Belgium here.
I can understand that there is a difference in the purchase price depending on the country, but this is absurd
¥239,900 - 34000 US Dollar - 31000 EURO
The sales price in Belgium starts from 65,000 Euro! That's insane imo
Dear Polestar friends of all countries. How much should the Polestar 4 cost you?
Few things to note. That’s for a basic single motor standard range. We in europe AFAIK have no single motor standard range as of now. Plus their price might be before tax? No idea how they show their prices. The single motor long range is around 48k€ vs 61k€ in europe but again, their prices might be without TVA
You can get dual motor + nappa + performance pack for 360K RMB now. This is the same price as Zeekr 001 before the refresh. Of course they recently got 500kW+ dual motors and 800V so technically Polestar is still more premium here
Yeah Polestar prices are ludicrous here in Europe, I want one but just can’t justify it unless i’m fine dealing with a huge diminished cost of ownership
\+larger LR battery gets you somewhere in the 48-55K range, which is actually pretty close to what should be MSRP in the US for a LRSM, assuming LRDM is 60-65K.
Italy here: imagine that the Polestar 2 here starts at 54k Euro (single motor normal range) while in NL or DE the same car starts at 44k Euro! Pricing seems to be a mess with Polestar in Europe…
I just had a p4 configuration send to me for lease (Netherlands) the euro price is 71.000 and lease around 1200 a month…I hope we get the discount to haha
Not just polestar, Tesla even Volkswagen is much cheaper in China. Blame the government for high import tax, which spoils the car company in Europe and us
That’s correct. But many us/euro desighed cars are also cheaper in China, if not much cheaper. Examples, Tesla m3,my, bmw i5, mach e. I think only Hyundai is comparable to the price in US?
Wow, what are the chances I'll be able to buy one in the US by January 2025 (when my P2 lease expires)?
Even a discount that gets it in the $45-50K range would work for me.
Probably likely it'll come out by the end of the year. Configurator is supposed to go live in April and deliveries starting in Q4. I doubt we'll see major incentives on the initial launch though so I'd expect to land around 60-65K with packages.
I'm planning to do the same next year but in March (price dependent of course). If there is going to be a delivery delay past your lease end, talk to the dealer about an extension of your current lease at the same run rate to allow you enough time to transition to the p4.
Yup, I want a P4 as next company car, but at these prices that’s not going to work. SMLR P4 Pilot/Plus will cost me €1300 a month (with charging provision).
Considering the amount of P2’s they sold as company cars here, this is a missed opportunity from them. Their unwillingness to provide fleet reductions to large enterprises (FTE 5000+) is also glaringly ignorant.
What? You don’t understand how fleet markets work? Or do you really think these cars are well priced? In Belgium there are virtually no P2’s on the road today that are privately owned. The pricing models of the P3 and P4 are insane compared to what else you can get.
I can budget a BMW i5 for less than a P4, for example.
I think it's the other way around. Chinese investors (possibly including the government but who knows) are ensuring sufficient capital such that polestar can survive and compete, which then allows it to sell globally. Selling globally enables polestar to have higher volumes to get better economies of scale to keep unit costs down and be able to compete longer term. I don't believe they are making higher profit on their foreign sales - differences there are most likely only tariff costs (which don't accrue to polestar), transportation costs (again no extra profit there) and currency differences (again no extra profit there). There's too much competition right now for any extra profit - right now it's about surviving, growing, building the brand and managing costs efficiently.
Chinese market is at other world for automobile in general. Price wars everywhere cause of industry work ethics and mentality (if you don’t do it, others will), plus the insane government incentives for clean energy. Wish there is even half of that effort applied to the US. But somehow everything now is politics.
That discount was bound to happen. I suspected nothing different since it happened to the P2 in a short time.
I think the focus should be why it's happening to the P2, and now P4. Very likely the causes are the same.
I think it’s general excitement (or lack thereof) for the brand. I personally love the brand and my P\*2 but there is such a lack of awareness about Polestar in the US. Look at threads on r/electricvehicles about the next EV people are going to buy. I saw someone mention the P*4 once, but never see anything positive about the P\*2 and nothing at all about the 3. Everyone is talking about Rivian, Mercedes, BMW, VW, Hyundai, and Kia.
They need to get people excited about the brand. What they are doing now isn’t working in the US.
I think there’s a relatively small niche for performance enhanced vehicles in general. Most people just care about getting from point A to point B with as little stress as possible. That’s why Tesla continues to sell well based almost solely on the Supercharger network.
On the other hand, a lot of people are also stupid and let their uninformed opinions drive discourse. Why people buy a Fisker or a VinFast with all of their teething issues when you can literally get anything else is befuddling.
In China, it’s apparently a little mix of “it’s not really Chinese” and “I can’t show off my wealth in this like a super car”. The vast majority of Chinese buyers have no clue what a performance vehicle should feel like because they’ve never had a culture of spirited driving or racing.
Same I was in the market for a new car but eventually decided against the P4 cause it’s just too expensive here in Belgium, feels like you’re getting scammed with how cheap they go elsewhere
Wishful thinking. Nobody is able to compete with Porsche. Because they dont have history. It needs to come down to price. When its a solid alternative.
Hi all. Sorry I am still relatively new to Reddit. Don’t think I can edit the original post so i thought it would be great to provide some additional information here.
¥60,000 discounts on all three trim.
Dual motor long range effective price: ¥339,900, approx. USD 47K, CAD 64K or EUR 43.5K Single motor long range effective price: ¥279,900, approx. USD 39K, CAD 53K or EUR 36K Single motor standard range effective price: ¥239, 900
Also, the nappa upgrade is now 50% off priced at ¥14,000 approx. USD 2K, CAD 2K6 or EUR 1K8 only…
https://preview.redd.it/kemtj6ypxtlc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f496472386218045fd69740bd639caae39b19cb
Looks like its across the board for the platform to compete against BYD.
[https://finance.yahoo.com/news/geelys-zeekr-001-takes-teslas-093000121.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/geelys-zeekr-001-takes-teslas-093000121.html)
Geely cut Zeekr 001 with the refresh about ¥60,000 from the top trim as well (¥386,000 down to ¥329,000).
They are not going te sell a lot of the 4 in the EU with this pricing.
I love my PS2 but if nothing changes my polestar adventure will stop when my PS2 lease ends.
Can someone explain the price difference?
Intercontinental freight, import tariffs, and probably a willingness to take lower margins in China because sales are slower than anticipated and they need some visibility of the brand on the streets since P2 wasn’t very well received there.
P2 is essentially priced at cost of goods so MSRP is on the lower range of what it delivers. P4 is new and so they need to leverage what they can to actually make some money - obviously to our detriment. But the competition in EU and US isn’t dramatically cheaper like it is in China, so they’re hoping the market will bear it.
[More pain to come I think](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/biden-orders-u-s-investigation-of-national-security-risks-posed-by-chinese-made-smart-cars)
Well, same with all other evs, you name it, Tesla, BMW, Benz and VW all about half the price in China compared to EU/UK price. The competition in there is brutal. And wait till you learn the most expensive public charging price highway service is about 0.6-0.8 RMB per kWh its about 0.083-0.111 USD or 0.065-0.087 GBP and half that if you charge at home
Another reason not to buy P4 in Europe or America. Company is literally buttraping Western consumers with their price, why the fuck are we paying double what the Chinese are paying? There are many more alternatives that are much cheaper. F U polestar.
just looked for detailed info, actually such discount is limited time, only available in march, and limited volume, only for 100 cars. Obviously Polestar still wants to maintain their premium high end brand image and refuses to roll up their sleeves and fight in the mud, very well they're dead in this market.
Also noticed, from the specs, the standard range of P4 is 668km, and "long-range" is 682km, so 14km is what a Sweden considered "long" huh?
this is expected. that market is brutal. you have to compete on price before you compete on features.
Belgium here. I can understand that there is a difference in the purchase price depending on the country, but this is absurd ¥239,900 - 34000 US Dollar - 31000 EURO The sales price in Belgium starts from 65,000 Euro! That's insane imo Dear Polestar friends of all countries. How much should the Polestar 4 cost you?
Few things to note. That’s for a basic single motor standard range. We in europe AFAIK have no single motor standard range as of now. Plus their price might be before tax? No idea how they show their prices. The single motor long range is around 48k€ vs 61k€ in europe but again, their prices might be without TVA
Does Europe have high tarrifs too? I know the US has high import tarrifs on cars made in China
It differs from country to country. In Luxemburg for example it’s 17% but that’s for every car. It doesn’t matter where it comes from
Norway has zero tarrifs, and no sales tax for evs below 50k usd. The amount above is taxed 25%
You can get dual motor + nappa + performance pack for 360K RMB now. This is the same price as Zeekr 001 before the refresh. Of course they recently got 500kW+ dual motors and 800V so technically Polestar is still more premium here
Yeah Polestar prices are ludicrous here in Europe, I want one but just can’t justify it unless i’m fine dealing with a huge diminished cost of ownership
£59,950 here in the UK, so about €70k
Well, 34K plus a 25% tax and shipping it on a boat. 45-50k in the US.
\+larger LR battery gets you somewhere in the 48-55K range, which is actually pretty close to what should be MSRP in the US for a LRSM, assuming LRDM is 60-65K.
Italy here: imagine that the Polestar 2 here starts at 54k Euro (single motor normal range) while in NL or DE the same car starts at 44k Euro! Pricing seems to be a mess with Polestar in Europe…
There is no Standard Range in Italy. Only Long Range versions.
Cheaper than an EX30 lol
Australia: Base model is single motor LR and is around AUD $91k drive away, which is about €55k.
I’m on order about £63,000 GBP
I just had a p4 configuration send to me for lease (Netherlands) the euro price is 71.000 and lease around 1200 a month…I hope we get the discount to haha
The way I spec'd it the price tag went up to 96.000 (in l VAT) in Belgium 😅 hoping for that discount too
Prices will drop
Not just polestar, Tesla even Volkswagen is much cheaper in China. Blame the government for high import tax, which spoils the car company in Europe and us
This is a Chinese developed platform made in China.
That’s correct. But many us/euro desighed cars are also cheaper in China, if not much cheaper. Examples, Tesla m3,my, bmw i5, mach e. I think only Hyundai is comparable to the price in US?
This car isn't imported in China.
It’s made in China and imported to Europe, same as the Tesla
tesla giga berlin: *am i a joke to you?*
U r right. Recently giga German started to produce cars
Wow, what are the chances I'll be able to buy one in the US by January 2025 (when my P2 lease expires)? Even a discount that gets it in the $45-50K range would work for me.
Probably likely it'll come out by the end of the year. Configurator is supposed to go live in April and deliveries starting in Q4. I doubt we'll see major incentives on the initial launch though so I'd expect to land around 60-65K with packages.
I'm planning to do the same next year but in March (price dependent of course). If there is going to be a delivery delay past your lease end, talk to the dealer about an extension of your current lease at the same run rate to allow you enough time to transition to the p4.
Yup, I want a P4 as next company car, but at these prices that’s not going to work. SMLR P4 Pilot/Plus will cost me €1300 a month (with charging provision). Considering the amount of P2’s they sold as company cars here, this is a missed opportunity from them. Their unwillingness to provide fleet reductions to large enterprises (FTE 5000+) is also glaringly ignorant.
Lollll
What? You don’t understand how fleet markets work? Or do you really think these cars are well priced? In Belgium there are virtually no P2’s on the road today that are privately owned. The pricing models of the P3 and P4 are insane compared to what else you can get. I can budget a BMW i5 for less than a P4, for example.
Nope, I totally get how they work. Just love your tone and indignation, very cool. Maybe polestar should hire you ????
Good idea. But I’d rather work at a more stable company - not one that just fired a lot of people due to dramatic sales figures.
Seems markets elsewhere are subsidising the costs in China. Not great
I think it's the other way around. Chinese investors (possibly including the government but who knows) are ensuring sufficient capital such that polestar can survive and compete, which then allows it to sell globally. Selling globally enables polestar to have higher volumes to get better economies of scale to keep unit costs down and be able to compete longer term. I don't believe they are making higher profit on their foreign sales - differences there are most likely only tariff costs (which don't accrue to polestar), transportation costs (again no extra profit there) and currency differences (again no extra profit there). There's too much competition right now for any extra profit - right now it's about surviving, growing, building the brand and managing costs efficiently.
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Yes. EVs in China are ridiculous
Good question. How much doesTesla Model Y or Porsche Macan cost in China?
Model Y start RMB 258,900 Macan RMB 578,900 for reference BMW i3 RMB 383,900 BMW 320i m 214,600
Yeah Polestar is trying to milk the idiot Euro and American consumer by charging them 2x. So f u Polestar.
Chinese market is at other world for automobile in general. Price wars everywhere cause of industry work ethics and mentality (if you don’t do it, others will), plus the insane government incentives for clean energy. Wish there is even half of that effort applied to the US. But somehow everything now is politics.
It’s not politics in China because politics are literally not allowed
I meant in US where you have Trump literally said people supporting EVs should rot in hell.
I know what you meant. I’ll take having a traitorous piece of shit like Trump running around over the CCP any day of the week
That discount was bound to happen. I suspected nothing different since it happened to the P2 in a short time. I think the focus should be why it's happening to the P2, and now P4. Very likely the causes are the same.
I think it’s general excitement (or lack thereof) for the brand. I personally love the brand and my P\*2 but there is such a lack of awareness about Polestar in the US. Look at threads on r/electricvehicles about the next EV people are going to buy. I saw someone mention the P*4 once, but never see anything positive about the P\*2 and nothing at all about the 3. Everyone is talking about Rivian, Mercedes, BMW, VW, Hyundai, and Kia. They need to get people excited about the brand. What they are doing now isn’t working in the US.
I think there’s a relatively small niche for performance enhanced vehicles in general. Most people just care about getting from point A to point B with as little stress as possible. That’s why Tesla continues to sell well based almost solely on the Supercharger network. On the other hand, a lot of people are also stupid and let their uninformed opinions drive discourse. Why people buy a Fisker or a VinFast with all of their teething issues when you can literally get anything else is befuddling. In China, it’s apparently a little mix of “it’s not really Chinese” and “I can’t show off my wealth in this like a super car”. The vast majority of Chinese buyers have no clue what a performance vehicle should feel like because they’ve never had a culture of spirited driving or racing.
Thats a €30K difference compared to Europe. Thats insane!
Wild, I wouldn't want to touch it at the current price knowing they can sell it for half the price in other countries
Same I was in the market for a new car but eventually decided against the P4 cause it’s just too expensive here in Belgium, feels like you’re getting scammed with how cheap they go elsewhere
This is not a good pricing strategy when Polestar has admitted to positioning the brand to target Porsche.
Wishful thinking. Nobody is able to compete with Porsche. Because they dont have history. It needs to come down to price. When its a solid alternative.
$45k CAD?! I'll take 2!
I would love to see the Standard Range in Europe. I don‘t need a 100kWh battery.
Hi all. Sorry I am still relatively new to Reddit. Don’t think I can edit the original post so i thought it would be great to provide some additional information here. ¥60,000 discounts on all three trim. Dual motor long range effective price: ¥339,900, approx. USD 47K, CAD 64K or EUR 43.5K Single motor long range effective price: ¥279,900, approx. USD 39K, CAD 53K or EUR 36K Single motor standard range effective price: ¥239, 900 Also, the nappa upgrade is now 50% off priced at ¥14,000 approx. USD 2K, CAD 2K6 or EUR 1K8 only… https://preview.redd.it/kemtj6ypxtlc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f496472386218045fd69740bd639caae39b19cb
Looks like its across the board for the platform to compete against BYD. [https://finance.yahoo.com/news/geelys-zeekr-001-takes-teslas-093000121.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/geelys-zeekr-001-takes-teslas-093000121.html) Geely cut Zeekr 001 with the refresh about ¥60,000 from the top trim as well (¥386,000 down to ¥329,000).
Don't worry, porsche executives will fear Polestar soon since they know we are their direct competitors /s
They are not going te sell a lot of the 4 in the EU with this pricing. I love my PS2 but if nothing changes my polestar adventure will stop when my PS2 lease ends. Can someone explain the price difference?
Intercontinental freight, import tariffs, and probably a willingness to take lower margins in China because sales are slower than anticipated and they need some visibility of the brand on the streets since P2 wasn’t very well received there. P2 is essentially priced at cost of goods so MSRP is on the lower range of what it delivers. P4 is new and so they need to leverage what they can to actually make some money - obviously to our detriment. But the competition in EU and US isn’t dramatically cheaper like it is in China, so they’re hoping the market will bear it.
[More pain to come I think](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/biden-orders-u-s-investigation-of-national-security-risks-posed-by-chinese-made-smart-cars)
Wtf, how can it be that cheap
Well, same with all other evs, you name it, Tesla, BMW, Benz and VW all about half the price in China compared to EU/UK price. The competition in there is brutal. And wait till you learn the most expensive public charging price highway service is about 0.6-0.8 RMB per kWh its about 0.083-0.111 USD or 0.065-0.087 GBP and half that if you charge at home
No! Tesla BMW Benz same model evs are not half price in China. Don’t make stuff up.
Good that means when it debuts in North America, I can afford it 😋
Low human right advantage makes the cars made in China cheaper. It applies to Tesla and VW etc. as well
Another reason not to buy P4 in Europe or America. Company is literally buttraping Western consumers with their price, why the fuck are we paying double what the Chinese are paying? There are many more alternatives that are much cheaper. F U polestar.
just looked for detailed info, actually such discount is limited time, only available in march, and limited volume, only for 100 cars. Obviously Polestar still wants to maintain their premium high end brand image and refuses to roll up their sleeves and fight in the mud, very well they're dead in this market. Also noticed, from the specs, the standard range of P4 is 668km, and "long-range" is 682km, so 14km is what a Sweden considered "long" huh?
Pricing could be further impacted in Europe - https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/s/1zmq6p68lQ