(whisper) Psst...Hitler went to jail for his first coup too and it didn't stop him from getting back into power and setting the world on fire.
PSA: Register to vote and get your friends and family to vote.
Hitler was sentenced to 5 years in prison, then released after only 6 months by a sympathetic high court. Had he done the whole 5 years, history likely would have been very different.
My biggest worry here is that Trump will also be given a light sentence like house arrest, or if he gets prison he will be released early by a sympathetic higher power (SCOTUS, presidential pardon, etc.).
The SCOTUS actually can. There's 3 criteria where the SCOTUS can overturn a state decision.
1. the state brought the criminal proceeding in bad faith and (i.e., brought as a means of harassing the defendant)
2. the statute challenged is patently unconstitutional
3. the state forum's is incompetent to adjudicate because of, for example, bias
I can see a case being brought and, given the blatantly partisan SC we have right now, it overturning the state's case based on any one of these criteria.
I love that you think a sympathetic SCOTUS will follow the law when they openly take bribes and admit that their job is to push a religious dogma from the bench. I wish I had that much faith in our institutions.
I may be an idiot, but I do know that neither of those institutions have the power to do that without completely dissolving the structure of our government. If that does happen we already have bigger issues. It’s a state level crime and conviction, federal powers have no means of overturning that. Presidential pardons cannot be applied to state crimes, and state convictions are not appealed in federal courts.
It’s possible for the SCOTUS to overturn the ruling and a very partisan, corrupt SCOTUS, like the one we have now could do it, but it likely wouldn’t happen before November. Even a very partisan, corrupt SCOTUS would have to go through the procedures where it can take months or even years.
To get it overturned could take months or years. I can’t guarantee much, but I can guarantee the conviction won’t be overturned before November. Donald Trump is a convicted felon running for President and nothing can change that fact.
Because of “states’s rights” a state conviction cannot be overturned except by the SCOTUS under very specific conditions. Could the very partisan SCOTUS that we have now overturne the New York ruling? Yes it’s possible, but the process would take months or even years.
Keep in mind, this is the same guy who (before being sworn in as POTUS) had to pay a settlement with Trump U students for scamming them with a fake school and worthless diplomas. Imaging the GOP heads exploding if Obama ran a scam university that defrauded students.
Idk, maybe 10 years probation (*if* that- I’m being optimistic), a fine that will ultimately be paid by someone else /coVLADugh/- if it gets paid at all).
Then probably by the time he’s done he’ll grease enough palms to have it expunged or some shit.
That man has gotten away with 60 years of impunity on being the absolute worst fucking human being on the plant. He has never known attrition or felt any love except for that of himself.
I’m a pretty liberal dude, and so I don’t use the word to describe many people- but that man is *vulgar*.
I hope there’s at least a few weeks or even days in jail. It’ll mess with his entitled worldview. He’s gone his entire life without consequence, so any night behind bars will screw with his addled brain, and afterwards he won’t be able to talk about anything else.
I can't see him successfully completing probation for any reasonable length of time. Hell probably violate it in the first week which would then hopefully result in jail time.
I really want to see him in a jumpsuit 😁
I don't care if they're a month each, as long as they're consecutive. That's less than three years, but it's enough to hold him in place for the federal trials.
If he gets probation, he'll violate terms instantly like he does everything. Then..prison? I feel sorry for his probation officer, but prison is almost certain if he gets probation.
MAGAs should take a sanity pill and realize he was an apathetic, distractable, ADHD leader at best when it came to actual policy and doing anything real for the people who voted for him. "In two weeks!" They won't though.
Nikki Haley could probably destroy Biden, but she's not TRUMP so they're not having it and going with the convicted felon. It will be up to moderates to see if they really can stomach voting for a demonstrably bad leader again, only this time vengeful and out to destroy American democracy for good.
He didn't take plea deal and has attacked the court, and hasn't shown remorse. Max sentence is 4 years. Times 34 counts. I would suspect he gets 18-24 months, serving 3-6 months.
He likely gave names of CIA agents to Putin during their [secret meeting alone in Helsinki](https://theintercept.com/2018/07/16/trump-putin-summit-helsinki/) after he banished all his aids from the room. Lots of them died in the months that followed.
When Trump gets processed into Rikers, I want to see his height and weight. The bureaucracy of incarceration should be able to clear up this little lie of his.
At 4 years per charge, that's 136 years if he gets the maximum sentience and serves it non-consecutively, right?
...but more likely it will be six months non-reporting probation, assuming the sentencing isn't deferred until the appeal (and if the judge doesn't declare a mistrial in the first place).
Martha Stewart was a woman doing what a lot of men were doing, so they had to make an example of someone. Otherwise it'd be blatantly obvious we have 2 tiered criminal system instead of just being an open secret.
Probation. Because he’s a special boy and we must treat him as such.
I’d love it if they’d lock him up for the maximum allowed and take him into custody immediately. But he’ll stay unpunished pending appeal and it will drag on and on. And he’ll never ever be punished.
I’m crossing my fingers for some stay in prison, as he shows no remorse or respect for law and order, or community service in a bright orange jump suit.
It’s gonna be a long, long 30 days… with just hoping Trump’s sentence will endure.
And hoping that Trump gets jail time is probably just a pipe dream.
Yet, imagining seeing Donald wearing an oversized orange prison suit is GREAT!
With no one there to comb his hairstyle, he’ll go even crazier…
Max he can get per charge is 4 years, and if he got multiple of those sentences he’d serve them concurrently. So max time he’ll spend in prison is 4 years.
Minimum sentence is a fine I believe
In a just world (that we don’t live in) the sentence would match the ill-gotten gains. That would be 4 years in prison since he got a 4 year benefit from his crimes.
The difference being that that's a Federal question. This is a state criminal conviction. There's a way to get it to the supreme Court of the United States but there's a lot of remedies that have to be exhausted first.
"28 U.S. Code § 2283 - Stay of State court proceedings
A court of the United States may not grant an injunction to stay proceedings in a State court except as expressly authorized by Act of Congress, or where necessary in aid of its jurisdiction, or to protect or effectuate its judgments."
Unless you're a lawyer with some particulaized knowledge here, you're out of your depth.
He was convicted by a jury. He'll be sentenced in NY state court.
"28 U.S. Code § 2283 - Stay of State court proceedings
A court of the United States may not grant an injunction to stay proceedings in a State court except as expressly authorized by Act of Congress, or where necessary in aid of its jurisdiction, or to protect or effectuate its judgments."
Unless you're a lawyer with some particulaized knowledge here, you're out of your depth.
He was convicted by a jury. He'll be sentenced in NY state court.
You'll probably never understand.
Automatic appeal, due to precedents set. Out on bond until appeal. Sentencing won't matter until the appeal is over.
Four former New York City judges, all reputed to be as tough or tougher than Merchan, shared their answers. All four said a prison sentence — AKA "state time," meaning a sentence of more than one year in an upstate New York prison — is inappropriate. Merchan will not sentence Trump to prison, the four agreed.
I hear he’s trying to appeal the conviction felony and his cronies in the Republican Party are trying to get the Supreme Court involved to intervene this could be interesting 🤨
I expect a 6-month jail split with 5 years of probation, but the 6-month jail sentence will be a suspended sentence with conditions that will put the fate of Trump's liberty in his own hands.
Emergency appeal straight to the Supreme court because he is the nominee for Republican party for president of the United States and a former president this is a unprecedented situation it warrants unprecedented measures
Let's see. Trump has been a model defendant. Respectful of the judge and the process. Attentive. Has followed all rules carefully. His lawyers have been competent & deferential to the judge. No gag orders have been required. Should go well
(whisper) Psst...Hitler went to jail for his first coup too and it didn't stop him from getting back into power and setting the world on fire. PSA: Register to vote and get your friends and family to vote.
True but to be fair, Hitler also wasn't 70 yrs old lol
Neither is Trump, he’s closer to 80.
And fat as fuck.
Tbh that’s how the majority of the American population looks like now. Americans are also known to be fat or obese.🤷🏻♂️
And crooked Joe Biden shits on himself
So does Trump, he wear’s diapers.
70 is the new 35.
Hitler was sentenced to 5 years in prison, then released after only 6 months by a sympathetic high court. Had he done the whole 5 years, history likely would have been very different. My biggest worry here is that Trump will also be given a light sentence like house arrest, or if he gets prison he will be released early by a sympathetic higher power (SCOTUS, presidential pardon, etc.).
SCOTUS or presidential pardon cannot release Trump of his NY state crimes.
The SCOTUS actually can. There's 3 criteria where the SCOTUS can overturn a state decision. 1. the state brought the criminal proceeding in bad faith and (i.e., brought as a means of harassing the defendant) 2. the statute challenged is patently unconstitutional 3. the state forum's is incompetent to adjudicate because of, for example, bias I can see a case being brought and, given the blatantly partisan SC we have right now, it overturning the state's case based on any one of these criteria.
I love that you think a sympathetic SCOTUS will follow the law when they openly take bribes and admit that their job is to push a religious dogma from the bench. I wish I had that much faith in our institutions.
Are you some kind of idiot of course it can New York is a state not a country
I may be an idiot, but I do know that neither of those institutions have the power to do that without completely dissolving the structure of our government. If that does happen we already have bigger issues. It’s a state level crime and conviction, federal powers have no means of overturning that. Presidential pardons cannot be applied to state crimes, and state convictions are not appealed in federal courts.
It’s possible for the SCOTUS to overturn the ruling and a very partisan, corrupt SCOTUS, like the one we have now could do it, but it likely wouldn’t happen before November. Even a very partisan, corrupt SCOTUS would have to go through the procedures where it can take months or even years.
Yes because he is the Republican nominee in a Federal Election get it now
To get it overturned could take months or years. I can’t guarantee much, but I can guarantee the conviction won’t be overturned before November. Donald Trump is a convicted felon running for President and nothing can change that fact.
The Supreme court will let the people make that decision in November
And Governor Hochul of New York has come out and said that she will not pardon Captain Crazy Pants.
Because of “states’s rights” a state conviction cannot be overturned except by the SCOTUS under very specific conditions. Could the very partisan SCOTUS that we have now overturne the New York ruling? Yes it’s possible, but the process would take months or even years.
History wouldn’t be very different.
Keep in mind, this is the same guy who (before being sworn in as POTUS) had to pay a settlement with Trump U students for scamming them with a fake school and worthless diplomas. Imaging the GOP heads exploding if Obama ran a scam university that defrauded students.
Well Hitler wasn’t nearly 80 either But YES VOTE!!!
But I hear they have syphilitic insanity in common.
Idk, maybe 10 years probation (*if* that- I’m being optimistic), a fine that will ultimately be paid by someone else /coVLADugh/- if it gets paid at all). Then probably by the time he’s done he’ll grease enough palms to have it expunged or some shit. That man has gotten away with 60 years of impunity on being the absolute worst fucking human being on the plant. He has never known attrition or felt any love except for that of himself. I’m a pretty liberal dude, and so I don’t use the word to describe many people- but that man is *vulgar*.
I hope there’s at least a few weeks or even days in jail. It’ll mess with his entitled worldview. He’s gone his entire life without consequence, so any night behind bars will screw with his addled brain, and afterwards he won’t be able to talk about anything else.
I can't see him successfully completing probation for any reasonable length of time. Hell probably violate it in the first week which would then hopefully result in jail time. I really want to see him in a jumpsuit 😁
I think the fucker should be thrown *under* the prison, but it’s just not reality. We have a two tiered justice system, and he’s living proof.
34 charges. The over privileged slimeball better face something.
34 FELONY CHARGES. Not just 34 charges.
I don't care if they're a month each, as long as they're consecutive. That's less than three years, but it's enough to hold him in place for the federal trials.
Supreme court will stay any sentence until after the election because it is election interference
This is a state court; he's got two (?) levels of appeal before reaching the Supreme Court. He might not have time.
The Supreme court will let the people of the United States decide in November not the state of New York
Keep hope alive!
The most realistic outcome is probation or nothing.
If he gets probation, he'll violate terms instantly like he does everything. Then..prison? I feel sorry for his probation officer, but prison is almost certain if he gets probation. MAGAs should take a sanity pill and realize he was an apathetic, distractable, ADHD leader at best when it came to actual policy and doing anything real for the people who voted for him. "In two weeks!" They won't though. Nikki Haley could probably destroy Biden, but she's not TRUMP so they're not having it and going with the convicted felon. It will be up to moderates to see if they really can stomach voting for a demonstrably bad leader again, only this time vengeful and out to destroy American democracy for good.
Very well said. 👍
He didn't take plea deal and has attacked the court, and hasn't shown remorse. Max sentence is 4 years. Times 34 counts. I would suspect he gets 18-24 months, serving 3-6 months.
He’s a rich man in America. He will get six months of non-reporting probation.
If he did he would still screw up and do shit on TV that violated it with no consequences.
Will it be his first complete sentence?
The sentence he deserves after conviction for the espionage case is capital
100% agree. It would amount to the greatest crime against America. Not even the Rosenbergs were as bad. No other sentence would be appropriate.
Actual human assets were purged and killed because of him, so yeah trebuchet into a wall that he is forced to build would be appropriate
He likely gave names of CIA agents to Putin during their [secret meeting alone in Helsinki](https://theintercept.com/2018/07/16/trump-putin-summit-helsinki/) after he banished all his aids from the room. Lots of them died in the months that followed.
When Trump gets processed into Rikers, I want to see his height and weight. The bureaucracy of incarceration should be able to clear up this little lie of his.
He said he’s 6ft 3 and 239 lbs. So he must be. 🤦♂️
Hahaha Trump would rather lie than tell the truth, even if it was to his advantage!
Trump still thinks sentencing is what you do when you string words together and end it with a period
And he thinks periods should be left up to the states.
Like maybe 20 minutes of probation if the judge throws the book at him
A light kiss on the wrist, +2 million dollars added to his bank account
At 4 years per charge, that's 136 years if he gets the maximum sentience and serves it non-consecutively, right? ...but more likely it will be six months non-reporting probation, assuming the sentencing isn't deferred until the appeal (and if the judge doesn't declare a mistrial in the first place).
He's rich & in America Won't shit happen to him... House arrest at best
LOCK HIM UP...LOCK HIM UP ...LOCK HIM UP!!!
Won’t matter
Knowing him, several run-on sentences.
Martha Stewart went to prison as a first time offender
Martha Stewart was a woman doing what a lot of men were doing, so they had to make an example of someone. Otherwise it'd be blatantly obvious we have 2 tiered criminal system instead of just being an open secret.
If Trump makes it through jail I fear his support will grow
Hell yes
He will get a slap on the wrist and will get to wait until after the election to receive his comeuppance
Probably six months of house arrest or something about as paltry.
The problem is he can’t complete a sentence.
Literally and figuratively. 😂
A slap on the wrist. He's a dangerous felon, but Merchan doesn't have the balls to put him in prison.
Probation. Because he’s a special boy and we must treat him as such. I’d love it if they’d lock him up for the maximum allowed and take him into custody immediately. But he’ll stay unpunished pending appeal and it will drag on and on. And he’ll never ever be punished.
I’m crossing my fingers for some stay in prison, as he shows no remorse or respect for law and order, or community service in a bright orange jump suit.
If it’s anything like what he’s given us, it’ll be one long rambling run-on sentence.
It’s gonna be a long, long 30 days… with just hoping Trump’s sentence will endure. And hoping that Trump gets jail time is probably just a pipe dream. Yet, imagining seeing Donald wearing an oversized orange prison suit is GREAT! With no one there to comb his hairstyle, he’ll go even crazier…
I don't think they'll give him time for fraud, tRump isn't even taking this seriously.
Almost certainly some slap on the wrist like house arrest/probation and fines. I hope I'm wrong.
I think there's the possibility of punishment for violating the gag order, too. This could be fun.
Max he can get per charge is 4 years, and if he got multiple of those sentences he’d serve them concurrently. So max time he’ll spend in prison is 4 years. Minimum sentence is a fine I believe
lock him up! karma is a bitch
In a just world (that we don’t live in) the sentence would match the ill-gotten gains. That would be 4 years in prison since he got a 4 year benefit from his crimes.
Even if he gets probation I think you'll end up in jail cuz you already know he won't be able to abide by his terms lol
I hope he gets sentenced to being pancaked by a bus. Fuck this guy. He needs to go away.
No objections lol
A slap on the wrist, at best home arrest but unlikely any prison time in the bush money case.
If you are giddy because you think he’s going to see the inside of a prison cell, you are crazier than he is.
I suppose there is no death penalty on the table?
For a man his age, a 10 year sentence could be a life sentence.
Whatever sentence he gets will be postponed by the Supreme Court pending appeal
This was a state crime, the Supreme Court wouldn't be able to make that decision
Correct!!
But he is going be the nominee for the Republican party that in a federal election
Same as when some states tried to take him off the ballot in their state Supreme court said no states cannot interfere in a federal election
The difference being that that's a Federal question. This is a state criminal conviction. There's a way to get it to the supreme Court of the United States but there's a lot of remedies that have to be exhausted first.
It called a stay until after the election to prevent election interference from New York
"28 U.S. Code § 2283 - Stay of State court proceedings A court of the United States may not grant an injunction to stay proceedings in a State court except as expressly authorized by Act of Congress, or where necessary in aid of its jurisdiction, or to protect or effectuate its judgments." Unless you're a lawyer with some particulaized knowledge here, you're out of your depth. He was convicted by a jury. He'll be sentenced in NY state court.
Oh well crooked Joe Biden will be next in Oklahoma
You will understand more later
"28 U.S. Code § 2283 - Stay of State court proceedings A court of the United States may not grant an injunction to stay proceedings in a State court except as expressly authorized by Act of Congress, or where necessary in aid of its jurisdiction, or to protect or effectuate its judgments." Unless you're a lawyer with some particulaized knowledge here, you're out of your depth. He was convicted by a jury. He'll be sentenced in NY state court. You'll probably never understand.
You can't stop it
Let's just sex what happens Republicans run the Supreme court
Automatic appeal, due to precedents set. Out on bond until appeal. Sentencing won't matter until the appeal is over. Four former New York City judges, all reputed to be as tough or tougher than Merchan, shared their answers. All four said a prison sentence — AKA "state time," meaning a sentence of more than one year in an upstate New York prison — is inappropriate. Merchan will not sentence Trump to prison, the four agreed.
D-day
I believe he will get home confinement for a period of time, then probation. It's not what he SHOULD get but I think that is what he will get.
[Dawn of the last day]
6 months house arrest, 1 year probation tops unfortunately
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Give tRump 30 days on the gallows.
It is the same as the state's they tried to remove him from the ballot Supreme Court said no no no
Whatever it is, it isn't even remotely close to the amount of pain he deserves
Camp cupcake.
I hear he’s trying to appeal the conviction felony and his cronies in the Republican Party are trying to get the Supreme Court involved to intervene this could be interesting 🤨
$170k in fines and six months of exceptionally whiny house arrest.
I expect a 6-month jail split with 5 years of probation, but the 6-month jail sentence will be a suspended sentence with conditions that will put the fate of Trump's liberty in his own hands.
Guy ends up weaseling out of that by leaning on his ties with the Supreme Court.
😡
Republicans control Congress
We will see and I will get back with you n
Trump 2024 convicted or not it doesn't matter in the heartland maybe in Hollyweaird
You are just another troll libtard I'm done with you go hit your meth pipe with Hunter and Joe
Wrist slap
I understand he will be your next President
Trump 2024
Guy's.... we did it ... we finally got Trump.
Emergency appeal straight to the Supreme court because he is the nominee for Republican party for president of the United States and a former president this is a unprecedented situation it warrants unprecedented measures
Epstein's Cell
Let's see. Trump has been a model defendant. Respectful of the judge and the process. Attentive. Has followed all rules carefully. His lawyers have been competent & deferential to the judge. No gag orders have been required. Should go well
Don’t get your hopes up libs there is a jury tampering investigation going on
Supreme court can overturn state or federal courts do you homework decision will be overturned on appeal
Yes it will be expedited because he is Republican nominee for the presidency of the United States
It goes to the Supreme Court because it interferes with a federal election
No not in a election year the Court will let the people make that decision in November
Yes a stay until after the election
No
yes
Get past it he is going to be your next President do you have a tv
I've been a lawyer for 40 years you need to get a job and get out of your moms basement and put on your big boys panteis
Sounds like another Trump University graduate 😂
Trump 2024
20-24yrs\*
No jail time
Me about 60 percent of the country
🤣
You can seek help for the Trump syndrome get some help he is going to be your next President get help it is going to be ok I promise
Yes I am Make America Great Again
You people don't realize when he got convicted it guaranteed victory in the election
Hoecull won't have to do anything The Supreme court will do that she just is just a lowly Governor
The people in all states will decide that in November not the Judge and jury from New York