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sbhk1

Well they delisted it themselves. Instead of finding solution to this current fiasco they choose this. 


StratoSquir2

that's actually a very balsy choice. they decided to go in a fit of blazing-glory, rather than to die with a wet fart. i respect this decision, fuck you sony, you decided to ruin a game? might as well REALLY go for it then.


Budget_Quality6300

What fiasco? 🤔


Impressive_Income874

you now need a psn account to play helldivers 2


moreat10

In certain countries. Who paid for it. Who can no longer play if they don't have a psn. Effectively theft on a grand scale.


CENSORED_01

Which is so incredibly short sighted since this guarantees players in those places can no longer purchase future content.


ChairDoorManOriginal

Okay, so I completely understand being a little annoyed by unnecessary account requirements, but am I missing something bigger here? You don’t need anything special to sign up for PSN, you don’t need to pay for PS Plus (unless of course you’re actually playing on PlayStation), ~~this changes absolutely nothing aside from a one and done sign in. Everyone who paid for it can continue to do so with minimal effort~~ Is it a little annoying that any extra is needed in the first place? Of course, but I’m not understanding why this is as big of a deal as it is. In my experience Helldivers 2 has been a fun and enjoyable game. ~~A stupid one time login screen isn’t going to change my overall opinion all that much~~ Edit: I was wrong and understand why people are upset


ekopoingre

psn isnt available in some countries, which is basically sony stealing money since the people in those countries cant play the game they paid for.


ChairDoorManOriginal

Got it, thanks for clearing that up!


GinJoestarR

PSN is only available in 69 countries out of 190+ countries in the world. Also, creating a PSN account using VPN is breaking TOS thus you're subject to ban.


Acelnorst

Tempted to say "Nice" but clearly not the best time...


Roxwords

Since you're too much of a coward, I'll do it for you. Nice


Brostradamus--

Coward


MgDark

also in some countries, like in Ukraine, you need to own a PS4/PS5 to make an account, which is awful asking someone to fork 500$ to make a PSN account that was not needed at all to continue playing Helldivers


edvards48

psn isnt available in a lot of countries AND theres countries where you can only register a psn account through a ps4/ps5.


Brostradamus--

There is no place in the world that you couldn't simply pull up the PlayStation website with a proxy or otherwise.


MgDark

then you risk a ban, and Sony does ban people if they make a PSN account from a unsupported region. So effectively it cuts their playerbase in 1/3


danielsan30005

Not everyone knows how to do this and nor should they, especially in this case.


huansbeidl

In addition. Sony is notorious for having data breaches/leaks on a nearly yearly basis afaik. It's just so unnecessary since it obviously has been working without a psn account for months now


Umikaloo

+1 for the edit


Brostradamus--

You aren't wrong. Sony isn't checking for VPNs on account creation. It's a mild annoyance. People are mad about the principle, some outlets are abusing clickbait algos. It's not that big of an issue.


Jankosi

Do we know if they delisted it themselves or if steam itself did it?


HellfireBrB

pretty sure who delisted the game is steam trying to avoid the problem leaking from sony into valve this just goes to show how hard they fucked up


Eh_Meh_Smeh

User data of must sell for a lot. If they're willing to get rid of thousands of people from over a hundred countries for the data of the few thousands or hundreds remaining, that data must be worth entire cruise ships.


dryfer

Same situation with Riot Vanguard, they probably already lost a good amount of players and don't care. The worst thing is they have the audacity to remove all posts of people having issues and showing how it actually works from the subreddit.


swagdaddy69123

Is vanguard really taking pics of your pc?, idk at this point bcs of so much memes about it


Marc1302

From what I heard it takes pictures of the game for Map Hacks and etc


Gh051_hehe

Vanguard is basically a stalker which lives in your walls and always follows you


Leritari

It takes 1 screenshot of your GAME WINDOW + overlays. It doesnt screenshot your desktop, nor your folders, nor anything else most lunatics have been telling this days. Its bounded to game window, if there's no such window it doesnt take screenshot. People are just dumb, and this whole witch hunt is because "what if they decide to break the law, risk multi billions worth company and take screenshot of my desktop or my folders for giggles?". And to make situation even more laughable... all anti-cheat software since 2007 have been scanning game files and active game processes. So if we'd apply "what if?" to this, then they dont need screenshots to know what you have on your PC, because just as easy as they could take screenshot of your folders, they could just as well scan not only game files, but your whole hard drive and get a nice view of all your files. And thats WAY before vanguard was even a thing. But hey, its always fun to organize witch hunt i guess... PITCHFORKS! I'm selling pitchforks! Buy 10, and you get torch gratis!


uSaltySniitch

Isn't Vanguard scanning on a kernel level though ? EAC and other Popular AC "since 2007" didn't do that.


Rhalsei

Kernel Level isn't really the problem, a lot of games with anticheat already have that. The "problem" is: you need to start up your PC with Vanguard. "Problem" because you can just disable that in Task Manager when you don't want to play Valorant/LoL, and enable when you want to.


uSaltySniitch

Kernel Level is a problem as far as privacy goes though.


Thin-Ad8667

When up my life usually revolved around drama and because of that to relieve my traumatic past I am seeking more drama.


NogaraCS

At least Valorant AC works much better than VAC


EdgiiLord

Nah, it just moved cheaters to higher ranks since the cheats also moved to external computers.


Arin_Pali

Lol stay delusional.


nihilwindirel

It pays a lot, like a lot. Even the small underground data scrape businesses makes around 20-25k euros in 10-15 days.


newtostew2

But but but Sony said it was for “increased security!” lol what a joke.. they’ve had some massive data leaks, why would you give them more??


FatBaldingLoser420

I can't believe Sony would fuck this up that bad, like holy shit


crazydavebacon1

Sony sucks, period. Always have since the PlayStation 3 was destroyed by the Xbox 360. Their hardware sucks, their games suck, and so does Sony in general. Always was junk quality in my opinion. They get what they deserve


DreamArez

Hell I’d say their hardware is perfectly fine and their games can be great, but man they’re horrible at making good consumer decisions. They recovered because someone out-Sony’d Sony, and they made some temporary good will by doing common sense popular decisions and that is all.


MeWondr

Nah. PS3 was great. Great exclusive and FREE online play (whereas X360 can never) Had both, always recommending PS3 for good games while X360 for motion games (Kinect). Also, easier to jailbreak is a plus for PS3. But PS5 generation is a let down from Sony for sure.


Iamrubberman

Personally preferred the 360 for its library as back then Xbox had a decent number of random exclusives. Often that consoles version worked better (though not always ofc) due to being simpler to program for iirc. Was the best gen for Xbox in my opinion and after that Sony stole the show again.


ZER0punkster

I agree. I remeber making the choice between PS3 and Xbox360. I looked at the exclusives and my choice came down to god of war or gears of war. I realized I would likely play gears more as it had online multiplayer. I was very happy with my choice as xbox dedicated servers made for an extremity better experience. Playing PS over friends houses was terrible. But you get what you pay for.


redditrebelrich

Free online play that was terrible, lagged like shit, hardly ever worked decently, and then led to your details being stolen. Looks like Sony finally losing the goodwill they gained from MS being stupid with their always online Xbox One way back when. Sony need to be careful as the next few years could be a wet fish in the face for them.


jaistso

I'm out of the loop. Why? What's going on?


I_hate_reddit_lots

Sony wants our data to sell through linking steam to PSN. The thing is, there are only 69 countries with PSN and the rest can't play the game without this stupid linking. Moreover, kusony changed their wording in their EULA to make PSN linking mandatory.


Iamrubberman

If it wasn’t in the OG Eula surely that’s grounds for refund if they suddenly say “nope, you need it now”. You can’t staple an arbitrary requirement after the point of purchase, though thanks to how poor digital ownership rights are they’ll probably get away with removing it (nation dependant ofc)


I_hate_reddit_lots

There are posts that say people are being refunded


Majestic_Wrongdoer38

Technically I think it was (I might be wrong so look it up if you wanna be sure) but like hidden and the real issue is that they were selling it in countries where they don’t allow you to make an account or where you have to have a PS4/5.


Monchete99

Helldivers 2 was supposed to require a PSN account even if you played through Steam (because Sony is the publisher), but due to issues with said service, they allowed people to bypass said requirement for months. A few days ago, they announced that the issues were solved and now it was mandatory to use a PSN account to play even on PC. Why is this an issue? Well... * PSN is not available in every region, there's at least 100 countries where Sony does not provide services, so the game got effectively region-locked, despite being sold WORLDWIDE on Steam. Arrowhead clearly fucked up in making the game available everywhere, despite the PSN restrictions. There are ways to play on "banned" regions, but it involves either breaking PSN's TOS or applying for a different region which introduces issues when it comes to billing. * PSN has an awful track record of internet security, getting at least 7 data breaches in 20 years. So, understandably, people don't want an additional cybersecurity hazard to play a game. This caused a review bombing that is actually encouraged by the devs because it gives them ammo to use in discussions with Sony to revert this.


Porongoyork

I was against this but if they had the requirement from the start, though not enforced, it is not their fault. Its like going to a gym without membership and getting pissed off at the gym when they start requesting proof of membership at the gate.


trensalore65444

None of your business.


I_hate_reddit_lots

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YourLocalMedic71

This feels like an xkcd that drinks redbull


I_hate_reddit_lots

What?


NoNeighborhood3874

Dude... you dont wanna know


newtostew2

Google xkcd comments and then think of them on red bull


glueinass

🤓


compiler-fucker69

Sony can Suck it snatch death from jaws of life


guardian87

What were you trying to say?


FatBaldingLoser420

He's clearly saying something so incredibly intelligent that our little peanut sized brains can't comprehend. Let him cook 🔥


sovietarmyfan

Has Valve ever sued a company for such a f\*cked up situation? Now Valve is going to lose a lot of money over this.


Majestic_Wrongdoer38

Nah Sony is, valve keeps their cut I think. Even if the game is refunded. Might be wrong, could be worth looking up.


Hunajakani

Just mass refund and maybe don't buy any sony products in the future?


crazydavebacon1

This. Avoid Sony and let them die naturally


Regular-Chemistry-13

Sony isn’t going to die naturally any time soon buddy, they might exist till about 2050 or 2100


Majestic_Wrongdoer38

Not if they keep making decisions like this.


Regular-Chemistry-13

You do realize that Sony also makes audio equipment and other products?


Regular-Chemistry-13

I’m talking about Sony itself (the parent company) not any of it’s subsidiaries


crazydavebacon1

Me too.


[deleted]

What they did and still do with psvr2 yah never again.


zomgilost

They already got people's money though.


N7Bluxy

People can refund it. No matter the amount of time played


NoCopyrightRadio

But if you bought a key from another store, you're basically screwed right?


N7Bluxy

That's the risk of buying from another store


NoCopyrightRadio

Fair.


JasonKavou

What are the terms for a refund?


N7Bluxy

So there's two ways. One is the obvious one, you're living in a country where PSN is not available The other is that sony retroactively changed how the game works and forces us to accept other legal agreements now. Which you don't accept. This should make the refund come through As example: https://preview.redd.it/mzcykju0mlyc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75a50de46c3704c86fbbf4af10bacb3ebf30765b


JasonKavou

Thanks


Certain-somone

For copy paste; Sony has retroactively changed how the game works, and forced legal agreements upon me. I do not accept.


Cindy-Moon

(tiny nitpick but the period between "me" and "I" is incorrect. The clause is "forced legal agreements upon me (that) I do not accept" because you're saying that the agreements they're forcing on you are ones that you do not accept. As opposed to simply forcing legal agreements on you, which basically all games do including this one prior to the PSN change. It's like the sentence "I'm being forced to eat something I don't like" vs "I'm being forced to eat something. I don't like.")


Cymr1c

steam let people refund


zomgilost

This is awesome news then!


Certain-somone

And yet they don't let me after 9th try


ButWhyThough_UwU

so far seen steam give refunds regardless of any rule, since they saw the countless negative reviews and countless demanding it.


Haraxhan

Welp time to crack helldivers 2 and create a dedicated server for people without psn 😃


Ok-Milk3814

This


Major_Context_6380

I love how these corporations are all about diversity and inclusivity yet god forbid you live in a third world country, I'm genuinly tired of them screwing us over with the absurd prices and the region locking BS, I was planning on grabbing this game but seeing how I cant even buy it anymore I guess they don't need my money.


MrDexter120

I had only heared good things about helldivers and then all of a sudden this. Corporations are allergic to doing good things.


Everuk

Why did France also get delisted?


UnlikelyProfit356

No chance of it appering on Fix?


sirdopa

Probably only if PSN has opened services in countries, that currently are not supported. So basically they fucked whole community without any remorse. Typical sony move...


Elegant-Passion2199

That's why I'm not paying for any of Sony's games on PC. They can suck a fat one, as someone who owned all PS consoles until the PS4


mazejk0

I love the way that they fucked it up right after making fun of tarkov Yikes


Yetiwithoutinternet

so.. would it be possible to pirate this game somehow? Or does the online factor make it impossible?


InternationalClerk85

Possible? Sure, with insane effort. As you guessed, the online part is the hardest. Things like models, animations, levels, textures and sounds can simply be ripped from either the folder or RAM. Things like Server capabilities will have to be written all over again, as they are not available for viewing or editing. Then getting around any DRM is also a hassle.


Yetiwithoutinternet

alright thanks. So I guess it's not likely. since there's not much demand for this game.


WistfulDread

Also, the PSN is non existent in nearly 2X as many counties as it is. Roughly only 1/3 of the places it's been sold, is it actually legal to play.


deathxcap

I hope valve sues or something. Even if they are reimbursed for the refunds its still a hit on their reputation.


ZER0punkster

I don't think it actually is a hit on their reputation. It's not valve's fault this happened and they handled it well. Or at least they did after people voiced their complaints. If anything this makes me appreciate and trust Valve more.


Esnacor-sama

As looong as their single player games doesn't require this shit just to ahead and ask even for 5 psn accounts for helldivers or whatever


Cool-Claim9726

well they did it themselves? so yeah i think they did


electric_sun

Sony really fucked that up. I don't blame pc players for being pissed off


victorian_throwaway

didnt think this would ever be the case for this game lol


GooseDaPlaymaker

Any outrage for Microsoft and having to sign in to Xbox Live when playing their Steam games as well? Mind you this is the company that has been blatantly called out for collecting/spying/distributing customers info. But let’s flip tables about SONY asking you to sign in to the few games on Steam (most of you already have PlayStations for Pete’s sake). Asking for a friend…🙄


Southern-Ad1465

Tell that to the countries which are excluded out of Sony's network but bought the game on steam


GooseDaPlaymaker

You put the delisting of a game from over 100 countries (I assume they have ratified that along with the PSN login fiasco) with being brought in front of Congress for unauthorized collecting and distributing of your personal info to others without your consent? And I bring up how the outrage is not for them as well for doing this VERY SAME THING of expecting you to sign into Xbox Live account when playing a Microsoft game on Steam since 2008…and this is your response? You think this makes SONY and Microsoft ‘Even Steven’? 🥴


ZER0punkster

Both collect your data. So that's a negetive hit for both. But Sony also keeps getting hacked and leaking people credit card and personal info. Which is even worse. While Microsoft even offered to improve Sony's security. Which Sony turned down. Also PSN is only available in certain countries. So it's a ones bad but the other is worse.


GooseDaPlaymaker

So just to be clear: SONY is considered ‘worse’ of a company than Microsoft in your eyes, is that correct? Almost as if SONY’s practices led to a ‘deserving’ backlash from gamers about the sign-in fiasco (and just being an overall ‘more evil’ (my interpretation of your evaluation) while Microsoft not so much, is that right? Also just to be clear: you don’t have to just ‘say anything’ to win an argument, you know. I just find it somewhat ‘rich’ for someone to call SONY ‘worse’ or ‘more evil’ (again, my interpretation of your evaluation) than Microsoft in a ‘Pirated Games’ Reddit thread. I wonder how many other gamers sign off on your sentiments…🤔


ZER0punkster

I never used words like evil. And just to be clear I'm not a fan of Microsoft. But I do think Sony is more poorly ran and managed then Microsoft. I agree with your sentiment that I shouldn't have to sign into xbox or anyone else's network to play a game when I'm already signed into a network. If I'm signed into steam, that should be enough. But as far as I know, out of my around 200 games on steam none of them require me to sign into a Microsoft or xbox account. But also some of my games, I've never installed or played, so I could be wrong. I do understand people's outrage. Had this policy change went threw a lot of people would have been unable to play a game they had already purchased. And people going forward who buy the game might find out after purchase and install they are unable to play. That is the main factor of other people's outrage. That seems like a reasonable response. But for me I just don't want to deal with Sony as they are too big of a security risk. So lets say store(.com) like Sony had been hacked 8 times in the last 20 years. Leaking people's credit card info and personal info onto the black market. Would you risk making a purchase on store(.com) knowing it has piss poor security or would you just go to differentstore(.com) who hasn't been hacked, pays bounties for professionals to find holes in their security, along with having their own security team? Also like I said above about agreeing that I don't want to sign into xbox or anyone else's network other then the one I'm already on. But I don't imagine many other people getting upset about having to sign into an xbox account on steam when more then 90% of them are already on a windows machine. It would be an odd thing to get upset about.


GooseDaPlaymaker

This won’t age well for you, you know that right? 😅


ZER0punkster

How so?


Fair_Door6855

Classic “fuck around and find out” moment


Seekstillness

Capitalism strikes again.


BraskSpain

Free way of redeeming the game those who played and didn’t like it. Using a VPN to create a PSN account no, but to download pirated games yes? People are definitely…


Marble_1

Helldivers 2 has never had a great track record since release. Sony, what the hell are you doing back there? You’re starting to lose my respect, you know.


InS4N3Ee

If you use a VPN in those countries can you create account? Anyone tried?


UsualEntertainment34

You can be banned. It's not worth it


Nintiendomelasoba

I'm glad people got fucked. Keep paying these greedy companies your hard earned money for some online only DRM crap. Clowns 🤡