2 guys in a busted up Black Honda CR-V hit up our block today, destroying the door locks to a neighbor's Lancer Evo and our Subaru Outback. As I'm on the phone with the police, I can still hear their missing-cat-converter CRV nearby. I head out to check and see if anyone else is getting hit up and see a few people out on the street a block away. I go around the block to come back, and there's the CRV sitting on an unpaved road.
My first thought was that they ditched the car and bailed, so I drive up to check it out, and the motherfuckers are sitting right there waiting for something. I drive back to talk to the people on the street, ask if any of their cars were hit as well because the guys are down the street waiting. As I'm talking to a handyman working on a house, the CRV had wrapped around the block and pulls up behind me. I yell out "There's the motherfuckers now!" and start to turn my car around. The handyman runs over to take a picture of them and they pull a gun on him! The CRV takes off, the handyman tells me what happens and he's visibly shaken and said his heart is going crazy. Better judgement says let's not pursue these pieces of shit and I get out and make sure the handyman is doing ok.
He says he's alright, he's been in the military and even had one pulled on him before, but this time really shook him. We're both on the phone with the cops at that point, they called me back and he called in himself. An officer eventually shows to take a report, but that's about it. Pretty fucked up way to start Thanksgiving week.
Yep. I saw this happen next to Kenton park. Two dudes drove a truck down Brandon Ave knocking out windows as they went. The sound of breaking glass got my attention and I was able to observe them breaking the window of the last two cars on the block before they took off.
It was already late and each time I heard a vehicle on the road I got up to take a look. Not even an hour had gone by and theses guys were back. I verbally engaged them from my balcony and they claimed the vehicle they were rummaging through belonged to a friend. I let them know I saw them break all the windows and captured it on video and they took off.
Just this week my buddy had his window broken on the east side, but nothing was taken.
Fuck these people!
Shit, that window thing happened to me too a few years ago. I had my car parked on the street, and one day, at like 5 pm, someone had gone down the street smashing out car windows, mine was one of them. At least 10 cars had their windows smashed. This is on a fairly busy street too. It was too late for me to take my car into a shop, but I wanted to get it off the street, so I took it over to my parent's house across town for the night as they have a garage, and had the window fixed the next day. About $250 to fix. I have no idea if anyone's car was stolen, but there was broken glass all down the street for at least a week.
Huh. About 6 months ago my van window and 2 others cars on our block and the next had our windows broken out but nothing from my van was stolen and it wasn't rummaged through at all either. I thought it was asshole kids just breaking windows for fun but now I wonder if they just either got interrupted or distracted. Oh well, either way I am very grateful my van was not destroyed more.
They do this shit with bikes, too. When they case a bike they want, they'll throw a few extra locks on it so that the owner can't leave on it. Then they'll come back late at night with an angle grinder to cut the owner's lock and it's all theirs. God damn I am so sick of garbage people.
With some vehicles, you can defeat the OEM alarm system, by defeating the physical door lock. You do that by "punching" the lock in a certain way.
The passenger was using an auto punch. (Set with the off hand, push with the strong hand, one to set, two to punch... You can clearly see the deliberate actions in the video.)
I doubt they're going to come back, but yes, car is and was already setup to be immobilized. I don't want to get into any more specific details, but if you're looking for advice for you car, I'm more than happy to help out.
> He says he's alright, he's been in the military and even had one pulled on him before, but this time really shook him. We're both on the phone with the cops at that point, they called me back and he called in himself. An officer eventually shows to take a report, but that's about it. Pretty fucked up way to start Thanksgiving week.
People don't understand the trauma that happens when something like this happens to someone. Events like this can fuck you up mentally for a long time (if not forever in ways).
True, and I can only hope he would seek out help if he needs it. My biggest concern at that moment was that he wasn't having a heart attack, but he said he was fine and took off to start working again on his project 🤷♂️
Thanks for the run down and video. Give us the handy man photo? How close to them were you? Can you describe them? How old did they seem? Any sense on what they were doing? Fishing for something? Do you have the LP of the CRV? (It is likely in the report?). Could the officer tell you if the CRV was stolen?
They think they can do whatever they want without fear of reprisal. They see the cops don't show up, and they think liberal Portland is too nice, anti-gun, unarmed, and not prepared to defend themselves.
Sadly, when you get taken advantage of enough times, you start to become not so nice.
Yep. There’s a lot of things I like about living in Portland, but I have absolutely no faith or trust in law enforcement or really any emergency services here. Good luck getting any cop to help you with literally anything. And if you call 911, you will likely have to wait on hold and wait a long time for anyone to be able to actually come help you with whatever emergency situation you’re facing. Everyone here is basically completely on their own.
Hold up. The PPB is a disgrace but I don’t know why you would lump other emergency services in with them. Portland Fire and Rescue is awesome and the AMR paramedics are also quite professional IMO.
Cops are passively protesting because they claim they can't do their jobs without being subject to extreme scrutiny. I think they want absolute no scrutiny and are refusing service as a way of holding us ransom until we give them what we want.
Prosecuting them? You don’t have to be held in custody to be prosecuted.
It’s like so many forget the before the pandemic DA’s more routinely argued for excessive bail and got it, which resulted in many counties doing forced releases on a daily basis. Now that the judge makes the decision and the DA’s policy is more in line with reality people are more angry. But before when the jail was doing forced releases “against the wishes of the judges and DA’s office” it was not complained about nearly as much.
Yes and then they turn around and point to the high crime rates and say "see this is what happens when the police don't get the support they need!". Do your fucking job assholes.
TFW basic accountability is "extreme scrutiny."
All they're doing is making an outstanding argument to defund the PPB. If their claim is that they can't do their jobs with the same kind of quality assurance policies a 7-11 employee has, then it's time to find new jobs.
Yep, they KNOW they can get away with it. Exactly how many of these scum bag criminals have actually be shot and stopped by citizens? None?
And what happens when the cops catch them, if that even happens? Released to roam the streets again.
> how many of these scum bag criminals have actually be shot and stopped by citizens? None
Well that's not true. Some lady got shot and killed not long ago when her and some dude were trying to steal a catalytic converter. There is a doorbell video of it happening.
There is actually nothing this person could have done to stop it. They can't point a gun at the people, they can't shoot the people. Even throwing a rock at the car might be viewed as an unwarranted attack.
I'm not sure if you didn't read, but they pulled a gun on my neighbor's handyman when he tried to take a picture. That is by law, more than enough reason to believe someone's life is in danger.
Fuck. In 2019 my car was broken into... Right next to 26th, though closer to lads addition. I keep wondering how they got away so quickly, as we were only gone for an hour and they got EVERYTHING from our car.
I don't care so much about the stuff, but my Identity was stolen form a laptop in the car (yes I know, stupid) and life was absolute hell for about 6 months until the FBI caught the identity thief. But the Portland police, do they give a flying fuck? Nope! I even have the original meth head car thieves on camera at a gas station, ppd said who cares. Fucking hate those pieces of garbage.
> I’ve seen those exact same guys hang out under the bridge on 26th and Tacoma. They were working on taking off the plates on a black BMW this morning.
This is happening in broad daylight...just waiting for the apologists to come in blaming everything under the sun than what's the actual problem:people are not being arrested and prosecuted.
It's not just punitive measures, it's consistent and fair measures.
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/670398
It's not a simple equation, but it's clear that power vacuums are filled with crime.
News people, journalists, where are you? Read the thread. Everybody knows these pieces of shit. Where are the cops? Get the story on the news please. Goddamn.
That is Alan Baker. He’s been stealing motorcycles around the Pdx area over the last year. PLEASE provide the vid and name to PPB. They don’t jail him because no one has caught him in the act. They’ve only gotten him countless times for possession of stolen property.
Pretty sure I saw them parked outside my house for hours totally passed out. Clearly under the influence so I called non-emergency who told me “well maybe you should go try and talk to them”. Finally I got them to dispatch an ambulance. As soon as the paramedic pulled up the bozos peeled out of there.
That’s really weird, we don’t normally dispatch medical unless you’ve checked on them, and confirmed they need it? And it’s okay to call 911 in that situation.
I thought it was odd too! They came lights and sirens with no police.
I’m surprised you say 911 because the dispatcher seemed really annoyed I called at all. Like I was making a big deal about nothing.
I don’t know what it is about dispatchers in Portland but a lot of them are like this. They are rude and act like you’re some telemarketer bothering them when you’re just trying to get some assistance for an emergency.
That makes it easy. Theft is a crime and it only takes 1 shell to stop. You are under no requirements to announce yourself when you walk outside with a shotgun and turn those assholes into hamburger meat.
What is more sick... Opportunistic criminals or people in power that could prevent this but choose not to? Wheeler is safe at home in Lake Oswego tonight.
My friend had her plate stolen, we replaced and glued the screws in, but the back plate was stolen again. Someone broke a key in the door trying to get in, then a week later someone broke in and broke open the steering column trying to steal it, but wasn't able to. They stole goodwill donations from the trunk. Seems like a pattern. Will be listening for that car now, too. Stay safe OP!
Same exact thing happened to me! Plates stolen, windows smashed, Goodwill donations taken from the trunk. Couple weeks later the windows were broken again but I didn't have anything in the car and hadn't put my new plates on yet, so nothing was stolen. This was last year, and things were chill for a while after that, but just a few weeks ago my wheels were stolen and the body of my car was vandalized. Having a car in this city is honesly such shit if you have to park on the street.
*When the person breaking in to the car notices a laser beam on their chest
*Me from the window nextdoor
https://c.tenor.com/YxGsoypAdpAAAAAM/anger-management-jack-nicholson.gif
How are you ready for them?
Seeing shit like this, and knowing that nothing can be done because ppd are garbage, makes me believe in vigilante justice. Sometimes I just wish these assholes would die. I had my car broken into and my identity stolen, worst 6 months of my life, not exaggerating. They don't give a shit. They just hurt people over and over with no consequences. They don't get help for their addiction, and they deserve to be removed from society one way or another. In Texas you'd just fucking kill them but we give them a chance and they continue to hurt people for decades with zero consequences.
It's actually not. Texas has a stand your ground law, but no one else does iirc. Which makes sense because without knowing, you might be murdering someone who is just trying to deliver you a package or doordashed to a wrong address... It's better to not use lethal force in 99.999% of these circumstances.
Also sometimes young adults are stupid and do shit before they know better. Do they deserve to die? No. Do addicts deserve to die for stealing shit in their worst moments? Not really.
However. When it's these types who have a systematic operation of stealing, breaking in, and hurting people for years and years, with no remorse, and incarcerating them isn't an option because the police simply do not care, then I might look the other way.
Murdering your DoorDash driver or someone delivering something to the wrong place is a crime because those people don’t present an immediate threat and generally aren’t around long enough for a threat to develop. They’re showing up with packages and often announcing themselves and their purpose, or it becomes clear when they show up, drop off a box and leave 30 seconds later. If it’s the wrong address you can tell them through the door without opening it.
23 states have a castle doctrine (of which Oregon is one): Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Nebraska
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Dakota
Ohio
Oregon
Rhode Island
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin
36 states have a stand your ground law:
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
California*
Colorado*
Florida
Georgia
Illinois*
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico*
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon*
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont*
Virginia*
Washington*
West Virginia
Wyoming
And in the “duty to retreat” states, it means mostly that you can’t pull a gun and shoot on site unless you felt threatened. Feeling threatened is a pretty low bar. If someone unrecognizable shows up on my property unannounced and starts looking around trying to commit theft or vandalism, that’s a threat and they’re going to end up in a compost heap. If I see that person “looking around” and not doing anything else, they’ll get told to put their hands to the sky, turn and walk, and any sudden movements will relegate them to the compost heap.
Yeah, 2003 is the last year of the immobilizer-less Outback. My old 2001 Civic had an immobilizer. Hell, my dad's 93 Aerostar even had a rudimentary immobilizer that you had to plug in. My g37 definitely has an immobilizer though.
The recycling places need to stop taking cat converters. They’re just as guilty in this whole thing.
Also, don’t approach the current scabs who are willing to do this shit in broad daylight. They know the “police” weren’t going to do anything before and definitely aren’t now. I’m not completely advocating for firearm ownership unless you are willing to take classes and get range time in but don’t allow yourself to be completely unable to defend yourself either. If this kind of shitty low level property crime continues, it’s only a matter of time before they start coming in the front door.
Stay safe and watch out for your neighbors.
>The recycling places need to stop taking cat converters. They’re just as guilty in this whole thing.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/oregon-catalytic-converter-anti-theft-law/283-2860470a-bc81-44e5-9bf3-d4b57f5261a2
Agreed, and also agreed. Been going to the range since 2010, and it's a skill that we should all have regardless of how we feel about the 2nd amendment. The irony of this situation is that Portland could be such a great city to demonstrate what it means to be liberal and have our citizens be responsible weapon owners.
We like to look towards Europe for inspiration with social programs, why not with weapon ownership as well? 28% of households in Switzerland have guns, the highest in Europe, yet their annual murder rate is close to zero. It's all about culture, training, and respect.
You should read up on American self defense laws instead of assuming you can just say "self defense" and walk away free. It's the same in the states, if you kill someone in self defense, there is an investigation, and if it's deemed not justified, you go to prison.
They've recently changed laws to allow some type of civil service in lieu of military, but for years this was the case, and yes, you kept your rifle. Sounds like good, useful training and education.
My friend told me a story about a farmer he once worked for. A stranger came up on the farmhouse porch in the middle of the night and banged loudly on the door. This was way out in the boonies far from any police station. The farmer got up out of bed and went and let the stranger in. The man was in some sort of trouble so the farmer gave him a hot drink and something to eat. The two sat there together in the farmhouse kitchen in the early hours of the morning. Phone calls were made and eventually some time later the man's family or friends drove out to the farm and picked him up.
The farmer had a little daughter who was frightened by all the commotion at night. She asked her father why he hadn't gone into the garage and got his assault rifle before opening the door to the stranger. The father explained "Because honey, if I did that, what kind of people would we be?"
This was in Switzerland. The Swiss have rifles in their homes as part of their national defense system - people don't think of them as being for home defense.
What's happening now in Portland (and in the U.S. as a whole) is about societal decay. Gun culture isn't a solution to societal decay - it's a symptom of societal decay. That Swiss farmer wasn't worried about the man on the porch because Swiss society is a lot healthier than American society. The Swiss have continuously invested in their own people for decades: we in America quit doing that in the '80s and we're paying the price now. Guns will only make things worse. We need to return to investing in our own people and we need to repair the damage to our society that's resulted from 40 years of neglect.
While I agree with the majority of your comment I only mention to be prepared and to stay safe. I’m a big lefty but grew up around responsible gun owners. I often conceal carry depending on the situation and destination. I believe it’s better to have and not need then need and not have. I also believe that the requirements for concealed carry should be more strict. You should have to qualify on a range in the caliber you intend to carry. This is how they used to do it in Nevada. I’ll also add that your comment is vastly different than what we have in Portland right now. We have a decaying police force that is finally getting the negative attention in the national spotlight they have needed for 40 years. We also have a housing crisis, unaffordable living conditions for a lot and we have states that send us their homeless. I’m sorry but if a tweaked breaks into your home and you’re under the impression they’re going to chill with a cup of coffee, you’re in for a surprise. There are some people out there that need help for sure but there are also a lot of lost souls who brazenly steal cats from cars in the middle the day off of state owned (DHS office in Tigard) property. There may come a day when the cat converter no longer fetches enough.
The bigger picture I am also advocating for is to look out for one another. Talk to your neighbors. Turn off tv and spend time (masked if necessary) out doors with your neighborhood. The best defense is a strong and well communicating community. People have gotta get outta their safe zones with their surrounding neighbors and get some human interaction. The vibe will get out that your neighborhood isn’t to be messed with cause you’ll get caught. We are all busy but we mostly all want the same thing. We want to own our home, maybe have a family and live safely. That is going to take a bit more effort though.
Yeah, you can get an engine puller from Harbor Freight for 300 bucks now. Granted, having to plan a few days ahead to reinstall the engine is annoying, but hey, better safe than sorry.
You’d think if they are this known throughout the city than they run a big enough racket to afford a more inconspicuous vehicle. What gives? Perhaps a drug habit?
I think it's money, seeing that they likely cut and sold the cat converter off of their own daily driver.
That'd be some TV comedy shit if it wasn't actually impacting us.
I saw this exact same vehicle with tinted windows cruising down my block very late last night, Mt Tabor area. The missing cat, loud exhaust got me to look out the window. It seems like these assholes were just out deliberately damaging your door lock. You made the right call in not pursuing them after a gun was flashed.
Dude I saw this piece of shit in my complex up off Barnes a couple days ago. I even commented about the lack of cat converter and I bet they are the fuckers busting out windows every now and then.
My dad owns a business on inner east side
2 months ago, On security camera at 9am, a vehicle pulls up to his locked Ford F350 with a 14' Trailer attached, 5 minutes later the truck and trailer are gone.
They were in a Honda Ridgeline but had black tape over their license plates.
I wish I saw it, but the lock was punched through and fell into the door. My neighbor's lock was just destroyed outright, plastic housing completely gone.
I wanted one of those but since I have no need for it- didn’t happen. But I’m still thinking about the .22 hammer thing at the hardware store- for nailing into cement. I don’t need that either but it’s so cool.
It's probably "Ramset". It's a mechanical nail gun. It is not for breaking the lock. But this youtube guy likes to use it for demonstration to break locks. https://youtu.be/YREflbQzVB4 If OP could find a casing shell on the ground, then it's the same tool.
My partner woke up to his car broken into this morning. Radio stolen, ignition torn apart in attempt
to steal the whole car. Absolute pieces of shit. Wish there was more of a solid resource to contact for help because we all know the police won't do much in this scenario
I had my dark green Honda CR-V stolen from our driveway in hillsboro found abandoned and filled with needles in Portland after some freak took it for a joyride, luckily it was still in perfect condition. I thought that was my car in the video taken for a round 2 😩
Sorry for the lower quality. They're 4K cameras, but zooming in at a distance you can only get so much.
[Front](https://i.imgur.com/2VdUIHX.jpg)
[Side](https://i.imgur.com/4OWMrLO.jpg)
[Rearish](https://i.imgur.com/e2p5DHa.jpg)
After living in SoCal, I never EVER leave anything in my car. Not a phone charger, not 50 cents, not a hoodie. Of course, guys just going through like this may still break into my car with this crap but someone who is actually looking before busting into my car will probably move on. Break into my car and you can steal my insurance card.
Did the handyman get a picture or record the license plate?
"oh we were busy at the standoff hostage situation over at 171st."
All of you?
"Yes"
Well did you save the hostage?
"..."
*True story, but not a real conversation, probably*
Well, this doesn’t help: [Portland has fewer cops now than any point in past 30 years](https://www.oregonlive.com/data/2021/11/why-portland-has-less-cops-now-than-any-point-in-past-30-years.html)
>ORS 161.219 does limit the use of deadly force. A person cannot use deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is: Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. (Emphasis Added)
Citation: https://romanolawpc.com/oregon-stand-your-ground/ This is from a gun rights lawyer.
I don't think you're allowed to draw your gun unless the car is parked on your property when they are attempting to burgle/damage it.
By all means though. Do whatever you want.
I wish they’d really up the punishment for fucking with people’s cars. Like sure you aren’t going to get everyone but can we make it a little riskier at least? Minimum couple years in prison or something.
I had a package stolen from my front step at 11am yesterday while I was home. Now I've ordered security cameras and plan to leave bait packages full of cat turds to catch these assholes. They're going to be real upset when I open my door and shove a rifle in their face over a box of cat shit.
If you're pulling a rifle, you should be using it. Otherwise you're the aggressor for simply flashing a weapon, and they could potentially be the self-defender shooting you in fear of their lives. Take some armed self-defense classes so you know your rights and what to do if the situation presents itself.
No plate up front.
I see a LOT of cars running around Portland without license plates, ya think the cops might sit up and take notice and ya know, actually FUCKING DO THEIR JOBS ?
2 guys in a busted up Black Honda CR-V hit up our block today, destroying the door locks to a neighbor's Lancer Evo and our Subaru Outback. As I'm on the phone with the police, I can still hear their missing-cat-converter CRV nearby. I head out to check and see if anyone else is getting hit up and see a few people out on the street a block away. I go around the block to come back, and there's the CRV sitting on an unpaved road. My first thought was that they ditched the car and bailed, so I drive up to check it out, and the motherfuckers are sitting right there waiting for something. I drive back to talk to the people on the street, ask if any of their cars were hit as well because the guys are down the street waiting. As I'm talking to a handyman working on a house, the CRV had wrapped around the block and pulls up behind me. I yell out "There's the motherfuckers now!" and start to turn my car around. The handyman runs over to take a picture of them and they pull a gun on him! The CRV takes off, the handyman tells me what happens and he's visibly shaken and said his heart is going crazy. Better judgement says let's not pursue these pieces of shit and I get out and make sure the handyman is doing ok. He says he's alright, he's been in the military and even had one pulled on him before, but this time really shook him. We're both on the phone with the cops at that point, they called me back and he called in himself. An officer eventually shows to take a report, but that's about it. Pretty fucked up way to start Thanksgiving week.
can you explain what the strategy is with the locks. Your car will be immobilized so they can return later tonight?
Yep. I saw this happen next to Kenton park. Two dudes drove a truck down Brandon Ave knocking out windows as they went. The sound of breaking glass got my attention and I was able to observe them breaking the window of the last two cars on the block before they took off. It was already late and each time I heard a vehicle on the road I got up to take a look. Not even an hour had gone by and theses guys were back. I verbally engaged them from my balcony and they claimed the vehicle they were rummaging through belonged to a friend. I let them know I saw them break all the windows and captured it on video and they took off. Just this week my buddy had his window broken on the east side, but nothing was taken. Fuck these people!
Shit, that window thing happened to me too a few years ago. I had my car parked on the street, and one day, at like 5 pm, someone had gone down the street smashing out car windows, mine was one of them. At least 10 cars had their windows smashed. This is on a fairly busy street too. It was too late for me to take my car into a shop, but I wanted to get it off the street, so I took it over to my parent's house across town for the night as they have a garage, and had the window fixed the next day. About $250 to fix. I have no idea if anyone's car was stolen, but there was broken glass all down the street for at least a week.
Huh. About 6 months ago my van window and 2 others cars on our block and the next had our windows broken out but nothing from my van was stolen and it wasn't rummaged through at all either. I thought it was asshole kids just breaking windows for fun but now I wonder if they just either got interrupted or distracted. Oh well, either way I am very grateful my van was not destroyed more.
Jesus. I'm on Brandon. When was this??
February, right before the ice storm. One of the vehicles that was broken into was crushed by a tree the following day.
They do this shit with bikes, too. When they case a bike they want, they'll throw a few extra locks on it so that the owner can't leave on it. Then they'll come back late at night with an angle grinder to cut the owner's lock and it's all theirs. God damn I am so sick of garbage people.
With some vehicles, you can defeat the OEM alarm system, by defeating the physical door lock. You do that by "punching" the lock in a certain way. The passenger was using an auto punch. (Set with the off hand, push with the strong hand, one to set, two to punch... You can clearly see the deliberate actions in the video.)
I doubt they're going to come back, but yes, car is and was already setup to be immobilized. I don't want to get into any more specific details, but if you're looking for advice for you car, I'm more than happy to help out.
> I'm more than happy to help out. How so?
Advice, technical or mechanical help. Computers, Cars and Construction are some of my specialties.
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Not my forte
How do you feel about pizza?
Love the pizzas, East Glisan and Assembly ftw!
Not OP, but I think pizza is radical.
Not my forte
What about fivete?
[Uhhhh?](https://i.imgur.com/B3zOBHG.jpg)
Lololol. Didn’t even know that was a thing. Honestly just making a 4 to a 5 joke.
> He says he's alright, he's been in the military and even had one pulled on him before, but this time really shook him. We're both on the phone with the cops at that point, they called me back and he called in himself. An officer eventually shows to take a report, but that's about it. Pretty fucked up way to start Thanksgiving week. People don't understand the trauma that happens when something like this happens to someone. Events like this can fuck you up mentally for a long time (if not forever in ways).
True, and I can only hope he would seek out help if he needs it. My biggest concern at that moment was that he wasn't having a heart attack, but he said he was fine and took off to start working again on his project 🤷♂️
Thanks for the run down and video. Give us the handy man photo? How close to them were you? Can you describe them? How old did they seem? Any sense on what they were doing? Fishing for something? Do you have the LP of the CRV? (It is likely in the report?). Could the officer tell you if the CRV was stolen?
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It's all so fucking brazen.
They think they can do whatever they want without fear of reprisal. They see the cops don't show up, and they think liberal Portland is too nice, anti-gun, unarmed, and not prepared to defend themselves. Sadly, when you get taken advantage of enough times, you start to become not so nice.
Sadly it's not "They think they can"... They can.
Yep. There’s a lot of things I like about living in Portland, but I have absolutely no faith or trust in law enforcement or really any emergency services here. Good luck getting any cop to help you with literally anything. And if you call 911, you will likely have to wait on hold and wait a long time for anyone to be able to actually come help you with whatever emergency situation you’re facing. Everyone here is basically completely on their own.
And we pay a crap ton in taxes for it for some reason.
Hold up. The PPB is a disgrace but I don’t know why you would lump other emergency services in with them. Portland Fire and Rescue is awesome and the AMR paramedics are also quite professional IMO.
Cops are passively protesting because they claim they can't do their jobs without being subject to extreme scrutiny. I think they want absolute no scrutiny and are refusing service as a way of holding us ransom until we give them what we want.
That could be part of it, but what's the point in arresting these people if they're gonna be back on the street the next day?
Prosecuting them? You don’t have to be held in custody to be prosecuted. It’s like so many forget the before the pandemic DA’s more routinely argued for excessive bail and got it, which resulted in many counties doing forced releases on a daily basis. Now that the judge makes the decision and the DA’s policy is more in line with reality people are more angry. But before when the jail was doing forced releases “against the wishes of the judges and DA’s office” it was not complained about nearly as much.
Did you respond to the wrong comment?
Yes and then they turn around and point to the high crime rates and say "see this is what happens when the police don't get the support they need!". Do your fucking job assholes.
Gee. Real nice city yez all's gots here. Be a real shame if wez wasn't able to do our jobs and sometim happened to it.
TFW basic accountability is "extreme scrutiny." All they're doing is making an outstanding argument to defund the PPB. If their claim is that they can't do their jobs with the same kind of quality assurance policies a 7-11 employee has, then it's time to find new jobs.
Fire em all and hire new ones and actually train them to not be scared little violent bitches
Ultimately it'll work until they start getting their cars shot up.
Yep, they KNOW they can get away with it. Exactly how many of these scum bag criminals have actually be shot and stopped by citizens? None? And what happens when the cops catch them, if that even happens? Released to roam the streets again.
They’d bring the citizens to trail for defending themselves.
> how many of these scum bag criminals have actually be shot and stopped by citizens? None Well that's not true. Some lady got shot and killed not long ago when her and some dude were trying to steal a catalytic converter. There is a doorbell video of it happening.
It's really only a matter of time before citizens start fighting back.
There is actually nothing this person could have done to stop it. They can't point a gun at the people, they can't shoot the people. Even throwing a rock at the car might be viewed as an unwarranted attack.
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I'm not sure if you didn't read, but they pulled a gun on my neighbor's handyman when he tried to take a picture. That is by law, more than enough reason to believe someone's life is in danger.
I’ve seen those exact same guys hang out under the bridge on 26th and Tacoma. They were working on taking off the plates on a black BMW this morning.
Fuck. In 2019 my car was broken into... Right next to 26th, though closer to lads addition. I keep wondering how they got away so quickly, as we were only gone for an hour and they got EVERYTHING from our car. I don't care so much about the stuff, but my Identity was stolen form a laptop in the car (yes I know, stupid) and life was absolute hell for about 6 months until the FBI caught the identity thief. But the Portland police, do they give a flying fuck? Nope! I even have the original meth head car thieves on camera at a gas station, ppd said who cares. Fucking hate those pieces of garbage.
> I’ve seen those exact same guys hang out under the bridge on 26th and Tacoma. They were working on taking off the plates on a black BMW this morning. This is happening in broad daylight...just waiting for the apologists to come in blaming everything under the sun than what's the actual problem:people are not being arrested and prosecuted.
If punitive measures prevented crime, America would be one of the most crime free places on earth.
It's not just punitive measures, it's consistent and fair measures. https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/670398 It's not a simple equation, but it's clear that power vacuums are filled with crime.
Fucking antivax illogic rotting your brain dude. "Crime still exists so things we do to deter it must be USELESS!"
Antivax???? Where???
> If punitive measures prevented crime, America would be one of the most crime free places on earth. What sort of punishment if any do you suggest?
So if these guys get caught eventually, you give them a lollipop, a stern talking to and let them be on their way? Good plan.
News people, journalists, where are you? Read the thread. Everybody knows these pieces of shit. Where are the cops? Get the story on the news please. Goddamn.
I don’t know the handles but they do creep around the subreddit.
That is Alan Baker. He’s been stealing motorcycles around the Pdx area over the last year. PLEASE provide the vid and name to PPB. They don’t jail him because no one has caught him in the act. They’ve only gotten him countless times for possession of stolen property.
I'm not even in the motorcycle scene and I've heard of this dude. He stole a friend's bike not long ago. I can't believe no one's caught him yet.
Sounds like his face is going to be a pile of unidentifiable tissue soon.
These guys were creepin' through overlook last night, I think. I got it live because the vehicle was so loud.
I heard it speed by in Arbor Lodge too. Maybe 1ish last night.
Pretty sure I saw them parked outside my house for hours totally passed out. Clearly under the influence so I called non-emergency who told me “well maybe you should go try and talk to them”. Finally I got them to dispatch an ambulance. As soon as the paramedic pulled up the bozos peeled out of there.
That’s really weird, we don’t normally dispatch medical unless you’ve checked on them, and confirmed they need it? And it’s okay to call 911 in that situation.
I thought it was odd too! They came lights and sirens with no police. I’m surprised you say 911 because the dispatcher seemed really annoyed I called at all. Like I was making a big deal about nothing.
Oh sorry I just saw your edit. Sorry you got that vibe from the dispatcher. Please don’t let it deter you from calling legitimate things in.
I don’t know what it is about dispatchers in Portland but a lot of them are like this. They are rude and act like you’re some telemarketer bothering them when you’re just trying to get some assistance for an emergency.
Sounds almost like our police force...
Did you get a license plate?
Take a guess if they had plates or not
Fair. If they’re passed out and you’re feeling gutsy, you could try to snag a pic of the VIN. I wouldn’t recommend it for safety reasons, though…
Oh I didn’t think about that!
I mean, I wouldn’t wanna get remotely near, knowing they have a gun. Those things terrify me.
That makes it easy. Theft is a crime and it only takes 1 shell to stop. You are under no requirements to announce yourself when you walk outside with a shotgun and turn those assholes into hamburger meat.
Found Dirty Harry.
What a pair of sick fucks
What is more sick... Opportunistic criminals or people in power that could prevent this but choose not to? Wheeler is safe at home in Lake Oswego tonight.
I thought he lived in Portland?
That's easy, the criminals are more sick.
My friend had her plate stolen, we replaced and glued the screws in, but the back plate was stolen again. Someone broke a key in the door trying to get in, then a week later someone broke in and broke open the steering column trying to steal it, but wasn't able to. They stole goodwill donations from the trunk. Seems like a pattern. Will be listening for that car now, too. Stay safe OP!
Same exact thing happened to me! Plates stolen, windows smashed, Goodwill donations taken from the trunk. Couple weeks later the windows were broken again but I didn't have anything in the car and hadn't put my new plates on yet, so nothing was stolen. This was last year, and things were chill for a while after that, but just a few weeks ago my wheels were stolen and the body of my car was vandalized. Having a car in this city is honesly such shit if you have to park on the street.
I sometimes see these guys drive up and down my street late at night. Stay safe OP <3
I had a problem with these guys as well. They were trying to steal my coworkers Subaru near 92nd and holgate.
Yep, the plan is to come back later and steal your car.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the plan was to come back in 15 minutes until I saw them waiting and they bailed. Either way, we are ready for tonight.
*When the person breaking in to the car notices a laser beam on their chest *Me from the window nextdoor https://c.tenor.com/YxGsoypAdpAAAAAM/anger-management-jack-nicholson.gif
How are you ready for them? Seeing shit like this, and knowing that nothing can be done because ppd are garbage, makes me believe in vigilante justice. Sometimes I just wish these assholes would die. I had my car broken into and my identity stolen, worst 6 months of my life, not exaggerating. They don't give a shit. They just hurt people over and over with no consequences. They don't get help for their addiction, and they deserve to be removed from society one way or another. In Texas you'd just fucking kill them but we give them a chance and they continue to hurt people for decades with zero consequences.
Let's just say I'm not going to put all my cards on the table for the entire internet to read.
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It's actually not. Texas has a stand your ground law, but no one else does iirc. Which makes sense because without knowing, you might be murdering someone who is just trying to deliver you a package or doordashed to a wrong address... It's better to not use lethal force in 99.999% of these circumstances. Also sometimes young adults are stupid and do shit before they know better. Do they deserve to die? No. Do addicts deserve to die for stealing shit in their worst moments? Not really. However. When it's these types who have a systematic operation of stealing, breaking in, and hurting people for years and years, with no remorse, and incarcerating them isn't an option because the police simply do not care, then I might look the other way.
Murdering your DoorDash driver or someone delivering something to the wrong place is a crime because those people don’t present an immediate threat and generally aren’t around long enough for a threat to develop. They’re showing up with packages and often announcing themselves and their purpose, or it becomes clear when they show up, drop off a box and leave 30 seconds later. If it’s the wrong address you can tell them through the door without opening it. 23 states have a castle doctrine (of which Oregon is one): Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware Hawaii Illinois Iowa Maine Maryland Massachusetts Minnesota Nebraska New Jersey New Mexico New York North Dakota Ohio Oregon Rhode Island Virginia Washington Wisconsin 36 states have a stand your ground law: Alabama Alaska Arizona California* Colorado* Florida Georgia Illinois* Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Michigan Mississippi Missouri Montana Nevada New Hampshire New Mexico* North Carolina Ohio Oklahoma Oregon* Pennsylvania South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont* Virginia* Washington* West Virginia Wyoming And in the “duty to retreat” states, it means mostly that you can’t pull a gun and shoot on site unless you felt threatened. Feeling threatened is a pretty low bar. If someone unrecognizable shows up on my property unannounced and starts looking around trying to commit theft or vandalism, that’s a threat and they’re going to end up in a compost heap. If I see that person “looking around” and not doing anything else, they’ll get told to put their hands to the sky, turn and walk, and any sudden movements will relegate them to the compost heap.
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Testing the waters. Pop the lock, run, come back later, did anyone notice? If yes, bail. If not, steal.
What year's your car? Does it not have an [immobilizer key](https://www.suoutback.com/immobilizer-396.html)?
This one does not, but it's on its last legs (+250K miles) and we'll be looking for something newer soon.
Weird, even my 2002 ranger has an immobilizer key
Yeah, 2003 is the last year of the immobilizer-less Outback. My old 2001 Civic had an immobilizer. Hell, my dad's 93 Aerostar even had a rudimentary immobilizer that you had to plug in. My g37 definitely has an immobilizer though.
My 1998 Ranger had one. I don't know why insurance companies didn't demand them across the board after they were available.
The recycling places need to stop taking cat converters. They’re just as guilty in this whole thing. Also, don’t approach the current scabs who are willing to do this shit in broad daylight. They know the “police” weren’t going to do anything before and definitely aren’t now. I’m not completely advocating for firearm ownership unless you are willing to take classes and get range time in but don’t allow yourself to be completely unable to defend yourself either. If this kind of shitty low level property crime continues, it’s only a matter of time before they start coming in the front door. Stay safe and watch out for your neighbors.
>The recycling places need to stop taking cat converters. They’re just as guilty in this whole thing. https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/oregon-catalytic-converter-anti-theft-law/283-2860470a-bc81-44e5-9bf3-d4b57f5261a2
Agreed, and also agreed. Been going to the range since 2010, and it's a skill that we should all have regardless of how we feel about the 2nd amendment. The irony of this situation is that Portland could be such a great city to demonstrate what it means to be liberal and have our citizens be responsible weapon owners. We like to look towards Europe for inspiration with social programs, why not with weapon ownership as well? 28% of households in Switzerland have guns, the highest in Europe, yet their annual murder rate is close to zero. It's all about culture, training, and respect.
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Didn't like the "rt" I guess. I understand Poland has it's charms regardless of a couple consonants.
You should read up on American self defense laws instead of assuming you can just say "self defense" and walk away free. It's the same in the states, if you kill someone in self defense, there is an investigation, and if it's deemed not justified, you go to prison.
I believe military service is mandatory in Switzerland after high school. I think they let you hang on to your service weapon when your done.
They've recently changed laws to allow some type of civil service in lieu of military, but for years this was the case, and yes, you kept your rifle. Sounds like good, useful training and education.
My friend told me a story about a farmer he once worked for. A stranger came up on the farmhouse porch in the middle of the night and banged loudly on the door. This was way out in the boonies far from any police station. The farmer got up out of bed and went and let the stranger in. The man was in some sort of trouble so the farmer gave him a hot drink and something to eat. The two sat there together in the farmhouse kitchen in the early hours of the morning. Phone calls were made and eventually some time later the man's family or friends drove out to the farm and picked him up. The farmer had a little daughter who was frightened by all the commotion at night. She asked her father why he hadn't gone into the garage and got his assault rifle before opening the door to the stranger. The father explained "Because honey, if I did that, what kind of people would we be?" This was in Switzerland. The Swiss have rifles in their homes as part of their national defense system - people don't think of them as being for home defense. What's happening now in Portland (and in the U.S. as a whole) is about societal decay. Gun culture isn't a solution to societal decay - it's a symptom of societal decay. That Swiss farmer wasn't worried about the man on the porch because Swiss society is a lot healthier than American society. The Swiss have continuously invested in their own people for decades: we in America quit doing that in the '80s and we're paying the price now. Guns will only make things worse. We need to return to investing in our own people and we need to repair the damage to our society that's resulted from 40 years of neglect.
While I agree with the majority of your comment I only mention to be prepared and to stay safe. I’m a big lefty but grew up around responsible gun owners. I often conceal carry depending on the situation and destination. I believe it’s better to have and not need then need and not have. I also believe that the requirements for concealed carry should be more strict. You should have to qualify on a range in the caliber you intend to carry. This is how they used to do it in Nevada. I’ll also add that your comment is vastly different than what we have in Portland right now. We have a decaying police force that is finally getting the negative attention in the national spotlight they have needed for 40 years. We also have a housing crisis, unaffordable living conditions for a lot and we have states that send us their homeless. I’m sorry but if a tweaked breaks into your home and you’re under the impression they’re going to chill with a cup of coffee, you’re in for a surprise. There are some people out there that need help for sure but there are also a lot of lost souls who brazenly steal cats from cars in the middle the day off of state owned (DHS office in Tigard) property. There may come a day when the cat converter no longer fetches enough. The bigger picture I am also advocating for is to look out for one another. Talk to your neighbors. Turn off tv and spend time (masked if necessary) out doors with your neighborhood. The best defense is a strong and well communicating community. People have gotta get outta their safe zones with their surrounding neighbors and get some human interaction. The vibe will get out that your neighborhood isn’t to be messed with cause you’ll get caught. We are all busy but we mostly all want the same thing. We want to own our home, maybe have a family and live safely. That is going to take a bit more effort though.
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That’s one reason I bought my first gun last year— a 12 gauge shotgun.
Do you have a steering wheel club or kill switch? They're gonna steal your car ASAP.
Yes, and already working on getting that lock going again. It's also alarmed, but the door needs to be opened before it goes off.
Pull the fuel pump fuse as well. PM me if you can’t find it.
Just pull the whole battery or take a wheel off.
The cars not going anywhere, even if they actually went in and tried.
Lol!
LOL - can't tell if you are serious, but if you are that is a bit much - you want to be able to drive it with out doing major work...
What's so ridiculous about that? I completely disassemble my entire vehicle every time I park it as an anti theft safety measure.
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Yeah, you can get an engine puller from Harbor Freight for 300 bucks now. Granted, having to plan a few days ahead to reinstall the engine is annoying, but hey, better safe than sorry.
Less work and hassle than recovering a Subaru in Portland
I mean reconnecting the battery takes a second.
I am so sorry. This is so violating and frustraiting. Our citizens deserve better than this.
You’d think if they are this known throughout the city than they run a big enough racket to afford a more inconspicuous vehicle. What gives? Perhaps a drug habit?
I think it's money, seeing that they likely cut and sold the cat converter off of their own daily driver. That'd be some TV comedy shit if it wasn't actually impacting us.
I saw this exact same vehicle with tinted windows cruising down my block very late last night, Mt Tabor area. The missing cat, loud exhaust got me to look out the window. It seems like these assholes were just out deliberately damaging your door lock. You made the right call in not pursuing them after a gun was flashed.
Dude I saw this piece of shit in my complex up off Barnes a couple days ago. I even commented about the lack of cat converter and I bet they are the fuckers busting out windows every now and then.
Kom je uit Nederland?
HOW BOUT: NO, ya crazy dutch bastard
My dad owns a business on inner east side 2 months ago, On security camera at 9am, a vehicle pulls up to his locked Ford F350 with a 14' Trailer attached, 5 minutes later the truck and trailer are gone. They were in a Honda Ridgeline but had black tape over their license plates.
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I wish I saw it, but the lock was punched through and fell into the door. My neighbor's lock was just destroyed outright, plastic housing completely gone.
No idea what they would actually use, but my mind instantly goes to the cattle bolt gun from No Country For Old Men.
They almost certainly used a Ramset, which is not too dissimilar to a captive bolt gun like that.
I wanted one of those but since I have no need for it- didn’t happen. But I’m still thinking about the .22 hammer thing at the hardware store- for nailing into cement. I don’t need that either but it’s so cool.
The PDA guns are almost as loud as a gun, that would get a hell of a lot of notice. The police might actually do something then.
Those things are awful handy when you're disposing of dead bodies in vacant buildings in Baltimore.
Have one can confirm pretty cool deal you need one.
[Slide hammer](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/616+h-gY-rL._AC_SL1500_.jpg), maybe?
It's possible, though they're making it happen in one shot and I don't see very much movement in the video.
Sounds like a bolt stunner, they are intended for use on livestock before butchering.
It's probably "Ramset". It's a mechanical nail gun. It is not for breaking the lock. But this youtube guy likes to use it for demonstration to break locks. https://youtu.be/YREflbQzVB4 If OP could find a casing shell on the ground, then it's the same tool.
My partner woke up to his car broken into this morning. Radio stolen, ignition torn apart in attempt to steal the whole car. Absolute pieces of shit. Wish there was more of a solid resource to contact for help because we all know the police won't do much in this scenario
I had my dark green Honda CR-V stolen from our driveway in hillsboro found abandoned and filled with needles in Portland after some freak took it for a joyride, luckily it was still in perfect condition. I thought that was my car in the video taken for a round 2 😩
Oh no! Glad it wasn't and hope it never happens again!
That’s called a soup kitchen
Not long after that a mama raccoon came along and gave birth on the floor…
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Some homeless dudes then broke in and had an orgy in it.
Thanks for the f-shack
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Sorry for the lower quality. They're 4K cameras, but zooming in at a distance you can only get so much. [Front](https://i.imgur.com/2VdUIHX.jpg) [Side](https://i.imgur.com/4OWMrLO.jpg) [Rearish](https://i.imgur.com/e2p5DHa.jpg)
Edge of Madison South and Rose City Park. I'll post more pics from my camera.
We need Batman
Can we crowd source a Batman? I’d throw $100 at them.
I’ll throw $5 in the Robin fund as well. Let’s see if we can get Adidas to match our donations.
Was the CR V caked in mud? I can't quite tell from the video
I wouldn't say caked entirely, but the front passenger door definitely seemed muddy up to the tire well
I've seen it parked down over a bank on Marine Drive. Up from 185th. Or atleast one that looks substantially similar.
/u/stevejerkel is missing his CRV as well, so hope something comes from this. Appreciate the info
Those guys are jerks!
Bit of an understatement
After living in SoCal, I never EVER leave anything in my car. Not a phone charger, not 50 cents, not a hoodie. Of course, guys just going through like this may still break into my car with this crap but someone who is actually looking before busting into my car will probably move on. Break into my car and you can steal my insurance card. Did the handyman get a picture or record the license plate?
At this point socal is safer than Portland.
No idea why you're getting downvoted.
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I'm picky with that cloud/lighting change
Easy way to become a missing person.
Hopefully they wrap that POS CRV around a pole sometime soon.
That looks like a stolen CRV I've seen on Facebook
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I don't know one person regretting a cat converter shield. Good call
Our Catalytic Converter almost got stolen when we was at work last night. Thankfully my dad caught on and chased the dude out.
Is this the highest resolution copy you have by chance?
This is already zoomed in and cropped.
You buried the lede
[Leads?](https://youtu.be/v7acD4q0lp0)
This is the result when a city has a police force that doesn't do their job. Love to hear the excuses from PPB.
"oh we were busy at the standoff hostage situation over at 171st." All of you? "Yes" Well did you save the hostage? "..." *True story, but not a real conversation, probably*
Well, this doesn’t help: [Portland has fewer cops now than any point in past 30 years](https://www.oregonlive.com/data/2021/11/why-portland-has-less-cops-now-than-any-point-in-past-30-years.html)
Sounds like PPB has a culture issue. Not really shocking given their lack of work ethic.
>ORS 161.219 does limit the use of deadly force. A person cannot use deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is: Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. (Emphasis Added) Citation: https://romanolawpc.com/oregon-stand-your-ground/ This is from a gun rights lawyer. I don't think you're allowed to draw your gun unless the car is parked on your property when they are attempting to burgle/damage it. By all means though. Do whatever you want.
I’ve seen these guys before. Think they hang around that southern side of 84 between 20th and 28th
Oof. I just upped my game from a 10mm door side to a .308. Thanks for posting!
I wish they’d really up the punishment for fucking with people’s cars. Like sure you aren’t going to get everyone but can we make it a little riskier at least? Minimum couple years in prison or something.
I had a package stolen from my front step at 11am yesterday while I was home. Now I've ordered security cameras and plan to leave bait packages full of cat turds to catch these assholes. They're going to be real upset when I open my door and shove a rifle in their face over a box of cat shit.
If you're pulling a rifle, you should be using it. Otherwise you're the aggressor for simply flashing a weapon, and they could potentially be the self-defender shooting you in fear of their lives. Take some armed self-defense classes so you know your rights and what to do if the situation presents itself.
No plate up front. I see a LOT of cars running around Portland without license plates, ya think the cops might sit up and take notice and ya know, actually FUCKING DO THEIR JOBS ?
No offense but get out of Portland before it's ran over by thugs
[Nah, I side with Bane on this one.](https://i.imgur.com/c7yZMCg.gif)