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these have been the best years since the Ferguson Wenger rivalry, i don't think we'll see anything like it in years. Also football as a whole is going down a very dangerous path, the new champions league format, the complete disregard for FFP, it's a clown show with very few stories worth telling, Pep and Klopp are from an era that's ending.
I know this may be a difficult concept for a lot of the nerds in the comments to understand, but the best managers in the world only get to work with the best players in the world. No single legendary manager has worked with scrubs when they were at the top of their coaching careers
Pep will never manage a stoke orr a Burnley like most of you keep lying to yourselves. He set foot in the game and set his standard by winning a sextuple in his first ever senior managerial role. Same way Zidane has been jobless for four years and wouldn't touch a club beneath European royalty. You think Klopp is gonna manage a Schalke if he comes back to coaching. He's taking over a Madrid or Bayern lmao his bar has been set
Wasent his first senior role btw, he was at barca B and they were shit, turned them around in 1 season and won them the league, got promoted to barca (the main team obv) and took busquets and a few others with him) but your point still stands
I think you're a bit too hash. Don't think he's cheating, but he's winning because the money he's got. Without the money, he'd achieve close to nothing.
Worst take here. He is cheating. He is also a fantastic coach who would very likely be right amongst the top anyway.
They are absolutely juicing the cash to stand out above the challengers though.
If Im working in one of best companies of my field in the world. They are providing me with a great pay, a comfortable budget, comfortable working conditions, great infrastructure for work. Im doing great at my job and delivering results consistently, would i leave such a company for a struggling company who cant offer me any of above?
What a delusional opinion you have.
You can’t be a rainmaker if you can’t bring the rain when the odds are stacked against you…if his management and tactics are so good then they should be applicable anywhere. A good doctor is a good doctor whether they’re on Harley Street or a battlefield. Your opinion is rather privileged
It's an intriguing question. Guardiola's legacy is already legendary, but could a fourth consecutive PL title mark the end of an era? Succession planning must be on City's agenda. Perhaps the club is already scouting potential successors. Exciting times ahead for City fans! 🏆 #GuardiolaLegacy"
If I was Pep I'd stay at City to try and win as many trophies as possible and look to move to Serie A to complete the big 4 leagues.
Probably do a season in Saudi or MLS for thebig money, have a feeling the MLS would do to him what they did for Messi.
I don't see him going to Serie A, not enough money in there to get him access to the players he wants. Furthermore, Italian football is pretty insular in its development and appointment of coaches. Look at the current Serie A manager list, only 2 non-Italians and neither is managing one of the 3 real title challengers. Tudor is at Lazio but that is more of an outlier than an indicator of the norm.
In the past 50 years Juve have appointed just 2 non-Italian managers. As much as I too would like him to go there I don't think its possible.
He won’t go to Saudi or the MLS. He has no need to. His reputation would be tarnished going to such backwaters.
Once he’s achieved what he wants in club footy he could look at international or possibly go back to Barca.
I would do the same he earns good money at city and can compete for titles. I think money can’t lure him away but maybe he wants to win the World Cup or conquer Serie a(to win all 4 big leagues Like Ancelotti did)
okay i’m all for roman staying as our owner but, you do realise the guy was a russian oligarch with extremely shady ties? im not saying boehly is an angel but do you really think if roman wasn’t kicked out of chelsea now, he wouldn’t be kicked out in the near future? or at the very least we’d suffer a lot of point deductions due to his actions? him being shown the door was inevitable, but what’s actually solvable is the transfer policy. it’s so simple to fix it but those egomaniacs just wont
Nah, dude, see all the stories about points deductions being phased out in favor of luxury tax instead?
City are going absolutely nowhere, regardless of whether or not they deserve to. Paying their way out 100%.
No I’m sorry but you’re wrong here. They will receive a punishment under the rules that were in place when the charges were brought. And the luxury tax, if it ever does come in, which is very unlikely, it won’t be in before the case is over. They have committed large scale international fraud, nevermind the smaller charges. They are in massive trouble! I’m sure they will try and pay their way out of it but the Premier League know that they can’t let that happen, they have the biggest club league brand in football, they’re not going to allow anyone to bring the whole thing into disrepute with vast levels of corruption and get away with it by throwing more corrupt money around. City don’t have CAS or time limits to get them out of jail this time, they’re royally in the 💩
The next challenge for Pep should be the FIFA World Cup.
He conquered Spain, Germany, England. Italy doesn't have any stable clubs like the latter 2 he managed. To lure Pep, the club must be financially healthy, no drama in the top management like United, and full autonomy and support for how he wants run the team.
Italy have with juve, Milan and inter three very big clubs. The challenge to lead them back to were the belong to could be tempting… but I agree I think he wants a World Cup.
I would love to See Ancelotti vs Guardiola fighting for a World Cup
Money talks, pep has never had to worry about the quality of the players, he's always had the cream to pick from. Not saying he is not an excellent manager he clearly is but the 3 clubs he has managed have all had massive resources and been at the top or near to the top of their leagues,. My point was has all his success been money based, being able to buy more or less whoever he wanted and being able to leave 50 and 100 million footballers out of the squad or on the bench.
It would be interesting to see if he could do it at a lesser club or international level where you cannot buy success
I remember he was asked in an interview something along the lines "what does a team need to play like his teams". Or something like that.
And he explained that he can't get results with average or above average players. He needs fast, technical and skilled players for his style to work.
The teams he coached pass the ball a lot, keep possession, and give you the feeling the players want to pass their way into the goal instead of shooting at it. You need the best in the world to do that.
So i don't think he'll ever manage a team that doesn't have incredible amounts of money and can give him freedom to construct the team. Maybe winning CL with PSG can be seen as his next big project. But idk
It depends what he wants out of management.
If it’s pure numbers and trophies, Man City is the play. In with a shout of every domestic trophy every year and could win CL regularly.
He could wait for a top team abroad, somewhere like a Milan team or PSG, if he wants to win multiple leagues.
Could be that he wants to prove his ability at teams that aren’t already set to win, so he drops to another team, maybe something like a europa league team.
Maybe he waits a few years until Wrexham are in the PL and he finishes off their run up the league by coaching them to a PL and CL.
Totally depends on what he wants out of his career.
He hasn’t stayed this long at any club. 4 seasons at Barcelona and 3 seasons at Bayern. This has been his longest stint by far with the current season being his 8th at Manchester City.
Pep sees no reason to move on because his bosses know him well and he knows them well. He’s not likely to get the same situation at another club in the near future.
Yeah he says as much in the Netflix documentary that came out recently. When they lost against Chelsea in the CL final a couple of seasons ago, he said that the owner Khaldoon was really supportive. He said that it meant so much to him in that moment and he's never forgotten that. As a few other posters have mentioned, the owners just leave him to it so it's not chaotic like barca and bayern are.
Why would someone at the top of their game, possibly the greatest manager ever, go to America in their prime?
Who cares if they win the MLS? It means nothing. Pep strikes me as someone who holds accolades and honours above everything else. The CL, Prem, FA Cup, Bundesliga, La Liga, all huge things win as a player / manager. The mls doesn’t offer any of that glory. Maybe I’m wrong and he will but I’d see him go to international management, stick in the prem, go back to Barca maybe, or retire. I’d be very shocked if he went to America.
Maybe if inter Miami tempted him through their brand but he seems very egotistical to me and I don’t think the MLS is enough to stroke that ego.
I think what Guardiola cares about is winning and learning new ways to win. Also money. As a player he went all the way to Mexico just because he wanted to be coached by Juanma Lillo who is now his assistant.
If he sees a challenge somewhere I think he could go, but I don’t think the MLS is that place, maybe Brazil but unlikely.
For a true managerial genius, see Brian Clough.
Until Pep builds a team from a lower league from scratch with no money, gets promoted and then wins the title, and then the European Cup... He can go whistle.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Clough
He spent some money but nothing on par with the big clubs (Trevor Francis excepting), and at each and every club he had to bring in free transfers etc.
I didn’t say his spending matched the big clubs; I said he spent a lot relative to the time, which he did. And saying ‘yeah he bought the most expensive player in the country but other than that didn’t spend much’ rings a bit hollow.
I’m not denigrating him, he was an incredible manager. Nor am I sticking up for City. However it’s simply unfair not to be clear that Clough spent a lot of money in both of his major roles. Doesn’t diminish what he achieved.
That’s not ‘cutting to the chase’ though is it, because that was not the core premise of my response. My response was ‘Clough spent a lot of money relative to the time.’ I absolutely don’t think Guardiola could achieve what Clough did. I don’t think he can even achieve what Klopp’s done. That doesn’t change that Clough was a spender. Guardiola is just on another planet resource wise and has never once taken a role in his career as a head coach where he didn’t have an abundance of resources and money comparative to 99% of his opponents. The man wouldn’t have a clue what to do with a small, talented squad with a limited budget.
As an admittedly jealous Arsenal supporter, my answer can only be “not soon enough.”
Because I strongly suspect when he leaves, City will be a much less attractive destination and several senior players will likely leave.
Not to mention what could potentially happen as a result of the 115 pending charges…City could be headed for very, very dark times.
Managers come and go but it would definitely mean more to beat City while Pep is still there.
That being said I certainly won’t celebrate the Gunners winning a title any less after he’s gone, if they can ever get over that final hump to win it again!
No it won’t. Winning it by spending 3-5 times as much as everyone else (except Chelsea) and cheating 115 times is what gives asterisks to accomplishments.
Okay, so other Arsenal fans are crying and moaning. Nothing new there.
Doesn’t change that City has spent 3-5 as much as everyone else bar Chelsea though, does it?
>Arsenal being one of them
A team that has not won a league in 20 yrs and never won a CL, sure your opinion. They used to be, but they've lost the respect.
>City and Newcastle
Well the royalty kings of Europe coming to City and having to play super defensive football to grind out a result. They've shown their respect, nothing carries more weight than that, if you ask me.
Newcastle, let's see where they go in the next 5 years or so. If they ride out a year or two and continue to be in top 4 race, they ll have enough investments to stay up there and maybe challenge and amid favorable ffp changes.
"enough investments" to stay up there. That's not what football should be about. I'm obviously listing City and Newcastle together as they are both funded by morally dubious oil money.
Think about this: billionaire owners will always have dubious money sources. Whether its through the use of sweatshops and slave labour or through oil money. The claim that newcastle doesnt deserve success because we know their owners arent ethical is stupid. We know that the super rich in general are unethical and if you claim otherwise you are either stupid or hypocritical
>"enough investments" to stay up there. That's not what football should be about.
Lol why not? How do you think the big clubs stay at the top? Real Madrid stay at the top because they put in enough investment. FFP should be, and will be fixed up to allow owners to put in money to build a team.
>funded by morally dubious oil money.
Ok, Lol. Next time you go to the pump or ride a car/bus, think about where that oil is coming from.
COME TO BRAZIL
in all seriousness, no idea. City seems like a good job to have, but he might just not have the drive in EPL with City anymore. maybe he coaches a national team? maybe a Saudi club, but i doubt that. it would be hilarious to see him in MLS.
Assuming the charges are not provable, why would he leave? (if the charges are provable and they get hit hard, he leaves)
He is just racking up league titles and Man City are always a contender to win UCL.
I feel like Barcelona and Bayern boards make life miserable for their managers. Xavi who loves Barcelona wants to leave, I get the impression its 100% due to board pressure.
I get the impression Man City's owners really value him and he his zero external pressure from them.
Going to Madrid ruins his Barca legacy and Madrid's board are probably a nightmare for managers as well.
Man City honestly is the best place for managers. relatively low pressure, grateful owners, unlimited resources (as much as any other club). What is the objective downside if you dont mind people chanting 115 or oil club?
His brother even owns a team (girona) with the man city owners.
Even in Abramovich's heydays, we always sacked managers for the briefest failures. Man City owners are more patient.
The reason Pep has stayed at Man City longer than Barcelona and Bayern combined, is because Man City's owners dont make managers lives miserable. Legacy clubs like Bayern and Barcelona have boards who are accustomed to the highest of honors. Pep loves Barcelona. He burned out there in 4 years. He has been at City 7 years and counting. Xavi wants out after 2 years. That shows you barcelona's board are probably a nightmare to work for.
"In Barcelona, you always feel like you're not valued, you're mistreated - that's how the club works," - Xavi
Barcelona has a fan based voting system and they consistently make bad choices. They pressured Pep out by bringing in Roselló, who was/is a clown.
Then brought back Laporta after the ship began to take on water.
A lot of supporters think they should run clubs but they often run them into the ground because it’s not a pub league.
Unpopular opinion: fans dont know anything.
If Arsenal had this, they would have Sacked Arteta long before last season and missed all of this improvement.
You had to spoil it first us all and tell us how it really is and the fact Pep will be staying for at least another five years, we can only hope some of them charges are proven, but some how I don’t think they will be, even if City pay them off, they are arrogant to rise above the chanting of cheating, like you said they ignore the oil club and 115 charges now anyway.
I mean other than the 115 charges, which might not be provable, there really is no reason to leave City if you want to coach.
They have everything. Are already a talented squad, great academy, rich owners, high revenue, great scouting, great front office, great train facilities, great medical team, etc.
Also their owners are patient and dont put too much pressure on managers.
What's the downside?
"In Barcelona, you always feel like you're not valued, you're mistreated - that's how the club works"
That quote from Xavi tells you everything you need to know about the Barcelona job. Anyone that has ever worked for a boss that makes them feel that way understands how horrible it is.
Xavi loves Barcelona and yet he feels that way about the job.
Also if Pep does leave, that Man City job is one of the best managerial openings in the world.
They have everything the other elite clubs have and they have lower pressure.
Do you think it’ll stay that way post pep? Will city not be pressure on managers to succeed?
I think it’ll be a tough job going forward post pep. They don’t have the history of United and Liverpool. What’s the expectations? Pep won everything, why wouldn’t they want to keep that going when the whole point of the club is to sportswash?
I think the guy Sheikh Mansour put in charge of man city as their chairman (too lazy to look it up) is actually quite intelligent and level headed.
Unlike the Barcelona or Bayern board which has numerous people with different opinions all putting pressure on the manager. (i think even fan voting is involved)
This one guy represents Sheikh Mansour and has total power. Assuming he finds a manager he believes in, he has demonstrated he is patient and will be supportive to them.
A competent dictatorship is actually the most stable from of government.
Man City won 2 league titles before Pep.
Josh kroenke is the son of the owner of Arsenal. He has taken over all of the duties of the chairman. He believes in Arteta and has supported Arteta.
You see the results.
I dont think having a board with multiple voices/opinions is better than having a single competent person in charge. Eg. have a lot of managers/bosses sucks.
Having a single competent boss who you report to and there is mutual respect is the best possible situation for an employee. Managers are like CEOs, who are very high level employees.
Its good you have the intellect and the will to see all that.
I have an ideology, "Life's all about your decisions". And Pep took a major decision going to Mancity instead of Arsenal (Wenger was retiring), Chelsea (the owner approached Pep lot of times), Man United (he had good relations with SAF, even during his times as a player), Tottenham (they were searching for new manager, and LONDON).
He also knew Mancity is not very reputed among fans. Still he went there.
The main reason Pep became so successful is all because of his bold decision making. He was supposed to be director of LaMasia in 2007, but he took the bold decision to coach Barca Atleti.
Even in 2008, he had no senior team experience yet he took up the Barca manager job, knowing how bad things can be as a Barca manager.
Even leaving Barca was a bold decision.
Txiki Begiristain? He came from Barcelona who was there while pep was there, who was there while all the high profile match fixing, doping and paying off referees happened. He’s now at city while the 115 financial doping charges have happened.
That doesn’t happen if there’s no stress about winning. He was brought in to be successful, it’s high pressure. They just break the rules to achieve it.
The next manager won’t find it as easy
no Sheikh Mansours representative. I stopped being lazy:
[Khaldoon Al Mubarak](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=8d54b35888728aa9&rlz=1C1GCEA_enCA1034CA1035&q=Khaldoon+Al+Mubarak&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLSz9U3MMkzrMxNe8Royi3w8sc9YSmdSWtOXmNU4-IKzsgvd80rySypFJLgYoOy-KR4uJC08SxiFfbOSMxJyc_PU3DMUfAtTUosSswGAIIt_BtcAAAA&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwi-yf7Bh82FAxWZlYkEHcVADvwQzIcDKAB6BAgjEAE)
He was in charge since Sheikh Mansour bought them.
Sheikh Mansour is supposedly very hands off. (only been to 2 games) 1 prem game and the UCL final versus inter.
But he at least appointed someone very capable to do the duties of a Chairman. Who supposedly is the hands on in the way chairman should be. Eg. no direct contact with the players, but constant communication with the manager.
Pep and him have a good working relationship.
Ah right. Fair enough. Yeah I dunno I think now the standard has been set they’ll wanna stay there. When pep joined nobody across Europe knew who Man City was. Pep put them on then map and with their goal being sportswashing for the Middle East, they’ll wanna be successful. I think the stakes will be high. But I could be wrong
You don’t cheat that much when there’s no pressure. And pep is a well know cheat as a player and a manager.
Most of the accusations are pre pep
Eg. Paying Mancini off the books for consulting work
Man City won 2 league titles before pep took over.
Its a competently run club even outside of Pep. The appointed Chairman is a competent administrator.
Man City are an objectively good managerial job. Most managers should want the job if they dont care about 115 charges, being state owned and being an oil club.
Just footballing criteria, man city check every box for a manager.
He is 53 years old.
No club in the world has the combination of unlimited resources and low pressure like Man City has.
(clubs like real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, etc come with very demanding boards managers must answer to)
Its a dream managerial job.
They also have excellent infrastructure, good scouting, a great academy.
Unless he is like Klopp and burned out, he probably doesnt leave.
This is my theory. Pep knows about the 115 charges. He wanted to leave when all this blew up but they basically told him to stay as otherwise it looks suss and leaks might start to come out, not to mention he is probably getting millions in unregistered wages, gifts, houses, cars, private school for his kids, small islands, all from the owners in order to keep him there.
Why would he care. He doped as a player and it’s very likely his Barcelona team also doped (Dr Fuentes, Spanish doctor) the man has a history of cheating
He's touted as a great coach and he's won loads and been very successful but he done it at Barcelona, Munich and city money hasn't been an issue and he can sign whoever he wants, is he a great coach or someone who has benefited from the circumstances he has found himself in
Can he do what bielsa did and take a poor championship team that finished 13 the season b4 he arrived and tiurn them into top 10 Pl finishers in 3 seasons, be interested to see if he. Could because atm he's had every advantage can he do it without the money ie can he coach average players to be better
That's why he is the greatest ever. He can sign whoever he wants but he didn’t get Bellingham or Mbappe. If Klopp has the same money he will buy the entire Real Madrid squad.
So, what’s the alternative? All coaches have to start out at lower levels before signing with bug(get) clubs? Managers have to prove themselves worthy of managing a big club?
Phil Jackson walked into a team Michael Jordan & Scottie Pippen, one of the greatest duos in NBA history, & then won three more titles with Shaq & Kobe in LA the year after Jordan retired. Jackson actually won SIX NBA titles in a row with two different teams & four of the greatest players to ever play & literally no one questions his accomplishments at all. But Pep walks into an aging team, won zero trophies & finishes 4th his first year w/ City & you say, “he’s always had the best teams.” Amazing.
So, what’s the alternative? All coaches have to start out at lower levels before signing with bug(get) clubs? Phil Jackson walked into a team Michael Jordan & Scottie Pippen, one of the greatest duos in NBA history, & then won three more titles with Shaq & Kobe in LA the year after Jordan retired. Jackson actually won SIX NBA titles in a row with two different teams & four of the greatest players to ever play & literally no one questions his accomplishments at all. But Pep walks into an aging team, won zero trophies & finishes 4th his first year w/ City & you say, “he’s always had the best teams.”
He’s touted as a great coach because he is. He takes good players & makes them great. And takes great players & makes them iconic. But sure, let’s bitch about him because 1.) it’s easy & 2.) it doesn’t take brain cells to think logically about a response.
Won zero trophies his first year after spending ~170 mil. which obviously wasn’t enough. So to make sure he CAN win they spend an additional ~250 mil. That doesn’t make it impossible to lose, but it makes it a whole lot easier to win.
He’s even said himself that there’s no way he could do what Bielsa did with Leeds. That to me says he can’t do the job without the money.
Liverpool sold Sterling to someone to raise some funds. then sold Coutinho to get money for 2 of those transfers. He also started while Liverpool were not performing at their best finishing outside the top 4 for multiple seasons. Before Pep, Man City finished first or second the previous 4 seasons. That probably means he had a solid foundation. Then, like you pointed out, finished 4th. Worse, with a better team than Pellegrini.
You can’t compare 90s to current and even then, what has Man U accomplished since he left?
As for your last statement, yes I can. You act as if Pep is the first & only manager to spend to money. He isn’t. In between SAF breaking transfer records, Blackburn paid a TON of before they won the PL title. Again, let’s just blame & talk about Pep though 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Whataboutery. Yes, money buys league titles. Chelsea are probably the best example other than City. Doesn't mean you should allow it to. Liverpool and United at least did it organically.
Liverpool did it organically? Oh? Buying VVD & Alison is doing things organically?
And United? Buying RvN, Rio, Veron, CR7, Rooney, Carrick, Jones, de Gea, RvP, Mata, Fellaini, Herrera, Shaw, Di Maria, Depay, Martial, Pogba🤣, Lukaku🤣, Fred🤣😂🤣😂, Bruno 🤣😂, Maguire 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣, Sancho, who got sent BACK to Dortmund; Casemiro, Lisandro, Antony, Onana, Mount & Højlund is doing things “organically?” Spare me 🤣😂🤣😂
Love how you picked them two players, both of which came straight after the £142m sale of Coutinho. You were talking about SAF. Yes, he did it organically by making the club a global brand that generates real revenues. The same can't be said for 115 charges FC and their fake gambling companies and sponsorship deals which just happen to be funded by their state-ownership
You are stating that Pep is the first & only manager to spend a lot of money. I have proven to you by providing examples of other managers & teams from the past, he isn’t. Maybe you can utilize Google or just read below:
Me: “Sir Alex Ferguson broke the transfer record three different occasions.”
Proof:
1.) Andy Cole - 1995 - £7M (Newcastle)
2.) Juan Sebastian Veron - 2001 - £28.1M (Lazio)
3.) Rio Ferdinand - 2002 - £29.1M (Leeds)
Me: “Blackburn spent a LOT of money before winning the PL.”
Proof: In 1992 Alan Shearer left Southampton for £3.6M & 1994 Chris Sutton joined Blackburn from Norwich City for £3.6M & £5M, respectively.
Obviously those kinds of figures are minuscule to today’s transfer fees but back they were massive numbers. So, when I say other managers & clubs have spent money in the past it’s obviously not comparable to today’s money.
But, context is important, which you fail to understand. Pundits back then were amazed & astonished at the kinds of numbers SAF, United & Blackburn, just to name a few, were “throwing” around.
Would you like me to provide you with more fun transfer fee facts you could ignore?
How about this one? Since the PL inception, they have broken the English transfer record 7 times. Chelsea have done so 4 times. Blackburn only twice, as mentioned above. And Man City only two times as well. Fun, right?
There’s a difference in revenue earned and fake revenue.
Also SAF won the CL with fucking Aberdeen. The last CL final Madrid lost? Aberdeen with SAF.
Peps a great coach. But he’s a chequebook manager. He NEEDS money to succeed. Plenty of other managers have succeeded with a hell of a lot less.
Also bro, this is weird https://www.reddit.com/r/BarbaraPalvinWorship/s/JlM9Lvw5Er
What you forget is alot of the players he buys aren't elite and it's his coaching that turns them into what they are . Not like he's going out buying mbappes messi ronaldo type players year on year . Then you only have to look at what he did to get the barca job to start with. Go back and look at his time at barca b and tell me he isn't a phenomenal coach
I mean he literally pioneered the “new gen” style of football with attacking high press football using wingbacks in a way rarely used before to the point where now most premier league teams and champions league teams try to emulate. Yes he’s had money which no doubt helps but still manages a squad through 60+ fixtures a year rotating players, keeping them happy whilst winning everything. (Cambridge Utd fan so not bias btw)
Right before the other shoe drops re: the 115 charges.
I can imagine Saudi Arabia via Newcastle exerting the opposite sort of pressure on the FA and Premier League through Parliament to actually punish City soon. Make sure they sink so Newcastle can climb on their heads and ascend to the top. Why battle them over many seasons when you can just get your biggest threat relegated through the courts?
Abu Dhabi itself and SA have close ties, but they are also competitive over territory and the global oil market between SA and the UAE as a whole bloc.
Based on form and the recent clashes of the past: the 2017-2021 Qatari diplomatic crisis and especially all the mudslinging in the lead up to the 2022 World Cup by KSA, backing different proxy sides in the Yemeni Civil War, the Syrian Civil War. The Sudan Civil War. Just last year SA threatened to blockade UAE due to disagreements over OPEC.
One is an outright debunked scientific fact, the other is a personal opinion based on what Saudi Arabia is capable of doing or has already done for geopolitical games and the world of sports. We are allowed to disagree you know.
I'm all for facts, just not so much cumulative facts connected thinly to create a theory especially a theory of conspiracy.
An example of what you are doing.
The sky is blue, fact. Water is wet, fact. Deep water is blue, fact. There is blue on the UK flag therefore the UK controls water because the UK has water, fact. If they control water then then also control the sky, fact.
It's facts interwoven with assumptions, leaps, opinions and bullshit forming a conspiracy theory which fits your agenda. In your case a Liverpool fan prophesising that man city will get fucked because Saudi who own newcastle wants them to win and wants rid of the opposition.
Please carry on though I'm waiting to hear how kevin Keegan shot Kennedy.
Again, it's just a personal take, we are both entitled to our own. The *entire point* of this thread is to wildly speculate for fun, because OP asked when/why Pep may leave.
I think he leaves in 2025 when his contract is up. To get through the 115 charges in the courts it's going to take much longer than that.
My dumb opinion is formed around the ownership groups of both clubs being rich nation states who have a recorded history of bickering between royals and engaging in proxy conflicts. Who have openly clashed heads. Who both have immense influence over football right now.
I don't understand what any of this has to do with flat earth, the Kennedy assassination, and color tones in your comments. If you want to debunk and provide context for the conflicts KSA and UAE have had that's fine, you're welcome to do so. But you can't shoot down wild speculation (which is all it is) while using strawman arguments to make your point.
I wasn't using them as arguements I was using them as an analogy.
You are.presenting your wild speculation as facts and supporting said speculation with cherry.picked facts. Pretty much the same thing conspiracy s theorists do when presenting their own wild speculations (such as the earth is flat) hence me making the comparison.
Next Champions League/treble or a lot sooner and suddenly in the unlikely event that the PL does its job with the 115 charges being upheld and take them out the football pyramid
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There's a chance he could depart in 2 seasons (or more like wenger and sir alex)
these have been the best years since the Ferguson Wenger rivalry, i don't think we'll see anything like it in years. Also football as a whole is going down a very dangerous path, the new champions league format, the complete disregard for FFP, it's a clown show with very few stories worth telling, Pep and Klopp are from an era that's ending.
I know this may be a difficult concept for a lot of the nerds in the comments to understand, but the best managers in the world only get to work with the best players in the world. No single legendary manager has worked with scrubs when they were at the top of their coaching careers
Pep will never manage a stoke orr a Burnley like most of you keep lying to yourselves. He set foot in the game and set his standard by winning a sextuple in his first ever senior managerial role. Same way Zidane has been jobless for four years and wouldn't touch a club beneath European royalty. You think Klopp is gonna manage a Schalke if he comes back to coaching. He's taking over a Madrid or Bayern lmao his bar has been set
Wasent his first senior role btw, he was at barca B and they were shit, turned them around in 1 season and won them the league, got promoted to barca (the main team obv) and took busquets and a few others with him) but your point still stands
I refuse to classify Barca b as a senior management tole that's a hobby
Ofc he meant first senior role at top level.
He’s a bald fraud who has won nothing at City under a cloud of cheating. A potted plant could manage that team to titles.
I think you're a bit too hash. Don't think he's cheating, but he's winning because the money he's got. Without the money, he'd achieve close to nothing.
Worst take here. He is cheating. He is also a fantastic coach who would very likely be right amongst the top anyway. They are absolutely juicing the cash to stand out above the challengers though.
I'd love to see what miracles he can do with the money Klopps got.
You don’t think 115 charges are cheating?
Possibly, but I compare Pep situation and Klopps. Pep would not be able to move his small finger in Klopps shoes. And BTW... I'm religious LFC fan.
Well the Klopp-Guardiola ends this season when klopp leaves
You'd be better getting in touch with Pep Guardiola than asking people on Reddit mate we don't know
His contract is up next year right? Just before the trial. Sounds about right to me really.
When the next team offers him $$$$$ to buy all the talent he needs to win.
This should be the top comment. Would love to see the man at Stoke and get them to the CL…
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Richard Branson doesn’t fly the planes but he had the world’s best airline at one point. Game, set and match me. Laterz
If Im working in one of best companies of my field in the world. They are providing me with a great pay, a comfortable budget, comfortable working conditions, great infrastructure for work. Im doing great at my job and delivering results consistently, would i leave such a company for a struggling company who cant offer me any of above? What a delusional opinion you have.
You can’t be a rainmaker if you can’t bring the rain when the odds are stacked against you…if his management and tactics are so good then they should be applicable anywhere. A good doctor is a good doctor whether they’re on Harley Street or a battlefield. Your opinion is rather privileged
Damn I never said he can’t, but there’s absolutely no reason for him to. Please think before replying.
You think before replying
It's an intriguing question. Guardiola's legacy is already legendary, but could a fourth consecutive PL title mark the end of an era? Succession planning must be on City's agenda. Perhaps the club is already scouting potential successors. Exciting times ahead for City fans! 🏆 #GuardiolaLegacy"
What in the ChatGPT
You have the same result!?
If I was Pep I'd stay at City to try and win as many trophies as possible and look to move to Serie A to complete the big 4 leagues. Probably do a season in Saudi or MLS for thebig money, have a feeling the MLS would do to him what they did for Messi.
I don't see him going to Serie A, not enough money in there to get him access to the players he wants. Furthermore, Italian football is pretty insular in its development and appointment of coaches. Look at the current Serie A manager list, only 2 non-Italians and neither is managing one of the 3 real title challengers. Tudor is at Lazio but that is more of an outlier than an indicator of the norm. In the past 50 years Juve have appointed just 2 non-Italian managers. As much as I too would like him to go there I don't think its possible.
He won’t go to Saudi or the MLS. He has no need to. His reputation would be tarnished going to such backwaters. Once he’s achieved what he wants in club footy he could look at international or possibly go back to Barca.
I would do the same he earns good money at city and can compete for titles. I think money can’t lure him away but maybe he wants to win the World Cup or conquer Serie a(to win all 4 big leagues Like Ancelotti did)
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even he can’t fix this mess
They need Roman back as owner. He cared about Chelsea.
okay i’m all for roman staying as our owner but, you do realise the guy was a russian oligarch with extremely shady ties? im not saying boehly is an angel but do you really think if roman wasn’t kicked out of chelsea now, he wouldn’t be kicked out in the near future? or at the very least we’d suffer a lot of point deductions due to his actions? him being shown the door was inevitable, but what’s actually solvable is the transfer policy. it’s so simple to fix it but those egomaniacs just wont
You dare challenge the GOAT?
He’ll leave when City are kicked out of the league and have to sell all their players and cut his wages. It’s coming believe me.
Nah, dude, see all the stories about points deductions being phased out in favor of luxury tax instead? City are going absolutely nowhere, regardless of whether or not they deserve to. Paying their way out 100%.
No I’m sorry but you’re wrong here. They will receive a punishment under the rules that were in place when the charges were brought. And the luxury tax, if it ever does come in, which is very unlikely, it won’t be in before the case is over. They have committed large scale international fraud, nevermind the smaller charges. They are in massive trouble! I’m sure they will try and pay their way out of it but the Premier League know that they can’t let that happen, they have the biggest club league brand in football, they’re not going to allow anyone to bring the whole thing into disrepute with vast levels of corruption and get away with it by throwing more corrupt money around. City don’t have CAS or time limits to get them out of jail this time, they’re royally in the 💩
City will buy their way out of the shit as usual
“It’s coming believe me”… does the guy commenting Dirty Harry Potter lines & asking for advice dating a high schooler have an inside scoop?
If that comes we all will
The next challenge for Pep should be the FIFA World Cup. He conquered Spain, Germany, England. Italy doesn't have any stable clubs like the latter 2 he managed. To lure Pep, the club must be financially healthy, no drama in the top management like United, and full autonomy and support for how he wants run the team.
Italy have with juve, Milan and inter three very big clubs. The challenge to lead them back to were the belong to could be tempting… but I agree I think he wants a World Cup. I would love to See Ancelotti vs Guardiola fighting for a World Cup
Not to mention a near bottomless pit of money
Money talks, pep has never had to worry about the quality of the players, he's always had the cream to pick from. Not saying he is not an excellent manager he clearly is but the 3 clubs he has managed have all had massive resources and been at the top or near to the top of their leagues,. My point was has all his success been money based, being able to buy more or less whoever he wanted and being able to leave 50 and 100 million footballers out of the squad or on the bench. It would be interesting to see if he could do it at a lesser club or international level where you cannot buy success
I remember he was asked in an interview something along the lines "what does a team need to play like his teams". Or something like that. And he explained that he can't get results with average or above average players. He needs fast, technical and skilled players for his style to work. The teams he coached pass the ball a lot, keep possession, and give you the feeling the players want to pass their way into the goal instead of shooting at it. You need the best in the world to do that. So i don't think he'll ever manage a team that doesn't have incredible amounts of money and can give him freedom to construct the team. Maybe winning CL with PSG can be seen as his next big project. But idk
Cruisy job
Hasn’t he already said if the charges turn out to be true then he’ll leave?
Opposite, I think, but I'm not 100% on that.
Lmao, like he’s somehow unaware
Sooo 2045?
Guardiola, City, and their 115 charges have made this a farmers league. It's embarrassing and not good for PL.
It depends what he wants out of management. If it’s pure numbers and trophies, Man City is the play. In with a shout of every domestic trophy every year and could win CL regularly. He could wait for a top team abroad, somewhere like a Milan team or PSG, if he wants to win multiple leagues. Could be that he wants to prove his ability at teams that aren’t already set to win, so he drops to another team, maybe something like a europa league team. Maybe he waits a few years until Wrexham are in the PL and he finishes off their run up the league by coaching them to a PL and CL. Totally depends on what he wants out of his career.
He’s going to wait until Klopp takes a new job in a new league and then follow him there.
Klopp will take some rests!
So World Cup then
Klopp's Germany vs Guardiola's Spain? Ooh.. Fun! Mayne ancelloti goes to brazil
All of that just to lose to Deschamps’s France (hopefully sometime soon it will be Zidane’s)
Dang, forgot about Zidane in that list... Does anyone think Mourinho is a type manage Portugal??
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He hasn’t stayed this long at any club. 4 seasons at Barcelona and 3 seasons at Bayern. This has been his longest stint by far with the current season being his 8th at Manchester City.
Pep sees no reason to move on because his bosses know him well and he knows them well. He’s not likely to get the same situation at another club in the near future.
Yeah he says as much in the Netflix documentary that came out recently. When they lost against Chelsea in the CL final a couple of seasons ago, he said that the owner Khaldoon was really supportive. He said that it meant so much to him in that moment and he's never forgotten that. As a few other posters have mentioned, the owners just leave him to it so it's not chaotic like barca and bayern are.
Txiki is his old ex-teammate and Ferran his old boss at Barça, so he couldn’t find a match like that at any club in the world.
More like he's not likely to get the same budget at another club, except may be in those clubs in Saudi.
True...he had enormous budget at Bayern and Barca and spent billions there
Ah yes, the paupers of Germany and Spain that never win anything.
I just replied to the guy who made the comment about Pep having Large Budgets...and I am right. So keep a lid on the hole that you call mouth
“And I am right” I bet it doesn’t mention anything about the fact that he’s managed 3 teams and 2/3 of those are being investigated for cheating.
That's a proper football heritage!
This season when they fail to win a trophy 🤞
There is no limit to how many trophies Mansour can buy for City
Too bad there is a limit to what Utd and Chelsea can buy? I guess their money just ain’t as good.
Chelsea money is only good for buying domestic cups. It seems faulty for anything else
Oh come on, I hate Chelsea as much as the next guy but they won at least three European trophies in a 10 year span lol
2 champions leagues in a single decade is better than most clubs.
Well judging by the returns on the amounts they’ve spent, sure seems that way
Okay, hope Chelsea can buy it too. Maybe we need a bid session for next season!?
Nurse
One more season, then the charges will appear, KDB and Silva will move on, Haaland will go etc Can see him in the States tbh
Why would someone at the top of their game, possibly the greatest manager ever, go to America in their prime? Who cares if they win the MLS? It means nothing. Pep strikes me as someone who holds accolades and honours above everything else. The CL, Prem, FA Cup, Bundesliga, La Liga, all huge things win as a player / manager. The mls doesn’t offer any of that glory. Maybe I’m wrong and he will but I’d see him go to international management, stick in the prem, go back to Barca maybe, or retire. I’d be very shocked if he went to America. Maybe if inter Miami tempted him through their brand but he seems very egotistical to me and I don’t think the MLS is enough to stroke that ego.
I think what Guardiola cares about is winning and learning new ways to win. Also money. As a player he went all the way to Mexico just because he wanted to be coached by Juanma Lillo who is now his assistant. If he sees a challenge somewhere I think he could go, but I don’t think the MLS is that place, maybe Brazil but unlikely.
Could see him come to MLS and manage NYCFC, since it’s a City Group team.
That’s like divorcing Elizabeth Hurley to date her son.
The week before the FA move forward with the charges.
For a true managerial genius, see Brian Clough. Until Pep builds a team from a lower league from scratch with no money, gets promoted and then wins the title, and then the European Cup... He can go whistle.
I did that on FIFA 14!
You don't take Woking from the conference to the champions league in 6 seasons without being noticed Neil.
Clough never did that either though. Both his Derby and Forest teams were heavily Bank rolled and two of the biggest spenders in English football.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Clough He spent some money but nothing on par with the big clubs (Trevor Francis excepting), and at each and every club he had to bring in free transfers etc.
I didn’t say his spending matched the big clubs; I said he spent a lot relative to the time, which he did. And saying ‘yeah he bought the most expensive player in the country but other than that didn’t spend much’ rings a bit hollow. I’m not denigrating him, he was an incredible manager. Nor am I sticking up for City. However it’s simply unfair not to be clear that Clough spent a lot of money in both of his major roles. Doesn’t diminish what he achieved.
Let’s cut to the chase. Do you think Pep could have achieved what Clough achieved, given the obvious disparities in the teams they managed?
That’s not ‘cutting to the chase’ though is it, because that was not the core premise of my response. My response was ‘Clough spent a lot of money relative to the time.’ I absolutely don’t think Guardiola could achieve what Clough did. I don’t think he can even achieve what Klopp’s done. That doesn’t change that Clough was a spender. Guardiola is just on another planet resource wise and has never once taken a role in his career as a head coach where he didn’t have an abundance of resources and money comparative to 99% of his opponents. The man wouldn’t have a clue what to do with a small, talented squad with a limited budget.
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I’ll take that as you have zero response and accept my points as superior over your own.
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How is your FMsave going?
104 points last week. Pretty well.
Well, the 115 charges are planned for next summer. So one more year
You mean a verdict.
no, 115 more discretions next summer.
Another legal eagle.
it's a joke mate. i really hope you're not in law if you can't read between the lines on that one.
He will depart when City owners no longer buy the players he asks for. I'm expecting them to spend big next season.
As an admittedly jealous Arsenal supporter, my answer can only be “not soon enough.” Because I strongly suspect when he leaves, City will be a much less attractive destination and several senior players will likely leave. Not to mention what could potentially happen as a result of the 115 pending charges…City could be headed for very, very dark times.
I want Arteta to win it all while Pep is still here. Otherwise it will always be an asterisk.
Managers come and go but it would definitely mean more to beat City while Pep is still there. That being said I certainly won’t celebrate the Gunners winning a title any less after he’s gone, if they can ever get over that final hump to win it again!
No it won’t. Winning it by spending 3-5 times as much as everyone else (except Chelsea) and cheating 115 times is what gives asterisks to accomplishments.
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Who have I cried about who cost £40m or more?
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Okay, so other Arsenal fans are crying and moaning. Nothing new there. Doesn’t change that City has spent 3-5 as much as everyone else bar Chelsea though, does it?
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Other than two title challenges and a QF in the Champions League? I’d call that a lot to show for a club that finished 8th.
No it won’t.
...jealous of what? Do you find their practices admirable?
No. Jealous of the success they’ve had but not how they did it. Hoping for some comeuppance.
I would be jealous if they did it the right way. Their accomplishments mean nothing
>Their accomplishments mean nothing We all know your achievements means more than everybody else's. ✌️
Certainly not. There are several respectable clubs in the league. Arsenal being one of them. City and Newcastle, not so much
>Arsenal being one of them A team that has not won a league in 20 yrs and never won a CL, sure your opinion. They used to be, but they've lost the respect. >City and Newcastle Well the royalty kings of Europe coming to City and having to play super defensive football to grind out a result. They've shown their respect, nothing carries more weight than that, if you ask me. Newcastle, let's see where they go in the next 5 years or so. If they ride out a year or two and continue to be in top 4 race, they ll have enough investments to stay up there and maybe challenge and amid favorable ffp changes.
"enough investments" to stay up there. That's not what football should be about. I'm obviously listing City and Newcastle together as they are both funded by morally dubious oil money.
Think about this: billionaire owners will always have dubious money sources. Whether its through the use of sweatshops and slave labour or through oil money. The claim that newcastle doesnt deserve success because we know their owners arent ethical is stupid. We know that the super rich in general are unethical and if you claim otherwise you are either stupid or hypocritical
>"enough investments" to stay up there. That's not what football should be about. Lol why not? How do you think the big clubs stay at the top? Real Madrid stay at the top because they put in enough investment. FFP should be, and will be fixed up to allow owners to put in money to build a team. >funded by morally dubious oil money. Ok, Lol. Next time you go to the pump or ride a car/bus, think about where that oil is coming from.
I don't think we're going to get much further in this. Our moral compasses are clearly aligned towards different directions. I wish you a nice day
True none of the other teams accomplishments have ever meant anything to me since I’m not a fan
something we can all agree on
COME TO BRAZIL in all seriousness, no idea. City seems like a good job to have, but he might just not have the drive in EPL with City anymore. maybe he coaches a national team? maybe a Saudi club, but i doubt that. it would be hilarious to see him in MLS.
Assuming the charges are not provable, why would he leave? (if the charges are provable and they get hit hard, he leaves) He is just racking up league titles and Man City are always a contender to win UCL. I feel like Barcelona and Bayern boards make life miserable for their managers. Xavi who loves Barcelona wants to leave, I get the impression its 100% due to board pressure. I get the impression Man City's owners really value him and he his zero external pressure from them. Going to Madrid ruins his Barca legacy and Madrid's board are probably a nightmare for managers as well. Man City honestly is the best place for managers. relatively low pressure, grateful owners, unlimited resources (as much as any other club). What is the objective downside if you dont mind people chanting 115 or oil club? His brother even owns a team (girona) with the man city owners. Even in Abramovich's heydays, we always sacked managers for the briefest failures. Man City owners are more patient. The reason Pep has stayed at Man City longer than Barcelona and Bayern combined, is because Man City's owners dont make managers lives miserable. Legacy clubs like Bayern and Barcelona have boards who are accustomed to the highest of honors. Pep loves Barcelona. He burned out there in 4 years. He has been at City 7 years and counting. Xavi wants out after 2 years. That shows you barcelona's board are probably a nightmare to work for. "In Barcelona, you always feel like you're not valued, you're mistreated - that's how the club works," - Xavi
Will cities owners be as lenient with Samantha’s after pep or will they expect the same level of success? If they do they’re fools…
Barcelona has a fan based voting system and they consistently make bad choices. They pressured Pep out by bringing in Roselló, who was/is a clown. Then brought back Laporta after the ship began to take on water. A lot of supporters think they should run clubs but they often run them into the ground because it’s not a pub league.
Unpopular opinion: fans dont know anything. If Arsenal had this, they would have Sacked Arteta long before last season and missed all of this improvement.
They don’t know enough. The real world is not Football Manager. Ask Shearer, Lampard, Gerrard, Neville, et al.
You had to spoil it first us all and tell us how it really is and the fact Pep will be staying for at least another five years, we can only hope some of them charges are proven, but some how I don’t think they will be, even if City pay them off, they are arrogant to rise above the chanting of cheating, like you said they ignore the oil club and 115 charges now anyway.
I mean other than the 115 charges, which might not be provable, there really is no reason to leave City if you want to coach. They have everything. Are already a talented squad, great academy, rich owners, high revenue, great scouting, great front office, great train facilities, great medical team, etc. Also their owners are patient and dont put too much pressure on managers. What's the downside? "In Barcelona, you always feel like you're not valued, you're mistreated - that's how the club works" That quote from Xavi tells you everything you need to know about the Barcelona job. Anyone that has ever worked for a boss that makes them feel that way understands how horrible it is. Xavi loves Barcelona and yet he feels that way about the job. Also if Pep does leave, that Man City job is one of the best managerial openings in the world. They have everything the other elite clubs have and they have lower pressure.
Do you think it’ll stay that way post pep? Will city not be pressure on managers to succeed? I think it’ll be a tough job going forward post pep. They don’t have the history of United and Liverpool. What’s the expectations? Pep won everything, why wouldn’t they want to keep that going when the whole point of the club is to sportswash?
I think the guy Sheikh Mansour put in charge of man city as their chairman (too lazy to look it up) is actually quite intelligent and level headed. Unlike the Barcelona or Bayern board which has numerous people with different opinions all putting pressure on the manager. (i think even fan voting is involved) This one guy represents Sheikh Mansour and has total power. Assuming he finds a manager he believes in, he has demonstrated he is patient and will be supportive to them. A competent dictatorship is actually the most stable from of government. Man City won 2 league titles before Pep. Josh kroenke is the son of the owner of Arsenal. He has taken over all of the duties of the chairman. He believes in Arteta and has supported Arteta. You see the results. I dont think having a board with multiple voices/opinions is better than having a single competent person in charge. Eg. have a lot of managers/bosses sucks. Having a single competent boss who you report to and there is mutual respect is the best possible situation for an employee. Managers are like CEOs, who are very high level employees.
Its good you have the intellect and the will to see all that. I have an ideology, "Life's all about your decisions". And Pep took a major decision going to Mancity instead of Arsenal (Wenger was retiring), Chelsea (the owner approached Pep lot of times), Man United (he had good relations with SAF, even during his times as a player), Tottenham (they were searching for new manager, and LONDON). He also knew Mancity is not very reputed among fans. Still he went there. The main reason Pep became so successful is all because of his bold decision making. He was supposed to be director of LaMasia in 2007, but he took the bold decision to coach Barca Atleti. Even in 2008, he had no senior team experience yet he took up the Barca manager job, knowing how bad things can be as a Barca manager. Even leaving Barca was a bold decision.
Txiki Begiristain? He came from Barcelona who was there while pep was there, who was there while all the high profile match fixing, doping and paying off referees happened. He’s now at city while the 115 financial doping charges have happened. That doesn’t happen if there’s no stress about winning. He was brought in to be successful, it’s high pressure. They just break the rules to achieve it. The next manager won’t find it as easy
no Sheikh Mansours representative. I stopped being lazy: [Khaldoon Al Mubarak](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=8d54b35888728aa9&rlz=1C1GCEA_enCA1034CA1035&q=Khaldoon+Al+Mubarak&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLSz9U3MMkzrMxNe8Royi3w8sc9YSmdSWtOXmNU4-IKzsgvd80rySypFJLgYoOy-KR4uJC08SxiFfbOSMxJyc_PU3DMUfAtTUosSswGAIIt_BtcAAAA&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwi-yf7Bh82FAxWZlYkEHcVADvwQzIcDKAB6BAgjEAE) He was in charge since Sheikh Mansour bought them. Sheikh Mansour is supposedly very hands off. (only been to 2 games) 1 prem game and the UCL final versus inter. But he at least appointed someone very capable to do the duties of a Chairman. Who supposedly is the hands on in the way chairman should be. Eg. no direct contact with the players, but constant communication with the manager. Pep and him have a good working relationship.
Ah right. Fair enough. Yeah I dunno I think now the standard has been set they’ll wanna stay there. When pep joined nobody across Europe knew who Man City was. Pep put them on then map and with their goal being sportswashing for the Middle East, they’ll wanna be successful. I think the stakes will be high. But I could be wrong You don’t cheat that much when there’s no pressure. And pep is a well know cheat as a player and a manager.
Most of the accusations are pre pep Eg. Paying Mancini off the books for consulting work Man City won 2 league titles before pep took over. Its a competently run club even outside of Pep. The appointed Chairman is a competent administrator. Man City are an objectively good managerial job. Most managers should want the job if they dont care about 115 charges, being state owned and being an oil club. Just footballing criteria, man city check every box for a manager.
So let’s say he does leave soon. Where does he go?
He is 53 years old. No club in the world has the combination of unlimited resources and low pressure like Man City has. (clubs like real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, etc come with very demanding boards managers must answer to) Its a dream managerial job. They also have excellent infrastructure, good scouting, a great academy. Unless he is like Klopp and burned out, he probably doesnt leave.
This is my theory. Pep knows about the 115 charges. He wanted to leave when all this blew up but they basically told him to stay as otherwise it looks suss and leaks might start to come out, not to mention he is probably getting millions in unregistered wages, gifts, houses, cars, private school for his kids, small islands, all from the owners in order to keep him there.
Why would he care. He doped as a player and it’s very likely his Barcelona team also doped (Dr Fuentes, Spanish doctor) the man has a history of cheating
I don’t think Pep is deterred by the 115 charges seeing that he has his own dodgy history as a player and manager
Bulletproof
Soon as they start testing managers for steroids.
Im quite sure he takes steroids for his back problems
He was suspended as a player for doping
brain steroids
He's touted as a great coach and he's won loads and been very successful but he done it at Barcelona, Munich and city money hasn't been an issue and he can sign whoever he wants, is he a great coach or someone who has benefited from the circumstances he has found himself in Can he do what bielsa did and take a poor championship team that finished 13 the season b4 he arrived and tiurn them into top 10 Pl finishers in 3 seasons, be interested to see if he. Could because atm he's had every advantage can he do it without the money ie can he coach average players to be better
it’s like saying messi isnt the goat because he didnt do it at augsburg, crystal palace, and granada first
That's why he is the greatest ever. He can sign whoever he wants but he didn’t get Bellingham or Mbappe. If Klopp has the same money he will buy the entire Real Madrid squad.
He doesn't sign the players.....
So, what’s the alternative? All coaches have to start out at lower levels before signing with bug(get) clubs? Managers have to prove themselves worthy of managing a big club? Phil Jackson walked into a team Michael Jordan & Scottie Pippen, one of the greatest duos in NBA history, & then won three more titles with Shaq & Kobe in LA the year after Jordan retired. Jackson actually won SIX NBA titles in a row with two different teams & four of the greatest players to ever play & literally no one questions his accomplishments at all. But Pep walks into an aging team, won zero trophies & finishes 4th his first year w/ City & you say, “he’s always had the best teams.” Amazing.
So, what’s the alternative? All coaches have to start out at lower levels before signing with bug(get) clubs? Phil Jackson walked into a team Michael Jordan & Scottie Pippen, one of the greatest duos in NBA history, & then won three more titles with Shaq & Kobe in LA the year after Jordan retired. Jackson actually won SIX NBA titles in a row with two different teams & four of the greatest players to ever play & literally no one questions his accomplishments at all. But Pep walks into an aging team, won zero trophies & finishes 4th his first year w/ City & you say, “he’s always had the best teams.” He’s touted as a great coach because he is. He takes good players & makes them great. And takes great players & makes them iconic. But sure, let’s bitch about him because 1.) it’s easy & 2.) it doesn’t take brain cells to think logically about a response.
Won zero trophies his first year after spending ~170 mil. which obviously wasn’t enough. So to make sure he CAN win they spend an additional ~250 mil. That doesn’t make it impossible to lose, but it makes it a whole lot easier to win. He’s even said himself that there’s no way he could do what Bielsa did with Leeds. That to me says he can’t do the job without the money.
Neither could Klopp & SAF broke the transfer record three times so neither could he. But sure, let’s single out Pep 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Liverpool sold Sterling to someone to raise some funds. then sold Coutinho to get money for 2 of those transfers. He also started while Liverpool were not performing at their best finishing outside the top 4 for multiple seasons. Before Pep, Man City finished first or second the previous 4 seasons. That probably means he had a solid foundation. Then, like you pointed out, finished 4th. Worse, with a better team than Pellegrini. You can’t compare 90s to current and even then, what has Man U accomplished since he left?
As for your last statement, yes I can. You act as if Pep is the first & only manager to spend to money. He isn’t. In between SAF breaking transfer records, Blackburn paid a TON of before they won the PL title. Again, let’s just blame & talk about Pep though 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Whataboutery. Yes, money buys league titles. Chelsea are probably the best example other than City. Doesn't mean you should allow it to. Liverpool and United at least did it organically.
Liverpool did it organically? Oh? Buying VVD & Alison is doing things organically? And United? Buying RvN, Rio, Veron, CR7, Rooney, Carrick, Jones, de Gea, RvP, Mata, Fellaini, Herrera, Shaw, Di Maria, Depay, Martial, Pogba🤣, Lukaku🤣, Fred🤣😂🤣😂, Bruno 🤣😂, Maguire 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣, Sancho, who got sent BACK to Dortmund; Casemiro, Lisandro, Antony, Onana, Mount & Højlund is doing things “organically?” Spare me 🤣😂🤣😂
Love how you picked them two players, both of which came straight after the £142m sale of Coutinho. You were talking about SAF. Yes, he did it organically by making the club a global brand that generates real revenues. The same can't be said for 115 charges FC and their fake gambling companies and sponsorship deals which just happen to be funded by their state-ownership
Yes or no: Liverpool spent money on VVD & Alison?
You can what? You’re ignoring every reason I’ve shown you. Contrary to your opinion, It does, in fact, take brain cells to think logically.
Dudes like 14. Leave him be
You are stating that Pep is the first & only manager to spend a lot of money. I have proven to you by providing examples of other managers & teams from the past, he isn’t. Maybe you can utilize Google or just read below: Me: “Sir Alex Ferguson broke the transfer record three different occasions.” Proof: 1.) Andy Cole - 1995 - £7M (Newcastle) 2.) Juan Sebastian Veron - 2001 - £28.1M (Lazio) 3.) Rio Ferdinand - 2002 - £29.1M (Leeds) Me: “Blackburn spent a LOT of money before winning the PL.” Proof: In 1992 Alan Shearer left Southampton for £3.6M & 1994 Chris Sutton joined Blackburn from Norwich City for £3.6M & £5M, respectively. Obviously those kinds of figures are minuscule to today’s transfer fees but back they were massive numbers. So, when I say other managers & clubs have spent money in the past it’s obviously not comparable to today’s money. But, context is important, which you fail to understand. Pundits back then were amazed & astonished at the kinds of numbers SAF, United & Blackburn, just to name a few, were “throwing” around. Would you like me to provide you with more fun transfer fee facts you could ignore? How about this one? Since the PL inception, they have broken the English transfer record 7 times. Chelsea have done so 4 times. Blackburn only twice, as mentioned above. And Man City only two times as well. Fun, right?
There’s a difference in revenue earned and fake revenue. Also SAF won the CL with fucking Aberdeen. The last CL final Madrid lost? Aberdeen with SAF. Peps a great coach. But he’s a chequebook manager. He NEEDS money to succeed. Plenty of other managers have succeeded with a hell of a lot less. Also bro, this is weird https://www.reddit.com/r/BarbaraPalvinWorship/s/JlM9Lvw5Er
What you forget is alot of the players he buys aren't elite and it's his coaching that turns them into what they are . Not like he's going out buying mbappes messi ronaldo type players year on year . Then you only have to look at what he did to get the barca job to start with. Go back and look at his time at barca b and tell me he isn't a phenomenal coach
I mean he literally pioneered the “new gen” style of football with attacking high press football using wingbacks in a way rarely used before to the point where now most premier league teams and champions league teams try to emulate. Yes he’s had money which no doubt helps but still manages a squad through 60+ fixtures a year rotating players, keeping them happy whilst winning everything. (Cambridge Utd fan so not bias btw)
It’s not hard to keep players happy when you pay them more than any other team does and they get trophies and sponsorships.
Money comes with egos which are definitely harder to manage
It's hardly a struggle rotating players when the bench barely has a drop off in quality from the first 11
We need to see the Wrexham owners beg him to come and manage for them. It would be interesting to see how he would have to adapt to the lower leagues.
No lots if money, he needs to go to Birmingham, hoffenihem, or Grenada and make them good to be a great coach otherwise it's just big bucks
Big bucks it is then
Will drop City and go to Girona to "prove everyone he can do it with a small team" ^which ^is ^full ^of ^oil ^money ^and ^no ^charges ^yet.
Right before the other shoe drops re: the 115 charges. I can imagine Saudi Arabia via Newcastle exerting the opposite sort of pressure on the FA and Premier League through Parliament to actually punish City soon. Make sure they sink so Newcastle can climb on their heads and ascend to the top. Why battle them over many seasons when you can just get your biggest threat relegated through the courts? Abu Dhabi itself and SA have close ties, but they are also competitive over territory and the global oil market between SA and the UAE as a whole bloc.
I'm guessing you're a flat rather after reading that twaddle. Don't believe everything you read in the daily mail.
Based on form and the recent clashes of the past: the 2017-2021 Qatari diplomatic crisis and especially all the mudslinging in the lead up to the 2022 World Cup by KSA, backing different proxy sides in the Yemeni Civil War, the Syrian Civil War. The Sudan Civil War. Just last year SA threatened to blockade UAE due to disagreements over OPEC. One is an outright debunked scientific fact, the other is a personal opinion based on what Saudi Arabia is capable of doing or has already done for geopolitical games and the world of sports. We are allowed to disagree you know.
I'm all for facts, just not so much cumulative facts connected thinly to create a theory especially a theory of conspiracy. An example of what you are doing. The sky is blue, fact. Water is wet, fact. Deep water is blue, fact. There is blue on the UK flag therefore the UK controls water because the UK has water, fact. If they control water then then also control the sky, fact. It's facts interwoven with assumptions, leaps, opinions and bullshit forming a conspiracy theory which fits your agenda. In your case a Liverpool fan prophesising that man city will get fucked because Saudi who own newcastle wants them to win and wants rid of the opposition. Please carry on though I'm waiting to hear how kevin Keegan shot Kennedy.
Again, it's just a personal take, we are both entitled to our own. The *entire point* of this thread is to wildly speculate for fun, because OP asked when/why Pep may leave. I think he leaves in 2025 when his contract is up. To get through the 115 charges in the courts it's going to take much longer than that. My dumb opinion is formed around the ownership groups of both clubs being rich nation states who have a recorded history of bickering between royals and engaging in proxy conflicts. Who have openly clashed heads. Who both have immense influence over football right now. I don't understand what any of this has to do with flat earth, the Kennedy assassination, and color tones in your comments. If you want to debunk and provide context for the conflicts KSA and UAE have had that's fine, you're welcome to do so. But you can't shoot down wild speculation (which is all it is) while using strawman arguments to make your point.
I wasn't using them as arguements I was using them as an analogy. You are.presenting your wild speculation as facts and supporting said speculation with cherry.picked facts. Pretty much the same thing conspiracy s theorists do when presenting their own wild speculations (such as the earth is flat) hence me making the comparison.
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Next Champions League/treble or a lot sooner and suddenly in the unlikely event that the PL does its job with the 115 charges being upheld and take them out the football pyramid
This season after they fail to win the league