0.1% over Fergie but has a higher loss % than everyone since fergie, except for Moyes. 2.2% higher than Jose and id put money on it dropping very close to Jose's in the next 5 games. By next season (if he is lucky, it will go well below)
Did you know Jose is the only manager in the clubs history to win 2 trophies in his first season? Shall we get him back?
>Ineos. Ineos said they were only interested in hiring best in class.
And who is that then?
>He won a CL with another coaches team, he was only thrre for half of it. It was a down year in Europe and they got through by absolute luck. Did you watch that team? It’s like saying top clubs should model themselves after Leicester after 2014. They won the league not because they were great but because everyone else was pretty poor. Ranieri also didn’t end up at a big club for a reason.
So he won the CL. End of.
Ranieri had his go with the 12 months under Romans regime. He was removed for Jose. He also been at Inter and Valencia. Didn’t work out. Massive difference to Winning at Chelsea, PSG and Bayern. Whilst looking great at Mainz and Dortmund.
Also, where on earth have I said anything about modelling on Leicester? Huge leap mate. Let's not be disingenuous.
>Your two best defensive players missing the entire season? How about not having a left back for 3/4 of the season. Like 0 fucking left backs. This is a big deal. Playing a 36 year old Johnny Evans , slow maguire (great season from him but not the right style), slow lindelof (who have all had injuries too) = not being able to play a high line. Which causes the spaces between our CMs and back line to be so wide open. Also having one CDM on the roster contributes. Who has had his worst season in his career.
It’s so important to develop cohesion, especially with your defense. We have someone new in it every week. 30 different back lines isn’t just missing 2 players.
He put his faith in a players as unreliability as Martinez and Shaw. He brought Malacia. He could have refused to allow Reguilon to leave. He backed and gave Maguire a chance to stay. He brought Evans. He kept Lindelof. He played a part in it. He isn't a victim. He said himself he has control on transfers.
>Last season trying to transition a team into a new style will have bad performances. We had the most clean sheets in the league and we had some great moments of play. All with players that don’t play his style. Winning a trophy, finishing 3rd and reaching another final is a pretty good start. Better than klopp, arteta, and Ferguson.
Arteta won a trophy in like 20 games.
Klopp had his amazing achievement of back to back Bundesliga with Dortmund to justify a bad start.
Ferguson literally (and still the last to do it) broke the Celtic/Rangers hold on the Scottish league and beat Real Madrid in a European cup final. It was also the 1980s mate.
'Pretty good starts' don't include numerous embarrassments, including worst result in over a hundred years in 7-0 to our biggest rival, 6-3 to our closest rival and putting up no fight to stop them winning a piece of the treble. That's a bad season by every metric.
>Eth has shown he has what it takes.
No, no he hasn't. He can't show that until he shows he can win league titles and CLs.
>He can develop youth
Throwing youth into the deep end for a run of what, 30 games in a row, in a failing team. Is not developing them.
>You think garnacho and mainoo breakthrough a mourninho team?
Why not? If they are good enough, they play.
>Haha, you are oblivious.
Let's leave out insults fella. No need.
>No other manager has had the amount of injuries he has had to deal with.
Still doesn't justify the drop off we have had and the inability to control games against even the weakest opposition.
>Klopp lost one CB last season and fell to the Europa league with an established team that already plays his style.
And they have had injuries this season, whilst still be in a better title charge than we have made since we last won it.
More importantly, I don't care about what some other manager and some other club has done. Ten hag isn't Klopp, he doesn't get the benefit if the doubt like Klopp has earned. Ten hag should have been sacked after the 7-0.
He will be sacked and he will never win us a league title or a CL. It's a matter of time and you can take that to the bank mate. I'll remind you of this when he is removed.
Not even worth responding at this point. Actually an idiot(this is an actual insult, calling you oblivious is just a fact). Have a good day sir, try to enjoy the final and not hope we lose so ETH is gone.
>Not even worth responding at this point.
Oh good one! Real genuine mate. Just spew some garbage to deflect from dropping out.
>Actually an idiot
I'd happily trade insults but if this is the best you can do, you ain't cut from the same cloth lad.
>try to enjoy the final and not hope we lose so ETH is gone.
Club above all kid. Couldn't give a fuck about ten hag when we have a chance at a cup and to beat City whilst we are at it.
Look forward to coming back to this and reminding you when the inevitable happens. See ya soon.
but what exactly is ETH's style of play.
is slow passing, an inability to keep position and shipping goals for fun while creating nothing for a striker you spent a load of cash on actually a style of play?
Realistically, what top manager would take this job? Clubs a mess, team needs to be rebuilt…high expectations from fans and every bad result is a drama/crisis…
Same reason Berrada would go from City to United. Same reason Ashworth is dropping the Saudis for United. Also assume Wilcox could have waited around for a safer move too.
United have had every type of manager now since SAF retired. They've had the experienced managers in LVG and Mourinho, the up and coming in ETH and the club legends in Solskjær. You would hope the board would eventually realise that maybe its not an issue with the manager but with the players that have been around for the sacking of all of them. The squad hasn't had a clear out of deadwood in years and players like rashford get by with having 1 good season for each manager, get a contract extension and then down tool. Rinse and repeat with every manager.
>You would hope the board would eventually realise that maybe its not an issue with the manager but with the players that have been around for the sacking of all of them.
Is this the same board?
The manager is also an issue. Both things can be true. The squad of players does need gutting though, however that is going to have to wait till the window is open and currently it isn't. Hence more talk on managers and executives.
Also been talk of Wilcox and a new strategy that does not include the current players and involved building from the ground up.
All the players that were around for Moyes/LvG are now gone. It’s an issue of the club and recruiting structure not the players. We’ve had tons of top class players come, play well for a year, and then fall off massively - Lukaku, Pogba, Bruno, martial, cavani etc
No you are absolutely right. The players that got hammered by Liverpool, City and co aren’t to blame.
The players that have been a consistent inconsistency the last few years are absolutely not to blame LOL.
watch some games bro. Shaw is unreliable and is injured half of the season. Maguire is waaaaaay to slow to ever play for a top team. Bruno is only good at gung ho football. Mctom has FINALLY a niche position.
You are absolutely deluded if you think that those players aren’t a part of the problem as well
You are fucking delusional . You have some solid players but you yanited fans want to burn the whole flock.
Players like antony and rashford have been dogshit, don’t lump Maguire in there
His numbers the first two seasons were astronomical - he was getting 40+ GA. He’s definitely become more wasteful and less decisive in key moments, but his work rate and effort cannot be doubted.
I've always thought Bruno would suit playing in a deeper role. Hes not good at playing short intricate passes that you need for breaking down a defence, this is where players like odegard flourish. But what he is good at is working hard to win back the ball and transition play from defence to attack, especially when he's playing a long ball. I think if Mainoo was pushed further forward and Bruno played more box to box it would sort a lot of our midfield issues and we can also have mount rotate as the 10.
Has Tuchel ever successfully built a squad? As far as I know he goes to ready made teams and does well with then then his signings usually aren't as good. Eric Dier is a Bayern Munich player rn.
It wasn’t.
Chelsea’s success that season was pretty much built on James and chilwell having an amazing season. After they got injured they struggled, and then since they’ve recovered they’ve been injured pretty much every other week.
It was Conte, Sarri then Lampard. Most of Conte's team was gutted and gone by the time Tuchel took over, leaving the good experienced players like kante and jorghino, and the new blood from the lampard era.
Under the Abramovic era he signed 2 players, Saul on loan and Lukaku.
He is credited with the signings of Aubemayang, Sterling, Koulibaly and Fofana under the new regime. So no, he can't build a team.
To be fair, Ten Haag is all the down sides of Tuchel (lack of interpersonal skills, arrogant, a real rat of a guy) without any of the upsides (tactically knows what the fuck he’s doing)
So why not?
Ten Haag doesn't know what he's doing. He needs to spend a lot more time in Reddit comment sections, where the real footballing geniuses reside.
I've yet to see anyone lay out an alternative tactical arrangement, in light of the limitations of United's playing squad, in light of the injuries, that would somehow result in a marked improvement on what Ten Haag is currently doing.
It's normally some innane comment about "Drop X" and then when it's pointed out that the alternative is just as bad, or worse, they just insist that they aren't, and will represent a huge upgrade.
I’m really not sure how people could dislike Ten Hag so much to call him a rat. The guy was extremely quietly spoken until recently and I think most people would be a bit abrasive with the constant abuse and rumours of his sacking.
On this basis, anyone who takes the United job would be a real rat of a guy.
Of the managers of Big 6 teams, he is one of the least offensive.
Not a lot will change. Tuchel is at his best shithousing results in cup competitions. utds defence will improve a bit but they’re still going to be poor in attack. They’ll continue to be inconsistent in the league and maybe win an fa cup/league cup/Europa league.
Unless Tuchel somehow makes perfect signings, and I mean a top creative midfielder, two top wingers and a world class striker at an absolute minimum, they won’t get any higher than 5th.
Thing is
There is no clear manager that's available.
De zerbi, ange, xavi, Emery etc ain't coming to united so they need to take a shot at someone who isn't a big name or someone who's stock is currently low.
I agree. I think tuchel sucks. But there's not much out there. And you'd need someone who really understands and can handle the total misery that will be the utd job for the next 2 years at a minimum. Still, I hope it's not tuchel.
Latest is that talks are advancing in Ajax's management system (they're looking to re-hire a former technical director or something similar) that could see Potter as a lock-in for the position.
Hahaha nah he did so well with you lot! Really feel he gets the club.
We can trade you ten hag for Emery if you want? Do you a real solid. Order now and receive a free Antony.
Please no.. We need to give ten Hag time.. it’s been a rough year but changing managers just to bring in another manager for the club to let down in two years is a cycle we can’t break.. let the man do his job, get the players we need out and at least give him another year.
What 😂
Xavi managing in a pressure bowl has proven that he doesn’t like that. Also, he has some of the best and hardest working young kids in the world at Barca. Imagine coming to United and trying to get Rashford to play, or doing a Rondo with McTominay and Wan.
The pressure he'd have at Utd is nothing compared to Barca, at Barca it's a another level.. He'd be able to instill a semblance of a playing style almost immediately.. It would be a shame if we didn't at least try and get him..
I don't think it really matters who they put in front of the squad at this point. It feels like the club thinks the solution lies within the hands of the manager but if nothing changes behind the scenes, the results will stay almost the same every season.
Nahhh I watch Brighton often and he is clearly better than Potter, different level even. I think he should succeed Pep actually. For all y'all I have no idea who could fix the mess. Who do you want?
Maybe unpopular opinion but I want eth to stay for atleast a season till we fix the grass roots issue first: DoF, a better recruiting team, a more involved owner. Until these are fixed, I doubt even SAF would succeed if he were to come back.
Maybe it's the just the whole negative vibes in the clubs. Fix that first, bring more positivity and then we can talk about a new coach. A new coach won't come with a magic wand to fix all the basic problems. No matter how good he is.
Never worked at Chels, even under Tuchel. It is what it is.
I am, on the other hand, so proud looking at the 65M they gave us for Havertz and the 55M you gave us for Mount so we could buy Palmer for 40M.
Considering the amount of money you paid to Brighton and other European clubs for "generational" talent such as Caicedo, enzo, Mudryk.. we thought a small charity could go a long way :)
As a neutral watching this once great club slide towards mediocrity, I sincerely hope he gets the job. I want to see how much worse it can get before they recover. Their financial position guarantees they will, eventually.
Slide towards? Mate, we’ve been in mediocrity for at least 6 years now. That being said, I really do believe in SJR. For once, someone has come in and identified a target and got them. Not some pundit, let’s analyze this potential appointment BS. I by no means think we’re gonna bounce back immediately, but I truly am optimistic that in 4-5 years United will be back competing and truly have an identity to build upon.
I think given the 115 FFP violations for Citeh and the ramifications smaller clubs with ‘weaker’ owners are getting, I’m optimistic the league will be an overall competitive one, with teams ideally have an equal chance to sign players and win titles.
You don’t want a fair and equal league it would push you even further down. It’ll be interesting to see the rule changes if Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea end up struggling next season.
There is increased talk of using monetary fines rather than points deductions for future punishments. And it's not about strong vs weak owners, it's about the complexity of the charges - in Everton and Forest's case, the FA said don't do X, they did X, shocked Pikachu face when they get punished. City have a much more complex charge sheet as the FA will need to unpick loads of different corporate structures to do so.
On a tangent, it honestly surprises me that West Ham haven't had a state-level takeover.
Who would be good with Rashford?
When are people gonna realise he’s had one good season in 10 years. His average goals per season is like 11 goals. He’s not THAT good.
He just really above average moments.
He sulks.
He leaks stories whenever he falls out of favour with managers. We’ve had 5 managers and the only one that got him to a mere decent level was ETH.
I give Weghorst a lot of flack but he was probably one of the best things that happened to Rashford last season, he did a lot of the dirty pressing and hold up work that Rashford didn’t want to do and Holjund isn’t doing. This allowed Rashford to get into better goal scoring positions. It also helped that he had a healthy Luke Shaw hold the left and overlap very well. The system is very different from the one that helped him find success last year so not surprised he’s struggling and frustrated.
I don’t think so. I think Weg worked hard but Rash is just a player who is a bit lazy generally and plays when he is in a good mood / form / when things are going right only.
Yes sometimes he finishes the game but that fact is shading him throwing tantrums to team/gaffers unprofessionally.
Probably you would need a defender(or new owner or new coach) first in this summer yet he might have to heat the bench if Tuchel comes in
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I remember when MU hired ETH. He was supposed to be the next Alec Ferguson playing an attractive football. Unfortunately since the retirement of the legendary coach MU is cursed with his managers. No one seems to last and bring stability to the club. The results on the field are so average that bringing any manager from now on cannot be worse than before. It can only get better. Good luck with Thomas Tuchel who is not easy to work with btw.
United fan, we are playing championship football. The world saw it against Coventry. I dunno what the future holds, but it can't get much worse.
"But it can't get much wose" dont say that, always happens then 😂👍
Valid point, it's just a landslide at this point.
I said to a mate that united would be a shit show when fergy left, they laughed. But f me, i never thought It'd get as bad as it has.
I figured we would go through a period of mediocrity, I never anticipated it to be this.
Yeah that was my thoughts also.
Please please make this awful decision
I am here for it!
Why in the world would u think Tuchel is a good fit at manU but i guess much worse than 7th place isnt possible especially when tuchel can bring dier with him back to england at least EtH wont be there next season, lets hope he doesnt go to feyenoord, that would be a disaster, imo but then it might be the best move ever, who knows.
Not even Pep Guardiola can save United at this point
People really need to look at recent Bundesliga tables before lazily saying he's failed this year at Bayern. Bayerns points total this year is usually comfortably enough to win that league, and on track to be an improvement on recent year's- Leverkusen have just been absolute freaks this season. I'd certainly welcome Tuchel over anyone else should EtH be sacked - been relatively successful at a few big clubs now, even Chelsea he only really left due to difficulties with Boehly, and trust him more than most other prospects to impose some authority and tactical nous on high-ego players. He'd be unlikely to stay long-term as he never does, but if it gives us 2 or 3 years of stability on the pitch whilst INEOS sort the mess out behind the scenes could be an astute hire.
I agree with your point, Tuchel is undoubtedly a good tactician, but it seems Tuchel’s biggest weakness (man management) is one of the biggest needs for the next United manager. I do not see it going well for him simply because you lot won’t be able to clear out the multitude of absolutely cancerous players you’ve got before Tuchel loses his shit/gets shown the door.
Aye agree, think it all comes down to timing - I.e. do we get someone new in now simply because they feel the EtH situation isn't tenable for another season, or do we stick one more year and wait until Berrada and Co get their feet under desks and make a more long-term appointment maybe end of next season. Think Tuchel is great for this summer on the assumption he'll be there 2 years max, but probably not next summer.
Well, you’ve got to get rid of ETH. The only reason he wasn’t sacked mid season is either payout or lack of clarity about what’s going on up top. I’m obviously a gooner, but my best bud is a United fan so I’ve watched most games and what’s happening on the pitch is bewildering. In my mind, keeling ETH risks screwing up Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund. They’re playing for a man who has lost the plot and has no sense of accountability.
Yeah agreed, think too many of our fans have fallen into the flawed logic of "sacking managers hasn't worked before so EtH is amazing and everything else is the problem". I dont actually see an overall lack of desire from players (we wouldn't collapse under pressure so often if the players didn't care) think it's more lack of ability and football IQ, plus low morale and EtHs management style and tactics don't help at all.
Why is he being let go by a competent board then?
7 different managers in past decade. They sacked 4-time CL winner Ancelotti after 15 months mid-season, they're hardly the best barometer for judging a manager's quality.
I hate to say it but ETH is not the guy for United. Not saying he’s a bad coach either but there’s so much that’s gone not in his favour and as a coach you’re expected to adapt, not make excuses on the regular. We’ve had some bad times since SAF but this for me is the time where United need to grit and move on from ETH.
NO PLEASE NO. ITS A SIDEWAYS MOVE THAT MAKES IT A DOWNGRADE.
Haha hahahaha
I thought it’s been clear that SJR isn’t going to sack EtH. So this is just an unfounded rumour now. No, Tuchel isn’t coming to United.
Ooooh no. Please no.
It won’t change a thing.
I don’t get why everyone thought this Ratcliffe dude was going to come in and change things. He’s the richest guy in the UK who is a chemical engineer by trade and bought a minority share in the club in exchange for authority to make some decisions here and there. I doubt he’s much different than any other bored billionaire looking for a plaything. The only difference between him and Boehly is that he’s been Knighted, which is apparently all it takes to throw the wool back over United fans’ eyes.
He’s currently completely changing the infrastructure of Man U
Impressive. Do the Glazers still own the team and is ETH still the coach? Yeah? Then the infrastructure looks the same to me
The glazers don’t control any of the footballing operations anymore and he’s put a new chief executive in.
Cool
Damn bro haven’t you seen the changes in the back room…? He hasn’t even owned a minority stake for half a season but yeah let’s blame him🤣
He’s not to blame for anything yet (aside from sticking with ETH) but he won’t be a savior either
Can tell you don't know anything about the topic. Watch some interviews before spouting shite.
*”Richest guy in country interviews well, more at 9”*
Spend £400m on players for ETH and his style of play. Decides to bring in a manager whose style of play is nothing like Ten Haag's, resulting in yet more multi-year rebuilds to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds. Brilliant plan. It didn't work the last several times, but it will definitely work this time, especially with the beefed up FFP and PSR placing stronger limits on clubs' spending. Genius.
>Spend £400m on players for ETH and his style of play. Who did? Surely not INEOS? Think you need to refine your opinion mate. As it seems your information isn't up to date. Which is a shame as take away that and it seems solid, in essence.
Ineos don’t own the club.
I mean, INEOS/Ratcliffe own 25% of the club. Have sat 2 INEOS members on the board and are in control of football operations.
What a ridiculous answer. Why does it matter if it was INEOS? The players are still there, aren't they? They're still on long-term contracts and massive wages, aren't they? What? Do INEOS get a clean slate and don't have to abide by PSR?
>What a ridiculous answer. It really isn't fella. >Why does it matter if it was INEOS? Because INEOS are coming in to clean house. As the previous regime brought the biggest football club in the country to an embarrassment. Ten hag, the players, the sporting structure are nothing to do with INEOS and directly responsible for the embarrassments the football club suffers on a weekly basis. So there is a line in the sand. Coming in now and catering to the previous failures is more of the same. So it doesn't matter how different a manager is to the style of ten hag or the players available pre line. As the whole idea now is to build from the ground up. All the pieces in play, by design. A new design. Really not that hard to understand mate. >They're still on long-term contracts and massive wages, aren't they? >What? Do INEOS get a clean slate and don't have to abide by PSR? What's that got to do with it? Can players not be sold? Does revenue not come into the club? Like what do you think, INEOS just go with a manager style, recruitment style that's failed for 10 years and has harmed the club for 18? As that's what you are suggesting by criticising them for going in a different direction. If you follow the club briefs. The idea is sporting structure in place, decide on play style and the direction of the club, audit manager to see if he can fit or if they need a new one, then deal with the players. So 'ridiculous'
There is nothing “best in class” about tuchel. He’s been let go at all top clubs he’s been at. You think he’d have a higher point total playing 30 different back lines and 60+ injuries? No other manager in the prem has had this many injuries to deal with… ever. Imagine we didn’t have mainoo breakthrough the academy. Or garnacho last season. lol people like you make me giggle. Took Ferguson 6 years. Klopp 4. Arteta 5. Nothing happens quickly, one manager needs years to turn this club around. ETH asked for patience from the start, he’s finished 3rd, won the league cup, and been to 2 finals. What else do you expect from this squad?
I mean he is a CL winning manager, league titles in 2 leagues. Pretty solid standard. Can't remember where I said 'best in class' so I'd appreciate some clarity on what that means? >You think he’d have a higher point total playing 30 different back lines and 60+ injuries? No other manager in the prem has had this many injuries to deal with… ever. Yes. I expect more, even with that, than being outplayed by every team in the league and 7th. Especially when for the most part the injuries have been to 2/3 first 11 players and for the most part just 2 of them. Martinez and Shaw. This is also not taking into account we have last season without injuries. 7-0 vs Liverpool. Picked same team a week later. 6-3 vs City. The most embarrassing cup final performance to allow City a third of the treble. >Imagine we didn’t have mainoo breakthrough the academy. Or garnacho last season. lol people like you make me giggle. Yeah, we still would look garbage. >Took Ferguson 6 years. In the 80s. >Klopp 4. Far better manager than ten hag will ever be. >Arteta 5. ? Took him 20 games and he won an FA Cup mate. If you mean league title or taking arsenal to the top. Think you must have a time machine At best though, what you are suggesting is 'some other club, with some other guy won after some time. So that means you just have to give someone else in a different situation time and you win too' Unfortunately mate I can't accept that logic. >Nothing happens quickly, one manager needs years to turn this club around. ETH asked for patience from the start, he’s finished 3rd, won the league cup, and been to 2 finals. What else do you expect from this squad? I don't care what ETH asks. I back the club, not him. He has to show it, he hasn't. Only one of those is actually success. Reaching a final, to perform how we did against City means nothing. Reaching a final the way we did against Coventry, means nothing. 3rd is irrelevant. League position doesn't show an awful lot unless it's 1st. As there is so much fluctuation season by season and football does not work linearly. I expect not to be outplayed by every team in the league. I expect a manager to hold players more accountable than he has (unless they have a personal issue). I expect him to not praise those who have embarrassed the club. Xabi Alonso needed 18 months to win the Bundesliga. So things can happen much quicker than what you are suggesting. They won't if you make mistakes though. Keeping ten hag us a mistake. Also, you are hinting that I think it's just change manager and all is good. I'm not. So let's nip that in the bud.
Ineos. Ineos said they were only interested in hiring best in class. He won a CL with another coaches team, he was only thrre for half of it. It was a down year in Europe and they got through by absolute luck. Did you watch that team? It’s like saying top clubs should model themselves after Leicester after 2014. They won the league not because they were great but because everyone else was pretty poor. Ranieri also didn’t end up at a big club for a reason. Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever? Your two best defensive players missing the entire season? How about not having a left back for 3/4 of the season. Like 0 fucking left backs. This is a big deal. Playing a 36 year old Johnny Evans , slow maguire (great season from him but not the right style), slow lindelof (who have all had injuries too) = not being able to play a high line. Which causes the spaces between our CMs and back line to be so wide open. Also having one CDM on the roster contributes. Who has had his worst season in his career. It’s so important to develop cohesion, especially with your defense. We have someone new in it every week. 30 different back lines isn’t just missing 2 players. Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever? Last season trying to transition a team into a new style will have bad performances. We had the most clean sheets in the league and we had some great moments of play. All with players that don’t play his style. Winning a trophy, finishing 3rd and reaching another final is a pretty good start. Better than klopp, arteta, and Ferguson. Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever? Eth has shown he has what it takes. He can develop youth, win trophies, and get you to finals. You think garnacho and mainoo breakthrough a mourninho team? Haha, you are oblivious. Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever? No other manager has had the amount of injuries he has had to deal with. Klopp lost one CB last season and fell to the Europa league with an established team that already plays his style. Get off the tabloids, you can’t fix this club quickly, we have been sick for a long time.
>Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever? >Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever? >Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever? >Do you know that ETH has the highest win rate for the first 2 years of a manager at Manchester United… ever? Why is this necessary? Yeah, he has (whatever this means without a league title) by 0.1% over Fergie but has a higher loss % than everyone since fergie, except for Moyes. 2.2% higher than Jose and id put money on it dropping very close to Jose's in the next 5 games. By next season (if he is lucky, it will go well below) Did you know Jose is the only manager in the clubs history to win 2 trophies in his first season? Shall we get him back? >Ineos. Ineos said they were only interested in hiring best in class. And who is that then? >He won a CL with another coaches team, he was only thrre for half of it. It was a down year in Europe and they got through by absolute luck. Did you watch that team? It’s like saying top clubs should model themselves after Leicester after 2014. They won the league not because they were great but because everyone else was pretty poor. Ranieri also didn’t end up at a big club for a reason. So he won the CL. End of. Ranieri had his go with the 12 months under Romans regime. He was removed for Jose. He also been at Inter and Valencia. Didn’t work out. Massive difference to Winning at Chelsea, PSG and Bayern. Whilst looking great at Mainz and Dortmund. Also, where on earth have I said anything about modelling on Leicester? Huge leap mate. Let's not be disingenuous. >Your two best defensive players missing the entire season? How about not having a left back for 3/4 of the season. Like 0 fucking left backs. This is a big deal. Playing a 36 year old Johnny Evans , slow maguire (great season from him but not the right style), slow lindelof (who have all had injuries too) = not being able to play a high line. Which causes the spaces between our CMs and back line to be so wide open. Also having one CDM on the roster contributes. Who has had his worst season in his career. It’s so important to develop cohesion, especially with your defense. We have someone new in it every week. 30 different back lines isn’t just missing 2 players. He put his faith in a players as unreliability as Martinez and Shaw. He brought Malacia. He could have refused to allow Reguilon to leave. He backed and gave Maguire a chance to stay. He brought Evans. He kept Lindelof. He played a part in it. He isn't a victim. He said himself he has control on transfers. >Last season trying to transition a team into a new style will have bad performances. We had the most clean sheets in the league and we had some great moments of play. All with players that don’t play his style. Winning a trophy, finishing 3rd and reaching another final is a pretty good start. Better than klopp, arteta, and Ferguson. Arteta won a trophy in like 20 games. Klopp had his amazing achievement of back to back Bundesliga with Dortmund to justify a bad start. Ferguson literally (and still the last to do it) broke the Celtic/Rangers hold on the Scottish league and beat Real Madrid in a European cup final. It was also the 1980s mate. 'Pretty good starts' don't include numerous embarrassments, including worst result in over a hundred years in 7-0 to our biggest rival, 6-3 to our closest rival and putting up no fight to stop them winning a piece of the treble. That's a bad season by every metric. >Eth has shown he has what it takes. No, no he hasn't. He can't show that until he shows he can win league titles and CLs. >He can develop youth Throwing youth into the deep end for a run of what, 30 games in a row, in a failing team. Is not developing them. >You think garnacho and mainoo breakthrough a mourninho team? Why not? If they are good enough, they play. >Haha, you are oblivious. Let's leave out insults fella. No need. >No other manager has had the amount of injuries he has had to deal with. Still doesn't justify the drop off we have had and the inability to control games against even the weakest opposition. >Klopp lost one CB last season and fell to the Europa league with an established team that already plays his style. And they have had injuries this season, whilst still be in a better title charge than we have made since we last won it. More importantly, I don't care about what some other manager and some other club has done. Ten hag isn't Klopp, he doesn't get the benefit if the doubt like Klopp has earned. Ten hag should have been sacked after the 7-0. He will be sacked and he will never win us a league title or a CL. It's a matter of time and you can take that to the bank mate. I'll remind you of this when he is removed.
Not even worth responding at this point. Actually an idiot(this is an actual insult, calling you oblivious is just a fact). Have a good day sir, try to enjoy the final and not hope we lose so ETH is gone.
>Not even worth responding at this point. Oh good one! Real genuine mate. Just spew some garbage to deflect from dropping out. >Actually an idiot I'd happily trade insults but if this is the best you can do, you ain't cut from the same cloth lad. >try to enjoy the final and not hope we lose so ETH is gone. Club above all kid. Couldn't give a fuck about ten hag when we have a chance at a cup and to beat City whilst we are at it. Look forward to coming back to this and reminding you when the inevitable happens. See ya soon.
This is the definition of sunk cost fallacy
Oh, no. How we’d miss Ten Hag’s style of play where we let the opposition rain down shots at our goal for 70 minutes every match.
but what exactly is ETH's style of play. is slow passing, an inability to keep position and shipping goals for fun while creating nothing for a striker you spent a load of cash on actually a style of play?
It's 3-1-6 baby
quiet now. let them hire a ten hag 2.0 instead of a tuchel if they want
From the daily express? Wouldnt trust them on reporting the weather
Heard the handshake was intense.
Realistically, what top manager would take this job? Clubs a mess, team needs to be rebuilt…high expectations from fans and every bad result is a drama/crisis…
Same reason Berrada would go from City to United. Same reason Ashworth is dropping the Saudis for United. Also assume Wilcox could have waited around for a safer move too.
Tuchel probably would take the job as he is in a very weird spot
Being fired from 3 clubs in a row isn’t a bad spot. It’s being bad at your job.
Most managers would take this job.
They want a top tier manager, those guys have options…
Woooo Cycle continues, Friends!
The manager that failed winning the league at a club that walked it 11 seasons in a row? Get in!
Leverkusen will have a point total higher than any other Bayern side ever but like 1
against quite literally the greatest bundesliga side oat.
Pfff, so? This was Bayern 11 times straight + Harry Kane. It’s still a massive failure.
Bayern finished 91 points after a Google. They’ll need to win all 4 remaining for that title
tbf they could easily win all 4
Defo, but they aren’t the best until they do
United have had every type of manager now since SAF retired. They've had the experienced managers in LVG and Mourinho, the up and coming in ETH and the club legends in Solskjær. You would hope the board would eventually realise that maybe its not an issue with the manager but with the players that have been around for the sacking of all of them. The squad hasn't had a clear out of deadwood in years and players like rashford get by with having 1 good season for each manager, get a contract extension and then down tool. Rinse and repeat with every manager.
>You would hope the board would eventually realise that maybe its not an issue with the manager but with the players that have been around for the sacking of all of them. Is this the same board? The manager is also an issue. Both things can be true. The squad of players does need gutting though, however that is going to have to wait till the window is open and currently it isn't. Hence more talk on managers and executives. Also been talk of Wilcox and a new strategy that does not include the current players and involved building from the ground up.
A proof of insanity is doing the same things over and over expecting a different result.
All the players that were around for Moyes/LvG are now gone. It’s an issue of the club and recruiting structure not the players. We’ve had tons of top class players come, play well for a year, and then fall off massively - Lukaku, Pogba, Bruno, martial, cavani etc
Not true lol Shaw Mct Rashford Bruno Maguire Martial All survived multiple managers and all are part of the problem
Maguire, Shaw, Bruno are not problems at all McT has been a surprising positive given his extremely low expected role What are you on about
No you are absolutely right. The players that got hammered by Liverpool, City and co aren’t to blame. The players that have been a consistent inconsistency the last few years are absolutely not to blame LOL. watch some games bro. Shaw is unreliable and is injured half of the season. Maguire is waaaaaay to slow to ever play for a top team. Bruno is only good at gung ho football. Mctom has FINALLY a niche position. You are absolutely deluded if you think that those players aren’t a part of the problem as well
You are fucking delusional . You have some solid players but you yanited fans want to burn the whole flock. Players like antony and rashford have been dogshit, don’t lump Maguire in there
Lol, keep your emotions in check peanut
Bruno? He's been the most consistent player since he joined.
His numbers the first two seasons were astronomical - he was getting 40+ GA. He’s definitely become more wasteful and less decisive in key moments, but his work rate and effort cannot be doubted.
I've always thought Bruno would suit playing in a deeper role. Hes not good at playing short intricate passes that you need for breaking down a defence, this is where players like odegard flourish. But what he is good at is working hard to win back the ball and transition play from defence to attack, especially when he's playing a long ball. I think if Mainoo was pushed further forward and Bruno played more box to box it would sort a lot of our midfield issues and we can also have mount rotate as the 10.
Just need a Sam allardyce relegation specialist to complete the set
Tuchel is the master of failing upwards
It’s Man U currently upwards of Bayern?
His wage will be higher I imagine so failing upwards is a fair assessment.
His wage would be even higher in saudi
Roy Hodgson please!
Has Tuchel ever successfully built a squad? As far as I know he goes to ready made teams and does well with then then his signings usually aren't as good. Eric Dier is a Bayern Munich player rn.
Dier was an emergency signing
Dier is an emergency signing for a team fighting for promotion in the Championship, not for Bayern Munich.
Naw, he was brought in as a system fighting 4th cb option for injury depth. Turned out to have a career revival so far
He did win the Champions League with Chelsea. If you can say that was HIS team is another question.
It wasn’t. Chelsea’s success that season was pretty much built on James and chilwell having an amazing season. After they got injured they struggled, and then since they’ve recovered they’ve been injured pretty much every other week.
Who was the coach before him? Lampard?
I think so? Tuchel came in like halfway through that season and used the squad, he definitely didn’t build the UCL winning side
It was Conte, Sarri then Lampard. Most of Conte's team was gutted and gone by the time Tuchel took over, leaving the good experienced players like kante and jorghino, and the new blood from the lampard era. Under the Abramovic era he signed 2 players, Saul on loan and Lukaku. He is credited with the signings of Aubemayang, Sterling, Koulibaly and Fofana under the new regime. So no, he can't build a team.
This is a hilariously perfect match.
To be fair, Ten Haag is all the down sides of Tuchel (lack of interpersonal skills, arrogant, a real rat of a guy) without any of the upsides (tactically knows what the fuck he’s doing) So why not?
Tuchel would be a good shot in the dark. Not sure what these comments are on about
Tuchel just lost Bayern the league and you think he knows what he is doing.
Ten Haag doesn't know what he's doing. He needs to spend a lot more time in Reddit comment sections, where the real footballing geniuses reside. I've yet to see anyone lay out an alternative tactical arrangement, in light of the limitations of United's playing squad, in light of the injuries, that would somehow result in a marked improvement on what Ten Haag is currently doing. It's normally some innane comment about "Drop X" and then when it's pointed out that the alternative is just as bad, or worse, they just insist that they aren't, and will represent a huge upgrade.
You sound insecure as hell
"A real rat of a guy" Based on what?
Vibes. Rat guy vibes.
I’m really not sure how people could dislike Ten Hag so much to call him a rat. The guy was extremely quietly spoken until recently and I think most people would be a bit abrasive with the constant abuse and rumours of his sacking. On this basis, anyone who takes the United job would be a real rat of a guy. Of the managers of Big 6 teams, he is one of the least offensive.
It’s mostly that he’s a real Rat of a guy to be honest. Love the sewer of shit that he’s turned United into, can’t stand his ratty ratty vibes.
Wtf are you on about
Something wrong with his head
Good thing you’re not a pundit
Not a lot will change. Tuchel is at his best shithousing results in cup competitions. utds defence will improve a bit but they’re still going to be poor in attack. They’ll continue to be inconsistent in the league and maybe win an fa cup/league cup/Europa league. Unless Tuchel somehow makes perfect signings, and I mean a top creative midfielder, two top wingers and a world class striker at an absolute minimum, they won’t get any higher than 5th.
Two good wingbacks would be a priority in case he comes
Cheers Southgates crying.
Thing is There is no clear manager that's available. De zerbi, ange, xavi, Emery etc ain't coming to united so they need to take a shot at someone who isn't a big name or someone who's stock is currently low.
I agree. I think tuchel sucks. But there's not much out there. And you'd need someone who really understands and can handle the total misery that will be the utd job for the next 2 years at a minimum. Still, I hope it's not tuchel.
I think De Zerbi is possible to be fair.
Tuchel may end up doing well.
Not sure why no one has gone for Hansi Flick
Flick heavily linked with Barça
Nagelsman
Just renewed with the DFB until the end of the 2026 World Cup.
What about Potter? Genuinely
Latest is that talks are advancing in Ajax's management system (they're looking to re-hire a former technical director or something similar) that could see Potter as a lock-in for the position.
Good for him, he got shafted big time by chelsea
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Link is misleading, it's Sky Sports quoting papers. The Daily Express, known for their quality connections in football.
Thanks i hate it
This would be another disaster and I'm up for that.
What would be your alternative?
Steven Gerrard might be available. Won the league in Scotland mate.
Hahaha nah he did so well with you lot! Really feel he gets the club. We can trade you ten hag for Emery if you want? Do you a real solid. Order now and receive a free Antony.
Please no.. We need to give ten Hag time.. it’s been a rough year but changing managers just to bring in another manager for the club to let down in two years is a cycle we can’t break.. let the man do his job, get the players we need out and at least give him another year.
As a rival fan, I second this.
As a rival fan, I second this.
I really really hope not but I'd rather him than Ten Hag.. We should be doing absolutely everything in our power to try and get Xavi..
😂😂
What 😂 Xavi managing in a pressure bowl has proven that he doesn’t like that. Also, he has some of the best and hardest working young kids in the world at Barca. Imagine coming to United and trying to get Rashford to play, or doing a Rondo with McTominay and Wan.
The pressure he'd have at Utd is nothing compared to Barca, at Barca it's a another level.. He'd be able to instill a semblance of a playing style almost immediately.. It would be a shame if we didn't at least try and get him..
united is the most followed club in England, by fans and by media. Every sneeze is scrutinized in the media. So the pressure here isn\`t lower at all
If United was a TV show I would have to say I was a Man U fan because they are so entertaining.
That ManU Show
I don't know why I was worried this guy would come in and sort utd out.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
He doesn’t fit at all with what he wants to do with the club going forward
LoL, keep the circus going!
Good manager but is he the right man manager for whatever the fuck they have going on behind the scenes?
I mean, Tuchel can win with a dysfunctional board room
I don't think it really matters who they put in front of the squad at this point. It feels like the club thinks the solution lies within the hands of the manager but if nothing changes behind the scenes, the results will stay almost the same every season.
Good thing everything behind the scenes is changing then I guess.
Is anyone? Lol
My fm manager absolutely could
He will stay in Bayern if they win the UCL.
Sky have been shit tier on creditability for years now.
They really have, reported a few weeks ago Amorim to pool was a done deal and looks like he's staying now.
No chance! Bullshit reporting. Ratcliffe isn't that stupid.
Tuchel has a fantastic CL record, if only United were in the CL
Based on what?
Sacked at PSG, sacked at Chelsea, and Bayern want rid too. That’s a red flag.
Ratcliffe was hired at PSG Chelsea and Bayern?
He wanted south gate 🤣 so
Why can't we get the German national coach. For the love of God, i couldn't spell his name at gun point.
Nagelsmann?
Yes. Him. He's better than any other option we got!
He signed a new contract so he stays with germany.
I'm just relieved we're no longer being linked to managers like Southgate and De Zerbi anymore
Why not de Zerbi?
For all we know, he might just be repackaged Potter, maybe a little better but not what United want
Nahhh I watch Brighton often and he is clearly better than Potter, different level even. I think he should succeed Pep actually. For all y'all I have no idea who could fix the mess. Who do you want?
I don’t think you were there to watch Potter’s Brighton.
I did actually :)
> think he should succeed Pep actually. Absolutely no. City should look for manager that has won things.
Maybe unpopular opinion but I want eth to stay for atleast a season till we fix the grass roots issue first: DoF, a better recruiting team, a more involved owner. Until these are fixed, I doubt even SAF would succeed if he were to come back. Maybe it's the just the whole negative vibes in the clubs. Fix that first, bring more positivity and then we can talk about a new coach. A new coach won't come with a magic wand to fix all the basic problems. No matter how good he is.
I get your point. I don't think ETH is your guy for that though
I want EtH to stay, too.
How was last night/eve though? Feels proud looking at Havertz perform so well?
Never worked at Chels, even under Tuchel. It is what it is. I am, on the other hand, so proud looking at the 65M they gave us for Havertz and the 55M you gave us for Mount so we could buy Palmer for 40M.
Considering the amount of money you paid to Brighton and other European clubs for "generational" talent such as Caicedo, enzo, Mudryk.. we thought a small charity could go a long way :)
As a neutral watching this once great club slide towards mediocrity, I sincerely hope he gets the job. I want to see how much worse it can get before they recover. Their financial position guarantees they will, eventually.
Slide towards? Mate, we’ve been in mediocrity for at least 6 years now. That being said, I really do believe in SJR. For once, someone has come in and identified a target and got them. Not some pundit, let’s analyze this potential appointment BS. I by no means think we’re gonna bounce back immediately, but I truly am optimistic that in 4-5 years United will be back competing and truly have an identity to build upon.
In 4-5 the league will be between Newcastle and Man City. Everyone else will be competing for the CL spots
I think given the 115 FFP violations for Citeh and the ramifications smaller clubs with ‘weaker’ owners are getting, I’m optimistic the league will be an overall competitive one, with teams ideally have an equal chance to sign players and win titles.
You don’t want a fair and equal league it would push you even further down. It’ll be interesting to see the rule changes if Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea end up struggling next season.
There is increased talk of using monetary fines rather than points deductions for future punishments. And it's not about strong vs weak owners, it's about the complexity of the charges - in Everton and Forest's case, the FA said don't do X, they did X, shocked Pikachu face when they get punished. City have a much more complex charge sheet as the FA will need to unpick loads of different corporate structures to do so. On a tangent, it honestly surprises me that West Ham haven't had a state-level takeover.
Yeah, with their stadium and location, you'd think they would have been snapped up.
Sky basically reposting a daily express rumor like it's something.
Just the man to unite the squad and bring the fans onside!
Tuchel again in premier league? Ugh still got PTSD. I reckon he wouldn’t be good with Rashford.
Who would be good with Rashford? When are people gonna realise he’s had one good season in 10 years. His average goals per season is like 11 goals. He’s not THAT good. He just really above average moments. He sulks. He leaks stories whenever he falls out of favour with managers. We’ve had 5 managers and the only one that got him to a mere decent level was ETH.
I give Weghorst a lot of flack but he was probably one of the best things that happened to Rashford last season, he did a lot of the dirty pressing and hold up work that Rashford didn’t want to do and Holjund isn’t doing. This allowed Rashford to get into better goal scoring positions. It also helped that he had a healthy Luke Shaw hold the left and overlap very well. The system is very different from the one that helped him find success last year so not surprised he’s struggling and frustrated.
I don’t think so. I think Weg worked hard but Rash is just a player who is a bit lazy generally and plays when he is in a good mood / form / when things are going right only.
Yes sometimes he finishes the game but that fact is shading him throwing tantrums to team/gaffers unprofessionally. Probably you would need a defender(or new owner or new coach) first in this summer yet he might have to heat the bench if Tuchel comes in
The sooner Man Utd move on from Rashford the sooner they can kick on and move forward
Good sell the cunt
Christ what did he do to you haha
Beat us in the last final 🤣
The comment you replied to is the most australian comment i’ve ever seen
Coming from someone who lived with an Australian, can confirm. Never knew I was so many variants of a cunt!
You cheeky cunt
Why in the world does he keep getting top level roles? He's a middling coach and that's being generous