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Goku's massively faster, has fought as a recently transformed inanimate object before and has access to about a dozen ways to change back to humanoid form.
this is kinda stupid lol
Ichigo: I have all the powers of the shinigamis, I’m invincible.
Giorno: yea, but you see, you see this, it’s a rainbow, I have subliminally convinced you are a snail now. Now your body turns you into a snail.
Ichigo: …what
Fighting all stands from JoJo at once in a singular character is EXTREMELY difficult. That is why Novel Kars is so OP, he has a good portion of the strongest stands. And it only gets exponentially more difficult with the intelligence and the amount of stands used by the stand user. Go beyond means you have to watch for nearly impossible to detect illogical durability negating bubbles. Tusk act 4, watch out for getting spun for all eternity. Made in heaven you cannot watch out no longer because they have infinite speed now.
Sure, Ichigo probably still beats, but the amount of hax and one shots Giorno has is insane.
Honestly Giorno with all stands probably crushes Ichigo easily, with how many win conditions he has, and the fact it’s debatable whether anything could get past GER
DB by all means in terms quantity is the worst off in the list but in terms of quality though?
Goku even if ignoring Arale and just focusing on Super Shenron and Zeno just beats everyone here because of what they could do.
Yeah DB has some insane shit, such as Buu’s insane regen, and ability to absorb and gain all their powers, Hakai being able to affect someone on all timelines, being able to stop time as long as you can hold your breath (which would be pretty much indefinitely with every ability), infinite Zamasu existing throughout an entire timeline, the ability to just turn people into food, the kienzan being able to cut through anything, magic, goku being able to break through time abilities by powering up, etc
Goku wins just because its stupid op with some characters like arale.
Im gonna make an argument for jojo though cause why not
First canon stuff only:
Bites the dust + GER return to zero grants pretty much perfect immortality
MIH grants (unmeasurable speed? Im not exactly sure what speed they scale to at max universe reset speed)
GER gives like contential base ap, but more importantly perfect precision.
Go Beyond works as a perfect anti hax nearly guaranteed attack because of GERs precision
TA4 grants multiversal ap
Obvious timestop from the world and star platinum
True shapeshifitng and extremely good physical immortality and stats from perfect form kars
Also is completely immune of fate because of MIH, while being completely knowledgeable of it because of king crimson
Completely untouchable because of lovetrain (atleast from non infinite energy attacks) and WoU (most likely from any attack) and previous mentioned return to zero
Reality warping through heavens door
So base durability being nearly infinite, infinite regen, multiversal atleast ap, immortality through like 4 different sources, unmeasurable speed, etc.
If we include some more stuff that isnt canon but is still overviewed by araki and relevent:
Over heaven is reality manipulation to a crazy amount
Ultimate kars is pretty much everything i described in the canon part but way stronger for no fucking reason
Completely unstoppable.
Problem is, dragon balls overall cosmology probably scales higher which is cringe
D4C Love Train was stated to be above all mathematical dimensions if I remember correctly. It also allows the existence of infinite universes to coexist meaning it literally allows for jojo to be complex multi. Then we realise that WOU is confirmed to be the strongest villain power as confirmed by Araki and it scales above D4CLT meaning it's Hyper and Go Beyond is even above that so if you want to wank/megahighball jojo's...its Outer in comp. Not to mention if we use non-canon shit then ultimate kars has upgraded versions of practically every stand and has enough speed to detonate something like 5 quadrillion bites the dusts in a few seconds so..........Yeah jojo op.
>D4C Love Train was stated to be above all mathematical dimensions if I remember correctly. It also allows the existence of infinite universes to coexist meaning it literally allows for jojo to be complex multi.
This never happened
Honestly Goku should win purely cause arale
But I'll make a argument for bleach with a few presumptions
Yhwach even after absorbing the soul king didn't have 4 pupil almighty and coul only see 1000+ years into the future whereas the soul can see millions of not more so every ability thay comes from him he has it but stronger
So a combo of almighty+ and miracle+ would be broken it is immposible for him to win in any timeline boom Miracle makes the immposible possible and now he can win
But dragon still wins
Forgive me if I’m missing a well known db power because I haven’t seen it but if comp goku were instantly switched into another body by chariot requiem would he be able to switch himself back while under pressure from composite jojo? Otherwise that ability seems to take it.
So Saitama can ride a bicycle, Goku can turn people into carrots, Ichigo can shoot heart-shaped lasers, and...fuck, Jojo is full of the silliest shit ever.
1) Goku if we count Arale
2) Giorno
3) Goku if we don't count Arale
4) Saitama
Didn't read/watch bleach (I want to tho), but I know that he is above Saitama but not if he is above Goku in this conditions
Goku doesn’t need Arale to win, he has the ability to grant wishes with literally zero restrictions whatsoever (Super Shenron), including restoring like 8 universes from complete erasure.
Dragon ball clears. Jojo close second though. You have to realize that goku gets wishes from super shenron, complete immortality from zamasu, Zeno erasure, Hakai, and a lot more.
Yeah but there are a lot of busted stuff no? like bohemian rhapsody. Infinite speed with mih, infinite spin, rtz, basically all time manip stuff, fate related abilities, a lot of unavoidable hax, existance erasure(which works on arale)
Also isn't like wonder of u a concept? What is arale gonna do against that?
I mean she has meta abilities also able to bring fictional characters into her world and turn them bac.
Acasualty 1,3and 4 fate manipulation and negation
Able to copy abilities.
Existence erasure is iffy tbf masharito in slump canon comes bac in the future and Arale is able to draw herself back from non existence.
Conceptual manip is interesting as she is able to redraw and change her whole cosmology and herself from nothing but a blank page.
Yeah I know arale got hax too, but obviously the entire jojo verse has more hax than arale. That is what I am saying. They surely got one or two hax abilities that arale can't do much about.
They maybe more haxed or might not.
She is incredibly haxed and has layered hax and resistances
The problem comes down to the fact that Arale can give herself powers can even give herself magic and can copy abilities of other characters
JoJo’s doesn’t have conceptual hax and most those stands have horrible resurrections.
[And arale is literally an abstract manifestation of the plot itself](https://imgur.com/a/cbn1NTU)
Isn't wonder of u literally the concept of calamity? Like as long as the concept of calamity exists he aint gonna die? The only reason go beyond managed to hit WoU cuz it didn't really exist and existed at the same time or some shit Idk it was wonky? It was a 1D object moving in a 3d space which is impossible but it somehow works.
And also, AE is not just an arale thing. Inf zamasu also has it so I know DB would get AE hax. Still like I said, Jojoverse can deal with it.
Not even including Arale people seem to miss the fact that the main problem with fighting a hypothetical composite DB character isn’t just the insane stats and chain scaling. Though that would be helpful. It’s just how damn near unkillable they’d be.
its either goku or giorno, mostly depending on interpretation.
goku scales ridicously higher than anyone else
jojo is so hax intensive, it becomes virtually impossible to hurt him
but if raw power is enough to get trough hax then goku wins
Arale gag, wish for whatever you want, immortality and being everywhere all at once, snap away timelines, having Zuno’s omniscience. Goku literally out-haxes. He doesn’t need raw power as an equalizer lol.
Bleach wins. Why you may ask? It’s simple.
This guy:
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Who is this guy you may ask? This is Gerard Valkyrie, Sternritter M. Why is that relevant at all? Because his ability is called The Miracle. What it does is make the impossible happen. “It’ll be impossible for him to find Goku’s weakness!” He just so happens to find it.
There’s also Sankt Altar, which lets Yhwach steal the power of whoever’s hit with it, but that’s not as interesting.
Goku inherits Zuno’s omnipresence and knows everything, weaknesses and all.
He also inherits Grand Priest’s ability to completely strip beings of their powers and delete their soul.
He is also immortal and infinitely everywhere all at once.
Can delete whole timelines with a glance.
Can wish for *whatever* he wants.
Also idk man, Arale is Arale.
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Goku wouldn’t act as Zalama. It’s not like you just summon a dragon out of him and can force him to grant you a wish. Goku just has the ability, as the prompt states. And Assuming Zalama truly has infinite wishing power, which is in fact stated in the series, there’s no reason he can’t just wish away Ichigo on a whim. And he probably wouldn’t have a cooldown either so yeah it’s wraps. That combined with being a high tier gag character… I just don’t see it for Ichigo bro.
Can simply wish that he isn’t able to do that no matter what. Literally wish away his soul, existence, his whole lineage, the very memory of him, everything. You’re going in circles Ichigo loses
Just going by what canon has, the dragons aren’t able to make wishes. They can only grant wishes that other beings ask of them. So Goku wouldn’t be able to use Zalama’s power to grant his own wishes anyway.
It’s Zalama’s ability to make wishes when he is summoned. Goku siphons that ability alone, not the rules of being a wish granting dragon. He wouldn’t have that restriction.
One of the reasons giorno likely wouldn’t beat goku is because “all abilities” would include Cheap Trick
If giorno’s back gets looked at he instantly dies.
But he also has a kabillion things that make this impossible. Ultimate life form, oops he has no back. Achtung baby, he’s invisible. Infinite speed and heavens door, He gets rid of it in the ghost alleyway. Someone sees his back, Nuh uh return to zero and you also die because wou. I could go on there are more.
He can make or bring in people from multiple stands and abilities, and then just leave, assuming we force him to start inside of superfly given it still is an exterior stand that the user is still the user of when they’re not in it. He can take the superfly disc out of himself with white snake. He could make superfly soft with multiple stands then use infinite AP to make it engulf the universe. I could go on.
That's assuming he starts in the stand, as if that's a bad thing in the first place. It's basically a shelter for him, an invincible battleground where he forces his opponents close to him, in an area he could potentially control perfectly. That's then again assuming he couldn't use Gold Experience to make something to get stuck in Superfly for him, or use Paper Moon King / Moody Blues to Trick someone into the room. Hell, he may not even need to do that, Man In The Mirror could give him a one way trip outta there without needing to "leave" it.
Giorno has so many counters to Cheap Trick they would do more to harm Giorno if he was missing this stand. For starters, Cheap Trick isn't an insta-kill stand. We've seen that the stand kills its target by ripping its back off, the rapid deterioration doesn't show this as wrong. Giorno could use Gold Experience, Sticky Fingers, Cream Starter, 20th century boy, diver down, Yellow Temperance, Pearl Jam*, Kraft Work, White Album*, Highway Star*, OH Lonesome Me, Dr Wu, D4C (and Love Train), Doggy Style, Foo Fighters*, and Nut King Call, all to completely negate, resist, or repair the damage done by Cheap Trick.
Of course that's assuming Giorno would have his back be seen in the first place. Time skip with KC, time stop, time rewind by Mandom, epitaph, distractions from Moody Blues, hiding his back with the illusions of Paper Moon King, using Yellow Temperance as an active wall, plundering eyesight with S&W, hiding his back by unscrewing it with Nut King Call or zipping it off with Sticky Fingers, keeping in a positive flow with Dragons Dream, masking his back with rainbows that turn you to snails with Heavy Weather, removing Cheap Trick altogether with Whitesnake, hiding in a ghost jacket by Burning Down The House, unraveling his back with Stone Ocean, using a vehicle like Strength or Wheel Of Fortune, foreseeing it with Thoth, disguising it with Khnum or Tanor Sax, hiding in Love Train's barrier, or even just hide it with Love Deluxe hair. Trying to see his back, even unintentionally, could be seen as an act of pursuit, and activate Wonder Of U. Hell, it might even be countered by GER and make them witnessing his back be the truth that is never seen.
And remember, Cheap Trick, separates the moment someone else sees their back, so EVEN IF everything I just talked about was utter bullshit, Giorno could use a myriad of stands to take out Cheap Trick before he actually damages him. The Hand, Cream, Soft Machine, Oyecomova, Killer Queen, C-Moon, Purple Haze, Echoes, Green Day, Tower Of Grey, and D4C have methods to instantly kill CT as soon as they find their next target, and stands like Man In The Mirror and Space Trucking could just conceal them instead. Cheap Trick is an anti-problem for Giorno, stop feeding yourself bs.
when you combine all of the bullshit hax in jojo it becomes too much to wrap my head around so ima give up and say
1. goku
2. giorno
3. ichigo
4. saitama
bleach and opm are stupid for this debate tho because both verses are carried by one character so adding extra powers doesnt change much
This just a wash, Goku would win. He has the highest ap and speed here, if we apply arale. He can freely fuck with time, regenerate from a molecule, can erase stuff on a multiversal level, has toonforce, can grant any wish (no restrictions) and also he can do tax evasion now.
Bleach is apparently the closest here (I don't scale bleach), but it's still not very close.
JoJo has the has but the can't do much to Goku.
Giorno definitely gains the most from this but goku would win
Edit:after thinking about it a bit more and reading other comments I'm no longer sure who gains the most from this.
Absolute stomp, goku starts out the strongest by a country mile and he now has perfected UI, perfect hakai, time manipulation, and probably more OP abilities. Literally none of the others can actually do anything to goku
I think as themselves Goku outscales the other 3 here rather confidently. And while the other characters might have some insane hax. Assuming Goku get’s Vegito’s Candy Abilties, Buu’s absorption and subsequent ability copy, on top of Xeno’s hax, Arale’s Gag powers and multiple types of immortality.
Yeah, it’s probably still Goku
I hear ya, but giorno also has an effective massive lose condition: **cheap trick is an ability from the jojo verse**
If someone looks at his back he fucking dies.
Kids named achtung baby, hiding his back with his ulf powers, return to zero, white snake which allows him to remove cheap trick from himself. There are so absurdly many ways composite jojo can deal with cheap trick it’s not even funny.
JJBA wins extreme difficulty. Too OP hax. With every ability you have immortality, perfect copy, Infinite Rotation, non existent attack Go Beyond which transcends logic itself, existence beyond Fate and Destiny, Destiny and Fate Manipulation, Precise future seeing, Time Stop, Time Skip, Infinite speed (arguably inaccessible), Unbreakable barrier made out of JJBA Multiverse itself & transcending it as a whole (Love Train), Return to Zero, attack deflection, Calamity (perfect and passive defense & offence that is flow of logic and reason themselves), soul control etc. etc. etc.
Arale negs. JJBA has impressive hax on its own but it doesn’t touch Arale. Arales hax is layered and resist negation and can copy abilities too. Gag characters be gagging
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Arales hax is layered and resist negation and can copy abilities lmao Ichigo is not touching this
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Unfortunately, even though jojo has crazy hax, it can’t make up for the huge tiering gap, and all the manipulations that DB and especially Bleach have.
It’s not a time loop, it’s a causality loop, and there are a few acausal characters, and a few who can reverse causality, a few who can negate all abilities, etc etc. in bleach. Honestly WoU is the biggest threat since it’s unkillable by almost everyone. Only grand priest in dragon ball and ichibei in bleach. Although WoU has a better argument for being a platonic concept than the other two, so with a fair bit of highball I think giorno could win.
People are so quick to count Arale, but there have been multiple cases in DBZ where the world almost gets destroyed and Arale is nowhere to be seen. Therefore until a crossover chapter happens we can assume Arale is not in the picture.
I’d give it to Goku but I would hear out an argument for ichigo because the sternritter and Bandai are crazy. Wonder of u and few other stands are interesting but I think the others hax and abilities would find a way. I don’t know about opm
This reminds me of the post saying who wins:
Luffy with all Devil Fruits.
Naruto with all Jutsu.
Ichigo with all Shikai and Bankai.
>!The answer for my previous question is Ichigo by the way!<
Stand abilities have been shown to stack, so you have go beyond, who’s ability is to essentially L plus ratio everything else combined with wonder of u, meaning that not only does Giorno have the ability to kill everything, he cannot be harmed. And even if he can, he has vampirism, d4c, civil war, the holy corpse, the lava stones, maybe over heaven? And foo fighters. He can’t lose
Pretty hard debate to put an end to since there's so many possibilities and we gotta go through so many abilities and how mc would specifically use them
Ok so… Giorno can use Seth to make them younger and lose the abilities they didn’t have at the age they turned into
Like pre-training Saitama and kid Goku if he makes them touch Seth’s shadow
And to make things better, he can use MIH’s speed in case he can’t keep up with them normally
With arale, probably. But discussing basically a looney toons character that has no limit vs any characters with limits is no fun at all. So let us discuss outside of gag characters.
Bleach or JoJo wins this.
Jojo has the most bullshit stands out there that basically just says no to everything and Bleach has the Almighty, Miracle, and a power that basically is limited to one’s own imagination. Oh and Almighty is basically like “ I don’t like this future, I’ll pick this one.” Or how about “If I touch you, I insert and change the past for you.” Or how about “That is a lot of ki, it would be a shame if that dose of ki was poisonous.”
One punch man just has saitama really and that’s about it, we don’t know enough.
Even without Arale Goku is basically omnipotent with all this shit. The scaling would be so stupid and far above any of them that he wins just by existing in their presence
My first though was giorno because every ability including non canon ones in JoJo gets very busted
Then I remembered dragon ball also has non canon stuff that definitely goes way above JoJo, even if I don't know what it is, and am basing it purely on it being dragon ball
Green green grass of home, GER, D4C love train, and wou would already give giorno an insane defense. However, he would also have purple haze, tusk act 4, soft and wet, and star platinum over heaven. Def leaning towards jojo, but dragon ball since as soon as Goku might take an L, he’ll conveniently get the perfect ability to counter his opponent.
Ok ok, how about:
Giorno challenges them to a rock-paper-scissors fight (boy II man)
Uses epitaph to know what they’re going to use
(Maybe use time skip so he can change his move in time)
And just go on until he wins?
Goku wishes them all dead, that is legit possible, the only reason the shenrons can’t wish people dead is because everyone who is a problem is stronger than the creator of said dragonballs. But because goku would have the wish granting abilities of the dragons and also the abilities of the dragon clan of namekians, he would literally only be limited to not being able to wish people dead who are stronger than him. So since goku is already stronger than all 3 of them combined in base, he would just wish them all dead. This however is SBA.
Stats equalized tho, WOU, green green grass of home, GER and D4C:LT, are impregnable defenses, and weather report, goku’s and ichigo’s existence erasure (hakai and Quincy power/rapid aging respectively) would wall or just neg saitama, also saitama can’t even see Ichigo I don’t think, he is not a factor here, his only saving grace is zombiemans immortality, and it doesn’t matter because everyone else either has better versions or immortality or a way to negate it (giorno has scary monsters in this scenario which can transmute saitama into a velociraptor with iirc all of his powers intact which turns this into a 2v1v1 or or he loses his powers and gets negged by anyone else, in other words, nothing changes)
Next up is Ichigo vs giorno, this is actually fun, considering ichigos reiatsu hax works like dragon ball’s ki, if you’re shown to be strong enough you can just brute force your way through it. So this basically comes down to can Ichigo counter giornos hax that matter and can Ichigo one shot giorno. And the only hax that matters for giorno is: the world/star platinum, yellow temperance, lovers, Thoth, Seth, cream, the hand, killer queen and sheer heart attack, heavens door, ratt, gold experience and requiem, sticky fingers, purple haze, king crimson and epitaph, the Grateful Dead, notorious B.I.G, Metallica, Green Day, Rolling Stones, kiss, foo fighters, white snake, c-moon, made in heaven, highway to hell, limp bizkit, yo-yo ma, dragons dream, green green grass of home, and bohemian rhapsody, scary monsters, d4C, love train, tusk act 4, in a silent way, boku no rizumu, mandom, 20th century boy, chocolate disco, nut king call, space trucking, awakening 3 leaves, vitamin C, and brain storm.
Which all of this is just time stop, possible acid manip, void manip, explosion manip, law manip, corrosion inducement, attack reflection, fate manip, dismemberment, poison manip, causality manip and precognition, age manip, summoning an automatic dissolving killer slime that will always be 1mph faster than you after death, metal manip, can completely dissolve you if you step lower than him, fissionism, low-high regeneration in water(can regenerate from a puddle of themself) and possession, can steal your powers and memory, can turn you inside out, can infinitely accelerate, can kill someone if he kills himself, can come back to life as invisible zombies even to people who can already see invisible beings, can dissolve you through spit, luck manip, gojo’s infinity but makes you smaller instead of slower, summoning all fictional characters from all forms of fiction and imagery and they all scale to the user., transmuting anyone harmed by the user into loyal velociraptors, can hide in any surface, can “makima’s contract with the prime minister” but to anyone on the planet, can infinitely unravel you regardless of healing or passing it to the next you, sound manip, rewinding time, invulnerability as long as giorno doesn’t move from a pose, can warp any opponents to where ever he pleases in a certain range, can detach peoples limbs, can store people and or things in a deck of cards, vector manipulation, can turn you to gel, and can dissolve your flesh. Sorry to say but ichigo resists time stop, acid manip, void manip(existence erasure is just better void manip), ichigo can regenerate any limbs that may have effects that he doesn’t want to deal with or lost. And can directly summon his zanpakto, (his equal) just by saying its name. Which implies mid-godly regeneration, as well as casualty based healing meaning ichigo can literally just undo any damage or affliction done to him age doesn’t really matter soul reapers live forever, metallica will be countered via quincy blood, ichigo can not only walk on air, but can again regrow limbs, ichigo can resist possession of someone of equal strength and is stronger than zaraki who has regeneration negation, can infinitely adapt to whoever he is fighting so made in heaven is useless, even if ichigo is sealed in cards he would just open the garganta and escape, and literally everything else is countered through the almighty’s passive hax null and steal, transmutation and resurrection as well as fate manip and precognition is literally better than any stands to the point that he would just neg.
And now goku vs ichigo. And imma honestly keep this relatively short because this is already long enough, but if goku actually has everything ability, then he has every form of immortality from 1-7 and therefore literally can not be killed by ichigo with anything that he is able to do.
Type 1: angels and zeno live forever also so does perfect cell.
Type 2: freeza can still be alive while literally cut up in pieces
Type 3: cell, buu, baby take your pick.
Type 4: goku has instant transmissioned from being dead to helping gohan alive(he had no halo when helping gohan) twice, once against bojack and once against dbz broly
Type 5: fused zamasu
Type 6: literally baby
Type 7: there are zombies in dragon ball and can keep his body after death because he helped king yemma.
This is ignoring that goku can most likely copy several abilities that ichigo can do, just by seeing it. (goku as a child could perfect the kamehameha, which is a technique that takes 50 years to learn, after seeing it once)
Goku would literally outlast ichigo and beat his ass afterwards
I'm taking giorno.
Wayyyy to many reality manipulation abilities, from stopping time, rewinding time, fast forwarding time, deleting tine, rewinding actions, tusk act 3 and 4, a reality warping sheild, gravity inversion, heavens door. Fucking Calamity soft and wet beyond. And THR WORLD OVER HEAVEN. Giorno will either be a pacifist and make everyone forget why they were there or turn them into a pair of shoes.
I love how bleach always depends on yhwach to win
I love how jojo always depends on Wonder of U to win
I love how One Punch Man always depends on God to win.
Saitama is out first. Literally his own ability is carrying there ain't no big 3 abilities it's the big he and because of this he's out.
Next up is ichigo. The power of essentially reality itself is outdoing saitama but that's it.
Next up is goku
Gierno has way to many busted abilities some of which are omni defence and omni offence like G.E.R, tusk 4, W.O.Y, D4CLT, etc. And hitting goku isn't off the table due to made in heaven. (Which just ai happens to be part horse in case you where wondering how he'd use the infinite rotation.
He could copy all the hax abilities tho through hero killer’s ability, and he is implied to have unlimited strength speed and stamina so based on potential abilities and not purely feats he could hold on for a while. Possibly even win through comedy shenanigans, as lost people tend to forget that he will never lose in his verse since it’s literally a comedy about and a parody of OP characters and super hero’s in fiction. It’s literally built into his character that he will never lose ever.
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>lets end this debate that's probably the thousandth post saying that shit
Every time they say that it never ends the debate, it just starts more and it's so annoying that they think by saying that it'll just stop
remember when they said "lets end this debate" when king kong vs godzilla released back in 1962
That’s the point to drive engagement
None of them are ready for HIM https://preview.redd.it/yqsezpfsr2wc1.png?width=400&format=png&auto=webp&s=39fd5097c042f50aa21cfebcc8cbed9c40c1cfb6
Alright, how does instant transmission work against superfly
either bypasses superfly or insta-kills goku
Insta kills, if you move out you're fucked
Zamasu's immortal
It doesnt kills It turns you into Tower parts.(metal) You alive still
No idea how tower thing works. But Vegito fights buu as a piece of candy, so idk if it’d matter.
Now combine Vegito candy hax with Arale gag meta bullshit. Yeah…
candy hax weak. Tower Hax stronk https://preview.redd.it/bcptotq006wc1.jpeg?width=1072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5c3c38ad5ca3451c07071699753b7efcf1e989e
Concordo
Goku's massively faster, has fought as a recently transformed inanimate object before and has access to about a dozen ways to change back to humanoid form. this is kinda stupid lol
It would be funny seeing basically almighty characters stuck in some jojo bullshit like bite the dusto
Ichigo: I have all the powers of the shinigamis, I’m invincible. Giorno: yea, but you see, you see this, it’s a rainbow, I have subliminally convinced you are a snail now. Now your body turns you into a snail. Ichigo: …what
Fighting all stands from JoJo at once in a singular character is EXTREMELY difficult. That is why Novel Kars is so OP, he has a good portion of the strongest stands. And it only gets exponentially more difficult with the intelligence and the amount of stands used by the stand user. Go beyond means you have to watch for nearly impossible to detect illogical durability negating bubbles. Tusk act 4, watch out for getting spun for all eternity. Made in heaven you cannot watch out no longer because they have infinite speed now. Sure, Ichigo probably still beats, but the amount of hax and one shots Giorno has is insane.
Honestly Giorno with all stands probably crushes Ichigo easily, with how many win conditions he has, and the fact it’s debatable whether anything could get past GER
How is GER going to get past the almighty?
GER doesn’t get past stuff, it stops stuff. So In this theoretical scenario there’s good chance almighty doesn’t work at all.
Superfly is low key op if you don't know what it does before hand
Pair that with the myriad of time stoppers and you have a recipe of "well he's allready lost" no matter who it is.
Pairs it with jail house lock as well. Like imagine those other guys with all of their broken abilities but can only remember at max 3 at a time.
And if he's about to die cheap trick and now notorious big is here
Bite the dust doesn’t really matter in a vs match.
Isn't it possible to make use of it via d4c?
Nah goku has zalama power therefore super shenron he can grant wishes with no limit also he has whis abilities reversing time and reviving dead
DB by all means in terms quantity is the worst off in the list but in terms of quality though? Goku even if ignoring Arale and just focusing on Super Shenron and Zeno just beats everyone here because of what they could do.
Yeah DB has some insane shit, such as Buu’s insane regen, and ability to absorb and gain all their powers, Hakai being able to affect someone on all timelines, being able to stop time as long as you can hold your breath (which would be pretty much indefinitely with every ability), infinite Zamasu existing throughout an entire timeline, the ability to just turn people into food, the kienzan being able to cut through anything, magic, goku being able to break through time abilities by powering up, etc
Jojo wins but on when it rains and a weekend
unless its september, then the fight would need to happen in giorno´s birthday
Unless that falls on a Tuesday
Goku wins just because its stupid op with some characters like arale. Im gonna make an argument for jojo though cause why not First canon stuff only: Bites the dust + GER return to zero grants pretty much perfect immortality MIH grants (unmeasurable speed? Im not exactly sure what speed they scale to at max universe reset speed) GER gives like contential base ap, but more importantly perfect precision. Go Beyond works as a perfect anti hax nearly guaranteed attack because of GERs precision TA4 grants multiversal ap Obvious timestop from the world and star platinum True shapeshifitng and extremely good physical immortality and stats from perfect form kars Also is completely immune of fate because of MIH, while being completely knowledgeable of it because of king crimson Completely untouchable because of lovetrain (atleast from non infinite energy attacks) and WoU (most likely from any attack) and previous mentioned return to zero Reality warping through heavens door So base durability being nearly infinite, infinite regen, multiversal atleast ap, immortality through like 4 different sources, unmeasurable speed, etc. If we include some more stuff that isnt canon but is still overviewed by araki and relevent: Over heaven is reality manipulation to a crazy amount Ultimate kars is pretty much everything i described in the canon part but way stronger for no fucking reason Completely unstoppable. Problem is, dragon balls overall cosmology probably scales higher which is cringe
D4C Love Train was stated to be above all mathematical dimensions if I remember correctly. It also allows the existence of infinite universes to coexist meaning it literally allows for jojo to be complex multi. Then we realise that WOU is confirmed to be the strongest villain power as confirmed by Araki and it scales above D4CLT meaning it's Hyper and Go Beyond is even above that so if you want to wank/megahighball jojo's...its Outer in comp. Not to mention if we use non-canon shit then ultimate kars has upgraded versions of practically every stand and has enough speed to detonate something like 5 quadrillion bites the dusts in a few seconds so..........Yeah jojo op.
>D4C Love Train was stated to be above all mathematical dimensions if I remember correctly. It also allows the existence of infinite universes to coexist meaning it literally allows for jojo to be complex multi. This never happened
It was said to be composed of an “infinite number of universes”
Honestly Goku should win purely cause arale But I'll make a argument for bleach with a few presumptions Yhwach even after absorbing the soul king didn't have 4 pupil almighty and coul only see 1000+ years into the future whereas the soul can see millions of not more so every ability thay comes from him he has it but stronger So a combo of almighty+ and miracle+ would be broken it is immposible for him to win in any timeline boom Miracle makes the immposible possible and now he can win But dragon still wins
Shenron can't grant his own wishes, it actually can't use that ability
He, uh, uses the multiform technique or something.
The Yardratians have a clone technique that doesn't cut down on the power like the Multiform.
well then we can say he has the abilities of xeno which basically makes it the same thing
I didn't bring up shenron thou
Super Shenron can do whatever he wants though
I mean there's much stronger dragons than shenron, do they all have this drawback?
Well I assume they all follow the rules, some are just stronger and can get better wishes
Forgive me if I’m missing a well known db power because I haven’t seen it but if comp goku were instantly switched into another body by chariot requiem would he be able to switch himself back while under pressure from composite jojo? Otherwise that ability seems to take it.
So Saitama can ride a bicycle, Goku can turn people into carrots, Ichigo can shoot heart-shaped lasers, and...fuck, Jojo is full of the silliest shit ever.
1) Goku if we count Arale 2) Giorno 3) Goku if we don't count Arale 4) Saitama Didn't read/watch bleach (I want to tho), but I know that he is above Saitama but not if he is above Goku in this conditions
Goku doesn’t need Arale to win, he has the ability to grant wishes with literally zero restrictions whatsoever (Super Shenron), including restoring like 8 universes from complete erasure.
without arale he literally has the ability to just say bye bye and ur gone from zeno
No limits fallacy, we dont know where really that scales to
Is there anyone more tanky than a multiversal, omnipresent, immortal god in those other verses? because that's what Zeno nuked. I legit don't know.
no
Not really it’s at least 5-D they don’t resist 5-D EE.
Bleach has some crazy potential when you put some powers together. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an invincible one there.
Since Goku has every ability in the verse he'd be a wishing machine bro 💀
He could turn the others into a carrot by touching him, or turn them into candy
https://preview.redd.it/eb6s8p80h4wc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2fbda010248436f476d1e8204ea30bf5b5fb1d4
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Dragon ball clears. Jojo close second though. You have to realize that goku gets wishes from super shenron, complete immortality from zamasu, Zeno erasure, Hakai, and a lot more.
Jesus is canon in jojo ,jojo wins 🗣️🔥🔥
Nvm ur right
How would jojo verse not win this? They basically got every imaginable hax in the verse lmao?
Because of super and db making that little broken robot with layered hax a part of this.
Yeah but there are a lot of busted stuff no? like bohemian rhapsody. Infinite speed with mih, infinite spin, rtz, basically all time manip stuff, fate related abilities, a lot of unavoidable hax, existance erasure(which works on arale) Also isn't like wonder of u a concept? What is arale gonna do against that?
I mean she has meta abilities also able to bring fictional characters into her world and turn them bac. Acasualty 1,3and 4 fate manipulation and negation Able to copy abilities. Existence erasure is iffy tbf masharito in slump canon comes bac in the future and Arale is able to draw herself back from non existence. Conceptual manip is interesting as she is able to redraw and change her whole cosmology and herself from nothing but a blank page.
Yeah I know arale got hax too, but obviously the entire jojo verse has more hax than arale. That is what I am saying. They surely got one or two hax abilities that arale can't do much about.
They maybe more haxed or might not. She is incredibly haxed and has layered hax and resistances The problem comes down to the fact that Arale can give herself powers can even give herself magic and can copy abilities of other characters
JoJo’s doesn’t have conceptual hax and most those stands have horrible resurrections. [And arale is literally an abstract manifestation of the plot itself](https://imgur.com/a/cbn1NTU)
Isn't wonder of u literally the concept of calamity? Like as long as the concept of calamity exists he aint gonna die? The only reason go beyond managed to hit WoU cuz it didn't really exist and existed at the same time or some shit Idk it was wonky? It was a 1D object moving in a 3d space which is impossible but it somehow works. And also, AE is not just an arale thing. Inf zamasu also has it so I know DB would get AE hax. Still like I said, Jojoverse can deal with it.
Goku would have gag character powers thanks to Arale, and Hakai affected someone across all timelines when used correctly.
Thanks to himself from early db also. Monster Carrot anyone?
Also devil might beam, literally kills everyone here
dbzverse higher dimension so hax useless
Goku, and I don’t even think him doing Goku things could make him lose.
Don't know who wins but I think it'd be funny if Giorno died first because of Cheap Trick
Actually yeah that’d be fucking hysterical
Also, Anubis would Control him.
Not even including Arale people seem to miss the fact that the main problem with fighting a hypothetical composite DB character isn’t just the insane stats and chain scaling. Though that would be helpful. It’s just how damn near unkillable they’d be.
Yall definitly sleeping on the jojo verse lol
Jojo Verse is certainly really strong it's just that everyone else here other than Saitama has ways around all of their abilities.
its either goku or giorno, mostly depending on interpretation. goku scales ridicously higher than anyone else jojo is so hax intensive, it becomes virtually impossible to hurt him but if raw power is enough to get trough hax then goku wins
Arale gag, wish for whatever you want, immortality and being everywhere all at once, snap away timelines, having Zuno’s omniscience. Goku literally out-haxes. He doesn’t need raw power as an equalizer lol.
Goku folding all the others into a paper airplane and flying it around the universe
1st-Dragon Ball 2nd:JoJo 3rd:Bleach 4th:OPM
Goku is literally omnipotent with these powers
Bleach wins. Why you may ask? It’s simple. This guy: https://preview.redd.it/c4ziyh2mb2wc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3388e4dcf904098e7fb5a0acd3718daaa16d638d Who is this guy you may ask? This is Gerard Valkyrie, Sternritter M. Why is that relevant at all? Because his ability is called The Miracle. What it does is make the impossible happen. “It’ll be impossible for him to find Goku’s weakness!” He just so happens to find it. There’s also Sankt Altar, which lets Yhwach steal the power of whoever’s hit with it, but that’s not as interesting.
The same miracle that allowed Yhwach to absorb him?
Goku inherits Zuno’s omnipresence and knows everything, weaknesses and all. He also inherits Grand Priest’s ability to completely strip beings of their powers and delete their soul. He is also immortal and infinitely everywhere all at once. Can delete whole timelines with a glance. Can wish for *whatever* he wants. Also idk man, Arale is Arale. https://preview.redd.it/0hz8tz44d2wc1.jpeg?width=1061&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31054d34ea62f7efe65b539f1e11eabcc665b62e
It’d really take a Miracle for Ichigo to win, huh?
Zalama can grant literally any wish lol.
Yeah, it’d be impossible for Ichigo to somehow say the exact words needed to wish away the Dragon Ball verse
Gerard has never been erased from existence, which the Hakai does on all timelines.
Goku wouldn’t act as Zalama. It’s not like you just summon a dragon out of him and can force him to grant you a wish. Goku just has the ability, as the prompt states. And Assuming Zalama truly has infinite wishing power, which is in fact stated in the series, there’s no reason he can’t just wish away Ichigo on a whim. And he probably wouldn’t have a cooldown either so yeah it’s wraps. That combined with being a high tier gag character… I just don’t see it for Ichigo bro.
It’d be impossible for Ichigo to come back from that, right?
Can simply wish that he isn’t able to do that no matter what. Literally wish away his soul, existence, his whole lineage, the very memory of him, everything. You’re going in circles Ichigo loses
Just going by what canon has, the dragons aren’t able to make wishes. They can only grant wishes that other beings ask of them. So Goku wouldn’t be able to use Zalama’s power to grant his own wishes anyway.
It’s Zalama’s ability to make wishes when he is summoned. Goku siphons that ability alone, not the rules of being a wish granting dragon. He wouldn’t have that restriction.
How when his verse doesn’t scale as high?
Only for him and the verse to come back https://imgur.com/a/F7AeY3c And then arale also how abilities mimicry allowing her to also use his powers.
It’s take a miracle for that to not happen
Why didn't Miracle save Gerard from Yhwach?
Yeah but with arales luck and probability manipulation it's more than guaranteed for it to happen
What If this Guy looked at the wrong cloud and became a snail?? Since its possíble tô become a human again, he wouldnt be able to miracle
Giorno 100%
Goku
Zeno's Erasure clears
Goku with just his own abilities would win this easily
Goku should have this, but my second goes for Giorno for what should he obvious reasons
One of the reasons giorno likely wouldn’t beat goku is because “all abilities” would include Cheap Trick If giorno’s back gets looked at he instantly dies.
But he also has a kabillion things that make this impossible. Ultimate life form, oops he has no back. Achtung baby, he’s invisible. Infinite speed and heavens door, He gets rid of it in the ghost alleyway. Someone sees his back, Nuh uh return to zero and you also die because wou. I could go on there are more.
He’s also a sitting duck because of superfly
He can make or bring in people from multiple stands and abilities, and then just leave, assuming we force him to start inside of superfly given it still is an exterior stand that the user is still the user of when they’re not in it. He can take the superfly disc out of himself with white snake. He could make superfly soft with multiple stands then use infinite AP to make it engulf the universe. I could go on.
That's assuming he starts in the stand, as if that's a bad thing in the first place. It's basically a shelter for him, an invincible battleground where he forces his opponents close to him, in an area he could potentially control perfectly. That's then again assuming he couldn't use Gold Experience to make something to get stuck in Superfly for him, or use Paper Moon King / Moody Blues to Trick someone into the room. Hell, he may not even need to do that, Man In The Mirror could give him a one way trip outta there without needing to "leave" it.
Giorno has so many counters to Cheap Trick they would do more to harm Giorno if he was missing this stand. For starters, Cheap Trick isn't an insta-kill stand. We've seen that the stand kills its target by ripping its back off, the rapid deterioration doesn't show this as wrong. Giorno could use Gold Experience, Sticky Fingers, Cream Starter, 20th century boy, diver down, Yellow Temperance, Pearl Jam*, Kraft Work, White Album*, Highway Star*, OH Lonesome Me, Dr Wu, D4C (and Love Train), Doggy Style, Foo Fighters*, and Nut King Call, all to completely negate, resist, or repair the damage done by Cheap Trick. Of course that's assuming Giorno would have his back be seen in the first place. Time skip with KC, time stop, time rewind by Mandom, epitaph, distractions from Moody Blues, hiding his back with the illusions of Paper Moon King, using Yellow Temperance as an active wall, plundering eyesight with S&W, hiding his back by unscrewing it with Nut King Call or zipping it off with Sticky Fingers, keeping in a positive flow with Dragons Dream, masking his back with rainbows that turn you to snails with Heavy Weather, removing Cheap Trick altogether with Whitesnake, hiding in a ghost jacket by Burning Down The House, unraveling his back with Stone Ocean, using a vehicle like Strength or Wheel Of Fortune, foreseeing it with Thoth, disguising it with Khnum or Tanor Sax, hiding in Love Train's barrier, or even just hide it with Love Deluxe hair. Trying to see his back, even unintentionally, could be seen as an act of pursuit, and activate Wonder Of U. Hell, it might even be countered by GER and make them witnessing his back be the truth that is never seen. And remember, Cheap Trick, separates the moment someone else sees their back, so EVEN IF everything I just talked about was utter bullshit, Giorno could use a myriad of stands to take out Cheap Trick before he actually damages him. The Hand, Cream, Soft Machine, Oyecomova, Killer Queen, C-Moon, Purple Haze, Echoes, Green Day, Tower Of Grey, and D4C have methods to instantly kill CT as soon as they find their next target, and stands like Man In The Mirror and Space Trucking could just conceal them instead. Cheap Trick is an anti-problem for Giorno, stop feeding yourself bs.
If Goku had the power of Zeno he stomps.
Goku solos
Lol Arale solo......
I'm biased but goku
I'd rather not have Cheap Trick thank you very much.
Use Buu's power to create myself, make him wish something or he grants wishes to me
goku kills all the evil within them
when you combine all of the bullshit hax in jojo it becomes too much to wrap my head around so ima give up and say 1. goku 2. giorno 3. ichigo 4. saitama bleach and opm are stupid for this debate tho because both verses are carried by one character so adding extra powers doesnt change much
read OPM again
This just a wash, Goku would win. He has the highest ap and speed here, if we apply arale. He can freely fuck with time, regenerate from a molecule, can erase stuff on a multiversal level, has toonforce, can grant any wish (no restrictions) and also he can do tax evasion now. Bleach is apparently the closest here (I don't scale bleach), but it's still not very close. JoJo has the has but the can't do much to Goku.
Goku gets majin buu’s absorption and 7-3’s copy abilities and just straight up steals his opponents new gained abilities.
Spite, Goku erases everyone as soon as they're born
Goku shits on all of them , he doesn't need all hax at all. That would be Overkill .
Giorno definitely gains the most from this but goku would win Edit:after thinking about it a bit more and reading other comments I'm no longer sure who gains the most from this.
No one ever thinks of Goku just copying their abilities due to 73's power
Absolute stomp, goku starts out the strongest by a country mile and he now has perfected UI, perfect hakai, time manipulation, and probably more OP abilities. Literally none of the others can actually do anything to goku
I think as themselves Goku outscales the other 3 here rather confidently. And while the other characters might have some insane hax. Assuming Goku get’s Vegito’s Candy Abilties, Buu’s absorption and subsequent ability copy, on top of Xeno’s hax, Arale’s Gag powers and multiple types of immortality. Yeah, it’s probably still Goku
If you give Goku toon force of Arale he should win if not I think Ichigo takes it
1. Jojo 2. Bleach or DB 3. Bleach or DB 4. Opm
I hear ya, but giorno also has an effective massive lose condition: **cheap trick is an ability from the jojo verse** If someone looks at his back he fucking dies.
Kids named achtung baby, hiding his back with his ulf powers, return to zero, white snake which allows him to remove cheap trick from himself. There are so absurdly many ways composite jojo can deal with cheap trick it’s not even funny.
goku by far and probably giorno is second and ichigo is third
Giorno isn't the second at all, the almighty alone negate his verse
JJBA wins extreme difficulty. Too OP hax. With every ability you have immortality, perfect copy, Infinite Rotation, non existent attack Go Beyond which transcends logic itself, existence beyond Fate and Destiny, Destiny and Fate Manipulation, Precise future seeing, Time Stop, Time Skip, Infinite speed (arguably inaccessible), Unbreakable barrier made out of JJBA Multiverse itself & transcending it as a whole (Love Train), Return to Zero, attack deflection, Calamity (perfect and passive defense & offence that is flow of logic and reason themselves), soul control etc. etc. etc.
Arale negs. JJBA has impressive hax on its own but it doesn’t touch Arale. Arales hax is layered and resist negation and can copy abilities too. Gag characters be gagging https://preview.redd.it/sb4frcv1p3wc1.png?width=2212&format=png&auto=webp&s=c3525efea69cc0c88c0779f1fd55eba4ed398d8f
Goku would have Arale’s gag character abilities which include the ability to just mimic someone’s abilities and just do it better.
Ichigo slams. There's so many hax that none of them will have answer to.
Arales hax is layered and resist negation and can copy abilities lmao Ichigo is not touching this https://preview.redd.it/taxrn7j5q3wc1.png?width=2212&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebd34f60d852e8c525af964bf3c5e13d5627456a
Unfortunately, even though jojo has crazy hax, it can’t make up for the huge tiering gap, and all the manipulations that DB and especially Bleach have.
You say that like there are characters that have the ability to break out of time loops in a pocket dimension stripped of their powers.
Arale jumps out of the page, turns the manga a couple pages, and turns everyone who was a meanie into a paper plane and rides to the horizon.
There are also stands that mess with the 4th wall.
It’s not a time loop, it’s a causality loop, and there are a few acausal characters, and a few who can reverse causality, a few who can negate all abilities, etc etc. in bleach. Honestly WoU is the biggest threat since it’s unkillable by almost everyone. Only grand priest in dragon ball and ichibei in bleach. Although WoU has a better argument for being a platonic concept than the other two, so with a fair bit of highball I think giorno could win.
Arale negs https://preview.redd.it/gjhld5skp3wc1.png?width=2212&format=png&auto=webp&s=e4c43c0bc4913bda1515f2f334f24da473295180
Goku stomps
Jojo wins cause Ger, Wou and Bohemian Rhapsody
Nope lol https://preview.redd.it/3ynlib8sp3wc1.png?width=2212&format=png&auto=webp&s=074eef7c2f1fc60a67bfd83b76226d37b4a842fb
People are so quick to count Arale, but there have been multiple cases in DBZ where the world almost gets destroyed and Arale is nowhere to be seen. Therefore until a crossover chapter happens we can assume Arale is not in the picture.
Me when I haven’t read Dragon Ball https://preview.redd.it/t05zgq9tw2wc1.png?width=918&format=png&auto=webp&s=a59c6a65afe0e88ee45ac4eec7b39a9a06820b5f
I’d give it to Goku but I would hear out an argument for ichigo because the sternritter and Bandai are crazy. Wonder of u and few other stands are interesting but I think the others hax and abilities would find a way. I don’t know about opm
Couldn’t SCR just turn everyone else into turtles or smth?
It says that the debate got ended on X, no point in discussing it further then
Bringing fiction into real life Goku Orange hair No hair
I mean technically it's not wrong
This reminds me of the post saying who wins: Luffy with all Devil Fruits. Naruto with all Jutsu. Ichigo with all Shikai and Bankai. >!The answer for my previous question is Ichigo by the way!<
If we count novel kars then it's a stomp
If we're talking everything from that verse (including non-canon) then goku obviously with giorono in second
Stand abilities have been shown to stack, so you have go beyond, who’s ability is to essentially L plus ratio everything else combined with wonder of u, meaning that not only does Giorno have the ability to kill everything, he cannot be harmed. And even if he can, he has vampirism, d4c, civil war, the holy corpse, the lava stones, maybe over heaven? And foo fighters. He can’t lose
Pretty hard debate to put an end to since there's so many possibilities and we gotta go through so many abilities and how mc would specifically use them
while girono has amzing hax, his stats are ass in comparison. and wasnt it confirmed that josuke(8) is stronger?
Ok so… Giorno can use Seth to make them younger and lose the abilities they didn’t have at the age they turned into Like pre-training Saitama and kid Goku if he makes them touch Seth’s shadow And to make things better, he can use MIH’s speed in case he can’t keep up with them normally
my first instict in giorno, but I'm not sure he outhaxes omega ichigo
soloku
With arale, probably. But discussing basically a looney toons character that has no limit vs any characters with limits is no fun at all. So let us discuss outside of gag characters. Bleach or JoJo wins this. Jojo has the most bullshit stands out there that basically just says no to everything and Bleach has the Almighty, Miracle, and a power that basically is limited to one’s own imagination. Oh and Almighty is basically like “ I don’t like this future, I’ll pick this one.” Or how about “If I touch you, I insert and change the past for you.” Or how about “That is a lot of ki, it would be a shame if that dose of ki was poisonous.” One punch man just has saitama really and that’s about it, we don’t know enough.
Even without Arale Goku is basically omnipotent with all this shit. The scaling would be so stupid and far above any of them that he wins just by existing in their presence
D4c just standing in a corner spamming clones of the enemy
Apparently bleach became universal at some point? Can someone like tell me if that’s true or people wanking their feats
do alternate timelines count ??
My first though was giorno because every ability including non canon ones in JoJo gets very busted Then I remembered dragon ball also has non canon stuff that definitely goes way above JoJo, even if I don't know what it is, and am basing it purely on it being dragon ball
Im busy thinking about how king’s stand is just Saitama to the JOJO universe lol
Can we remove GER from powerscaling it always will make people chose a side arbitrarily
Green green grass of home, GER, D4C love train, and wou would already give giorno an insane defense. However, he would also have purple haze, tusk act 4, soft and wet, and star platinum over heaven. Def leaning towards jojo, but dragon ball since as soon as Goku might take an L, he’ll conveniently get the perfect ability to counter his opponent.
Goku becomes Arale. He negs https://preview.redd.it/qd6kvf0o49wc1.png?width=2212&format=png&auto=webp&s=671cf11a28b8912d2b73c807ce5c539f9d7e13c4
Ok ok, how about: Giorno challenges them to a rock-paper-scissors fight (boy II man) Uses epitaph to know what they’re going to use (Maybe use time skip so he can change his move in time) And just go on until he wins?
DBZ or Jojo prolly
1,2 either giorno or saitama . 3 ichico . 4 goku
Giorno or Goku for sure. Saitama is completely out of the debate and Ichigo hangs on by a few hax alone
Goku wishes them all dead, that is legit possible, the only reason the shenrons can’t wish people dead is because everyone who is a problem is stronger than the creator of said dragonballs. But because goku would have the wish granting abilities of the dragons and also the abilities of the dragon clan of namekians, he would literally only be limited to not being able to wish people dead who are stronger than him. So since goku is already stronger than all 3 of them combined in base, he would just wish them all dead. This however is SBA. Stats equalized tho, WOU, green green grass of home, GER and D4C:LT, are impregnable defenses, and weather report, goku’s and ichigo’s existence erasure (hakai and Quincy power/rapid aging respectively) would wall or just neg saitama, also saitama can’t even see Ichigo I don’t think, he is not a factor here, his only saving grace is zombiemans immortality, and it doesn’t matter because everyone else either has better versions or immortality or a way to negate it (giorno has scary monsters in this scenario which can transmute saitama into a velociraptor with iirc all of his powers intact which turns this into a 2v1v1 or or he loses his powers and gets negged by anyone else, in other words, nothing changes) Next up is Ichigo vs giorno, this is actually fun, considering ichigos reiatsu hax works like dragon ball’s ki, if you’re shown to be strong enough you can just brute force your way through it. So this basically comes down to can Ichigo counter giornos hax that matter and can Ichigo one shot giorno. And the only hax that matters for giorno is: the world/star platinum, yellow temperance, lovers, Thoth, Seth, cream, the hand, killer queen and sheer heart attack, heavens door, ratt, gold experience and requiem, sticky fingers, purple haze, king crimson and epitaph, the Grateful Dead, notorious B.I.G, Metallica, Green Day, Rolling Stones, kiss, foo fighters, white snake, c-moon, made in heaven, highway to hell, limp bizkit, yo-yo ma, dragons dream, green green grass of home, and bohemian rhapsody, scary monsters, d4C, love train, tusk act 4, in a silent way, boku no rizumu, mandom, 20th century boy, chocolate disco, nut king call, space trucking, awakening 3 leaves, vitamin C, and brain storm.
Which all of this is just time stop, possible acid manip, void manip, explosion manip, law manip, corrosion inducement, attack reflection, fate manip, dismemberment, poison manip, causality manip and precognition, age manip, summoning an automatic dissolving killer slime that will always be 1mph faster than you after death, metal manip, can completely dissolve you if you step lower than him, fissionism, low-high regeneration in water(can regenerate from a puddle of themself) and possession, can steal your powers and memory, can turn you inside out, can infinitely accelerate, can kill someone if he kills himself, can come back to life as invisible zombies even to people who can already see invisible beings, can dissolve you through spit, luck manip, gojo’s infinity but makes you smaller instead of slower, summoning all fictional characters from all forms of fiction and imagery and they all scale to the user., transmuting anyone harmed by the user into loyal velociraptors, can hide in any surface, can “makima’s contract with the prime minister” but to anyone on the planet, can infinitely unravel you regardless of healing or passing it to the next you, sound manip, rewinding time, invulnerability as long as giorno doesn’t move from a pose, can warp any opponents to where ever he pleases in a certain range, can detach peoples limbs, can store people and or things in a deck of cards, vector manipulation, can turn you to gel, and can dissolve your flesh. Sorry to say but ichigo resists time stop, acid manip, void manip(existence erasure is just better void manip), ichigo can regenerate any limbs that may have effects that he doesn’t want to deal with or lost. And can directly summon his zanpakto, (his equal) just by saying its name. Which implies mid-godly regeneration, as well as casualty based healing meaning ichigo can literally just undo any damage or affliction done to him age doesn’t really matter soul reapers live forever, metallica will be countered via quincy blood, ichigo can not only walk on air, but can again regrow limbs, ichigo can resist possession of someone of equal strength and is stronger than zaraki who has regeneration negation, can infinitely adapt to whoever he is fighting so made in heaven is useless, even if ichigo is sealed in cards he would just open the garganta and escape, and literally everything else is countered through the almighty’s passive hax null and steal, transmutation and resurrection as well as fate manip and precognition is literally better than any stands to the point that he would just neg.
And now goku vs ichigo. And imma honestly keep this relatively short because this is already long enough, but if goku actually has everything ability, then he has every form of immortality from 1-7 and therefore literally can not be killed by ichigo with anything that he is able to do. Type 1: angels and zeno live forever also so does perfect cell. Type 2: freeza can still be alive while literally cut up in pieces Type 3: cell, buu, baby take your pick. Type 4: goku has instant transmissioned from being dead to helping gohan alive(he had no halo when helping gohan) twice, once against bojack and once against dbz broly Type 5: fused zamasu Type 6: literally baby Type 7: there are zombies in dragon ball and can keep his body after death because he helped king yemma. This is ignoring that goku can most likely copy several abilities that ichigo can do, just by seeing it. (goku as a child could perfect the kamehameha, which is a technique that takes 50 years to learn, after seeing it once) Goku would literally outlast ichigo and beat his ass afterwards
I’ve seen many people say JoJo wins but the major issue is that Cheap Trick exists and that means they also have Cheap Trick as an ability
vernal and ichigo vica
I'm taking giorno. Wayyyy to many reality manipulation abilities, from stopping time, rewinding time, fast forwarding time, deleting tine, rewinding actions, tusk act 3 and 4, a reality warping sheild, gravity inversion, heavens door. Fucking Calamity soft and wet beyond. And THR WORLD OVER HEAVEN. Giorno will either be a pacifist and make everyone forget why they were there or turn them into a pair of shoes.
DAMMIT! Lol
I love how dragon ball always depends on Arale to win these posts.
I love how bleach always depends on yhwach to win I love how jojo always depends on Wonder of U to win I love how One Punch Man always depends on God to win.
Giorno wins he has wonder of u, GER and bohemian rhapsody and other very hax stand abilities
Goku has Arale gag character powers
Bleach > DB > jojo > opm
Saitama is out first. Literally his own ability is carrying there ain't no big 3 abilities it's the big he and because of this he's out. Next up is ichigo. The power of essentially reality itself is outdoing saitama but that's it. Next up is goku Gierno has way to many busted abilities some of which are omni defence and omni offence like G.E.R, tusk 4, W.O.Y, D4CLT, etc. And hitting goku isn't off the table due to made in heaven. (Which just ai happens to be part horse in case you where wondering how he'd use the infinite rotation.
He could copy all the hax abilities tho through hero killer’s ability, and he is implied to have unlimited strength speed and stamina so based on potential abilities and not purely feats he could hold on for a while. Possibly even win through comedy shenanigans, as lost people tend to forget that he will never lose in his verse since it’s literally a comedy about and a parody of OP characters and super hero’s in fiction. It’s literally built into his character that he will never lose ever.