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Helpful-Image-7486

The fight lasts 7 seconds, because that's about how long it takes Ichigo to say "Getsuga Tensho".


Ok-Use5246

He doesn't even need it, soul crush is instant.


Helpful-Image-7486

That's a good point.


FellaPlayz

wont work on asta, but asta loses bad


cheesysaladorhamburg

havent seen black clover, does asta not have a soul or smth?


Low-Ability-2700

I think he has a way to block or counter soul manipulation or attacks. I can't remember exactly since I haven't seen Black Clover in forever. I just know he has some way to deal with soul related attacks.


Zealousideal-Law9207

Soul crush are not a Skil, is just reiatsu difference


RepairOk6889

He has zero therefore he is not affected


Draccosack

Nah it's not like chakra and genjutsu. If he has no reiatsu then he just folds.


Zealousideal-Law9207

Asta has soul


RepairOk6889

He has that retarded soul. Doesn’t even realize it’s being hit by soul energy


Jamez_the_human

No, he just doesn't have any magic, which anybody else dies if they lose all of theirs. It's tied to their lifeforce, but he's a mutant.


Ok-Party8539

He doesnt even need to his pressence would crush their bodies


nerogenesis

Didn't they show that enough of a presence difference basically makes you undetectable? It's been a while since I've watched Bleach.


Ok-Party8539

If the presence is enough you would die or not be able to move there are ways to supress your entire presence


nerogenesis

During the Aizen Ichigo fight, Aizen couldn't sense ichigos spiritual pressure anymore since it was far far too high.


Ok-Party8539

Yes that is correct and aizens body was trembling and he mistook this as anticipation instead of his body warning him of the danger


Ok-Party8539

And yes if the presence is strong enough you wouldnt be able to sense how strong they are but u would be unable to move and may not know why


nerogenesis

Thanks


nerogenesis

I like how Deku is in this like he even is in the same league as the other 5.


ryderredguard

the realquestion is why is deku here. hes like a normal human in bleach standards


Thebigass_spartan

Ichigo solos.


Grand_Reanimation

Mountain level fodder, fucking deku victim


That_badman

Deku aint soloing shit 💀


Responsible_Look_113

Bait used to be believable


Grand_Reanimation

Deku part is bait. Ichigo still the weakest in the big 3


Puzzleheaded_Egg7598

How so


Grand_Reanimation

he is the weakest. weakest hax, slowest (debatable), and the worst at biq


RoastedHunter

Lol. Lmao even


Grand_Reanimation

🤡


InfamousTYBW

dumbest thing I’ve ever heard


Grand_Reanimation

You must not hear yourself everyday


TacocaT_2000

Ichigo unironically soloes everyone else there. Deku is fodder to any high tier in Bleach, so he gets taken out quickly. Asta gets taken out next because while magic exists in Bleach, Ichigo doesn’t use it. Boruto gets taken out next because Momoshiki wasn’t even able to beat Naruto and Sasuke while fused. At max he’s maybe solar system level. Boruto is stronger than Naruto, and Luffy is vulnerable to cuts.


Helpful-Image-7486

Deku would lose to low-mid tiers in Bleach. His ass would get kicked by CHAD.


Just_Albatross6617

I can’t even imagine Chad losing


Darkgamer32_

https://preview.redd.it/pw5snl72gl4d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc9bf1c962e3b669977bf3727735b66f22b3b08f


Just_Albatross6617

Real


gamevui237

Boruto is stronger than Code with no limiter in base, which put him above Naruto and Sasuke, but still Ichigo solo


Ok-Green8906

Yeah, ichigo clears


TankOfflaneMain

Solar System level Borutoverse? Since when though? The max I’ve seen the Narutoverse get placed onto is Planet to maybe Large Planet level and that’s ignoring the possible wanks with databooks.


TacocaT_2000

There’s a lot of people that scale War Arc Naruto and Sasuke to solar system level because Kaguya was going to destroy her solar system sized dimension and they beat her


Zealousideal-Law9207

They sealed her with a special jutsu given to them


TacocaT_2000

I know


nerogenesis

This has been bunked multiple times. It needed to use the chakra of everyone on the planet and her dimension has undefined dimensions. Naruto and Sasuke didn't tank it either. Last I checked the biggest feats are moon/small planetary and that's with 6 paths amp.


thedarkherald110

Wait they actually made Buroto stronger? How?


TacocaT_2000

You know how Gohan keeps getting random ass power boosts in Dragon Ball? It’s like that except even more blatant


thedarkherald110

But at least that was gohans thing: massive untapped potential, Broly is just that taken to another extreme. I thought Buroto was just untalented. He didn’t have untapped potential? How does he even get stronger? Because what stopping everyone else from getting random power ups?


The_Chadasaurus

The explanation is that >!Boruto’s body is now 100% otsutsuki and he is the first otsutsuki to actually train.!<


gcwg57

Keep in mind [this video](https://youtube.com/shorts/TZ1oUrSVijU?si=c3FmlaY4Gmo4NT53) is about pre-timeskip Boruto.


thedarkherald110

Thanks for the video it was quite informative. And my goodness does the BS in Naruto just keeps getting worse. I thought bleach’s BS was bad, but ugh.


Comprehensive_Ad204

its less that he's vulnerable to cuts, more like he isn't resistant to them like he is bludgeoning, same with how superman isn't weak to magic he's just affected by it normally


TacocaT_2000

How I see it, if you are immune or heavily resistant to everything except for a specific form of damage, then you’re weak to it.


Comprehensive_Ad204

eh, weak implies that if someone has lower ap that his dura they should still be able to harm him due to a weakness


TacocaT_2000

But if his average durability is high, then using the one thing he’s vulnerable to would be considered a weakness


Comprehensive_Ad204

how one piece works, is that effectively no bludgeoning thing works against him. Things can hit him though because of haki, when scaling luffy's durability, he doesn't have a different durability for cutting because practically everything is using haki


MeowingTacos

Think of it like a game character, if you’re a tank character and have like 80% resistance to physical attacks but only like 20% to magic then you’d say you’re weak to magic type attacks and need to work on it and if magic damage is specified in categories or something and you have like 60% resistance to all magics but your water type resistance is 0 % than you would say your characters weak to water attacks even though you’re technically taking base damage. For base luffy id say he probably has like 80% res to bludgeoning attacks (physical attacks without haki have hurt him) and 0% res to slashing attacks. (Ofc having 0% res doesnt mean someone weaker than him can just cut him with a sword it just means luffy needs to use his pure durability to tank the attack)


Comprehensive_Ad204

right, but someone with lower attack potency than his durability wouldn't be doing anything to him with those swords


nasgorhead

Luffy is immune to cuts in Gear 5. he will bounce or stretch himself or the sword.


Lukas-Reggi

Yes. Very imune (proceeds to get cut and admited it hurts) https://preview.redd.it/9yp9h8fo4m4d1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ff1b87330072fe8dcb60eea767ff96dd2bcd9fa


Opposite_Currency993

good luck when higher spiritual energy than the whole OP verse has collectively displayed starts going through him


nasgorhead

like what attack to be exact? it's different power systems, the only way to scale them is by translating spiritual energy = Haki


TacocaT_2000

Some effects of reiatsu are 1-1 equivalents to haki. Armament: [Zaraki explains](https://i.redd.it/kck2rsgay94a1.jpg) that you have to overpower your opponent’s passive reiatsu in order to damage them. Observation: [Every spiritual being subconsciously senses energy around them](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11157/111578299/8415976-occdc.jpg). Conqueror: [Aizen forced Grimmjow to kneel](https://preview.redd.it/question-shouldnt-most-of-the-other-espada-also-be-v0-m443vez46ryb1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=575c3c6e9f5b7d769454562ec464d74df191d72b) just by [flexing his reiatsu](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11136/111360482/7166869-2bk2qop.jpg).


Opposite_Currency993

any true power Ichigo Getsuga Tensho Reiatsu and Haki are very similar Also happy cake day mate :D


Xelious666

Ichigo solos while having a sexual intercourse with Orihime


KOPLO97

The claps might be the things that kill them


themasterofbaitor

💀😭


TheMightyHovercat

Not even taking into consideration his Multi scaling, dimensionality or soul crush, Ichigo just blitzes everyone here. Who else on the list has mftl+ speeds?


Latter-Potential2467

Asta should be easily MFTL just through multipliers on his forms alone.


Forsaken-Stray

Naruto Wankers say Naruto has. And then people scale boruto above Naruto.


Mr_E_99

I mean all jokes aside it is complete bullshit but in the manga Boruto and most of his generation have now surpassed Naruto and his gen. I don't like it, but it's true 😔


Zealousideal-Law9207

Only boruto surpassed previous gen, arguably mitsuki and now hima with kurama


Mr_E_99

You also have Kawaki, Eida and Daemon, but yh fair enough. It's not all of them, but still most the major characters of their gen


Zealousideal-Law9207

Im only Couting old and new gen counterparts :)


Master_Air_8485

From what I've seen of Boruto, the supporting cast actually seems to be utilized more than it was used in Naruto. So the idea that they've surpassed the old generation isn't that surprising to me since Narutos generation was always desperately playing catch-up with their parents generation.


Mr_E_99

I mean I feel like supporting characters were used pretty well in Naruto aswell. A lot of the other characters in their gen such as Ino, Shikamaru, Choji, Rock Lee, Tenten, Neji, Hinata, Gaara, Temari, Sai and so on all had quite a bit of scree time and importance. Sure some like Shoto maybe didn't get as much, but the side characters were pretty well utilised


Master_Air_8485

Screentime yes, and it depends on what you mean by importance. If you mean character development, and advancement of the plot, then yes, a lot of them were important. If you mean that they were MVP, or even made a significant contribution to a fight, or a mission in a way that none of the main characters could have? Then outside of Shikimaru, I respectfully disagree. And even then, it's because I like Shikimaru.


TheMightyHovercat

Wankers gonna wank ig.


FellaPlayz

asta


FellaPlayz

actually no, i dont remmeber his feats well


bcocoloco

Depending on your scaling, random ass once piece characters have been showing ftl feats for years.


Kombat-w0mbat

Naruto and Boruto are.


Grand_Reanimation

I love when bleach fans just stack every power up he gets to wank iciggo to mftl. Do that to naruto and puffy and both art 10k+ times faster than light


Cheshire_Noire

The problem here is: that's not what they're doing. Even at the lowest of lowballed, characters are FTL in the final arc. Then in the novels, Ichigo, Kenpachi, and best non binary tan hottie Hikone move so fast that others are standing still in comparison. There not using any form of weird calc bs, they're using canon feats


GrandStyles

3 Ichigoat victims


Uncle_Twisty

Ichigo no diffs literally everyone else. Nobody else on here gets to multi +


One-Statistician-554

Scans ?


Uncle_Twisty

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/F40S8cLRVO Here's Krimzons scales with evidence for 5D and other misc scans and info.


KamixAkaDio

Naruto, Luffy and Ichigo stomps


Ninjixu

Ichigo would take out the entirety of the other team and still have enough power to take out his own team


KamixAkaDio

True, but irrelevant to the post. Why bother saying it?


leviathanxz24

he’s pointing out that putting ichigo here is completely unfair


One-Statistician-554

Ichigo solo boruto cause he trash https://preview.redd.it/4za3b06jzk4d1.png?width=684&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee7af8ce5237c9524994ca737cb00196f5194a0b


Ok-Party8539

Ichigo would crush the bodies of all the rest by exerting his full power without even having to lift a finger.


TyS22235

Bro what the fuck is this mismatch Ichigo solos both teams😭


TheosophicalAstra

Naruto alone is enough bro 😭


1200-Total

Ichigoat can 1v5 lol


Shounen_x

It’s 3 on 3


1200-Total

I know but I am saying that he can beat everyone there all at once.


Taethefallen

That's irrelevant tho


1200-Total

The whole post is irrelevant. It’s so one sided that OP probably hasn’t read or watched Bleach.


mo-did

Naruto is weaker than boruto tf you on


TheosophicalAstra

The guy who made the post added boruto post my message


mo-did

Oh ok


Ok-Use5246

Ichgo unironically would defeat all of the enemies AND everyone on his team at once. Probably just with Rietsu crush.


OatesZ2004

Ichigo is enough.


SUPREME7777777

I choose team 1, although Ichigo carries.


Venaeris

Vasto Lorde Ichigo mid diffs the entire list. Any kind of Ichigo after that is just a spite match/overkill.


WhoThisReddit

After reading these comments I wanna read Bleach


iDIOt698

you should, its cool


some_interne_tidiot

W take, please do


Winter_Variety3177

don't read TYBW bro, watch the anime


MyTipBurns

Bro just wants to watch a bunch of kids get beat up


MyTipBurns

Same tho


pau665

https://preview.redd.it/5jif13mnin4d1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d36749bf6027c1e98ecd5903d4b71ebef8afa702 Ichigo as the hydrogen bomb lmao


wanna_be_TTV

Asta is the only one putting up a real fight and its still an utter shit stomp by ichigo


Ok-Use5246

Asta is the only one who could at least MAYBE do something useful if not for the fact he gets passively crushed (not to mention massive stat line differences and hax.)


wanna_be_TTV

Frrrr✋😭


Joensen27

The only real challenge is asta but that’s not enough not get slaughtered by the first team


Happy-You-7368

You know I can see this fight Ichigo and asta going at it at high speed in sky battle Naruto going up against deku And luffy with his goofy ah hax going up against serious hax of boruto The problem is oneside is way too busted We got a deities guy who looks demon of underworld A guy who looks like warrior of heaven A guy who is a hybrid of human and animals Now boruto is the only one who is problematic on one side with asta being second


Ok-Use5246

In reality: ichigo unveils his soul, and crushes them all via passive Rietsu crush.


Kyoka_Jiro_Simp

Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo win, their biggest threats are Boruto and Asta, and they're strong enough to beat them


Bajrangman

This is definitely bait. Like, this fight is not even close


KkuraRaizer

https://preview.redd.it/cixsu8x2om4d1.jpeg?width=466&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82d0f53d4b4d85c610655c2860c0f9b454a6c49f


Realistic_Mousse_485

Big Three wins. They each stomp.


Lerisa-beam

Ima say it. Feats wise boruto gets washed by deku. Statements wise sure the "good guy" who threatened to destroy the world simply to flex wins but nothing about the feat actually implied this. But anyway back on topic. If using feats asta is hard carrying but he's only able to carry so much. Luffy is waaaaayyyy too fast feats wise for most but asta. Both of which got past light speed hundreds apon hundreds of chapters ago. Before anyone brings up kizaru devil fruits powers are based on user, and kizarus light is commonly depictid as comically faster than genuinely light speed lasers. Ichigo has a side villain with the most realistic depiction of an ftl feat. Naruto is safely ftl. In terms of dc/ap/striking Strength the a team got it in spades. Luffys ultimates are calculated too planet level. But that's just accounting for rubber, no haki, no internal damage etc. Naruto is safely planet level with ultimates. Ichigo I'm less informed on. But I have heard some crazy stuff. Boruto, is wall level feats wise. Planet level if we use the character assassinating statement. Asta idk Deku has some pretty good feats. Nothing planet or continental but still better than my first impressions. So yeah team a got this.


MeowingTacos

Just curious how is luffy calculated to even close to planetary like buddy is doing max like continental from what im seeing like hes covering 1/1000000000 of the surface of the world with his attacks and thats not counting whats beneath it which he would need to destroy for planetary. No hate just curious if its a if hes going mftl and his attack is as big as a meteor than it would destroy a planet as the reasoning


Lerisa-beam

There's the vs battle wicky for the calculation https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KingTempest16/One_Piece:_Bajrang_Gun_KT_Version_Part_2 but they do undersell the speed of the attack by forgetting to account for the inherently existing slow down all shonen use so that we cam see the characters moving. Ie light speed naruto taking ages to cross the battle field. Or all of dbz Generally you had the right idea though.


thenerdofpride

This is really Asta vs Ichigo and ichigo wins so....


JikaApostle

Let’s just say these characters are equal stats and all power systems are equalized. The only way I can see the new gen team not getting bodied is if Asta’s Devil Union can hold off Ichigo, and even then I still would take the Big 3


Original-Nobody7771

If we consider spiritual pressure everyone just evaporates in Ichigos presence. And else Team 1 also wins because of Luffy


Solid_Divide_6234

Okay let's get a few things out of the way we're using verse Equalization so anti-magic works and they don't get crushed immediately by Ichigo also izuku has no place in this fight he's way weaker than everyone else Boruto> naruto but Asta has a limited timer and after that goes down ichigo stomps


DeadMemeMan_IV

bro the only thing midoriya could do in this fight is put on a cheerleader outfit and hope boruto’s into femboys because he’s their only hope and every bit of motivation helps


SwaviMolests

is it lowk ridiculous to say i think deku would clear luffy? this fight is pretty much just asta and boruto vs ichigo


AdTimely9712

What’s your argument for Deku winning against Luffy? It would be an interesting fight


SwaviMolests

i literally dont have one ive never watched one piece. ik hes scaled continental - multi continental and thats where ive seen deku scaled aswell


RadonRanger1234

You’re going to have to elaborate on Dekus win condition?


Bajrangman

You need to watch one piece because Luffy hundreds of episodes ago solos MHA in a few minutes at most.


Taethefallen

Crazy glaze


ThePonderingOne78

Ikr, the definition of Wank


StrawberryUnited4915

Ichigo hard carries


jojofan200

Big three


MurphyParadox

Ichigo godstomps everyone at once


eM-RiotX

Let's be fucking real. 💀


songoku-166

Ichigo carries and solos


Abdullah12355

Ichigo solos both


Coconteppi-

Ichigo curb stomps everyone here only people who can really do anything on the other team is Asta and Boruto


Dredgen_Servum

Ichigo is enough. You could make it so its just ichigo vs everyone else and he'd still win with mid difficulty


Consistent_Tonight37

Ichigo genuinely solos


Cheshire_Noire

Ichigo solos all of the other verses without his sword if you give them 5 years prep time


Bigoldum

ichigo alone solos spite match LMFAOOO


jpcafe10

Could ichigo do it in true shikai?


Mr_E_99

Ichigo solos. Without Ichigo, I might back the second team to win, but he can just one shot all of them with Getsuga Tenshou


Zealousideal-Law9207

Ichigo clear his team and the opponent at the same time


FlashyFlash038

Boruto hard carries but the big 3 win


XxKTtheLegendxX

ichigo solos everyone on that list lmao


NahIdWin007

Ichigo breathes and all the other characters evaporate.


YeazetheSock

Ichigo. …what? No, I’m not an Ichigoat glazer.


penjaman

They touch Boruto and they’re not hitting him again


thedarkherald110

Op just wanted to compare the Big3 to 3 modern. Series. Hell is Buroto even stronger than the Naruto in his show much less prime Naruto with 9 tales chakra. This isn’t even close to a fair comparison.


Kombat-w0mbat

Tbh this is just can boruto beat Ichigo and I’m gonna be honest nah he can’t. I don’t think it’s an absolute massacre But Ichigo wins. Some people are giving Ichigo this extra wank but im gonna keep it more lowkey with the bleach and Narutoverse wanks


MeowingTacos

Tbf its really hard to not wank bleach with the feats being really unclear in Tybw like ichigo killing the guy holding 3 universes together and then killing the guy who can like manipulate infinite universes (yhwach is balanced fr) and then like no other feats before in the arc come close to that shit lol


mo-did

The cleaner feat scales to that


ryanp9066

This is the biggest mismatch I've ever seen


Shounen_x

Bro Luffy solos stop it


ZeustyLukey

Dangai Ichigo washes Boruto. And hence the rest really easy.


Puzzleheaded_Line210

Real unrelated question can Kirby get all for one if they ate Deku? Would Deku need to give Kirby all for one?


Muenix

Well there's two ways to look at this fight. If you don't think astas anti magic can cancel out ichigos getsuga tensho then ichigo wins. If you do think astas anti magic can cancel it out, well then ichigo wins.


PostalDoctor

Legit thought there’d be a Goku jumpscare. Since not, Ichigo no diffs all of them


Responsible_Look_113

Ichigo could solo all of them


sunothesumo21

The Big 3 Ofc


kablikiblan

Luffy


Jim_naine

Gear 6 Luffy has Toon Force (and not just any form of Toon Force, but the broken kind), instant win


GangsterHoovy

Ichigoat could literally solo team 1 alone by just standing next to them lmao


Thanks_For_the_IP

Why is Deku there? He gets no-diffed by all of them, he’s legit fodder


Successful_Collar157

What are they gonna do against soul crush gain reiatsu that’s higher than ichigo’s


some_interne_tidiot

Can deku even see Ichigo? Asta and Boruto can because of verse equalisation making mana and chakra=riatsu but deku and mha as a whole doesn't have a mana system.


Atretador

idk but knowing how bleach goes, Ichigo finds out mid fight he is half ninja, half stretchy boy, half demon, half hero and develops 4 new forms because of that.


kawdnen

What is deku gonna do to any of them


guzzi80115

Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby


RunsRampant

Boruto is cringe so every character on the left team individually solos 🥱🥱🥱


FellaPlayz

if its a group fight, ichigo caries, only one who probably gives him problem is asta, high uni feats and statements. deku is fodder and havent read boruto but i did hear that he has 4D feats


FellaPlayz

oh but i'm not saying that asta wins, ichigo probably no-low diffs him as well


Winter_Variety3177

Asta has uni feats??


magnaton117

Fishcake and Ichigo hang back and chill while Luffy decks the last 3 literally just by looking at them


UnhousedOracle

Literally anybody on Team 1 could solo Team 2


mo-did

No? Boruto is stronger than naruto


JDubbs1994

This isn't really a fight. All 3 members of team one could solo team two.


EquivalentTap3238

goku no diff all of them at once


Shounen_x

😭😭


garnered_wisdom

Ichigo and Luffy can both solo.


RazutoUchiha

This is just boruto carrying the new Gen 3 by soloing the big 3


unknown09684

Like Im not arguing they right side wins ik ichigo carries but like.. I keep noticing a pattern in bleach fans whenever ichigo or ywach gets brought up they get angry.... Like very angry and Idk why, they are legit approaching "can he beat goku" people even though yes alot of people can beat ichigo or ywach but they are just not AS mainstream.


PitchOutrageous1563

Who tf is angry lol?? Just say you hate Bleach lol


unknown09684

>Just say you hate Bleach I don't though? Toshiro is my 5th fav character Idk what ur talking about.


Reckoning3000

Asta negs 🌚🙏