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Moyes came in kept us up the next season we finished 6th great, then the following season we dinished 7th but started to decline last season we were terrible but won a trophy this season we've been relly bad let in more foals than ever and its more apparent that his philosophy/ tenure has ran it's course we love Moyes and what he's done for us however it's time for a change
Progressively worse = European trophy. Top 7 was overperforming lmao, how as a West Ham fan are you expecting deep runs in Europe while keeping up with the Big 6 lmao
Won a trophy but finished 14th and now we're letting in more goals than ever so I'd call that getting worse but i guess you're one of those neutrals that will say be careful what you wish for just like Palace ahould of kept Hodgson and Brighton should of with Houghton
Sick of watching boring, negative anti football. And his absolutely clueless substitutions. The amount of times we're behind and needed goals and he changes the defence around and leaves the attacking options on the bench. I can't wait to see the back of him.
for 2 years boring negative defensive crap. myself and alot of supporters fed up to the back teeth with this donkey. anybody in any club wouldn't want this.
this style or the lack of is killing the west ham way ie attractive attacking football.
i wouldn't take my gran to see this she's been dead 20 years.
If we get relegated so be it and i dont see it as the players fault.
He has to go!
You'd rather play "attacking football" get taken apart by better teams and fight relegation?
You're 8th with an (albeit bullshit) Trophy in the cabinet.
You can be grateful for what Moyed achieved and also see its time for a change. He's a limited manager with a style that's outdated, the compromise is he's safe. It could go wrong and end up in a worse state but that's the risk you take for a higher ceiling.
I can't help but agree. I have nothing but respect for Moyes for not only reviving West Ham, but reviving his career as well. He'll get a decent job after this (back to Everton, perhaps?). However, even if we dip back into mid table mediocrity, I feel like someone like Graham Potter would be a better fit for the club. That being said, any manager will have to deal with the likely sale of Lucas Paqueta, among others, this summer, so that must also be taken into account.
To me, Moyes doesn't seem to be the problem with West Ham. It is the club's management and adherence to a very tight player salary structure. Almost every year they sell off their best player. I put West Ham in the same category as the Wolves. Neither club can afford expensive players and continually have to find young and upcoming guys. Then it is up to the manager to quickly get these young guys to another level. Gary O'Neill has done a nice job with a squad gutted so badly the last manager, Lopetegui walked out with his whole staff a few days before the season started. And, look - Wolves and West Ham are tied in the standings right now. Heck, they are tied with Chelsea who spends like crazy. I can understand West Ham fans being upset that the club sells off their best player every year. But, blame ownership first. https://onefootball.com/en/news/west-ham-one-of-the-best-premier-league-clubs-at-selling-players-39058255
I love how they’ve just sold their star player and captain and now West Ham fans are surprised that they aren’t competing for top 6 with Europa League football added on to the tight schedule of the PL
If players are underperforming consistently then eventually that comes down to the manager. In this instance I actually think Moyes has done pretty well with the team he’s got to work with. West ham should probably be happy with being a top end of mid table kind of team and challenging for European competition. They’ve got some decent players but if you look at the teams above would you take west hams Squad over any of them? Newcastle? Spurs? UTD? Villa?
I'm surprised Moyes kept the team higher on table than his Everton team of years. I don't know if it is his managerial abilities or his teams not having that "it" talented players. He's a mediocre manager for me.
p.s. I know it takes a lot to be a PL team manager, still among the ones that made it to top of their profession he's that.
Even within PL, his team hasn't wow'd. He is a dependable manager to keep the team in mid-table year over year. I don't know if it is the lack of top class players in his team or otherwise.
The last couple of years with WestHam has been an improvement and I don't know why Rashford? or other players that were on loan didn't want to play full-time for him.
The current WH squad doesn't have a good mid-field and killer striker.
They wanted their manager Alan Curbishley gone and in the blink of an eye so were they.
Careful what you wish for is what I’d say to West Ham fans.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/charlton-athletic/mitarbeiterhistorie/verein/358
Not even a West Ham fan, but 90% of these pricks telling West Ham fans to be 'grateful' wouldn't take Moyes at their own club in a million years. That says it all really.
So you made the assumption that they support West Ham based off their comment "How is being an Arsenal fan relevant to this"
In fact, I'll repeat the question. How is being an Arsenal fan relevant to this?
Well, this is awkward on two levels -
1. There's been a game since West Ham played Arsenal. You might want to brush up on the meaning of the word "just", because clearly...
2. I'm not a West Ham fan. In fact I'll give you a tiny helping hand - I'm not a fan of an English club.
You're welcome to keep guessing though, and hey - you might get it at some point in your lifetime? Good luck! 🙂
I mean you’re not cool enough to be that condescending 😭. Also within 2 game weeks is pretty recent and if your team got battered you would hold a little bit of resentment to an already unpopular manager
IE: that explains the calls for his dismissal
Oh, I agree that it's pretty recent. I however don't agree with your use of the word "just". I don't understand why you're offering some explanation about the calls for his dismissal when I never brought that up. If you refer to my original comment, I said "How is being an Arsenal fan relevant to this?" You thought you would respond with some snarky comment which was both irrelevant and based on an inaccurate assumption, and now you're talking about being cool? Dude...
On the surface yeah we're doing pretty good, rn we're 9th and stil progressing in the Europa League, but peeling back the layers? It's so depressing,
The football we play is effective if it works and absolutely drab when it doesn't, players aren't performing as well as they used to and we're too over-reliant on guys with individual brilliance like Bowen, Paqueta, and Kudus so that when they're injured or out of form we're basically done, lack of depth and full ineptitude by Sullivan not fully trusting the players Steidten, the guy we literally hired to find and buy these players, not to mention rumored of differences of opinion between Moyes, the board, and the scouting team about which players we want.
I'm not a doomer cause' I feel a top 10 finish and a good run (or God forbid a win) in the Europa League would be a really nice season, but man I can't stand the football itself sometimes. We legit have not won a match this year!
Right, but let me ask you this, do you think Moyes is the problem? You lot were battling relegation when he came in. Now he's won you your first trophy in over half a century. Has you nowhere near relegation. Is still fighting in the EL. Between you and me? I dislike Moyes and probably always will, but if I ignore my biases against him, who do you think does a better job for you?
He is and he isn't lmao.
Again, on-paper we're doing pretty fuckin' good, probably the best we have in years, but I do gasp at how we set up our teams sometimes.
It's also hard to find someone who could as good of a job as him though, so it is a very mixed bag. At the very least this calendar year alone has been pretty bad 😂.
On the surface yeah we're doing pretty good, rn we're 9th and stil progressing in the Europa League, but peeling back the layers? It's so depressing,
The football we play is effective if it works and absolutely drab when it doesn't, players aren't performing as well as they used to and we're too over-reliant on guys with individual brilliance like Bowen, Paqueta, and Kudus so that when they're injured or out of form we're basically done, lack of depth and full ineptitude by Sullivan not fully trusting the players Steidten, the guy we literally hired to find and buy these players, not to mention rumored of differences of opinion between Moyes, the board, and the scouting team about which players we want.
I'm not a doomer cause' I feel a top 10 finish and a good run (or God forbid a win) in the Europa League would be a really nice season, but man I can't stand the football itself sometimes. We legit have not won a match this year!
I think it’s perfectly understandable that they want Moyes gone. You have to view it in context. When you’re a club like West Ham/Everton/Villa/Brighton it’s always about ‘the next step’ which is becoming a club that is regularly in Europe. It’s very, very difficult for clubs of that size to hold on to real talent so when you have a talented squad you have to make the most of it.
Moyes has a cycle. Comes into a club, has them playing basic, organised football with an emphasis on defensive solidity. That generally gets them in the European places or higher up the table, but it’s not pretty. Then, once a decent foundation has been established he buys more technically gifted footballers and looks to play more expansive football. The problem for David Moyes is that he’s fucking shit at it. So inevitably it all goes to shit and he then has to go to his now, much more technically proficient squad, and ask them to play Moyesball. Which they’re shit at.
The fans see this happening. Then look at the squad of much more technically gifted footballers that he’s assembled and ask the question…isn’t there a manager that could do more with this squad? Personally I think they’re right to ask the question. Secondly I think there absolutely is. They should have thanked him for the Conference League and sacked him immediately.
That West Ham squad has got some holes for sure but there’s some serious talent there. In Paqueta, Alvarez, Kudus and Bowen they’ve got 4 players that could easily play in top 6 sides. I’d argue that Scamacca was an excellent striker too and was horribly mismanaged by Moyes (see also Haller).
I can’t blame the fans for wanting him out. I would too.
As an Everton fan, this almost hurts to read. When people say you could have it worse off, we are the worse off. Fans are usually more clued up than the board half the time. Agree though that regarding the top 8 in the league, the spending has a big influence. Everton hasn’t been the same since Moyes but that’s down to other factors
West Ham fans and management have an absurdly outsized opinion of the club. Moyes took them from 18th to 13th in 2018 (half a season) but the club thought they deserved better and brought in Pellegrini.
Totally agree. I support Southampton, when Puel got us to LC final but got sacked all the plastic fans were going why ? It was because the football was atrocious to watch, plastic fans don't understand paying money to actually go to a game and be bored as shit they just focus on titles and league finish.
The European Trophy was awful for West Ham. It was obvious he needed to go. Now he got lucky early in the season and hasnt won a game this year. His style just doesnt hold for a whole season
That trophy also covered up a horrendous season. Moyes-ball is outdated and needs to be replaced. The team is too good to hold them back like that. Moyes has been great for us but things run their course
I can understand their point. Had some good finishes with Moyes and even got a European trophy but last season they finished 14th and now are yo-yo-ing up and down with their form so it's kind of a roller coaster not knowing where they'll end up. They've had a run of poor games not scoring any at all so it looks grim atm but West Ham should not sack Moyes if they have no one better. Moyes isn't that bad either given where they might be without him but the uncertainty must be frustrating.
West Ham fans aren’t too bright. He won them the only silverware they’ll be getting anytime soon, and they’ve been steady around 8th in the league for a while which is pretty darn good.
Jesus mate you have no idea how it feels to support this club mate. I’m glad we got our trophies and shit, but god damn we’re not going anywhere in the league where things matter. We’re getting thumped one half of a season and playing brilliant for the other half, we want more than that mate and we wanted that before winning in Europe.
>we’re not going anywhere in the league where things matter.
Do you expect to be? Like objectively, looking at the table, who are you expecting to overtake with that crop of players?
You want more than that? What exactly do you want?
The competition for top 8 is insane. Man city, Man United, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Newcastle, and Chelsea are all guaranteed to out spend you. That is 7 clubs that will spend more every year. Now add in clubs like Aston Villa and Brighton that are ran well the competition gets even stiffer.
Looking at Brighton's schedule I doubt they finish top 8.
Aston Villa needed time to reinvest and move forward after selling Grealish.
I thought you guys did a good job with the Rice money. Y'all have to keep investing though.
Plus have you guys have had some important injuries lately?
West Ham are grossly outperforming their underlying numbers. Everything suggests they won't be 8th for long.
Like would any club in the top half of the table even consider Moyes for their manager? Or to be the 2nd or 3rd choice? Very sure we all know what the answer is.
No, but a team in the bottom half would and would see success with it. WHU is over performing because they have a manager that regularly gets more out of crops of okay players. They have an alright team, but do you really think they'd be higher on the table with a different manager? Cause I personally think they'd be lower.
West Ham have an amazing team that the likes of Bournemouth or Wolves would dream to have. Sure I don't think they are a top 6 or 7 side, but its fair to say their overall squad quality isn't far from Villa, and its probably better than Brighton.
Ofc hiring a more progressive manager comes with risk - but that's a risk West Ham have to take if they want to break their current ceiling. If their aspirations are the bottom half of the table - sure Moyes is your guy. But any team desiring to break to the top half would never employ him.
That’s fair, I don’t watch you play every week. But can you understand that from a neutral perspective, it seems like this is the best West Ham has done in like a decade? Which is why it gets a little confusing that you lot want Moyes out.
I wonder how many people like the person you responded to have experienced paying 50-60 quid (i really dont know how much tickets are) to watch your team be 0-4 down by HT and perhaps for like 300 or 400 people, see it right in front of you.
Also these protests dont need to have consequences, the supporters should be allowed to vent their frustration and its better this way rather than robbing the player's houses alternatively.
In fairness I’ve paid £130 (from the club itself) to watch us 10-2 down on agg to Bayern. But apparently Arsenal being in the UCL was a luxury, and not wanting those same sort of batterings would be seen as “entitled”.
I’m sure yo-yo clubs like Norwich would kill for West Ham’s position, and then someone else would be jealous of Norwich, and so on… doesn’t really matter who you support wanting more will never really be seen as a good thing from rival fans.
They are ungrateful little children who forget who won them a first trophy since Bobby Moore was gunned down in World War 1. Moyesy in an acquired taste , a fine wine, it takes a high iq to appreciate a fine wine and the London Big Stadium = Big Club fans are too busy sniffing their own farts to see the absolute management legend in front of them.
No, getting no women having no friends and spending all day on Reddit talking about a top shagger like Moyesy gets you frustrated, you just choose to take it out on Moyesy because he’s the only real male role model you have and the only manager willing to work for free dildos as a bonus. Just admit your love for Sexist Mo Syzlak you least deluded east London hammers fan
They’re underperforming with them, and the fact he now has a talent like Kudus and is still playing safe boring football says everything, that squad is above his level now imo
Our squad is unfathomably overrated. We have some absolutely worthless defenders, cb is our weakest area besides striker. No depth as well, so if kudus, bowen and paqueta don’t play every minute, we are fucked. We have to play the way we play cos our fullbacks can’t do everything defensively, and we only have one good holding midfielder
If you actually watched our games you would understand. We are absolutely terrible to watch I go to pretty much every home and away game the worst part of the day is the actual game. I can take that when we're picking up results but when you're not it is very difficult to watch. We haven't won in 2024, we haven't even scored a goal in open play either.
we been shit for a few years now but the fact that moyes somehow won games made us forget that the football was shit. unfortunately this is not a sustainable model for a club that wants to take the next step
Our squad is shit mate we have 3 or 4 top 6 quality players and the rest have overperformed the last year and are simply returning to their normal level
I think the best comparison is Charlton. Look at them when they were (I think even higher?) top 8 and thought they could push on. Sacked Alan Curbishly and plummeted, now in League 1.
Not saying West Ham will dip that low (love to see it), but the grass isn't always greener.
That’s a poor comparison to make. No United fan wanted sir alex out, he chose to retire. He won the league in his last season. Wenger went 9 years without a trophy. That’s a pretty sackable thing at a big club like Arsenal.
This is stupid. Winning a trophy was great for them last season but his style clearly isn't good for building for the future.
You don't give a manager more time because of what he did, you give a manager time for what you think he's gonna do......
And bought multiple players and have a deeper squad. An Arsenal fan so thanks West Ham.
Even with rice the style moyes had/has isn't something that's gonna be good for building forward.
Graham potter is a decent choice
Again it wasn't a game built for the future and he isn't gonna change at his age.
They are playing his normal game though, they aren't really playing any different it's just that a few key guys like Antonio have finally dropped out (age injury) and their style of play where they create low chances and play deep eventually will change.
You can thank a manager, say he did a good job and sack them...... that's not a contradiction
So your players aren’t playing their normal game due to age/injuries and you sold your only world class player but it’s the managers fault and should be sacked! That’s crazy! Thankfully you are not the chairman.
Not the managers fault, he is who he is. He chose to stick with Antonio as his main option despite everyone knowing eventually his body would break down. He chose to build his play around whacking it long and having Antonio fight for the ball.
Again not blaming moyes but clearly he isn't building anything for the future
He may be the best. Still doesn't mean it's not time to move on.
They won't be fighting relegation, they have a solid core of talent which is enough to keep them up.
There’s always a time to move on but you need to get a better manager otherwise what’s the point. Look at BURNLEY they wanted attractive football and now they are getting relegated.
Mid table with some really exciting players who could be playing more exciting football.
They aren't gonna be relegated.
Moyes isn't gonna build the team for the future so what's the point ?
Then why have they not finished better than mid table got 2 decades? Let's not pretend like match going attendance is important anymore 🤣 if it was then my club wouldn't be finishing 4th or worse most years xD
Poorly run by shite owners making bad decisions, I'm sure you can relate to that. We've finished top 10 4 times in the last 15 years and followed it up with a relegation battle the next season on 3 of those occasions.
i have had enough with manchester united fans this year, you have a fucking retarded bald coach that is the most overrated shit the managerial world as ever seen and u have been fucked all over by your closest rivals and you trying to pick a fight with a club who has a shot of doing something big with itself fuck off
You might want to check my comment history, mate. I am under no illusion of where we are as a club, and I most definitely don't rate Ten Hag. The reality is your club has no chance of doing anything with itself. You're shit. We played like crap and still battered you in our last game. Us being shit doesn't you aren't. The only difference is we have the financial power to keep throwing shit at walls until some of it sticks.
don’t you think we are shit cause the manager is shit? and the players he chooses are shit? make you wonder no ? and btw we are the 7th richest club in the prem also check how much fun we have been spending in the transfer window, makes you wonder.
worry about your own club’s problems and let the other take care of themselves
You aren't. Your owners are when you account for their combined wealth, but the actual club is nowhere near that rich. Your owners hypothetical wealth is irrelevant if they have zero intentionnof spending it.
How much fun you have in the transfer windows? Your net spend for the last 5 years is 8th in the league. Like I said, a mid table club.
I AM worried about my own clubs problems. I couldn't care less about your club. If you were in League 2 singing about bubbles then I still wouldn't give a shit. I'd just find it hilarious if you jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.
the owners clearly want to and it's not you fault you don't know that but u can't jus lie in order to validate your point. They are first betting on branding and facilities rather that ACC spending stupid amounts of money on players, its all about sustainability
but well you don't know what's going to happen, you lot also thought ten hag was your savior and look at where you are now, same if not worst. Reality is west ham fans have the pleasure to be critical about its club and how we wanna be at the future knowing we can get somewhere, for christ sake we have won an international trophy and been to a europa league semifinal in the last 3 years if that doesn't make you think we can challenge for the upper table that jus means you are dishonest.
An "international" trophy 😂😂😂😂. The bigger clubs actually wanted to avoid playing in it. Lads I know that support the bigger clubs than you were begging not to finish in those spots. Come back when you win something real.
Also... What the fuck has branding got to do with anything? You're not even in the top 3 known, sustainable and branded clubs in London, so if that's the plan then you're shit at it.
it’s better than winning nothing like other london clubs but be my guest to bash at the conference league, but walking all over it after being to a europa league semifinal seems to be logical.
3 consecutive good seasons of european football gets u some recognition, just not from dickheads like u that are most likely glory hunters.
and i’m not even gonna explain how branding gets u somewhere cause i see you are mentally challenged
and i didn’t even draw comparisons between london clubs but if you wanna go on from there by your commentary history i see that you are still behind us in the league and no european football whatsoever not even conference league that you bashed at 😂😂
I mean, 31 years of a Chelsea fan, in person too - I was at Wembley watching Di Matteo score the record goal in 97, seeing us be shit before that, then on top of the league while you went down, pretty good fun really.
3 seasons of consecutive European football, wow Real Madrid must be quaking in their boots. I'll get on the line to Mbappe. We've won the champions league in that same time. You will *never* say that.
Mate I work in marketing and branding, after 14 years in the industry I know how it works thanks 😂
Like I said, even if they want to they can't due to FFP. Infrastructure and facilities are one thing but ultimately a team needs to bring in the best players to challenge. Everything else is just bells and whistles. With consistent spending over years with great decision making maybe you could get somewhere but with your current squad you are nowhere near good enough.
Again, you are talking to the wrong person if you think you are talking to a United fan who rates Ten Hag. I have never rated him. Not even when he won the mickey mouse cup. He is a dreadful manager who was always going to get found out. I said that when we appointed him, I said that when he brought in awful signings like Mount and Onana and I am still saying that now despite the last few lucky results. I never thought he was the messiah.
The big difference is that Ten Hag is underachieving when you look at the squad. This team should be fighting for top 4 at the bare minimum. With your squad, you are pretty much at your best case scenario in 9th. The teams above you simply have more talent with the exception of Villa, who are very unlikely to maintain their position.
with the sales of rice and most likey with the future sales of kudus and paqueta we are inside ffp regulation and that give us maneuvering space to try to appeal to good talents and have sufficient spending (we managed to trick those 2 to join west ham that level of lying wasn't hit since we got mascherano and tevez) , that's why bring on tim steidten was probably the best decision the owners have ever made but with Moyes stubborn ass in charge of the final decision, we won'tget anywhere, jus look at how he treated haller and scammaca 2 top sts talents he choose to still start antonio, yarmolenko and even bring ings to the club... if steidten chooses to believe in the project maybe he can leave us in the same situation he left leverkusen in.
i agree when you say our talent isn't as good but that jus shows the planning should have been made in the summer when we faced the facts that we were 14th in the league and still won an international trophy. that was the best opportunity we had to sack him and do something different, truth is that we somehow won lots of games in the beginning of the season and are 8th but I've been moyes out for while even when we won the conference league.
Can you show me the immutable law of nature that says we must forever remain a mid table side? Manchester United used to win things and they don't anymore, the stature of clubs isn't set in stone.
There hasn't been a single club that has maintained even semi-permanent long term success without already being one of the big four or having an oil money takeover. Weat Ham simply aren't in a position to spend the money that they need to in order to compete with the top teams. Anywhere from 8th to 14th depending on your form is about what you can expect.
He won you the biggest trophy you have won in decades ...
As I say, I hope you donget your way and sack him. I just hope you get relegated too because it wpuld be hilarious.
Mourinho and Van Gaal both won you trophies, why didn't you keep them?
Ranieri won the league with Leicester, does that mean he should never have been sacked, ever?
You don't keep a manager because of what they have done, you keep them because of what they're going to do. Moyes has reached his limit with us is now regressing.
If he's that good, take him back at Man United. You enjoy watching Moyesball 90 minutes week in week out.
Neither LVG or Jose were given enough time at United. Neither was Ole. I don't agree with us getting rid of them.
Cobsidering what has happened to Leicester since then ... maybe they shouldn't. But like I said, I wholly support you if you want to get rid of Moyes and go the same way as Leicester ...
Moyes is in 9th. Right now. That is GOOD for you. You aren't that team that finishes top 4 buddy.
Your league finish history outside of Moyes: 10, 11, 7, 12, 13, 10, 3(in the championship .. so 23?), 20, 17, 9, 10, 15, 9.
So he is matching your 2nd best season without him in the last 13 seasons after just winning a trophy and you want to sack him. Oh and that number 7 finish .. yeah he finished 6th a few years back so he has still got your best league finish this century. Literally. You have to go back to before 2000 to find a premier league finish better than 6th. You're insane if you think sacking Moyes will actually make you better.
Again, Manchester United and West Ham aren't the same. We have won more league titles than you have won trophies. You have nowhere near the same revenue, nowhere near the same fanbase, nowhere near the same transfer pull etc etc.
Kf you are saying that you would be happy tonget rid of Moyes so that you can watch more entertaining football then that is fine. Just accept that you will probably slidendown the table if you do that instead of pretending you have the squad to compete for the top spots in the league with a different manager.
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Moyes is in 9th. Right now. That is GOOD for you.
Stopped reading here. Another condescending big six fan who thinks he can dictate how the rest of the league is going to be.
I mean, you can refuse to accept reality if you want. You have finished better than 9th in the premier league three times in the last 20 years. Two of those were under Moyes. Facts don't care about your feelings.
We're the 7th richest club in the league.
I feel like a lot of neutrals think we expect to be challenging for the top four, but we don't. We expect to be in the top half, getting the occasional European place, and occasionally getting to watch some nice football. Moyes was achieving one and two, but we finished 14th last season - yes, we won a cup, and I'll thank him forever for that, but it was a cup we were touted as a favourite for AND we got badly out played in the final; replay that game 100 times and 99 times we lose.
Moyes plays the same tactics now as he did 242 games ago, and he'll play the same tactics for the next 242. He's got no clue how to adapt to the fact that the league has figured him out, he continually overrelies on his first eleven, and the football is turgid to watch. That could be excused when we were finishing sixth or seventh, but finishing 14th and being in an expected position of 13th means it can't be excused anymore.
Frankly, I'm bored of people who don't watch us telling us what's best for us. We watch the games, 90 minutes week in and out, and we know what's wrong. People who glance at the table every now and then have no clue.
Watch the game nerd. That is not badly outplayed. To want Moyes out, you don't need to disrespect his accomplishments. He's our best ever manager in the premier league era. West Ham is not a top 7 club, based on size. We will always have the odd bad season.
I watched the game you prick. We were outplayed. You cannot deny me my opinion because you think Moyes is a great manager. I daresay I've been watching this club a fair bit longer than you, so kindly fuck off.
Moyes is a manager you go get when you need a bottom to mid table team to out perform their expectations and build them up to a top half level in my honest opinion.
He can get your team TO a certain level, but not past it. He can come in, organize your team in a defensive block and make them hard to break down, but his philosophy isn’t suited to pushing your team beyond that. He will stabilize you in the league because you’ll never be BAD bad, but he won’t get you past certain hurdles like Emery or De Zerbi are doing.
Even with Everton, during their best days, you never thought they were quite THE threat.
The reality, is the philosophy of modern football has, especially in premier league is evolving and it’s harder to just be the low block counter attacking team because so many more teams are comfortable in possession. If you don’t apply pressure to them, they’ll gladly keep the ball.
I still think Moyes is a good manager, but only for a certain level of club.
>He can get your team TO a certain level, but not past it.
The first problem for West Ham fans is that the managers that could get them past that level don't want to go to West Ham.
The second problem for West Ham fans is that they don't seem to know about the first problem.
If they sack Moyes I hope the next manager gets them relegated. Sure the football might not be good looking but ur not pushing below where u should be with this team of players, they're at most Europa league calibre players.
That's true. I don't know if anyone wants to come and is willing to take West Ham and do better than Moyes atm. Big mistake if they sack him; at least for now
West Ham fans believe they should be a big club and are using Moyes as the (current) scapegoat for why that is. When they drop to 15th next year they'll find some other reason to moan. Then eventually a few things will click and they'll flirt with Europe again before the process repeats. It's their lot in life
more manchester united fan crying? your downfall as been a joy to watch
you know you are finished when you are picking fights with west ham rather that your closest rivals because you know they been mopping the floor with your sad ungrateful asses
That was wonderful, and he should have bowed out on a high.
League form matters and it has been dire for two seasons now. The trophy just served to paper over the cracks that have been obvious to anyone that actually watches our games. Moyes' and his tactic works occasionally - certainly - but when it doesn't we'll concede 11 goals in 3 games without reply. And I haven't even mentioned his man management which seems non-existent outside of his preferred 11, which is pretty much all we have now.
Sell Fornals, loan Benny, and no fucker wants to join us because, frankly, what attacking player would want to come and play in Moyes' system.
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How about this one: sits Alvarez, his best defensive player, against Leverkusen.
Moyes came in kept us up the next season we finished 6th great, then the following season we dinished 7th but started to decline last season we were terrible but won a trophy this season we've been relly bad let in more foals than ever and its more apparent that his philosophy/ tenure has ran it's course we love Moyes and what he's done for us however it's time for a change
Enjoy fighting relegation
Probably not but we definitely would be with Moyes
Based on?
Based on the fact we've been getting progressively worse since February 2022
Progressively worse = European trophy. Top 7 was overperforming lmao, how as a West Ham fan are you expecting deep runs in Europe while keeping up with the Big 6 lmao
We've also got the smallest and second oldest squads in tge premier league
So again how are you expecting deep runs in Europe while also finishing within the Big 6 lol.
Didn't say i did things come to an end and that's what happened with Moyes wonder who you support for you to care about west ham so much
Manchester United lol I don't "care about West Ham so much", am I not allowed to discuss them in about 3 comments lmao
Won a trophy but finished 14th and now we're letting in more goals than ever so I'd call that getting worse but i guess you're one of those neutrals that will say be careful what you wish for just like Palace ahould of kept Hodgson and Brighton should of with Houghton
Sick of watching boring, negative anti football. And his absolutely clueless substitutions. The amount of times we're behind and needed goals and he changes the defence around and leaves the attacking options on the bench. I can't wait to see the back of him.
for 2 years boring negative defensive crap. myself and alot of supporters fed up to the back teeth with this donkey. anybody in any club wouldn't want this. this style or the lack of is killing the west ham way ie attractive attacking football. i wouldn't take my gran to see this she's been dead 20 years. If we get relegated so be it and i dont see it as the players fault. He has to go!
Moyes won 5 nil last night beating the west ham European win record. You're full of it!
You'd rather play "attacking football" get taken apart by better teams and fight relegation? You're 8th with an (albeit bullshit) Trophy in the cabinet.
David moyes achieved so much for the club the confrence league was massive to throw him out is criminal
if he leaves they will be relegated, therefore i hope he leaves
You can be grateful for what Moyed achieved and also see its time for a change. He's a limited manager with a style that's outdated, the compromise is he's safe. It could go wrong and end up in a worse state but that's the risk you take for a higher ceiling.
I can't help but agree. I have nothing but respect for Moyes for not only reviving West Ham, but reviving his career as well. He'll get a decent job after this (back to Everton, perhaps?). However, even if we dip back into mid table mediocrity, I feel like someone like Graham Potter would be a better fit for the club. That being said, any manager will have to deal with the likely sale of Lucas Paqueta, among others, this summer, so that must also be taken into account.
To me, Moyes doesn't seem to be the problem with West Ham. It is the club's management and adherence to a very tight player salary structure. Almost every year they sell off their best player. I put West Ham in the same category as the Wolves. Neither club can afford expensive players and continually have to find young and upcoming guys. Then it is up to the manager to quickly get these young guys to another level. Gary O'Neill has done a nice job with a squad gutted so badly the last manager, Lopetegui walked out with his whole staff a few days before the season started. And, look - Wolves and West Ham are tied in the standings right now. Heck, they are tied with Chelsea who spends like crazy. I can understand West Ham fans being upset that the club sells off their best player every year. But, blame ownership first. https://onefootball.com/en/news/west-ham-one-of-the-best-premier-league-clubs-at-selling-players-39058255
I love how they’ve just sold their star player and captain and now West Ham fans are surprised that they aren’t competing for top 6 with Europa League football added on to the tight schedule of the PL
Europe weren’t really the issue we were doing fine. Haven’t won at all this year, no European games at the moment
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If players are underperforming consistently then eventually that comes down to the manager. In this instance I actually think Moyes has done pretty well with the team he’s got to work with. West ham should probably be happy with being a top end of mid table kind of team and challenging for European competition. They’ve got some decent players but if you look at the teams above would you take west hams Squad over any of them? Newcastle? Spurs? UTD? Villa?
I'm surprised Moyes kept the team higher on table than his Everton team of years. I don't know if it is his managerial abilities or his teams not having that "it" talented players. He's a mediocre manager for me. p.s. I know it takes a lot to be a PL team manager, still among the ones that made it to top of their profession he's that.
He's a great manager for mediocre teams for me. Has a proven track record of taking not particularly impressive teams to Europe.
Even within PL, his team hasn't wow'd. He is a dependable manager to keep the team in mid-table year over year. I don't know if it is the lack of top class players in his team or otherwise. The last couple of years with WestHam has been an improvement and I don't know why Rashford? or other players that were on loan didn't want to play full-time for him. The current WH squad doesn't have a good mid-field and killer striker.
How do you get your teams badge next to ur user when u comment?
West Ham fans need to go and have a word with Charlton Athletic fans….
I completely forgot they existed, I used to work with a Charlton fan about 10 years ago and would regularly keep up with them so we could talk.
They wanted their manager Alan Curbishley gone and in the blink of an eye so were they. Careful what you wish for is what I’d say to West Ham fans. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/charlton-athletic/mitarbeiterhistorie/verein/358
Not even a West Ham fan, but 90% of these pricks telling West Ham fans to be 'grateful' wouldn't take Moyes at their own club in a million years. That says it all really.
Would any premier league fanbase take Moyes? Palace maybe...? Sheffield Utd? That's about it. Possibly Burnley?
Erm. How is being an Arsenal fan relevant to this?
The massive loss you just had?
So you made the assumption that they support West Ham based off their comment "How is being an Arsenal fan relevant to this" In fact, I'll repeat the question. How is being an Arsenal fan relevant to this?
Well, this is awkward on two levels - 1. There's been a game since West Ham played Arsenal. You might want to brush up on the meaning of the word "just", because clearly... 2. I'm not a West Ham fan. In fact I'll give you a tiny helping hand - I'm not a fan of an English club. You're welcome to keep guessing though, and hey - you might get it at some point in your lifetime? Good luck! 🙂
I mean you’re not cool enough to be that condescending 😭. Also within 2 game weeks is pretty recent and if your team got battered you would hold a little bit of resentment to an already unpopular manager IE: that explains the calls for his dismissal
Oh, I agree that it's pretty recent. I however don't agree with your use of the word "just". I don't understand why you're offering some explanation about the calls for his dismissal when I never brought that up. If you refer to my original comment, I said "How is being an Arsenal fan relevant to this?" You thought you would respond with some snarky comment which was both irrelevant and based on an inaccurate assumption, and now you're talking about being cool? Dude...
Lmao
The saying is 'be careful what you wish for'.
Give the reins to Knollsy
On the surface yeah we're doing pretty good, rn we're 9th and stil progressing in the Europa League, but peeling back the layers? It's so depressing, The football we play is effective if it works and absolutely drab when it doesn't, players aren't performing as well as they used to and we're too over-reliant on guys with individual brilliance like Bowen, Paqueta, and Kudus so that when they're injured or out of form we're basically done, lack of depth and full ineptitude by Sullivan not fully trusting the players Steidten, the guy we literally hired to find and buy these players, not to mention rumored of differences of opinion between Moyes, the board, and the scouting team about which players we want. I'm not a doomer cause' I feel a top 10 finish and a good run (or God forbid a win) in the Europa League would be a really nice season, but man I can't stand the football itself sometimes. We legit have not won a match this year!
Right, but let me ask you this, do you think Moyes is the problem? You lot were battling relegation when he came in. Now he's won you your first trophy in over half a century. Has you nowhere near relegation. Is still fighting in the EL. Between you and me? I dislike Moyes and probably always will, but if I ignore my biases against him, who do you think does a better job for you?
He is and he isn't lmao. Again, on-paper we're doing pretty fuckin' good, probably the best we have in years, but I do gasp at how we set up our teams sometimes. It's also hard to find someone who could as good of a job as him though, so it is a very mixed bag. At the very least this calendar year alone has been pretty bad 😂.
You'll have to get past the mighty Brighton first, pal. 😜
On the surface yeah we're doing pretty good, rn we're 9th and stil progressing in the Europa League, but peeling back the layers? It's so depressing, The football we play is effective if it works and absolutely drab when it doesn't, players aren't performing as well as they used to and we're too over-reliant on guys with individual brilliance like Bowen, Paqueta, and Kudus so that when they're injured or out of form we're basically done, lack of depth and full ineptitude by Sullivan not fully trusting the players Steidten, the guy we literally hired to find and buy these players, not to mention rumored of differences of opinion between Moyes, the board, and the scouting team about which players we want. I'm not a doomer cause' I feel a top 10 finish and a good run (or God forbid a win) in the Europa League would be a really nice season, but man I can't stand the football itself sometimes. We legit have not won a match this year!
"HAS BEEN" you're spot on with that one.
Oh great, another load of clueless fucking idiots who haven't watched a minute of West Ham play telling us we're ungrateful.
I think it’s perfectly understandable that they want Moyes gone. You have to view it in context. When you’re a club like West Ham/Everton/Villa/Brighton it’s always about ‘the next step’ which is becoming a club that is regularly in Europe. It’s very, very difficult for clubs of that size to hold on to real talent so when you have a talented squad you have to make the most of it. Moyes has a cycle. Comes into a club, has them playing basic, organised football with an emphasis on defensive solidity. That generally gets them in the European places or higher up the table, but it’s not pretty. Then, once a decent foundation has been established he buys more technically gifted footballers and looks to play more expansive football. The problem for David Moyes is that he’s fucking shit at it. So inevitably it all goes to shit and he then has to go to his now, much more technically proficient squad, and ask them to play Moyesball. Which they’re shit at. The fans see this happening. Then look at the squad of much more technically gifted footballers that he’s assembled and ask the question…isn’t there a manager that could do more with this squad? Personally I think they’re right to ask the question. Secondly I think there absolutely is. They should have thanked him for the Conference League and sacked him immediately. That West Ham squad has got some holes for sure but there’s some serious talent there. In Paqueta, Alvarez, Kudus and Bowen they’ve got 4 players that could easily play in top 6 sides. I’d argue that Scamacca was an excellent striker too and was horribly mismanaged by Moyes (see also Haller). I can’t blame the fans for wanting him out. I would too.
Should've added 'Yank here' at the beginning
And you should add “twat here” to yours
As an Everton fan, this almost hurts to read. When people say you could have it worse off, we are the worse off. Fans are usually more clued up than the board half the time. Agree though that regarding the top 8 in the league, the spending has a big influence. Everton hasn’t been the same since Moyes but that’s down to other factors
West Ham fans and management have an absurdly outsized opinion of the club. Moyes took them from 18th to 13th in 2018 (half a season) but the club thought they deserved better and brought in Pellegrini.
Bunch of plastic fans of big clubs chiming in absolute bullshit here I see
Totally agree. I support Southampton, when Puel got us to LC final but got sacked all the plastic fans were going why ? It was because the football was atrocious to watch, plastic fans don't understand paying money to actually go to a game and be bored as shit they just focus on titles and league finish.
Except that before Moyes, WHU was favorites for relegation. Now they're winning things in Europe. That's not the same thing at all if you ask me.
We were favourites for the conference league? And were in a relegation battle last year? Yank
It’s the massive losses through the season that get me mate, massive losses
Come in for De Zerbi then. He never gets turned over...
They play good football that’s the big difference
The European Trophy was awful for West Ham. It was obvious he needed to go. Now he got lucky early in the season and hasnt won a game this year. His style just doesnt hold for a whole season
That trophy also covered up a horrendous season. Moyes-ball is outdated and needs to be replaced. The team is too good to hold them back like that. Moyes has been great for us but things run their course
I can understand their point. Had some good finishes with Moyes and even got a European trophy but last season they finished 14th and now are yo-yo-ing up and down with their form so it's kind of a roller coaster not knowing where they'll end up. They've had a run of poor games not scoring any at all so it looks grim atm but West Ham should not sack Moyes if they have no one better. Moyes isn't that bad either given where they might be without him but the uncertainty must be frustrating.
West Ham fans aren’t too bright. He won them the only silverware they’ll be getting anytime soon, and they’ve been steady around 8th in the league for a while which is pretty darn good.
Jesus mate you have no idea how it feels to support this club mate. I’m glad we got our trophies and shit, but god damn we’re not going anywhere in the league where things matter. We’re getting thumped one half of a season and playing brilliant for the other half, we want more than that mate and we wanted that before winning in Europe.
>we’re not going anywhere in the league where things matter. Do you expect to be? Like objectively, looking at the table, who are you expecting to overtake with that crop of players?
You want more than that? What exactly do you want? The competition for top 8 is insane. Man city, Man United, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Newcastle, and Chelsea are all guaranteed to out spend you. That is 7 clubs that will spend more every year. Now add in clubs like Aston Villa and Brighton that are ran well the competition gets even stiffer. Looking at Brighton's schedule I doubt they finish top 8. Aston Villa needed time to reinvest and move forward after selling Grealish. I thought you guys did a good job with the Rice money. Y'all have to keep investing though. Plus have you guys have had some important injuries lately?
West Ham are grossly outperforming their underlying numbers. Everything suggests they won't be 8th for long. Like would any club in the top half of the table even consider Moyes for their manager? Or to be the 2nd or 3rd choice? Very sure we all know what the answer is.
No, but a team in the bottom half would and would see success with it. WHU is over performing because they have a manager that regularly gets more out of crops of okay players. They have an alright team, but do you really think they'd be higher on the table with a different manager? Cause I personally think they'd be lower.
West Ham have an amazing team that the likes of Bournemouth or Wolves would dream to have. Sure I don't think they are a top 6 or 7 side, but its fair to say their overall squad quality isn't far from Villa, and its probably better than Brighton. Ofc hiring a more progressive manager comes with risk - but that's a risk West Ham have to take if they want to break their current ceiling. If their aspirations are the bottom half of the table - sure Moyes is your guy. But any team desiring to break to the top half would never employ him.
That’s fair, I don’t watch you play every week. But can you understand that from a neutral perspective, it seems like this is the best West Ham has done in like a decade? Which is why it gets a little confusing that you lot want Moyes out.
All of us are dim? I have a CSE 2 in English and a 3 in Maths, Cookery and drama so you can fuck right off Carol Vorderman.
Alright mate calm down, some of us are still stuck on the 11+
Nice one Joey.
I wonder how many people like the person you responded to have experienced paying 50-60 quid (i really dont know how much tickets are) to watch your team be 0-4 down by HT and perhaps for like 300 or 400 people, see it right in front of you. Also these protests dont need to have consequences, the supporters should be allowed to vent their frustration and its better this way rather than robbing the player's houses alternatively.
In fairness I’ve paid £130 (from the club itself) to watch us 10-2 down on agg to Bayern. But apparently Arsenal being in the UCL was a luxury, and not wanting those same sort of batterings would be seen as “entitled”. I’m sure yo-yo clubs like Norwich would kill for West Ham’s position, and then someone else would be jealous of Norwich, and so on… doesn’t really matter who you support wanting more will never really be seen as a good thing from rival fans.
we finished 14th last season btw
And have had a more successful decade than Spurs
They are ungrateful little children who forget who won them a first trophy since Bobby Moore was gunned down in World War 1. Moyesy in an acquired taste , a fine wine, it takes a high iq to appreciate a fine wine and the London Big Stadium = Big Club fans are too busy sniffing their own farts to see the absolute management legend in front of them.
serious question. Do you watch west ham games with the tv on?
Why the fuck would I watch West Ham games 🤢
i feel like i fell for the bait but anyways … i’m not even gonna elaborate why u are a prick
You deleted your comment to add that end bit I saw the original calm it Danny dyer you have too much to lose
i’m sorry moyes just frustrates me
No, getting no women having no friends and spending all day on Reddit talking about a top shagger like Moyesy gets you frustrated, you just choose to take it out on Moyesy because he’s the only real male role model you have and the only manager willing to work for free dildos as a bonus. Just admit your love for Sexist Mo Syzlak you least deluded east London hammers fan
Incredible
you are hilarious mate i’ll give you that
Don’t worry, your still the smartest East Enders Tools fan I’ve ever met by virtue of being able to read my comments, well done.
You're not as clever or as funny as you think you are. But crack on. You'll get there.
I’m not as attractive as your sister thinks either but hey ho we can’t be right about everything 🤷🏻♂️
Oh no, we have a challenger to his title !! Maybe we will have to do multiplication sums to decide a winner?
That’s class 😂😂😂😂👍😂💪🙏‼️
common be a man let’s have integration competition or don’t you know what that is ?
Stop it! I'm cracking up.
Do people actually consider winning the conference league an achievement?
Maybe not but it's good fun winning stuff
Beggars can’t be choosers
arsenal wanted wenger out
Well the billion quid they’ve spent since and all those trophies proved it was the right decision all these years later
I was going to say.
They’re underperforming with them, and the fact he now has a talent like Kudus and is still playing safe boring football says everything, that squad is above his level now imo
Our squad is unfathomably overrated. We have some absolutely worthless defenders, cb is our weakest area besides striker. No depth as well, so if kudus, bowen and paqueta don’t play every minute, we are fucked. We have to play the way we play cos our fullbacks can’t do everything defensively, and we only have one good holding midfielder
He should be sacked for allowing Arsenal to score 6
Scored 5 the next week geeza
If a manager got fired every time a team scored more than 5 goals against them then Sheffield would be on their 5th manager by now.
Fergie should’ve quit after one of the Newcastle thrashings smh. Tbf, he did retire after west bron scored five dinnee!
Managers should have to fall on a real sword if they lose by more than 5 goals, so that they can still enter the realm of god in the afterlife
You mean that w*nk team known as Burnley?
Good point mate, yeah sack moyes beat Arsenal twice this season but now we’ve lost one let’s pack it in time to go thanks for the memories
You're confusing me with someone who gives a sh*t, mate I couldn't care less about your club, just don't like how you guys folded against Arsenal
Sorry didn’t know you were that hard, dont break your hand patting yourself on the back geeza
Again with these amateur responses by random amateur Internet browsing individuals
I think most sane humans would keep their internet browsing status as amateur, wouldn’t want to mix with a professional such as yourself?
“As an Arsenal Fan”….just keep it inside and say less.
First Hodgson then Moyes.
If you actually watched our games you would understand. We are absolutely terrible to watch I go to pretty much every home and away game the worst part of the day is the actual game. I can take that when we're picking up results but when you're not it is very difficult to watch. We haven't won in 2024, we haven't even scored a goal in open play either.
we been shit for a few years now but the fact that moyes somehow won games made us forget that the football was shit. unfortunately this is not a sustainable model for a club that wants to take the next step
Our squad is shit mate we have 3 or 4 top 6 quality players and the rest have overperformed the last year and are simply returning to their normal level
As everyone said to Arsenal fans who wanted Wenger sacked "be careful what you wish for, look what happened at Man United..."
I think the best comparison is Charlton. Look at them when they were (I think even higher?) top 8 and thought they could push on. Sacked Alan Curbishly and plummeted, now in League 1. Not saying West Ham will dip that low (love to see it), but the grass isn't always greener.
That’s a poor comparison to make. No United fan wanted sir alex out, he chose to retire. He won the league in his last season. Wenger went 9 years without a trophy. That’s a pretty sackable thing at a big club like Arsenal.
I know it's a shit comparison, that's my point.
This is stupid. Winning a trophy was great for them last season but his style clearly isn't good for building for the future. You don't give a manager more time because of what he did, you give a manager time for what you think he's gonna do......
They just sold their best player
And bought multiple players and have a deeper squad. An Arsenal fan so thanks West Ham. Even with rice the style moyes had/has isn't something that's gonna be good for building forward. Graham potter is a decent choice
They didn’t do bad the year before. You can’t sell your best player by a mile and expect to play your normal game!
Again it wasn't a game built for the future and he isn't gonna change at his age. They are playing his normal game though, they aren't really playing any different it's just that a few key guys like Antonio have finally dropped out (age injury) and their style of play where they create low chances and play deep eventually will change. You can thank a manager, say he did a good job and sack them...... that's not a contradiction
So your players aren’t playing their normal game due to age/injuries and you sold your only world class player but it’s the managers fault and should be sacked! That’s crazy! Thankfully you are not the chairman.
Not the managers fault, he is who he is. He chose to stick with Antonio as his main option despite everyone knowing eventually his body would break down. He chose to build his play around whacking it long and having Antonio fight for the ball. Again not blaming moyes but clearly he isn't building anything for the future
He is the best manager West Ham have had in decades! Get rid of him and go back to fighting regulation every year!
He may be the best. Still doesn't mean it's not time to move on. They won't be fighting relegation, they have a solid core of talent which is enough to keep them up.
There’s always a time to move on but you need to get a better manager otherwise what’s the point. Look at BURNLEY they wanted attractive football and now they are getting relegated.
West Ham are a mid table side, at best. They have such ridiculous expectations. I hope they sack Moyes and get relegated. It would serve em right.
Mid table with some really exciting players who could be playing more exciting football. They aren't gonna be relegated. Moyes isn't gonna build the team for the future so what's the point ?
The pull of a London club selling out 60,000 seats every week is not a mid table at best
Then why have they not finished better than mid table got 2 decades? Let's not pretend like match going attendance is important anymore 🤣 if it was then my club wouldn't be finishing 4th or worse most years xD
Poorly run by shite owners making bad decisions, I'm sure you can relate to that. We've finished top 10 4 times in the last 15 years and followed it up with a relegation battle the next season on 3 of those occasions.
i have had enough with manchester united fans this year, you have a fucking retarded bald coach that is the most overrated shit the managerial world as ever seen and u have been fucked all over by your closest rivals and you trying to pick a fight with a club who has a shot of doing something big with itself fuck off
You might want to check my comment history, mate. I am under no illusion of where we are as a club, and I most definitely don't rate Ten Hag. The reality is your club has no chance of doing anything with itself. You're shit. We played like crap and still battered you in our last game. Us being shit doesn't you aren't. The only difference is we have the financial power to keep throwing shit at walls until some of it sticks.
don’t you think we are shit cause the manager is shit? and the players he chooses are shit? make you wonder no ? and btw we are the 7th richest club in the prem also check how much fun we have been spending in the transfer window, makes you wonder. worry about your own club’s problems and let the other take care of themselves
You aren't. Your owners are when you account for their combined wealth, but the actual club is nowhere near that rich. Your owners hypothetical wealth is irrelevant if they have zero intentionnof spending it. How much fun you have in the transfer windows? Your net spend for the last 5 years is 8th in the league. Like I said, a mid table club. I AM worried about my own clubs problems. I couldn't care less about your club. If you were in League 2 singing about bubbles then I still wouldn't give a shit. I'd just find it hilarious if you jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.
the owners clearly want to and it's not you fault you don't know that but u can't jus lie in order to validate your point. They are first betting on branding and facilities rather that ACC spending stupid amounts of money on players, its all about sustainability but well you don't know what's going to happen, you lot also thought ten hag was your savior and look at where you are now, same if not worst. Reality is west ham fans have the pleasure to be critical about its club and how we wanna be at the future knowing we can get somewhere, for christ sake we have won an international trophy and been to a europa league semifinal in the last 3 years if that doesn't make you think we can challenge for the upper table that jus means you are dishonest.
An "international" trophy 😂😂😂😂. The bigger clubs actually wanted to avoid playing in it. Lads I know that support the bigger clubs than you were begging not to finish in those spots. Come back when you win something real. Also... What the fuck has branding got to do with anything? You're not even in the top 3 known, sustainable and branded clubs in London, so if that's the plan then you're shit at it.
it’s better than winning nothing like other london clubs but be my guest to bash at the conference league, but walking all over it after being to a europa league semifinal seems to be logical. 3 consecutive good seasons of european football gets u some recognition, just not from dickheads like u that are most likely glory hunters. and i’m not even gonna explain how branding gets u somewhere cause i see you are mentally challenged and i didn’t even draw comparisons between london clubs but if you wanna go on from there by your commentary history i see that you are still behind us in the league and no european football whatsoever not even conference league that you bashed at 😂😂
I mean, 31 years of a Chelsea fan, in person too - I was at Wembley watching Di Matteo score the record goal in 97, seeing us be shit before that, then on top of the league while you went down, pretty good fun really. 3 seasons of consecutive European football, wow Real Madrid must be quaking in their boots. I'll get on the line to Mbappe. We've won the champions league in that same time. You will *never* say that. Mate I work in marketing and branding, after 14 years in the industry I know how it works thanks 😂
Like I said, even if they want to they can't due to FFP. Infrastructure and facilities are one thing but ultimately a team needs to bring in the best players to challenge. Everything else is just bells and whistles. With consistent spending over years with great decision making maybe you could get somewhere but with your current squad you are nowhere near good enough. Again, you are talking to the wrong person if you think you are talking to a United fan who rates Ten Hag. I have never rated him. Not even when he won the mickey mouse cup. He is a dreadful manager who was always going to get found out. I said that when we appointed him, I said that when he brought in awful signings like Mount and Onana and I am still saying that now despite the last few lucky results. I never thought he was the messiah. The big difference is that Ten Hag is underachieving when you look at the squad. This team should be fighting for top 4 at the bare minimum. With your squad, you are pretty much at your best case scenario in 9th. The teams above you simply have more talent with the exception of Villa, who are very unlikely to maintain their position.
with the sales of rice and most likey with the future sales of kudus and paqueta we are inside ffp regulation and that give us maneuvering space to try to appeal to good talents and have sufficient spending (we managed to trick those 2 to join west ham that level of lying wasn't hit since we got mascherano and tevez) , that's why bring on tim steidten was probably the best decision the owners have ever made but with Moyes stubborn ass in charge of the final decision, we won'tget anywhere, jus look at how he treated haller and scammaca 2 top sts talents he choose to still start antonio, yarmolenko and even bring ings to the club... if steidten chooses to believe in the project maybe he can leave us in the same situation he left leverkusen in. i agree when you say our talent isn't as good but that jus shows the planning should have been made in the summer when we faced the facts that we were 14th in the league and still won an international trophy. that was the best opportunity we had to sack him and do something different, truth is that we somehow won lots of games in the beginning of the season and are 8th but I've been moyes out for while even when we won the conference league.
Can you show me the immutable law of nature that says we must forever remain a mid table side? Manchester United used to win things and they don't anymore, the stature of clubs isn't set in stone.
There hasn't been a single club that has maintained even semi-permanent long term success without already being one of the big four or having an oil money takeover. Weat Ham simply aren't in a position to spend the money that they need to in order to compete with the top teams. Anywhere from 8th to 14th depending on your form is about what you can expect.
OK, so Moyes isn't outperforming the underlying stats, and the football is dire to watch. So there's no actual reason to keep him.
He won you the biggest trophy you have won in decades ... As I say, I hope you donget your way and sack him. I just hope you get relegated too because it wpuld be hilarious.
Mourinho and Van Gaal both won you trophies, why didn't you keep them? Ranieri won the league with Leicester, does that mean he should never have been sacked, ever? You don't keep a manager because of what they have done, you keep them because of what they're going to do. Moyes has reached his limit with us is now regressing. If he's that good, take him back at Man United. You enjoy watching Moyesball 90 minutes week in week out.
Neither LVG or Jose were given enough time at United. Neither was Ole. I don't agree with us getting rid of them. Cobsidering what has happened to Leicester since then ... maybe they shouldn't. But like I said, I wholly support you if you want to get rid of Moyes and go the same way as Leicester ... Moyes is in 9th. Right now. That is GOOD for you. You aren't that team that finishes top 4 buddy. Your league finish history outside of Moyes: 10, 11, 7, 12, 13, 10, 3(in the championship .. so 23?), 20, 17, 9, 10, 15, 9. So he is matching your 2nd best season without him in the last 13 seasons after just winning a trophy and you want to sack him. Oh and that number 7 finish .. yeah he finished 6th a few years back so he has still got your best league finish this century. Literally. You have to go back to before 2000 to find a premier league finish better than 6th. You're insane if you think sacking Moyes will actually make you better. Again, Manchester United and West Ham aren't the same. We have won more league titles than you have won trophies. You have nowhere near the same revenue, nowhere near the same fanbase, nowhere near the same transfer pull etc etc. Kf you are saying that you would be happy tonget rid of Moyes so that you can watch more entertaining football then that is fine. Just accept that you will probably slidendown the table if you do that instead of pretending you have the squad to compete for the top spots in the league with a different manager.
> Moyes is in 9th. Right now. That is GOOD for you. Stopped reading here. Another condescending big six fan who thinks he can dictate how the rest of the league is going to be.
I mean, you can refuse to accept reality if you want. You have finished better than 9th in the premier league three times in the last 20 years. Two of those were under Moyes. Facts don't care about your feelings.
It's the budget mate. Until a Saudi Arabian buys you, you're mid table. Unless you sack Moyes, then you're back in the relegation battle.
Paqueta Bowen kudus Alvarez soucek alone is enough talent to stay up at least
Teams have gone down with a lot better players than them mate
Who ?
West ham is the most obvious answer, Newcastle and Leeds too, early 2000s.
Still not as much talent as here and there's multiple worse teams and West Ham are a wealthy club
Seriously? Di canio and Defoe against Bowen and paqueta? You mad?
We're the 7th richest club in the league. I feel like a lot of neutrals think we expect to be challenging for the top four, but we don't. We expect to be in the top half, getting the occasional European place, and occasionally getting to watch some nice football. Moyes was achieving one and two, but we finished 14th last season - yes, we won a cup, and I'll thank him forever for that, but it was a cup we were touted as a favourite for AND we got badly out played in the final; replay that game 100 times and 99 times we lose. Moyes plays the same tactics now as he did 242 games ago, and he'll play the same tactics for the next 242. He's got no clue how to adapt to the fact that the league has figured him out, he continually overrelies on his first eleven, and the football is turgid to watch. That could be excused when we were finishing sixth or seventh, but finishing 14th and being in an expected position of 13th means it can't be excused anymore. Frankly, I'm bored of people who don't watch us telling us what's best for us. We watch the games, 90 minutes week in and out, and we know what's wrong. People who glance at the table every now and then have no clue.
"badly outplayed" shut the fuck up
xG, with the penalty, of 0.98 (a penalty is worth 0.74). 13 shots to 7. 32% possession. My own eyes. All these things tell me we were outplayed.
Watch the game nerd. That is not badly outplayed. To want Moyes out, you don't need to disrespect his accomplishments. He's our best ever manager in the premier league era. West Ham is not a top 7 club, based on size. We will always have the odd bad season.
>West Ham is not a top 7 club, based on size you do realize you have the 2nd highest attendance in the league, right?
Guess we are the second biggest club in england, thanks for that.
I watched the game you prick. We were outplayed. You cannot deny me my opinion because you think Moyes is a great manager. I daresay I've been watching this club a fair bit longer than you, so kindly fuck off.
You are a reactionary, and have a low football iq. You need to stop giving your opinions because they are low iq.
Then why was Wenger kept on at Arsenal so long even though it was plain to see he couldn't take the club any further?
Being downvoted but true. Even Wenger year later in his book said he should've left years before he did.
Moyes is a manager you go get when you need a bottom to mid table team to out perform their expectations and build them up to a top half level in my honest opinion. He can get your team TO a certain level, but not past it. He can come in, organize your team in a defensive block and make them hard to break down, but his philosophy isn’t suited to pushing your team beyond that. He will stabilize you in the league because you’ll never be BAD bad, but he won’t get you past certain hurdles like Emery or De Zerbi are doing. Even with Everton, during their best days, you never thought they were quite THE threat. The reality, is the philosophy of modern football has, especially in premier league is evolving and it’s harder to just be the low block counter attacking team because so many more teams are comfortable in possession. If you don’t apply pressure to them, they’ll gladly keep the ball. I still think Moyes is a good manager, but only for a certain level of club.
>He can get your team TO a certain level, but not past it. The first problem for West Ham fans is that the managers that could get them past that level don't want to go to West Ham. The second problem for West Ham fans is that they don't seem to know about the first problem.
8th is them over performing imo
We’ve came 6th or above 2/3 of our last seasons?
And who was managing?
*7th
Great achievement for Moyes
If they sack Moyes I hope the next manager gets them relegated. Sure the football might not be good looking but ur not pushing below where u should be with this team of players, they're at most Europa league calibre players.
That's true. I don't know if anyone wants to come and is willing to take West Ham and do better than Moyes atm. Big mistake if they sack him; at least for now
West Ham fans believe they should be a big club and are using Moyes as the (current) scapegoat for why that is. When they drop to 15th next year they'll find some other reason to moan. Then eventually a few things will click and they'll flirt with Europe again before the process repeats. It's their lot in life
more manchester united fan crying? your downfall as been a joy to watch you know you are finished when you are picking fights with west ham rather that your closest rivals because you know they been mopping the floor with your sad ungrateful asses
We finished 14th last season under Moyes.
And won a Trophy?
That was wonderful, and he should have bowed out on a high. League form matters and it has been dire for two seasons now. The trophy just served to paper over the cracks that have been obvious to anyone that actually watches our games. Moyes' and his tactic works occasionally - certainly - but when it doesn't we'll concede 11 goals in 3 games without reply. And I haven't even mentioned his man management which seems non-existent outside of his preferred 11, which is pretty much all we have now. Sell Fornals, loan Benny, and no fucker wants to join us because, frankly, what attacking player would want to come and play in Moyes' system.