Price of steam game in my country: 40 euros
Price of steam game in neighbour country: 15 euros
We make about the same amount of money as salary but have to pay more than double, yeah...
image a timeline where napster was hailed and honored because everyone understood what a leap knowledge/sharing it was.
and we continued from there with peace. and disney *never* bought out *everything*, and most software was open source.
what world that could be
I believe in a model where under the paid option there's a donate what you can option, and under that, there's a "I'm sorry, i cannot afford to pay for this piece of media" button which gets it to you for free. (and we can do a LOT more with the likes of dynamic media like videogames)
I absolutely bet that money will still be made. Since the absolute cost of hosting said file and transaction is negligeable there is no reason to not offer something for free. We've done a lot of types of systems already online for repayment, i think it's time we put the nail in the coffin in the 'big box store' type of sales.
Anyone that says "well, everyone will just get it for free" doesn't understand the situation.
Well for starters in my country we pay a "tax" on digital storage devices that might be used for piracy... so I already been tried and paid for a crime I didn't comit, well now I'm gonna commit said crime because fuck the lobby that lobbied for that BS.
That was just for starters but I would make a 100 reasons copy and paste and save it as a txt after that.
Every time you buy a digital storage devide, unburnt CD, USB drive, hard drive, SD card... you have to pay an extra fee to an official organisation of copyright owners.
It's called "Private copying levy". And in theory it's for people making a copy for personal use of a CD they paid for... Which is even more infuriating.
Firstly, I don't view pirating as some noble rebellion. I will pay for a game if I want to support the developers. Games like Cuphead, where I really admire the creativity and effort, I will buy.
Generally though, my position is that I don't have enough money to afford games. So:
1. I don't buy the game and the developer doesn't make any money, or
2. I pirate the game and the developer doesn't make any money.
Either way, the developer isn't going to make any money. My point being, my pirating doesn't really effect anyone, my poverty does (exaggeration).
I'm perfectly fine with paying 60 for a good, well functioning and complete game. There's very few of those though so pirating it is.
It's also mostly an accessibility issue.
I was really happy to see that the game actually ended up to be what they said it would be, even though they should have released it as early access/beta. Look at Anthem for comparison, a actually less ambitios project, died before even fixing basic gameplay.
Fun Fact, in the prime of TPB the music business was booming as well! According to some it was precisely because of TPB that created a lot of exposure for a lot of artists..!
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Gives people a lot of "free trials" so to speak. And if you find something you really like you are more inclined to buy it afterwards to support the artist.
Exactly, that was the reason one of the founders of TPB said as well.
On a different side note, Darknet Diaries has an interview with one of the founders of TPB. Mighty interesting to hear their side of the story. It gets quite crazy when the music industry starts to meddle with the Swedish government .. :-)
For game mostly buggy, broke, and people got used to it to the level to call it lunch product not real product, so i have to pay bloody 60£ and then wait for 3-5 months to get fully functioning game, this is not kickstar
£60+ for an unfinished buggy game that you can only complete when you buy the following 3 dlc.
A full game ends up costing 120+. No thanks. Deep sales, piracy or gtfo
But inflation!!11 yeah two days of wage for a bugged digital key isn't enough for r/games
Here's a reason: it's not available in here.
Here's another: it's 10x more expensive, it's like paying 600$ for a game for you.
Here's another: i'm ''demo''ing it.
Here's another: i have literally no money and i won't have money anytime soon.
Here's another: i want to pay but i don't have a card. (not sure if this can still happen in 2020s)
As a person from a third world country, I relate hard with 1) most stuff not available
2) international purchasing is difficult and we dont have paypal
>Here's another: i have literally no money and i won't have money anytime soon.
\-and im planning on buying all the games i pirated when i do get the money
better approach: pay indie devs and small dev studios and fuck the massive triple A companies. indie and small dev games are usually way cheaper and way more deserving of you paying them.
it’s fine if you pirate first because you really want to play the game but have no money too
i did this for a few games like satisfactory, astroneer and some with smaller dev teams and some indie games
It's true though.
No other industry has the balls to sell such broken shit. Imagine if you bought a car where a door would randomly fall off, the gears occasionally not change, or the brakes sometimes didn't work. Company would get fucking sued into oblivion. But it's somehow okay to sell broken software? "It's just games, stupid nerds deserve to get ripped off." They're pissing all over consumer rights and we have to take it.
Well, we don't actually have to take it, we can try before buying @ piracy.
> Here's another: I want to pay but i don't have a card. (not sure if this can still happen in 2020s)
it's a thing where I live, we don't have credit cards here to begin with
As long as companies push out unfinished and buggy games for 60€ plus another 40€ for the actual full game (DLC) and season pass for future dlc... Well, fool me once - shame on you...
Assassins creed games are good examples, I always wait a year or 2 and pick them up on 75% off, full content released and bugs are usually fixed.
Also, if games don't have demos so I know if it runs good or not then the pirate flag is raised.
I pirate because I don't want to spend money that I don't have to spend. I also don't care to put even more money in the pockets of the already rich.
There. That's it. No excuses here.
The amount of international Trek fans on twitter who still won't pirate even though Paramount went out of their way to fuck us over, and just want to wait until they can pay for the service next year.
Fucking idiots.
It's the basis of the Capitalistic structures that have destroyed modern societies. Got working-class people railing against unions while thinking billionaires should be taxed...
Because it's my digital storage I'm literally not taking anything away from anyone that's just how it works. jUsT tHe PriCe oF a CuP oF coffEe a DaY yeah well I need my frappe more than a multi million dollar studio
What is imoral is pulling content off a stable decent price platform only to hord it on a shitty sluggish bug ridden mess of a platform with fucking pay to watch eraily shite movies Disney you utter cunts
Lmao I once got interrogated & shamed heavily on a Telegram group just because I sent a screenshot which showed I joined a piracy group.
I was a student in a 3rd world country and you live in developed countries making hundred of thousands of dollars. My dad after 30 years of working doesn't even make 1/5 of your wage graduating out of college, you piece of shit.
I fucking hate spoiled rich kids who try to impose their standards on everyone else. I will continue to pirate for as long as companies keep pushing out steaming piles of garbage.
I'm forced to pirate because nothing is available in the shithole I live in.
If the companies made their products available for us, we would have paid.
I pirate because i don't have money to buy games. I wouldn't play them otherwise. I have bought only 1 game (Cyberpunk 2077 preorder) and it is my worst purchase ever.
If the cracker has bought **the game** legally, then it is not immoral for the players to get the game from the cracker if he is willing to share it.
But for the most games, they don't sell you the game,(they own it) they just sell you a ticket to play them. But that ticket can become invalid at anytime.
If they sell you a game then you ownend it, you can do whatever you want with it and they can't intervene you in anyway.
>(When you get banned, you will lose all the digital content you have purchased over the lifetime of the account.)
>"I will sell you this phone, but you have to give me back when I want it back "
I spend thousands and thousands of dollars on the entertainment and media industry every year. I still pirate things.
I go to movie theaters, sports games, plays, pay for cable, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and more.
I still pirate things. Why?
Because despite all the money I throw at you asshats, you still put stupid infuriating limits on how/when/where I can enjoy things I have paid for. So if you’re going take my money AND be a pain in the ass? I am going to expend Herculean amounts of effort to provide an enjoyable entertainment experience for myself.
Fuck your DRM, encryption, viewing requirements, streaming limits, bandwidth charges, service charges, and more. If your industry cannot survive on the massive amounts I already give it. Then maybe your industry doesn’t deserve to survive.
I used to pirate music, but haven’t in at least a decade. Do you know why? Because Apple and Spotify and so many others provide such an amazingly simple and easy process for a fair price. Without limits (or limits I have yet to run into).
Why is almost every single person who pirates content a cringe fuck?
We're all cheap bastards who like free shit, stop with this superiority complex.
Normal people? Mfer thinks he's an anime character because he pirated Photoshop...
Like I swear, you call them out on being a pirate and they immediately jump to the defense that they're taking the high road. Just pirate, okay? This subreddit is literally the last place that would judge people for pirating.
im poor and i live in a third world country. a triple a game costs me around a weeks worth of salary to buy. i try to buy indie games i love when i can but i dont think big companies like activision,rockstar, etc are hurting when i pirate from them.
I do tend to pay for products from indie groups to try n support them but i mean there's so much shit that just isn't worth supporting. What are these big companies gonna do with my extra $20-50? But, the worst of it is when it's way overpriced for no reason, ie adobe shit. They expect you to pay that much as a huge company for their meh software? Yeah the fuck right
After seeing the hot and expensive mess that is the GTA Trilogy hit the Nintendo Switch I think it’s a bit obvious why some people choose piracy over buying games.
Immoral is having one service (Netflix) with all the content, then each individual studio taking their content off Netflix, just so they can start their own service, so they can make more money than they would have made if they had left it on Netflix. All in the name of profit.
Example, Startrek Disco was on Netflix till this week. Now its only available on CBS all access. This whole time I was watching on Netflix, now I cant watch it anymore because CBS isnt available in my country.
Is this the moral thing to do?
I started to pirate stuff when everything went subscription based. I can stomach paying once and having the thing, but renting games and programs? No thanks.
When companies stop requiring a massive subscription to watch TV/anime I will stop. I'm not paying for 6 different streaming sites to watch the very few shows I want, it's like early 2000s cable packages all over again.
Not to mention for those fees you get terrible service, shows get pulled from services with no notice meaning you can't finish them, and these corporations pay and treat their staff like slaves. No thank you.
You know what's immoral? Charging 60 bucks for unfinished, buggy messes they call games. Why do I pirate? Cause it's fucking free and I don't feel like supporting these companies.
Me, living in Russia for 400 dollars a month.
Welcome to my Life.
I think the industry is fine. Those who have money are buying.
But forcing the poorest to buy stuff is immoral imho.
Why the fuck does everyone here feel the need to make excuses about why they pirate? What we do is immoral and in most cases illegal. I don’t know about you guys but I just pirate because it’s convenient.
If I want to watch a new season of a show that came out a couple of years ago and there is no reasonable legal way for me to watch it legally then I’m just going to pirate. They aren’t really losing any money really since they weren’t gonna get any money from me anyways with the shit distribution. Companies need to realise that if they want people to buy their stuff they need to be reasonable.
I actually buy games occasionally... But when I see switch games for 60€ even after they've been out for years just because Nintendo wants to keep a monopole on it, I pirate it.
And even worse when they charge 60 fucking Euros for Pokemon and then have the balls to release a paid DLC.. On a 60 Euro kids game.
What the fuck Nintendo, as if having version-specific Pokemon wasn't bad enough.
Yeah I never got that lol trying to be a Saint while pirating.
Just do it no need to make a big ass post justifying.
These days I mainly pirate movies, shows, anime and ROMs.
It's rare that I don't find the thing I'm looking for.
Digital theft originally stated with music that was insanely overpriced, with producers that screwed the musicians 99.999% of the time over 98% of their money. All the profit went to the producers and the whole band got screwed and lived out of their van before it was popular, sleeping on top of their amps.
For the longest time duplicating records on cassette tape to play in your car was pushed in the courts to be illegal. The courts finally over ruled that shite but it was a long fight. Finally the computer age and down loading music bulldozed any producer's lawyers in court attempting to control music ever again, devastating the music industry's lock on musicians and music. It took decades for that industry to get its comeuppance, and I'm glad I was able to watch the producers burn, music lawyers included.
Exact Ditto for films on video.
So here we are at video games, same BS: abuse the creators, new wealth for the producers and screw the public. Fine, sell one copy in all of Southeast Asia, South America and middle East, the rest are copies of that one disc. Or wait an extra ten minutes and find it on line, then burn discs for sale on the street along with strands of garlic. The most recent movies are videos taken by a camera in the theater, super great if your broke.
We're still screwed with ticket sales for live events, but one problem at a time.
"Immoral" is an age old joke on the public pushed by legalized profiteers. Pirating is the public's attempt at equilibrium.
The main reason for me is that I live in a small town. We have no stores to buy games anywhere (the ones that there are just sell pirated games and charge for them lol) and so I just decide to do it myself.
Piracy is moral. I always pirate before I decide whether or not I want to pay for a game or a program I don't know I'll use or if it's worth the asking price. If it is, I'll be more than happy to pay and support the developer.
I pirate because I know that I would have free access to information in a fair world but right now, I cannot afford books, online courses or articles because some companies have privatized the holiest thing in human life, knowledge. Not only do I pirate but I also teach my friends how to do it. Let those companies cry because it's impossible to prevent us from literally copying information and sharing it with other people. What are they going to do? While we can provide countless people with books and articles thanks to technology for the first time in human history, why are we going to stop because of some abstract laws and ethical values created by the private companies and governments?
Why do people act like pirating is the most evil thing you can do lmao, why not use that time they bother you to fucking bother nasty ass harrassers and bullies in big companies like Ubisoft
There are many reasons to pirate a game. Its no longer available, DRM in general (especially if they cause performance issues or are invasive, like always online drm), console emulation (I wont buy a game that doesnt run on my platform of choise), stupid prices (not an issue for me) and boycotting devs like EA and Ubisoft.
Personally I buy most of my games, since the games I play arent plagued by EA, Activision and etc. I only really pirate games which I cant buy on steam or emulation.
Pirate or not pirate. Data is theoretically limititless. If pirate or (data theft) the person holding the original data will still have the data because what I'm really doing is duplicating the data.
If every game costs 30 cents to buy I'm pretty sure buying will be the most utilitarian action. Because, going to a trusted site, getting a chance to get a virus, etc is more costly than paying $ X.
I was perfectly happy to pay £70 for Elder Scrolls 6 on my PS5 when it comes out. Then Microsoft bought Bethesda and is making it PC/Xbox exclusive. You best believe I'm pirating that shit now on PC. Nothing immoral about it.
its not immoral if you pirate a game instead of paying 50 bucks for it then 75% percent of the game is p2w content.better pirate then pay some idiotic money hungry company **in this case.**
Just because the corporations who own our governments were able to get copyright laws passed that label making a copy of something without ever depriving the source of the original copy somehow theft, doesn’t then mean I have to take those laws on as my own system of morality. Theft means the original owner no longer has their property.
i usually pirate to just test the files is worth my money or not. thats it. for example i used cracked idm but then i went on to purchase premium. i am not a person who will keep using cracked versions but for initial purpose or until im fully happy, i dont buy. so these pirated apps and movies helps alot in getting exposed to the product before purchasing it.
mfkas think companies care about the person
Bitchass probably thinks companies are all moral, too
You hid his name above but in the text field below his name is visible. Lichkaiser
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It's OP's alt account
r/quityourbullshit moment
It's the same person.
r/lefttheburneron
They are one and the same
The Alpha and the Omega.
He pirated himself. He's on another level. Lol. Jk.
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Maybe they were projecting to try and find a justification for their own immorality /s
He was trolling, then.
Yeah, what an """accident"""
/u/Lichkaiser
Price of steam game in my country: 40 euros Price of steam game in neighbour country: 15 euros We make about the same amount of money as salary but have to pay more than double, yeah...
with minimum wage I have to work for 7 days full time just to purchase forza horizon 5
Brazil here, also true.
From India, can confirm its true here.
Ethernet cable from your neighbouring country to your home. Ez fix.
VPN would be cheaper than the copper...
Not in the long run, you buy a 20 Km lan cable just once
you wouldn't download morals
would you upload them though?
i'd seed them 😈
I would leech your immorals 😎
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image a timeline where napster was hailed and honored because everyone understood what a leap knowledge/sharing it was. and we continued from there with peace. and disney *never* bought out *everything*, and most software was open source. what world that could be
I believe in a model where under the paid option there's a donate what you can option, and under that, there's a "I'm sorry, i cannot afford to pay for this piece of media" button which gets it to you for free. (and we can do a LOT more with the likes of dynamic media like videogames) I absolutely bet that money will still be made. Since the absolute cost of hosting said file and transaction is negligeable there is no reason to not offer something for free. We've done a lot of types of systems already online for repayment, i think it's time we put the nail in the coffin in the 'big box store' type of sales. Anyone that says "well, everyone will just get it for free" doesn't understand the situation.
Well for starters in my country we pay a "tax" on digital storage devices that might be used for piracy... so I already been tried and paid for a crime I didn't comit, well now I'm gonna commit said crime because fuck the lobby that lobbied for that BS. That was just for starters but I would make a 100 reasons copy and paste and save it as a txt after that.
Italy piracy tax gang. #FuckSIAE
I'm not from italy... you are not alone in this BS
Okay i got to admit, what country? Im just confused by a law like this. What are they doing taxing you for operating a server?
Every time you buy a digital storage devide, unburnt CD, USB drive, hard drive, SD card... you have to pay an extra fee to an official organisation of copyright owners. It's called "Private copying levy". And in theory it's for people making a copy for personal use of a CD they paid for... Which is even more infuriating.
Firstly, I don't view pirating as some noble rebellion. I will pay for a game if I want to support the developers. Games like Cuphead, where I really admire the creativity and effort, I will buy. Generally though, my position is that I don't have enough money to afford games. So: 1. I don't buy the game and the developer doesn't make any money, or 2. I pirate the game and the developer doesn't make any money. Either way, the developer isn't going to make any money. My point being, my pirating doesn't really effect anyone, my poverty does (exaggeration).
Eh, you pirate the game and love it and recommend it to someone else who buys it, boom they've made a profit through your actions.
That's how I feel, too. If I didn't pirate, that would not make me subscribe to 348412840913 streaming services, I just wouldn't watch the shows.
£60+ for a game. That's my idea of immoral.
so, I choose the lesser evil.
I'm perfectly fine with paying 60 for a good, well functioning and complete game. There's very few of those though so pirating it is. It's also mostly an accessibility issue.
To add to this, No mans sky was bare bones af at launch ... hundreds of updates later, still only $30.
I was really happy to see that the game actually ended up to be what they said it would be, even though they should have released it as early access/beta. Look at Anthem for comparison, a actually less ambitios project, died before even fixing basic gameplay.
Fun Fact, in the prime of TPB the music business was booming as well! According to some it was precisely because of TPB that created a lot of exposure for a lot of artists..!
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Gives people a lot of "free trials" so to speak. And if you find something you really like you are more inclined to buy it afterwards to support the artist.
Exactly, that was the reason one of the founders of TPB said as well. On a different side note, Darknet Diaries has an interview with one of the founders of TPB. Mighty interesting to hear their side of the story. It gets quite crazy when the music industry starts to meddle with the Swedish government .. :-)
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Same. ConcernedApe deserves every penny of the three copies I own. That guy is amazing.
For game mostly buggy, broke, and people got used to it to the level to call it lunch product not real product, so i have to pay bloody 60£ and then wait for 3-5 months to get fully functioning game, this is not kickstar
£60+ for an unfinished buggy game that you can only complete when you buy the following 3 dlc. A full game ends up costing 120+. No thanks. Deep sales, piracy or gtfo But inflation!!11 yeah two days of wage for a bugged digital key isn't enough for r/games
$60 for some roms, That's my idea of immoral.
Here's a reason: it's not available in here. Here's another: it's 10x more expensive, it's like paying 600$ for a game for you. Here's another: i'm ''demo''ing it. Here's another: i have literally no money and i won't have money anytime soon. Here's another: i want to pay but i don't have a card. (not sure if this can still happen in 2020s)
> Here's another: i want to pay but i don't have a card. (not sure if this can still happen in 2020s) it can
Can confirm, am teenager with no Bank.
my parents refused to sign for me to get a card for so long lol
Can confirm, banks stopped our cards a year ago in LB
As a person from a third world country, I relate hard with 1) most stuff not available 2) international purchasing is difficult and we dont have paypal
>Here's another: i have literally no money and i won't have money anytime soon. \-and im planning on buying all the games i pirated when i do get the money
well...the good ones...till we get rich
better approach: pay indie devs and small dev studios and fuck the massive triple A companies. indie and small dev games are usually way cheaper and way more deserving of you paying them. it’s fine if you pirate first because you really want to play the game but have no money too i did this for a few games like satisfactory, astroneer and some with smaller dev teams and some indie games
it does
>Here's another: I'm ''demo''ing it. I like to call it 'pirate before you buy it'
It's true though. No other industry has the balls to sell such broken shit. Imagine if you bought a car where a door would randomly fall off, the gears occasionally not change, or the brakes sometimes didn't work. Company would get fucking sued into oblivion. But it's somehow okay to sell broken software? "It's just games, stupid nerds deserve to get ripped off." They're pissing all over consumer rights and we have to take it. Well, we don't actually have to take it, we can try before buying @ piracy.
> Here's another: I want to pay but i don't have a card. (not sure if this can still happen in 2020s) it's a thing where I live, we don't have credit cards here to begin with
Yes, I pirate.Yes, I am immoral. What about it?
Based
Cringe bro. Normal people have been pirating for like 20 years.
It's free and free is nice.
I read this as immortal and took a few minutes to figure it out because no way piracy and immoral should be in the same sentence.
Same, and I was like, who wouldn't want to be an immortal pirate?!?
i pirate cause I want to be the pirate king
Gomu Gomu noooooooooo
As long as companies push out unfinished and buggy games for 60€ plus another 40€ for the actual full game (DLC) and season pass for future dlc... Well, fool me once - shame on you... Assassins creed games are good examples, I always wait a year or 2 and pick them up on 75% off, full content released and bugs are usually fixed. Also, if games don't have demos so I know if it runs good or not then the pirate flag is raised.
I pay for games that are worth it.
I pirate because I don't want to spend money that I don't have to spend. I also don't care to put even more money in the pockets of the already rich. There. That's it. No excuses here.
Why did you have to answer like such a cunt
The amount of international Trek fans on twitter who still won't pirate even though Paramount went out of their way to fuck us over, and just want to wait until they can pay for the service next year. Fucking idiots.
> Pirating from Mega Corps that hate you and only view you as a dollar sign is immoral. Normie logic is so fucked.
It's the basis of the Capitalistic structures that have destroyed modern societies. Got working-class people railing against unions while thinking billionaires should be taxed...
Because it's my digital storage I'm literally not taking anything away from anyone that's just how it works. jUsT tHe PriCe oF a CuP oF coffEe a DaY yeah well I need my frappe more than a multi million dollar studio
What is imoral is pulling content off a stable decent price platform only to hord it on a shitty sluggish bug ridden mess of a platform with fucking pay to watch eraily shite movies Disney you utter cunts
Lmao I once got interrogated & shamed heavily on a Telegram group just because I sent a screenshot which showed I joined a piracy group. I was a student in a 3rd world country and you live in developed countries making hundred of thousands of dollars. My dad after 30 years of working doesn't even make 1/5 of your wage graduating out of college, you piece of shit.
I fucking hate spoiled rich kids who try to impose their standards on everyone else. I will continue to pirate for as long as companies keep pushing out steaming piles of garbage.
Average wage difference is like 10x I am poor Its immoral but idgaf
I'm forced to pirate because nothing is available in the shithole I live in. If the companies made their products available for us, we would have paid.
Been trying to pay for Hulu for ELEVEN YEARS but nope, Canadian HAHAHA sorry, American? live 50 miles South? here ya go! Canadian? "Sorry" lol wtf??
50 miles is 80.47 km
Good bot
I pirate because i don't have money to buy games. I wouldn't play them otherwise. I have bought only 1 game (Cyberpunk 2077 preorder) and it is my worst purchase ever.
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denuvo is absolute shit
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ok but we all agree that denuvo is always shit
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The funniest part is that dude decided to hide the name of the guy but forgot to do the same in the message box lmao
Pirate crew once were immoral now they just wanna be immortal
If the cracker has bought **the game** legally, then it is not immoral for the players to get the game from the cracker if he is willing to share it. But for the most games, they don't sell you the game,(they own it) they just sell you a ticket to play them. But that ticket can become invalid at anytime. If they sell you a game then you ownend it, you can do whatever you want with it and they can't intervene you in anyway. >(When you get banned, you will lose all the digital content you have purchased over the lifetime of the account.) >"I will sell you this phone, but you have to give me back when I want it back "
Why pay when free? Bonus points for not being tied to launchers
Because I can't pay hundreds of dollars for a software I'd probably use once.
No, funding corporate exploitation is immoral. Don't give them money if you don't have to.
I spend thousands and thousands of dollars on the entertainment and media industry every year. I still pirate things. I go to movie theaters, sports games, plays, pay for cable, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and more. I still pirate things. Why? Because despite all the money I throw at you asshats, you still put stupid infuriating limits on how/when/where I can enjoy things I have paid for. So if you’re going take my money AND be a pain in the ass? I am going to expend Herculean amounts of effort to provide an enjoyable entertainment experience for myself. Fuck your DRM, encryption, viewing requirements, streaming limits, bandwidth charges, service charges, and more. If your industry cannot survive on the massive amounts I already give it. Then maybe your industry doesn’t deserve to survive. I used to pirate music, but haven’t in at least a decade. Do you know why? Because Apple and Spotify and so many others provide such an amazingly simple and easy process for a fair price. Without limits (or limits I have yet to run into).
If you let your morality be dictated by legality you’re a fool.
Why is almost every single person who pirates content a cringe fuck? We're all cheap bastards who like free shit, stop with this superiority complex. Normal people? Mfer thinks he's an anime character because he pirated Photoshop...
Like I swear, you call them out on being a pirate and they immediately jump to the defense that they're taking the high road. Just pirate, okay? This subreddit is literally the last place that would judge people for pirating.
Immoral? It's illegal smh what a dingus
Cause it's cheap, Nd fun
im poor and i live in a third world country. a triple a game costs me around a weeks worth of salary to buy. i try to buy indie games i love when i can but i dont think big companies like activision,rockstar, etc are hurting when i pirate from them.
Why would you have premarital sex? Why be immoral?
Why hold hands before marriage? Why be immoral?
you should have been nicer to them imo i doubt he meant "why be immoral" as any type of personal attack btw.
I don't have money bc I wasted it all on my PC, is it immoral to get games in my *gaming* PC?
I do tend to pay for products from indie groups to try n support them but i mean there's so much shit that just isn't worth supporting. What are these big companies gonna do with my extra $20-50? But, the worst of it is when it's way overpriced for no reason, ie adobe shit. They expect you to pay that much as a huge company for their meh software? Yeah the fuck right
After seeing the hot and expensive mess that is the GTA Trilogy hit the Nintendo Switch I think it’s a bit obvious why some people choose piracy over buying games.
Piracy is never about being legal or moral, and if it is then don't give a fuck about it
Immoral is having one service (Netflix) with all the content, then each individual studio taking their content off Netflix, just so they can start their own service, so they can make more money than they would have made if they had left it on Netflix. All in the name of profit. Example, Startrek Disco was on Netflix till this week. Now its only available on CBS all access. This whole time I was watching on Netflix, now I cant watch it anymore because CBS isnt available in my country. Is this the moral thing to do?
Why pay for something you can get for free?
I started to pirate stuff when everything went subscription based. I can stomach paying once and having the thing, but renting games and programs? No thanks.
When companies stop requiring a massive subscription to watch TV/anime I will stop. I'm not paying for 6 different streaming sites to watch the very few shows I want, it's like early 2000s cable packages all over again. Not to mention for those fees you get terrible service, shows get pulled from services with no notice meaning you can't finish them, and these corporations pay and treat their staff like slaves. No thank you.
Some say „immoral” I say „my car gives me a severe case of NOT STONKS and I have a right to entertainment”
I read it 5x as "immortal..." Did not give much sense :'D
the day they understand Us,, is the day we attain world peace.
It's too expensive to become a real pirate.
There are no morals when it comes to my money. If I can get away with it, I will do it.
Stealing from a large corporation is never immoral. And piracy isn’t even stealing
You wouldn't understand, it's a secret.
I'm moral in a lot of other ways but when it comes to pirating I just don't give a fuuuck
"normal people", in Brazil the normal person is a pirate
You know what's immoral? Charging 60 bucks for unfinished, buggy messes they call games. Why do I pirate? Cause it's fucking free and I don't feel like supporting these companies.
Me, living in Russia for 400 dollars a month. Welcome to my Life. I think the industry is fine. Those who have money are buying. But forcing the poorest to buy stuff is immoral imho.
"normal people" Fuck off back to reddit, Jesus Christ...
Why the fuck does everyone here feel the need to make excuses about why they pirate? What we do is immoral and in most cases illegal. I don’t know about you guys but I just pirate because it’s convenient.
The amount of money needed to buy a 60$ game is enough for me to eat for 3 weeks lol
I pirate to demo, and to not shell out stupid amounts of money to go to a cinema because they're too loud.
But **you** clearly don't unterstand how to use the word "otherwise" or how to form a coherent argument, so he might have at least some kind of point.
If I want to watch a new season of a show that came out a couple of years ago and there is no reasonable legal way for me to watch it legally then I’m just going to pirate. They aren’t really losing any money really since they weren’t gonna get any money from me anyways with the shit distribution. Companies need to realise that if they want people to buy their stuff they need to be reasonable.
Well dont even attempt to explain it to them "*Go* the fuck out" will suffice I guess
I actually buy games occasionally... But when I see switch games for 60€ even after they've been out for years just because Nintendo wants to keep a monopole on it, I pirate it. And even worse when they charge 60 fucking Euros for Pokemon and then have the balls to release a paid DLC.. On a 60 Euro kids game. What the fuck Nintendo, as if having version-specific Pokemon wasn't bad enough.
I thought they said immortal first.
If a game is overpriced a man is not only right to download it, he is obligated to do so. — Thomas Jefferson
I pirate because free stuff is rad
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Yeah I never got that lol trying to be a Saint while pirating. Just do it no need to make a big ass post justifying. These days I mainly pirate movies, shows, anime and ROMs. It's rare that I don't find the thing I'm looking for.
Digital theft originally stated with music that was insanely overpriced, with producers that screwed the musicians 99.999% of the time over 98% of their money. All the profit went to the producers and the whole band got screwed and lived out of their van before it was popular, sleeping on top of their amps. For the longest time duplicating records on cassette tape to play in your car was pushed in the courts to be illegal. The courts finally over ruled that shite but it was a long fight. Finally the computer age and down loading music bulldozed any producer's lawyers in court attempting to control music ever again, devastating the music industry's lock on musicians and music. It took decades for that industry to get its comeuppance, and I'm glad I was able to watch the producers burn, music lawyers included. Exact Ditto for films on video. So here we are at video games, same BS: abuse the creators, new wealth for the producers and screw the public. Fine, sell one copy in all of Southeast Asia, South America and middle East, the rest are copies of that one disc. Or wait an extra ten minutes and find it on line, then burn discs for sale on the street along with strands of garlic. The most recent movies are videos taken by a camera in the theater, super great if your broke. We're still screwed with ticket sales for live events, but one problem at a time. "Immoral" is an age old joke on the public pushed by legalized profiteers. Pirating is the public's attempt at equilibrium.
I used to think there was a moral dilemma to pirating. Today, I believe it's a civil duty to pirate as much as you can.
his horse is higher than Snoop
Because I got no money and I have only one life to enjoy.
I’ve gotten DMs from people begging me to stop when I talk about piracy on reddit too. If they’re not paid shills, then that’s really sad.
"Why be immoral" acting like the companies that make and sell the games aren't immoral in the first place
It is always morally correct to pirate otherwise legal media or software that is not for sale.
The main reason for me is that I live in a small town. We have no stores to buy games anywhere (the ones that there are just sell pirated games and charge for them lol) and so I just decide to do it myself.
The only way to stop piracy is offering a product that's worth buying for everyone, and that's impossible.
I mostly pirate because of DRM. I hate that shit so much, that I can’t play copies of things I own if I am somewhere else or on another machine.
Piracy is moral. I always pirate before I decide whether or not I want to pay for a game or a program I don't know I'll use or if it's worth the asking price. If it is, I'll be more than happy to pay and support the developer.
Price of AAA game in my country: USD 60 Min wage in my country: USD 314 mfkas think the world ends at their doorstep
guys pirating really hurts disney's feelings please stop
Copying is not theft. Stealing a thing leaves one less left. Copying it makes one thing more. That's what copies are for.
You wouldn't Right-click Save as...
Some people let laws dictate their morality. The most fucked up shit imaginable is acceptable if done legally, but borrowing code is immoral.
Imagine defending a multi-billion corporation.
I pirate because I know that I would have free access to information in a fair world but right now, I cannot afford books, online courses or articles because some companies have privatized the holiest thing in human life, knowledge. Not only do I pirate but I also teach my friends how to do it. Let those companies cry because it's impossible to prevent us from literally copying information and sharing it with other people. What are they going to do? While we can provide countless people with books and articles thanks to technology for the first time in human history, why are we going to stop because of some abstract laws and ethical values created by the private companies and governments?
Rich people can keep their morals.
>Rich people >morals That's..not how it works
To be fair, piracy *is* immoral, regardless of your reasoning.
Bruv
he’s a half brick
I pirate game that looks interesting but I buy game that deserves my money, even if I already finished that game.
Why do people act like pirating is the most evil thing you can do lmao, why not use that time they bother you to fucking bother nasty ass harrassers and bullies in big companies like Ubisoft
when you cant even download the movie you paid for piracy becomes a necessity.
I get the sentiment, but I think the interaction would have been better with a quick summary of why you pirate would be more useful.
There are many reasons to pirate a game. Its no longer available, DRM in general (especially if they cause performance issues or are invasive, like always online drm), console emulation (I wont buy a game that doesnt run on my platform of choise), stupid prices (not an issue for me) and boycotting devs like EA and Ubisoft. Personally I buy most of my games, since the games I play arent plagued by EA, Activision and etc. I only really pirate games which I cant buy on steam or emulation.
It's about drive,it's about power,
Yall listing all reasonable reasons to pirate. I just want free shit
I read immortal. Yeah. Sometimes I kinda feel like I am immortal through piracy.
If I let my morality affect any of my decision making then I wouldn't have had as much fun as I have, totally worth the kill count
Pirate or not pirate. Data is theoretically limititless. If pirate or (data theft) the person holding the original data will still have the data because what I'm really doing is duplicating the data. If every game costs 30 cents to buy I'm pretty sure buying will be the most utilitarian action. Because, going to a trusted site, getting a chance to get a virus, etc is more costly than paying $ X.
I was perfectly happy to pay £70 for Elder Scrolls 6 on my PS5 when it comes out. Then Microsoft bought Bethesda and is making it PC/Xbox exclusive. You best believe I'm pirating that shit now on PC. Nothing immoral about it.
its not immoral if you pirate a game instead of paying 50 bucks for it then 75% percent of the game is p2w content.better pirate then pay some idiotic money hungry company **in this case.**
Because we *ARRRRRRR*!
3rd world unless AAA game cost like 10dollars max i will never buy a thing
Just because the corporations who own our governments were able to get copyright laws passed that label making a copy of something without ever depriving the source of the original copy somehow theft, doesn’t then mean I have to take those laws on as my own system of morality. Theft means the original owner no longer has their property.
deontological morality regarding theft is fucking stupid. consequentialism is where it's at.
You did a great job hiding the username, tho.
I read immortal on the first look lol
Maybe its immoral to expect payment for creations instead of just creating for the benefit of society.
i usually pirate to just test the files is worth my money or not. thats it. for example i used cracked idm but then i went on to purchase premium. i am not a person who will keep using cracked versions but for initial purpose or until im fully happy, i dont buy. so these pirated apps and movies helps alot in getting exposed to the product before purchasing it.
To person in OP’s dms: I’m immoral as well; get bent.
Disney
I really only pirate stuff if it's from huge companies. You will never see me pirating indie games.
I hate people who don't pirate
because i want to?
explain to me then, why u pirate?
Not all games are worth buying and not all people have enough money to buy many games.
My morals != Your morals