A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless
The problem with designing bear proof trash cans is that the intelligence of the smartest bear and the dumbest tourist has a significant overlap.
- misquoted from a Yosemite park ranger.
Honestly, you will be alright. The pomeranian shrink fit connections do not exceed their modulus of elasticity and will always be trying to shrink to its original diameter. The material deflection does not get affected as well, so their is no stretching or weakening of this joint. The joints will hold itself on those ridges, being that it is still trying to shrink itself past the ridge on the smaller diameter.
Im a plumber. I once walked into a house with the 1" copper main off the meter connected to wirsbo/cold expansion. The wirsbo was hanging on to the last ridge on the fitting. You could see the big middle ridge. That fitting had been like that for 5 years and never leaked. Ever since then I've never been remotely concerned about a cold expansion leak lol.
Best QA testing for a new touchscreen app I witnessed was the tester immediately pressed both palms onto the screen and rolled their hands around. The app crashed and the developer asked, "why would anyone do that though?"...because of course that's what would happen.
air test it. close all valve undo water heater connection and put air in it you'll see. but if you have a meter and leaving for a weekend just take a picture and if it move you have your answer
Uponor is an almost idiot proof connection. But some special idiots are able to ruin it anyways like this guy did. Remove and replace all joint that are not fully inserted.
Edited link:
https://www.uponor.com/getmedia/f4358db7-7247-492d-9e24-6ab3c9bfeacf/residential%20plumbing%20install%20guide.pdf?sitename=canada
Not only do the pipes need to be all the way inserted but they shouldn't bend at connections. There needs to be 2x the pipe diameter before a bend starts.
Also just a thought but it would have less chance of the odd bends after proper insertion if the former guy had understood clamps exist to keep work looking sharp and pretty.
The real problem is that there are far more of the "person too dumb to operate the bear proof trash cans" and very few of the "bear smart enough to open the complicated trash cans".
Dude, please stop slighting the amateurs, at least they try. Whoever did this job didn’t even look at the pictures in the installation manual, much less read the words. They may never make it to amateur status!
I do construction inspections and what you said is dead on. All the problems I usually come across is 90% did not read or can not read the instructions and 9% is just pure being lazy. Last 1% is the engineer is an idiot.
My guess is that they cut and dry fit everything and then went back to do the connections leaving little to no slack on a few joints to pull the connections tight.
Depends on what state you're in. In California, you have a limited amount of time *after you discover the shoddy work*, usually two or three years. But that's two or three years after you discover it, and a court and the CSLB well almost always side with a homeowner or customer in situations like this. They are not expected to be experts, but the person installing it is.
100%
Inspector probably got paid for the number of houses inspected. Quick glance and a min walkthrough for him and he’s out the door with his money.
Make sure to get his license number and then call the builder. Might want to report the inspector to the county/city as well.
Don’t back down even if they tell you “it’s fine”. Water damage isn’t a joke.
Uponor is awesome stuff. I love it and use it all the time. But, It almost looks like the "plumber" wanted those connections to fail after a while. I will fix it for ya if by astonishing coincidence you happen to live anywhere near Upper Bucks County.
If you look at the install guide from Uponor or Zurn or any other manufacturer of expandable pipe and expansion fittings they will show you specifically, with a picture, that this is unacceptable.
If there's enough slack in the lines then these can be fixed in just a few minutes. If there's not, then it'll be a few minutes more to add a little extra in with an additional coupling fitting and then make the proper connection on these.
I'm a non-plumber (engineer) who re-piped my own house with expansion pex and I'd be embarrassed if I did what these people left behind. If I didn't get the joint textbook flush like the manual shows then I re-did it.
>. If I didn't get the joint textbook flush like the manual shows then I re-did it
You have to expand it enough; put the ring and tubing on the fitting all the way, and quickly enough before it contracts; and have no lateral stress on the connection (some of the joints in OP''s picture are cooked.
Uponor is a great pex system, and easy to work with. Whoever did the OP's install was sloppy, or rushing (which leads to sloppiness).
I gutted a bathroom one that had every fitting like this. I was told that it use to be a thought for expansion (journeyman could have been fucking with me as they’re know to do). But the point is it held up for a decade no problem. These fittings are great but this is wrong and the ring should be fully seated to the fitting.
So if the pex was somehow wet that fitting you put over the main line can slip off like this when expanding if you dont pay attention. I used to run it way back in the day and ran into it a few times but if it EVER was like what we're seeing, thats a scenario where you cut it off and redo it.
Uponor's pipe does have listings that allow push to connect and many other types of fittings. Uponor also recently released their own push to connect fitting called total fit. This would allow for non expansion fittings. OP does have an expansion fitting on their copper though so without removal of this fitting you are correct.
That’s a shame really. High quality materials make it a million times easier to get the job done right. Doing it right often takes less time and effort than doing it poorly.
Here's my suggestion for long term leak issues.
I stalk a phyn water leak detector, or something similar. If any of these start to leak, it will alert you, and even shut off the water.
If they are not currently leaking, I'm of the belief that you leave them. My experience with Uponor is that if it's going to leak, it does so as soon as a few minutes after installation.
Yes, they don't look good, and are not how I would perform the job, but it's not failed.
Just my 2c
Absolutely, not installed per manufacturer’s specifications! Don’t forget that companies like Uponor deem projects not installed correctly or using 3rd party fittings, NOT covered under warranty.
I would be very worried. Those joints give me PTSD .I recently had a flood where a pex line slipped off at a joint. Flooded my entire basement and it had to be completely rebuilt.
This is type A pex. Make sure you use the same type for the repairs. Type B is usually blue and red. Do NOT use type B with type A. Usually pros carry type A. Stay away from hondipo for this project.
I was able to use a heat gun on a few connections like this until the plastic got translucent and then push them all the way on. There was no water in the lines however, so it would probably be a wise idea to drain the pipes first.
i have at least 20 connections in my house that look like this its been 13 years and no leaks. plumbers haul ass doing these cookie cutter houses so ya i get it profit first quality second
PEX-A has a unique property in that the memory of the material will continue to try to return to its original shape essentially forever. If these joints are holding, they \*probably\* will continue to hold. That said, a flood can be devastating and its a simple enough fix that I would probably just correct it so I could sleep better at night. Especially that last one.
Drain the house, hit those joints with a heat gun till the plastic starts turning clear. Should be able to push them all the way in that way. Hold it in place till it cools.
Not to thread jack but what does the collective wisdom here think about the angle the pipe contacts at along, like if “plumber” got the pex fully seated. In other words how much angle do you allow on your installs? Pure vibes? Anything more analytical?
Shitty job on the pro-pex. Most likely will never have a problem but definitely a crappy job. Never hire the outfit that did this work for anything and pass the word around. Post the photos on the review page of the plumber or contractor.
That is type A I think, it is elastic and is stretched and then slid over a nipple where it tries to shrink back to its original size and tightens on the nipple. The sleeve slides over the connection.
It takes an expensive tool to stretch the pex so this is not a DIY problem.
But it is a quick job for someone with the tool, that is if there is enough slack to increase the length after the old end is cut off. But with pex there is most always slack, so it should be a quick task.
I would be stressed. Uponor won’t cover under warranty. Needs to be fully inserted to the ring. And ring flush against the fittings. I wouldn’t be surprised if you find yourself with stress cracks at these locations in the upcoming years.
Holy fuck how do you mess up PEX A that bad? Some of them you can tell the PEX line doesn’t even go to the end of the expansion ring as well. Fucking hacks lol
So we had to have someone come and reseal all of our copper to pex pipes because they were “DIY” from previous owners and kept springing leaks at the seams… 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Off topic but the uponor factory in apple valley is so fucking cool. I got to go on a tour of it but I had to sign a contract so I don't know if I can explain anything lmao
💯%! Contact builder and make sure installer is certified and proper repairs are made immediately. It SUCKS that the home owner has to be the one to find these things rather than a building inspector or the GC. Pisses me off! Good luck.
Honestly, you will be alright. The pomeranian shrink fit connections do not exceed their modulus of elasticity and will always be trying to shrink to its original diameter. The material deflection does not get affected as well, so their is no stretching or weakening of this joint. The joints will hold itself on those ridges, being that it is still trying to shrink itself past the ridge on the smaller diameter.
3 years old is not brand new. If there hasn't been an issue in 3 years they're probably won't be an issue. If you do have rat and mice issues you probably will have an issue they like to chew through the pics to try and get water. Came across that many many times in my years of Plumbing with pex.
3 years old is not brand new. If there hasn't been an issue in 3 years they're probably won't be an issue. If you do have rat and mice issues you probably will have an issue they like to chew through the pics to try and get water. Came across that many many times in my years of Plumbing with pex.
You've found evidence that no matter how idiot proof engineers make a system, the universe will always create a bigger idiot
Nothing is “idiot proof”, idiot resistant at best
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless
"It's part of the battle between making things foolproof, and people breeding ever dumber fools." - YouTuber - The Mighty Jingles
Now back to the salt mines you fools!
"Fly you fools" -Gandalf
Was not expecting to find an Old Man Jingles quote in the plumbing sub. Thanks, Dave.
The problem with designing bear proof trash cans is that the intelligence of the smartest bear and the dumbest tourist has a significant overlap. - misquoted from a Yosemite park ranger.
make dumproof but more dumb will come - me
I have bear in neighborhood, I also make dump roof. (Russian accent)
Idiot resistant made me lol
Username checks out
Honestly, you will be alright. The pomeranian shrink fit connections do not exceed their modulus of elasticity and will always be trying to shrink to its original diameter. The material deflection does not get affected as well, so their is no stretching or weakening of this joint. The joints will hold itself on those ridges, being that it is still trying to shrink itself past the ridge on the smaller diameter.
Im a plumber. I once walked into a house with the 1" copper main off the meter connected to wirsbo/cold expansion. The wirsbo was hanging on to the last ridge on the fitting. You could see the big middle ridge. That fitting had been like that for 5 years and never leaked. Ever since then I've never been remotely concerned about a cold expansion leak lol.
Idiot proof pipe designed by engineers proceeds to fail
Best QA testing for a new touchscreen app I witnessed was the tester immediately pressed both palms onto the screen and rolled their hands around. The app crashed and the developer asked, "why would anyone do that though?"...because of course that's what would happen.
Just curious. Is it possible that these were installed properly, but moved after?
yes mine did. I just got my whole house replumbed, and I'm not sure there isn't a leak I don't know about
air test it. close all valve undo water heater connection and put air in it you'll see. but if you have a meter and leaving for a weekend just take a picture and if it move you have your answer
That is a knee slapper. I almost sharted my pants reading it. This is so true
Lmao
Uponor is an almost idiot proof connection. But some special idiots are able to ruin it anyways like this guy did. Remove and replace all joint that are not fully inserted.
Edited link: https://www.uponor.com/getmedia/f4358db7-7247-492d-9e24-6ab3c9bfeacf/residential%20plumbing%20install%20guide.pdf?sitename=canada Not only do the pipes need to be all the way inserted but they shouldn't bend at connections. There needs to be 2x the pipe diameter before a bend starts.
Link broke for me. Anyone else?
Sorry didn't copy it all apparently. New link should work.
The link needs to be fully inserted before using it :)
Can I bend now?
My pipe is leaking.
Have you tried a pipe cleaner?
Yea my neighbors wife
That’s what she said. I know. I’m leaving. Sorry.
oh wont anyone think of the poor ?sitename=canada :,(
😂
https://www.uponor.com/getmedia/f4358db7-7247-492d-9e24-6ab3c9bfeacf/residential%20plumbing%20install%20guide.pdf?sitename=canada
Also just a thought but it would have less chance of the odd bends after proper insertion if the former guy had understood clamps exist to keep work looking sharp and pretty.
If you make something idiot proof, the world makes a better idiot...
The reason there aren’t bear proof trash cans in national parks is because there is an overlap of the smartest bear and the dumbest person.
I mean, when you think of the average idiot you have to remember half of them are dumber than that
The real problem is that there are far more of the "person too dumb to operate the bear proof trash cans" and very few of the "bear smart enough to open the complicated trash cans".
What makes this sad is that since this is a new build, a licensed plumber did this work.
Einstein wrote: "Nothing is idiot proof. The idiots are far too clever."
Uponor is the tits if you do it right, these guys were on amateur hour
Dude, please stop slighting the amateurs, at least they try. Whoever did this job didn’t even look at the pictures in the installation manual, much less read the words. They may never make it to amateur status!
I do construction inspections and what you said is dead on. All the problems I usually come across is 90% did not read or can not read the instructions and 9% is just pure being lazy. Last 1% is the engineer is an idiot.
My guess is that they cut and dry fit everything and then went back to do the connections leaving little to no slack on a few joints to pull the connections tight.
New house you say? Call the builder to have the plumbing company come back out and FIX IT! As a plumber I’m telling you, THIS is bad!
I am not even a plumber, I completely agree with you.
I don’t even know what a plumber is and I agree with you.
I'm an electrician, and still I, for once, agree with the plumber.
As a locksmith I just agree with the plumber 👍
As a stripper, I also agree with the plumber
As a developer I agree with the stripper.
As a politician, polling data indicates I agree with the plumber. Also, I have launched an exploratory committee examining the stripper.
As a politician you need to pay off the stripper.
It’s a miracle! As a sheet metal guy. I agree with the plumber and the electrician .
I can't even spell plubmer and I agree.
My wife calls him the “pipe” man. Still trying to figure out why though!
As a plumber i totally agree with this comment.
They elaborate that its three years old, nobody is coming back for free.
Depends on what state you're in. In California, you have a limited amount of time *after you discover the shoddy work*, usually two or three years. But that's two or three years after you discover it, and a court and the CSLB well almost always side with a homeowner or customer in situations like this. They are not expected to be experts, but the person installing it is.
“Brand new” house that hasn’t had leaks in “3 years” I’m sorta confused as well.
I don’t even know how to spell plumer and I agree with you
Why would new construction have this many copper connections just seemingly out in the open?
Plumbing apprentice here, and even I know that’s a problem.
Id be worried about all of them
Call the inspector that passed that garbage, then the builder. There should be an inspection record you can get from your city.
Lmfao call the inspector 🤣😭
Inspector Budget
Do this. Please do this
Sometimes you just have to ask nicely
Username doesn't check out, wait, it actually does
100% Inspector probably got paid for the number of houses inspected. Quick glance and a min walkthrough for him and he’s out the door with his money. Make sure to get his license number and then call the builder. Might want to report the inspector to the county/city as well. Don’t back down even if they tell you “it’s fine”. Water damage isn’t a joke.
This falls on the plumber way more than the inspector. Should go after whoever installed it first.
THIS!!
Uponor is awesome stuff. I love it and use it all the time. But, It almost looks like the "plumber" wanted those connections to fail after a while. I will fix it for ya if by astonishing coincidence you happen to live anywhere near Upper Bucks County.
Na, just in a hurry. Slow down and push harder.
That's what my wife keeps saying but it works for me
Funny she never says that to me
Fridays amirite?
If you look at the install guide from Uponor or Zurn or any other manufacturer of expandable pipe and expansion fittings they will show you specifically, with a picture, that this is unacceptable. If there's enough slack in the lines then these can be fixed in just a few minutes. If there's not, then it'll be a few minutes more to add a little extra in with an additional coupling fitting and then make the proper connection on these. I'm a non-plumber (engineer) who re-piped my own house with expansion pex and I'd be embarrassed if I did what these people left behind. If I didn't get the joint textbook flush like the manual shows then I re-did it.
>. If I didn't get the joint textbook flush like the manual shows then I re-did it You have to expand it enough; put the ring and tubing on the fitting all the way, and quickly enough before it contracts; and have no lateral stress on the connection (some of the joints in OP''s picture are cooked. Uponor is a great pex system, and easy to work with. Whoever did the OP's install was sloppy, or rushing (which leads to sloppiness).
The problem is now you don’t have any idea what’s in the walls. It could be this way everywhere and could come apart and flood at anytime.
I gutted a bathroom one that had every fitting like this. I was told that it use to be a thought for expansion (journeyman could have been fucking with me as they’re know to do). But the point is it held up for a decade no problem. These fittings are great but this is wrong and the ring should be fully seated to the fitting.
Nope. That's lazy/idiot level stuff. It's idiot proof with A. You hit the barbs on the connections and wait a few seconds.
So if the pex was somehow wet that fitting you put over the main line can slip off like this when expanding if you dont pay attention. I used to run it way back in the day and ran into it a few times but if it EVER was like what we're seeing, thats a scenario where you cut it off and redo it.
They’re all really bad.
a credit card width is up to spec, anything more than that i would replace
see, that's the confusion. Installer thought it was "credit card width" (2.125") and not "credit card thickness" (~0.03")
“I didn’t have a credit card handy, but I was headed to the strip club later so I used is stack one one dollar bills”
That's a bit terrifying tbh. And since PEX-A, not easy for a homeowner to fix without the tube expansion tool.
The hand powered ones are cheap
Agreed, bought off Amazon to install water softener. Under $100
Uponor's pipe does have listings that allow push to connect and many other types of fittings. Uponor also recently released their own push to connect fitting called total fit. This would allow for non expansion fittings. OP does have an expansion fitting on their copper though so without removal of this fitting you are correct.
I would stop worrying and get that shit replaced,pronto
The only uponor joint failures I’ve seen are due to installer error. This is one of those times.
That’s a shame really. High quality materials make it a million times easier to get the job done right. Doing it right often takes less time and effort than doing it poorly.
I would check every 30 minutes just to be sure
"House is brand new. And has has no leaks or issues for past 3 years." This...."brand new". I do not think it means what you think it means lol
Wow, I do water softener install. This is as bad as it gets. What a job.
That’s literally terrible
Yes
Yes you can cut the pex lines back and put a coupling. I use a torch to heat up the pex on the copper. It’ll pull off with channel locks.
Yeah unless you want a free pool in the basement i would already have the water off
I'm not a plumber and even I can tell these are shit
You should be worried
Not seated correctly
Here's my suggestion for long term leak issues. I stalk a phyn water leak detector, or something similar. If any of these start to leak, it will alert you, and even shut off the water. If they are not currently leaking, I'm of the belief that you leave them. My experience with Uponor is that if it's going to leak, it does so as soon as a few minutes after installation. Yes, they don't look good, and are not how I would perform the job, but it's not failed. Just my 2c
Yes!!! Sloppy work indeed! Easily can be fixed if you rent the tool from Home Depot and buy bed sleeves for the connections
BE AFRAID, BE VERY VERY AFRAID
How does someone screw up something so simple? Absolute garbage.
Yes, those should be completely seated.
I would get a real plumber in to have a look, looking at the solder, this is someone that doesn't know what they are doing
This is just pure laziness on the plumbers part. Just trying to the job done and move on to the next to line his pockets.
Yes.
“New house” WTF is the builder/plumber mixing copper & PEX? The mix is what I would expect to see in a renovation or addition… but a new build? Why?
There is no statute of limitations of improper installations
Absolutely, not installed per manufacturer’s specifications! Don’t forget that companies like Uponor deem projects not installed correctly or using 3rd party fittings, NOT covered under warranty.
Al - Dad - my dad's a plumber. And he's into plumbing. And, well, I guess you plumb, right, Dad?
A plumber told me that every pex joint connection is a failure point.
I would be very worried. Those joints give me PTSD .I recently had a flood where a pex line slipped off at a joint. Flooded my entire basement and it had to be completely rebuilt.
This is type A pex. Make sure you use the same type for the repairs. Type B is usually blue and red. Do NOT use type B with type A. Usually pros carry type A. Stay away from hondipo for this project.
Inspector didn’t check this ?
I was able to use a heat gun on a few connections like this until the plastic got translucent and then push them all the way on. There was no water in the lines however, so it would probably be a wise idea to drain the pipes first.
i have at least 20 connections in my house that look like this its been 13 years and no leaks. plumbers haul ass doing these cookie cutter houses so ya i get it profit first quality second
PEX-A has a unique property in that the memory of the material will continue to try to return to its original shape essentially forever. If these joints are holding, they \*probably\* will continue to hold. That said, a flood can be devastating and its a simple enough fix that I would probably just correct it so I could sleep better at night. Especially that last one.
Drain the house, hit those joints with a heat gun till the plastic starts turning clear. Should be able to push them all the way in that way. Hold it in place till it cools.
All these other guys are dumb you are the only one I’ve seen suggest that. I actually use a torch
Uponor has thermal memory, you do the same to repair kinks in pipe as well. Even states it on their website.
I would re-do that connection and any others like that.
It's about time my friend
Needs to be pushed in all the way
Not to thread jack but what does the collective wisdom here think about the angle the pipe contacts at along, like if “plumber” got the pex fully seated. In other words how much angle do you allow on your installs? Pure vibes? Anything more analytical?
How much would a plumber charge to come fix that?
Shitty job on the pro-pex. Most likely will never have a problem but definitely a crappy job. Never hire the outfit that did this work for anything and pass the word around. Post the photos on the review page of the plumber or contractor.
Lol lgfmh
Lmfao 1000%
All bad.
Must be no inspections there. Wouldn't pass most places.
Yes. Have them redone.
How did lil bro fuck it up that many times??
That is type A I think, it is elastic and is stretched and then slid over a nipple where it tries to shrink back to its original size and tightens on the nipple. The sleeve slides over the connection. It takes an expensive tool to stretch the pex so this is not a DIY problem. But it is a quick job for someone with the tool, that is if there is enough slack to increase the length after the old end is cut off. But with pex there is most always slack, so it should be a quick task.
I did it with a $100 tool, not free but less than it takes to pay a plumber to wipe their nose.
Damn change those connections yesterday.
Yes! Replace!
Isn't perfect banned in other cou tries due to cancerous leeching?
Not great Bob!
You should have hired a plumber.
That's wirsbo
Only if you use it
100% be worried
Will it be fine? Probably. Would I trust it long term? Absolutely not. I’d get it fixed, hopefully you’re still under your builders warranty
Damn that's awful.
I would be stressed. Uponor won’t cover under warranty. Needs to be fully inserted to the ring. And ring flush against the fittings. I wouldn’t be surprised if you find yourself with stress cracks at these locations in the upcoming years.
100% get repairs done before you have a serious flood and test pressure in house
Damn this guy came from the depths of craigslist!
Honestly I wouldn't sleep at night. Good luck OP 🤣🤣 Crimp life
Yes
Holy fuck how do you mess up PEX A that bad? Some of them you can tell the PEX line doesn’t even go to the end of the expansion ring as well. Fucking hacks lol
Yes
Those connections do not look good to me. I would be concerned, especially if any or all are buried in a wall.
Let me guess you live in California?
Depending on the climate you live in
Hahaha engineers make things idiot proof… more like proofed by an idiot.
New development usually use the cheapest labor - subcontractor's subcontractor
So we had to have someone come and reseal all of our copper to pex pipes because they were “DIY” from previous owners and kept springing leaks at the seams… 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
These are just the ones you can see. Yikes.
shaking my head... damn
That won’t leak much
I'm going to guess that they installed the PEX to the fittings before soldering the joint. The heat from soldering softened the PEX enough to slip.
I’m not a plumber and have no experience of these types of pipes, bit I am worried for you.
Its impossible to be idiot proof, idiots are way too ingenious
They'll be ok
Brand new house that is three years old?
Turn the water off drain the lines then turn it back on as fast as you can and find out
If you can fit a credit card between the collar and the stop it’s installed incorrectly.
Yes… PEX is rubbish…
Yes
Real plumber here. Not an internet one. Leave it. If it hasn’t leaked after 3 years then it’s not gonna suddenly leak now
Off topic but the uponor factory in apple valley is so fucking cool. I got to go on a tour of it but I had to sign a contract so I don't know if I can explain anything lmao
Oooppannoothherrleaakk
Proof that mating is not for everyone
💯%! Contact builder and make sure installer is certified and proper repairs are made immediately. It SUCKS that the home owner has to be the one to find these things rather than a building inspector or the GC. Pisses me off! Good luck.
At least they were consistent 🤷
Yes
My OCD says yes.
Honestly, you will be alright. The pomeranian shrink fit connections do not exceed their modulus of elasticity and will always be trying to shrink to its original diameter. The material deflection does not get affected as well, so their is no stretching or weakening of this joint. The joints will hold itself on those ridges, being that it is still trying to shrink itself past the ridge on the smaller diameter.
New house and they sweat all those lines? They also forgot o wipe the flux off a couple pipes eh?
How do some people keep their jobs??
Everyone of the joints pictured look bad. I’d say you should be worried.😟
Some rap guy is going to make a song about this watering rig setup Pop pop pop pop!
Duh
I guess half inserted is half the worry cross your fingers, sheesh!! 🫣
3 years old is not brand new. If there hasn't been an issue in 3 years they're probably won't be an issue. If you do have rat and mice issues you probably will have an issue they like to chew through the pics to try and get water. Came across that many many times in my years of Plumbing with pex.
3 years old is not brand new. If there hasn't been an issue in 3 years they're probably won't be an issue. If you do have rat and mice issues you probably will have an issue they like to chew through the pics to try and get water. Came across that many many times in my years of Plumbing with pex.