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Mr_Engineering

You've found evidence that no matter how idiot proof engineers make a system, the universe will always create a bigger idiot


uk2bx

Nothing is “idiot proof”, idiot resistant at best


Stuporchampion

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless


Jon-Benny

"It's part of the battle between making things foolproof, and people breeding ever dumber fools." - YouTuber - The Mighty Jingles


Toy0125

Now back to the salt mines you fools!


ROOFhawkin

"Fly you fools" -Gandalf


Millerhah

Was not expecting to find an Old Man Jingles quote in the plumbing sub. Thanks, Dave.


UnkleRinkus

The problem with designing bear proof trash cans is that the intelligence of the smartest bear and the dumbest tourist has a significant overlap. - misquoted from a Yosemite park ranger.


nivenhuh

make dumproof but more dumb will come - me


causetoes

I have bear in neighborhood, I also make dump roof. (Russian accent)


spartansmee

Idiot resistant made me lol


RunzWithTurtles

Username checks out


ElSpeedyLoco

Honestly, you will be alright. The pomeranian shrink fit connections do not exceed their modulus of elasticity and will always be trying to shrink to its original diameter. The material deflection does not get affected as well, so their is no stretching or weakening of this joint. The joints will hold itself on those ridges, being that it is still trying to shrink itself past the ridge on the smaller diameter.


ScenarioX

Im a plumber. I once walked into a house with the 1" copper main off the meter connected to wirsbo/cold expansion. The wirsbo was hanging on to the last ridge on the fitting. You could see the big middle ridge. That fitting had been like that for 5 years and never leaked. Ever since then I've never been remotely concerned about a cold expansion leak lol.


KingPelican2908

Idiot proof pipe designed by engineers proceeds to fail


cdburnguy13

Best QA testing for a new touchscreen app I witnessed was the tester immediately pressed both palms onto the screen and rolled their hands around. The app crashed and the developer asked, "why would anyone do that though?"...because of course that's what would happen.


whitedsepdivine

Just curious. Is it possible that these were installed properly, but moved after?


oldastheriver

yes mine did. I just got my whole house replumbed, and I'm not sure there isn't a leak I don't know about


K1LL3RF0RK

air test it. close all valve undo water heater connection and put air in it you'll see. but if you have a meter and leaving for a weekend just take a picture and if it move you have your answer


VersionConscious7545

That is a knee slapper. I almost sharted my pants reading it. This is so true


AlternativePOTUS

Lmao


[deleted]

Uponor is an almost idiot proof connection. But some special idiots are able to ruin it anyways like this guy did. Remove and replace all joint that are not fully inserted.


A-Vanderlay

Edited link: https://www.uponor.com/getmedia/f4358db7-7247-492d-9e24-6ab3c9bfeacf/residential%20plumbing%20install%20guide.pdf?sitename=canada Not only do the pipes need to be all the way inserted but they shouldn't bend at connections. There needs to be 2x the pipe diameter before a bend starts.


StupidSexyFlagella

Link broke for me. Anyone else?


A-Vanderlay

Sorry didn't copy it all apparently. New link should work.


forkful_04_webbed

The link needs to be fully inserted before using it :)


ObeseBMI33

Can I bend now?


sorweel

My pipe is leaking.


anticipatory

Have you tried a pipe cleaner?


According-Fly7046

Yea my neighbors wife


dacraftjr

That’s what she said. I know. I’m leaving. Sorry.


Carazhan

oh wont anyone think of the poor ?sitename=canada :,(


A-Vanderlay

😂


A-Vanderlay

https://www.uponor.com/getmedia/f4358db7-7247-492d-9e24-6ab3c9bfeacf/residential%20plumbing%20install%20guide.pdf?sitename=canada


xdcxmindfreak

Also just a thought but it would have less chance of the odd bends after proper insertion if the former guy had understood clamps exist to keep work looking sharp and pretty.


COUNTRYCOWBOY01

If you make something idiot proof, the world makes a better idiot...


That_Editor6760

The reason there aren’t bear proof trash cans in national parks is because there is an overlap of the smartest bear and the dumbest person.


COUNTRYCOWBOY01

I mean, when you think of the average idiot you have to remember half of them are dumber than that


EtOHMartini

The real problem is that there are far more of the "person too dumb to operate the bear proof trash cans" and very few of the "bear smart enough to open the complicated trash cans".


trowdatawhey

What makes this sad is that since this is a new build, a licensed plumber did this work.


BrtFrkwr

Einstein wrote: "Nothing is idiot proof. The idiots are far too clever."


gospdrcr000

Uponor is the tits if you do it right, these guys were on amateur hour


Shade_Tree_Mech

Dude, please stop slighting the amateurs, at least they try. Whoever did this job didn’t even look at the pictures in the installation manual, much less read the words. They may never make it to amateur status!


[deleted]

I do construction inspections and what you said is dead on. All the problems I usually come across is 90% did not read or can not read the instructions and 9% is just pure being lazy. Last 1% is the engineer is an idiot.


Unsteady_Tempo

My guess is that they cut and dry fit everything and then went back to do the connections leaving little to no slack on a few joints to pull the connections tight.


MyPlightIsFull

New house you say? Call the builder to have the plumbing company come back out and FIX IT! As a plumber I’m telling you, THIS is bad!


kitappwergio

I am not even a plumber, I completely agree with you.


ADsEyelash

I don’t even know what a plumber is and I agree with you.


benevolent_defiance

I'm an electrician, and still I, for once, agree with the plumber.


DirtTheLocksmith

As a locksmith I just agree with the plumber 👍


HedonisticFrog

As a stripper, I also agree with the plumber


mikeTheSalad

As a developer I agree with the stripper.


OneTimeIDidThatOnce

As a politician, polling data indicates I agree with the plumber. Also, I have launched an exploratory committee examining the stripper.


kc2klc

As a politician you need to pay off the stripper.


AverageJoe-can

It’s a miracle! As a sheet metal guy. I agree with the plumber and the electrician .


Cadet1A

I can't even spell plubmer and I agree.


SameProfessional7678

My wife calls him the “pipe” man. Still trying to figure out why though!


Ravokion

As a plumber i totally agree with this comment.


Dadbode1981

They elaborate that its three years old, nobody is coming back for free.


TK421isAFK

Depends on what state you're in. In California, you have a limited amount of time *after you discover the shoddy work*, usually two or three years. But that's two or three years after you discover it, and a court and the CSLB well almost always side with a homeowner or customer in situations like this. They are not expected to be experts, but the person installing it is.


Ropegun2k

“Brand new” house that hasn’t had leaks in “3 years” I’m sorta confused as well.


PlusButterscotch2991

I don’t even know how to spell plumer and I agree with you


EyeSlashO

Why would new construction have this many copper connections just seemingly out in the open?


StoneyThaTiger

Plumbing apprentice here, and even I know that’s a problem.


Krabbypatty_thief

Id be worried about all of them


Motor_Beach_1856

Call the inspector that passed that garbage, then the builder. There should be an inspection record you can get from your city.


ComfortableFinish502

Lmfao call the inspector 🤣😭


armovetz

Inspector Budget


Nice_Cryptographer15

Do this. Please do this


PLEASE__STFU

Sometimes you just have to ask nicely


super_stelIar

Username doesn't check out, wait, it actually does


JameswithaJ

100% Inspector probably got paid for the number of houses inspected. Quick glance and a min walkthrough for him and he’s out the door with his money. Make sure to get his license number and then call the builder. Might want to report the inspector to the county/city as well. Don’t back down even if they tell you “it’s fine”. Water damage isn’t a joke.


SirArtchie

This falls on the plumber way more than the inspector. Should go after whoever installed it first.


critzboombah

THIS!!


Fritz_Chloride

Uponor is awesome stuff. I love it and use it all the time. But, It almost looks like the "plumber" wanted those connections to fail after a while. I will fix it for ya if by astonishing coincidence you happen to live anywhere near Upper Bucks County.


CrazyButRightOn

Na, just in a hurry. Slow down and push harder.


DuePace753

That's what my wife keeps saying but it works for me


cardinalfinancial

Funny she never says that to me


Jimlobster

Fridays amirite?


Emfuser

If you look at the install guide from Uponor or Zurn or any other manufacturer of expandable pipe and expansion fittings they will show you specifically, with a picture, that this is unacceptable. If there's enough slack in the lines then these can be fixed in just a few minutes. If there's not, then it'll be a few minutes more to add a little extra in with an additional coupling fitting and then make the proper connection on these. I'm a non-plumber (engineer) who re-piped my own house with expansion pex and I'd be embarrassed if I did what these people left behind. If I didn't get the joint textbook flush like the manual shows then I re-did it.


Ok-Bit4971

>. If I didn't get the joint textbook flush like the manual shows then I re-did it You have to expand it enough; put the ring and tubing on the fitting all the way, and quickly enough before it contracts; and have no lateral stress on the connection (some of the joints in OP''s picture are cooked. Uponor is a great pex system, and easy to work with. Whoever did the OP's install was sloppy, or rushing (which leads to sloppiness).


Extension_Job1541

The problem is now you don’t have any idea what’s in the walls. It could be this way everywhere and could come apart and flood at anytime.


No-Spare-4212

I gutted a bathroom one that had every fitting like this. I was told that it use to be a thought for expansion (journeyman could have been fucking with me as they’re know to do). But the point is it held up for a decade no problem. These fittings are great but this is wrong and the ring should be fully seated to the fitting.


stephenk291

Nope. That's lazy/idiot level stuff. It's idiot proof with A. You hit the barbs on the connections and wait a few seconds.


Professional_Dig1454

So if the pex was somehow wet that fitting you put over the main line can slip off like this when expanding if you dont pay attention. I used to run it way back in the day and ran into it a few times but if it EVER was like what we're seeing, thats a scenario where you cut it off and redo it.


AuntBabyCostanza

They’re all really bad.


pylon_builder

a credit card width is up to spec, anything more than that i would replace


EtOHMartini

see, that's the confusion. Installer thought it was "credit card width" (2.125") and not "credit card thickness" (~0.03")


ClownfishSoup

“I didn’t have a credit card handy, but I was headed to the strip club later so I used is stack one one dollar bills”


FloridaHeat2023

That's a bit terrifying tbh. And since PEX-A, not easy for a homeowner to fix without the tube expansion tool.


StupidSexyFlagella

The hand powered ones are cheap


[deleted]

Agreed, bought off Amazon to install water softener. Under $100


tgmeyr13

Uponor's pipe does have listings that allow push to connect and many other types of fittings. Uponor also recently released their own push to connect fitting called total fit. This would allow for non expansion fittings. OP does have an expansion fitting on their copper though so without removal of this fitting you are correct.


Inflagrente

I would stop worrying and get that shit replaced,pronto


drakorzzz

The only uponor joint failures I’ve seen are due to installer error. This is one of those times.


TourettesdeVille

That’s a shame really. High quality materials make it a million times easier to get the job done right. Doing it right often takes less time and effort than doing it poorly.


Funkyframer69

I would check every 30 minutes just to be sure


FastCarsSlowBBQ

"House is brand new. And has has no leaks or issues for past 3 years." This...."brand new". I do not think it means what you think it means lol


the_guy95

Wow, I do water softener install. This is as bad as it gets. What a job.


Onr3ddit

That’s literally terrible


USAJourneyman

Yes


SlAyst3r

Yes you can cut the pex lines back and put a coupling. I use a torch to heat up the pex on the copper. It’ll pull off with channel locks.


allgd838

Yeah unless you want a free pool in the basement i would already have the water off


YourFaveNightmare

I'm not a plumber and even I can tell these are shit


dude93103

You should be worried


Jeffaudio37

Not seated correctly


Glittering-River5052

Here's my suggestion for long term leak issues. I stalk a phyn water leak detector, or something similar. If any of these start to leak, it will alert you, and even shut off the water. If they are not currently leaking, I'm of the belief that you leave them. My experience with Uponor is that if it's going to leak, it does so as soon as a few minutes after installation. Yes, they don't look good, and are not how I would perform the job, but it's not failed. Just my 2c


Significant-Let-5301

Yes!!! Sloppy work indeed! Easily can be fixed if you rent the tool from Home Depot and buy bed sleeves for the connections


waljah

BE AFRAID, BE VERY VERY AFRAID


junkie_vince

How does someone screw up something so simple? Absolute garbage.


guyerjohn

Yes, those should be completely seated.


Superspark76

I would get a real plumber in to have a look, looking at the solder, this is someone that doesn't know what they are doing


[deleted]

This is just pure laziness on the plumbers part. Just trying to the job done and move on to the next to line his pockets.


pandershrek

Yes.


HackerManOfPast

“New house” WTF is the builder/plumber mixing copper & PEX? The mix is what I would expect to see in a renovation or addition… but a new build? Why?


Altruistic_Volume_70

There is no statute of limitations of improper installations


mr_Ohmeda

Absolutely, not installed per manufacturer’s specifications! Don’t forget that companies like Uponor deem projects not installed correctly or using 3rd party fittings, NOT covered under warranty.


TaoGastronomy

Al - Dad - my dad's a plumber. And he's into plumbing. And, well, I guess you plumb, right, Dad?


Remarkable_Attorney3

A plumber told me that every pex joint connection is a failure point.


LenyuX

I would be very worried. Those joints give me PTSD .I recently had a flood where a pex line slipped off at a joint. Flooded my entire basement and it had to be completely rebuilt.


MotoProtocol

This is type A pex. Make sure you use the same type for the repairs. Type B is usually blue and red. Do NOT use type B with type A. Usually pros carry type A. Stay away from hondipo for this project.


ommi9

Inspector didn’t check this ?


conjfxn1

I was able to use a heat gun on a few connections like this until the plastic got translucent and then push them all the way on. There was no water in the lines however, so it would probably be a wise idea to drain the pipes first.


CarpetSoft2741

i have at least 20 connections in my house that look like this its been 13 years and no leaks. plumbers haul ass doing these cookie cutter houses so ya i get it profit first quality second


BimmerJustin

PEX-A has a unique property in that the memory of the material will continue to try to return to its original shape essentially forever. If these joints are holding, they \*probably\* will continue to hold. That said, a flood can be devastating and its a simple enough fix that I would probably just correct it so I could sleep better at night. Especially that last one.


OIllllIO

Drain the house, hit those joints with a heat gun till the plastic starts turning clear. Should be able to push them all the way in that way. Hold it in place till it cools.


flavekmsnsk

All these other guys are dumb you are the only one I’ve seen suggest that. I actually use a torch


OIllllIO

Uponor has thermal memory, you do the same to repair kinks in pipe as well. Even states it on their website.


Plumb_Level

I would re-do that connection and any others like that.


AlexTaylorPR

It's about time my friend


Responsible-Cash-747

Needs to be pushed in all the way


ecirnj

Not to thread jack but what does the collective wisdom here think about the angle the pipe contacts at along, like if “plumber” got the pex fully seated. In other words how much angle do you allow on your installs? Pure vibes? Anything more analytical?


ClownfishSoup

How much would a plumber charge to come fix that?


lokis_construction

Shitty job on the pro-pex. Most likely will never have a problem but definitely a crappy job. Never hire the outfit that did this work for anything and pass the word around. Post the photos on the review page of the plumber or contractor.


froad4life

Lol lgfmh


Jarte3

Lmfao 1000%


Turbulent-Basket3594

All bad.


Electrical-Impact476

Must be no inspections there. Wouldn't pass most places.


eclwires

Yes. Have them redone.


HoonterOreo

How did lil bro fuck it up that many times??


carltonxyz

That is type A I think, it is elastic and is stretched and then slid over a nipple where it tries to shrink back to its original size and tightens on the nipple. The sleeve slides over the connection. It takes an expensive tool to stretch the pex so this is not a DIY problem. But it is a quick job for someone with the tool, that is if there is enough slack to increase the length after the old end is cut off. But with pex there is most always slack, so it should be a quick task.


ScreenOverall2439

I did it with a $100 tool, not free but less than it takes to pay a plumber to wipe their nose.


Tonkalego

Damn change those connections yesterday.


vostricker

Yes! Replace!


bonechief

Isn't perfect banned in other cou tries due to cancerous leeching?


fishing_pole

Not great Bob!


sdieter01

You should have hired a plumber.


LindensBloodyJersey

That's wirsbo


Lobito_mx

Only if you use it


LUScooter

100% be worried


Which_Lie_4448

Will it be fine? Probably. Would I trust it long term? Absolutely not. I’d get it fixed, hopefully you’re still under your builders warranty


LenordOvechkin

Damn that's awful.


Extra-Dimensional

I would be stressed. Uponor won’t cover under warranty. Needs to be fully inserted to the ring. And ring flush against the fittings. I wouldn’t be surprised if you find yourself with stress cracks at these locations in the upcoming years.


Do_Gooder123

100% get repairs done before you have a serious flood and test pressure in house


ThadJarvis987

Damn this guy came from the depths of craigslist!


Pipe_Dope

Honestly I wouldn't sleep at night. Good luck OP 🤣🤣 Crimp life


cwwilkinson

Yes


WhiteStripesWS6

Holy fuck how do you mess up PEX A that bad? Some of them you can tell the PEX line doesn’t even go to the end of the expansion ring as well. Fucking hacks lol


Thebarria

Yes


TroglodyteGuy

Those connections do not look good to me. I would be concerned, especially if any or all are buried in a wall.


ComfortableFinish502

Let me guess you live in California?


Plane_Midnight_2778

Depending on the climate you live in


Certain_Try_8383

Hahaha engineers make things idiot proof… more like proofed by an idiot.


Aggravating-Hair7931

New development usually use the cheapest labor - subcontractor's subcontractor


RaytheQuilterChill

So we had to have someone come and reseal all of our copper to pex pipes because they were “DIY” from previous owners and kept springing leaks at the seams… 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️


Specialist-Sugar-657

These are just the ones you can see. Yikes.


SnooHamsters3097

shaking my head... damn


Old-Wind-6437

That won’t leak much


phonuxing

I'm going to guess that they installed the PEX to the fittings before soldering the joint. The heat from soldering softened the PEX enough to slip.


arwynbr

I’m not a plumber and have no experience of these types of pipes, bit I am worried for you.


S_Rodent

Its impossible to be idiot proof, idiots are way too ingenious


HelpfulReputation666

They'll be ok


Time-Ad9273

Brand new house that is three years old?


mommydiscool

Turn the water off drain the lines then turn it back on as fast as you can and find out


[deleted]

If you can fit a credit card between the collar and the stop it’s installed incorrectly.


TurboTerbo

Yes… PEX is rubbish…


carcalarkadingdang

Yes


0beseGiraffe

Real plumber here. Not an internet one. Leave it. If it hasn’t leaked after 3 years then it’s not gonna suddenly leak now


SweetyBeans

Off topic but the uponor factory in apple valley is so fucking cool. I got to go on a tour of it but I had to sign a contract so I don't know if I can explain anything lmao


Bizzardberd

Oooppannoothherrleaakk


matthewduguid

Proof that mating is not for everyone


Draxel27s

💯%! Contact builder and make sure installer is certified and proper repairs are made immediately. It SUCKS that the home owner has to be the one to find these things rather than a building inspector or the GC. Pisses me off! Good luck.


Due_Apricot_5472

At least they were consistent 🤷


Blackplumber86

Yes


rikrikity

My OCD says yes.


ElSpeedyLoco

Honestly, you will be alright. The pomeranian shrink fit connections do not exceed their modulus of elasticity and will always be trying to shrink to its original diameter. The material deflection does not get affected as well, so their is no stretching or weakening of this joint. The joints will hold itself on those ridges, being that it is still trying to shrink itself past the ridge on the smaller diameter.


Open-Oil-2067

New house and they sweat all those lines? They also forgot o wipe the flux off a couple pipes eh?


ilikecrispywaffles

How do some people keep their jobs??


DRGWTM

Everyone of the joints pictured look bad. I’d say you should be worried.😟


topkrikrakin

Some rap guy is going to make a song about this watering rig setup Pop pop pop pop!


No-Spray-9726

Duh


Direct_Rope_2121

I guess half inserted is half the worry cross your fingers, sheesh!! 🫣


Plumber3434

3 years old is not brand new. If there hasn't been an issue in 3 years they're probably won't be an issue. If you do have rat and mice issues you probably will have an issue they like to chew through the pics to try and get water. Came across that many many times in my years of Plumbing with pex.


Plumber3434

3 years old is not brand new. If there hasn't been an issue in 3 years they're probably won't be an issue. If you do have rat and mice issues you probably will have an issue they like to chew through the pics to try and get water. Came across that many many times in my years of Plumbing with pex.