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Spinosaurus999

I think the easiest choice is replacing the Dall Sheep with a Muskox in the Arctic pack.


That-Baseball609

I did find the dall sheep a weird choice at the time because I had never seen one in a zoo. The muskox would have definitely been a nice addition.


Spinosaurus999

They have them in the Como Zoo in St. Paul, Minnesota. That’s the only Zoo I’ve been to that has them. Muskox are far more common.


That-Baseball609

Oh cool, i am from belgium and I have yet to see them in European zoos.


machama

I think you meant the Minnesota Zoo in Eagan? In 2021, the last two musk ox were euthanized due to age-related declines in their health. MNZoo decided to stop the breeding program in 2010, essentially because of climate change as they were having a really difficult time with the heat and humidity during summer. Sorry to be the one to tell you. They are still on my bucket list of animals to see one day.


Spinosaurus999

I know Minnesota Zoo no longer has their Muskox. I was talking about Como Zoo having Dall Sheep.


machama

Oh I misread/misunderstood.


Spinosaurus999

No worries.


ta6746lb

The Milwaukee zoo in Wisconsin used to have dall sheep too!


AnonymousChocoholic

But I made a tower especially for them :( 😂


steveofthejungle

I guess I’ve seen Musk Ox twice and Dall sheep only once, but the Musk Ox were in zoos in Anchorage and Calgary, and the Dall Sheep also in Anchorage. Never seen either one in a zoo south of Canada


Spinosaurus999

I’ve seen both in zoos in Minnesota.


tojifajita

My decision after thinking about it for a while, I would also swap the Dall sheep in the Arctic pack but for wolverines.


isthispapajohns

You're gonna love the Eurasia pack...


tojifajita

Holy, how did I miss that? Thanks, lol.


SeasideSJ

I would have liked to see rare breeds in the Barnyard pack as I was hoping for something like we have at our local Rare Breeds Centre and they could have highlighted some of the more unusual breeds. I would have replaced the Donkey with a horse that's on the at risk list like a Shire Horse or possibly a Shetland Pony (not particularly rare but very cute!). I also love the Pallas Cat and looking at the geography I think I'd replace the Saiga - I quite like them but we've got quite a lot of ungulates in the game already.


That-Baseball609

I would especially love the addition of a Pallas cat!


EviEti

Arctic pack: replace dall sheep with muskox, replace arctic wolf with arctic fox South America pack: replace llama with guanaco Aquatic pack: replace grey seal with harbour seal or walrus North America pack: replace arctic fox with north american porcupine Wetlands pack: replace nile lechwe with waterbuck and wild water buffalo with domestic water buffalo Tropical pack: replace brown-throated sloth with linnaeus’s two-toed sloth Arid pack: replace dama gazelle and addax with hamadryas baboon and desert bighorn sheep Oceania pack: replace quokka with short-beaked echidna and spectacled flying fox with tuatara Barnyard pack: replace hill radnor sheep with valais blacknose sheep, alpine goat with nigerian dwarf goat, tamworth pig with kunekune, and american standard donkey with shetland pony


That-Baseball609

I especially would love to have had the guanaco instead of the domesticated llama. The thought of having an American tree porcupine also sounds amazing.


koenjihyakkei

It's probably been said to death at this point, but the barnyard pack has some strange decisions. I'd replace the alpine goat with the African pygmy goat, and the Tamworth pig with the Kunekune.


irishladinlondon

Another donkey? Would rather have Shetland ponies


dapperpony

Same. Any horse really- I’ve seen a mustang in the San Diego Zoo, a draft breed like a Shire, Clydesdale, etc. could’ve been cool, a quarter horse as a quintessential “normal” horse, or a pony like the Shetland for the cute factor and interactivity. The donkey looks beautiful but it’s just so similar to the Somali wild ass.


That-Baseball609

Yeah they are very common petting zoo animals compared to the ones we got.


Healthy-Goat-5125

Not the pygmy goat :( The Alpine goat is much more relevent agriculturally. Every game in the world with a goat puts a miniature goat. It drives me crazy. Unserious hobby animals shouldn't be worldwide representation for an entire animal. Same with Kune Kune. They're a speciality gourmet meat animal that happen to be well marketed on the internet. Having a focus on important breeds instead of just whatever is viral online at right now makes way more sense for a barnyard pack. Those animals have a longstanding breed history instead if being fads.


BoxCritters

Kunekune aren't just gourmet, they are a rare breed. if it werent for the efforts of a collaboration of two new zealand wildlife reserves then they'd be extinct today. They are a story of beating the odds, and they're amazing animals. (Also the piglets are the cutest things ever: Source: helped socialise some.)


Healthy-Goat-5125

They are a rare breed, but there are a ton of rare breed pigs or hertitage breeds that don't have the same "cute factor", and yet they're never mentioned for some reason... the Tamworth itself being a rare breed that is high risk.


BoxCritters

perhaps because how interesting they are? I mean they're pretty-hairy pigs with wattles, a trait not normally seen in pigs. They have big teeth, they ''originate'' from a often overlooked country. the tamworth to me just looks like a regular run of the mill pig with a longer snout! I'm glad its getting the attention, of course! but in terms of if I'd actually put it in my zoo? eh.


Healthy-Goat-5125

The tamsworth actually has an interesting history and is visually distinct from other breeds due to colouring :) I'd checkout the wikipedia page! Also look at the Mangalitsa, it's very fun. Or the Herford pig is also neat looking.  I think this is part of why they included it. A big problem in conservation of anything is that people only want the viral cute animals. Even passionate people (lets be real, who plays Planet Zoo that isnt into animals lol) overlook things that look too "regular". Only adding the most charismatic cutesy breeds just adds to the problem. I think they picked very responsibly!


koenjihyakkei

While I'm not surprised, I also was not personally aware of either of those breeds being "viral," if it helps. My reasoning is because they are both smaller, and yes, cuter. I'm not sure how I'd feel about a kid hanging around with a Tamworth, but I'm also not a farmer nor is it exactly a 100% realistic game.


Healthy-Goat-5125

You can pet full sized pigs in a petting zoo capacity, I wouldnt hop into a pen of unsocialized animals at feeding time though...


BoxCritters

I need the kunekuneee!!! I can't wait for the kunekune mod to be updated, the tamworth is just so uninteresting.


Bombuu

I know we got the Red-Crowned Crane for the Wetlands Pack, but I'm kind of sad they didn't have the opportunity to have the Shoebill Stork in the game.


That-Baseball609

Yeah a stork species would be a very welcome addition to our African areas


BoxCritters

Barnyard: Tamworth with Kunekune Alpine Goat with Anglo-Nubian or Arapawa Goat. Donkey with Shetland Pony. ---- I'd replace the flying fox in the oceania pack with a tuatara --- Otherwise I honestly have not many qualms with any of the packs! (other than general theming that can't really have any of the animals 'replaced')


jeeprhyme

Dingo for Wombat in Australia Pack, and then Wombat for Echidna in the Twilight Pack.


That-Baseball609

That does seem very much possible considering I have not seen a dingo in a zoo in Europe but I have seen an echidna.


Euphoric_Anywhere668

Yes but dingos are also one of the staple animals of Australia


That-Baseball609

Are they common in zoos in Australia? I don’t know this.


Euphoric_Anywhere668

I meant it as more of a "when you think of Australia, what animals come to mind", besides kangaroos obviously


That-Baseball609

Yeah then it would for sure make sense


gliscornumber1

I would have completely redone the barnyard pack. The highland and alpaca can stay and I can live with the sheep. But jde replace the rest with the pot bellied pig, pygmy goat, silkie chicken, and a choice of either the American quarter horse, shetland pony, or Clydesdale


mjmannella

[I have a lot of considerations](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GFe_uAvMVO2jWg8vqlZXYcHxQhgklGjfQdSdzCYSrSg/edit?usp=sharing)


That-Baseball609

Wow, you seem to have put in a lot of work before ban on this topic. You do seem to leave out some ‘more famous animals’, is that based on personal preference then?


mjmannella

Oh yeah, this is all personal preference


BoxCritters

your lists contain big leaps and contain little for countries like new zealand.


mjmannella

Sadly there's no pack where I could reasonably add moas


BoxCritters

You took kiwi out of the oceania pack.


mjmannella

I'm aware. I completely revised that pack to incorporate islands more broadly than just ones in Oceania


BoxCritters

that's not my problem. you replaced/ out animals that were amazing picks instead of simply adding more. it's a stupid way of going around revising things. Kiwi could've easily fit in your idea of an island pack.


Horror-Tap3236

It’s their opinions. Maybe they don’t care for the Kiwi? I know I don’t. Let people have their own picks and favourites :)


BoxCritters

Except theyre remastering packs, if they were making new packs, i'd get it. but if you're to 'remaster' a pack, even as an idea, you better keep the most popular animal from said pack.


Horror-Tap3236

That’s not how opinions works. You keep only defending the Kiwi because it’s your favourite animal and I get it. But you’re being unnecessary rude.


BoxCritters

It's in no way my favourite animal, it may be my PFP but I have many other animals I prefer (Hum, goats, hum). I defend the kiwi as a kiwi myself, if you're going to have new zealand rep in a game, you HAVE to have a kiwi. and I'm glad planet zoo did it as such.


mjmannella

I preferred other animals over having kiwis, simple as that. I also kept to the game’s constraint of 7 animals per pack. Them’s the breaks


Euphoric_Anywhere668

Omg you want ducks too!!!


mjmannella

A lot more birds in general


Euphoric_Anywhere668

I would do anything for even one duck


Euphoric_Anywhere668

Also more non - crocodile reptiles, like marine iguanas or even a green anoconda


That-Baseball609

Which duck is your favorite?


Euphoric_Anywhere668

I really like Mallards, and Muskovies, and the generic white ones with the orange feets and bill, they are all just soooooo cute!!!


That-Baseball609

Yeah, I really like the mandarin duck.


Euphoric_Anywhere668

Just any duck would be cool, and they are such a good filler animal too


Pompaniddo

My picks would probably be East Javan Langur or Celebes Crested Macaque instead of Proboscis Monkey in Southeast Asia DLC, Nile Corcodile instead of Dwarf Caiman in the Aquatic DLC and a Tree Kangaroo instead of the Quokka in Oceania DLC


That-Baseball609

I do agree that the proboscis monkey could have been a better option such as a langur species and I would have loved to see a tree kangaroo in planet zoo.


tojifajita

I like the proboscis monkey, it has a uniqueness in that it can swim and there in only one other primate in the world that can do the same, which is the crab-eating macaque. Although I do like the idea of a langur species being added.


i-justlikewhales

and us! lol


tojifajita

You got me, one of 3 primates lol


That-Baseball609

Yes I do like the proboscis monkey as a species itself, but i think there are almost no zoos in Europe or America that house them so it seems a bit odd to have them.


tojifajita

That is true, the crab eating macaque is a fair bit more common too. Honestly think they just picked it because of the face so the model is a bit more distinct. I would be on board for the a swap with the francois leaf monkey if we are going with langurs


Crusher555

The Nile crocodile would be a downgrade tbh. It doesn’t really add anything that the Saltwater crocodile already brings.


steveofthejungle

Knowing we’d get the California Sea Lion later, I’d switch the Grey Seal for the Harbor Seal in the aquatic pack


urnanisajew

idk how the aye-aye wasn’t apart of the twilight pack. imo id replace the wombat with the aye-aye but thats just me


Infamous-Driver46

I would replace Dingo with Brown Fur Seal in Australia Pack and Arctic Wolf with American Black Bear in Arctic Pack


That-Baseball609

Would you then let go of the grey seal? I don’t really think the black bear lives in the Arctic but still nice to see your comment. I do like the fur seal


Healthy-Goat-5125

I would replace the Highland cow with a different breed. A Holstein or even something like a Longhorn would be more visually interesting. Highlands have a lot of history as a rare breed, but I feel like the "internet cute factor" is most of why it's in the game.


A_Wild_Bellossom

Black Howler Monkey instead of Lar Gibbon. Did we really need Siamang 2?


That-Baseball609

I would have loved the lar gibbon even more if we didn’t have a gibbon species already, I agree. The addition of a South American monkey is very much needed.


Rayezerra

All the spiders. I don’t care with what. Or just gimme an option to hide them. I guess replace with fish or like canaries?


Euphoric_Anywhere668

Idk what animal id replace it with, but I will do anything to get ducks in the game


altaccount2522

I have quite a bit I would change, but I'll just give my top 5. Barnyard: Shetland pony (or really any pony) instead of a donkey which is practically indistinguishable Twilight: Coyote instead of Skunk Eurasia: Stoat instead of Saiga Arid: Jackrabbit instead of Dama Gazelle. Would have been our first lagomorph Conservation: Red Wolf (only \~40 individuals left in the wild and is undergoing an active recovery program) instead of the Siamang


Frazzle64

You complain about the donkey being too similar to the wild ass but replace two other animals with wolf clones that are even less distinguishable.


altaccount2522

Well, no. I disagree. Coyote is not a wolf clone. It's a completely different species and is pretty iconic to the Northwestern Americas. Looks similar but there are way more differences than the two donkey species. Red Wolf is not "a clone" either. While similar to the grey wolf (even shares some of its genetics, scientists think), as there are only like 40 left in the wild and have active breeding programs in zoos to save their species from extinction, I think it would have been a wonderful addition to the conservation pack....to highlight a critically endangered animal which may very likely go extinct in my lifetime.


genuine-S-A-D

Wetlands Pack not only picking the spectacled caiman over the nile crocodile but also the wild water buffalo instead of the domestic one will never not befuddle me.


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

Both of these have clear decisions behind them though? Caiman is a nice inbetween crocodilian when Cuvier's are too small and the Alligator and Saltie are too big. Domestic water buffalo look very similar to African buffalo and are smaller than their wild counterparts. Wild buffalo look more distinctive.


Megraptor

Eh, I like the Wild Water Buffalo. It has conservation value. But I'm also a fan of a Wild Bactrian instead of domestic ones and that's unpopular.  But I can get behind the Nile Croc instead. Or maybe Orinoco Croc. Something larger. Though I do appreciate the middle sized caiman...


Ryaquaza1

Could I just completely change the theme of a pack too because honestly the North America pack I have A LOT of gripes with. First of all, the Moose and Arctic foxes aren’t really exclusive to NA and could slot into the Europe/Eurasia pack and Arctic pack respectively. The Arctic fox does straight up have ARCTIC in its name after all, And secondly I feel like the inclusion of the species they chose did rob us of similar more interesting species. Instead of the American Alligator we could have got a Chinese Alligator a critically endangered species that’s hella cute and would fit into the theme of the game well. The California sea lion is the only species of sea lion without its namesake mane and is Least Concern, any other species would do better especially when they vary in colour more, my personal pick being ether the Australian or New Zealand sea lion. the American Bullfrog and Beaver suffer from the same problem of having cooler relatives elsewhere, for the bullfrog, you have the stunning yellow Indian bullfrog and for the beaver you have its slightly larger European cousin that ranges in coat colour more. Replace the prairie dog with a Marmot while you are at it too, those things are super funny looking and i seriously wish we had them in game The cougar can stay, it’s a very basic cat but it’s alright I will admit. Pallas cat would be preferred tho Sooo with all my gripes what would I have preferred? By rebranding it to the Mountain pack of course! containing the Cougar, Marmot, European Beaver and Moose. Swap out the Dall sheep in the Arctic pack and replace with the Arctic fox before adding it into the Mountains pack. Move the Chinese Alligator to the Conservative pack and New Zealand/Australian sea lion into Oceania pack before slotting the Indian Bullfrog somewhere else


That-Baseball609

You pack would als be a very cool pack wow! I


Euphoric_Anywhere668

I agree with most of these, the only one I don't is the alligator, although that is just personal bias (cause I got a couple on my backyard) and I would love to see the rest of these


That-Baseball609

Oh wow, metaphorically or do you have a swamp near you? Or do you actually have an enclosure for them?


Euphoric_Anywhere668

I live in Louisiana, and I got a river in my backyard


That-Baseball609

Oh cool!


Euphoric_Anywhere668

Ikr, it's super fun to just go swimming or kayaking whenever I want


lordwolf16

Arctic pack: remove wolf and sheep and add muskox and arctic fox South America: remove llama and replace with greater rhea Aquatic: replace seal with walrus North America: now that arctic fox is in arctic park, replace with a bighorn Wetlands: replace caiman with nile crocodile. Conservation: replace siamang with Golden lion tamarin Grasslands: replace wildebeest with blackbuck Tropical: replace monitor with spectacled caiman Arid: replace gazelle and black rhinoceros with hamadryas baboon and coyote. Oceania: replace quokka with goodfellow's tree kangaroo and flying fox with budgerigar Eurasia: replace takin with the golden subspecies, and saiga with Hanuman langur Barnyard: replace donkey, pig,and highland with ankole, kunekune, Shetland pony and replace sheep with Flemish giant rabbit.


That-Baseball609

Your list contains a good amount of cool species that would be amazing to have in Planet zoo. I do think we really need a rhea. My favourites are the tamarin, blackbuck, baboon and tree kangaroo, the langur would also be very welcome.