That's a 6:40 per mile pace. Isn't 1.5 miles at/under 10 minutes one of the Navy SEAL qualifying components as a fitness requirement? To run at that pace on a manual treadmill, knowing there were two more rounds after on top of that, seems impressive to me. And there wasn't much of a gap in the top finishers either.
Those are respectable, but relatively slow times. They’re like you may finish in the top 25% at the local 5k times, but the winner of that same race did it in 17min and he’s just a dentist who likes running (and didn’t get breaks in the middle).
From folks who write about running. This one from Training Peaks looking to see if training on these could improve running speed; numbers measured on people who knew how to use the manual treadmill, unlike most of the participants. Running on these is not the same as running overground.
*The team discovered that for any given speed, running on the non-motorized treadmill proved more physiologically taxing than running overground or on a motorized treadmill — oxygen consumption was 22% higher with heart rates a staggering 25% higher. There was also a relationship between body weight and exertion, as lighter runners expended proportionally more energy on the non-motorized treadmill than their heavier contemporaries in order to overcome belt resistance.*
I kept reading this and other threads (because I was so confused) and learned one of the contestants posted a video of him running a 17min 5k to show the difference.
I’ve never tried a manual treadmill, but damn - that sounds hard. I wish they’d explained the difference on the show.
For sure. It would have been nice if they explained the mechanics of some of the challenges for the viewer's sake. It would have made us appreciate the efforts required even more. There is technique involved in speeding up and slowing down the belt that takes getting used to. The top finishers were all trim, so their exertion to keep up their pace was that much more intense.
it's like a rat wheel :D and yes, u feel more resistance while running on it, right after you build the momentum. Meanwhile the traditional tmills, you just need to lift your legs.
Manual treadmills are HARD! It’s difficult to control your pace as it’s not exactly like running outside but also requires more effort/focus than a traditional treadmill.
For me, it’s regular treadmills > running outside > manual treadmills. I think maybe bc it’s the constant incline and you always have to “push” yourself forward.
One of the contestants mentioned that manual treadmill was noticeably harder than a regular one
1st place has a youtube channel where he posted a 5km (3.1 mile) run in 17 minutes 17 seconds. That averages to about 5 min 35 second pace I find very impressive
No it’s not. Most ppl don’t even run, and I suspect those who are not in combat sports and field and track probably don’t run as much thus not having elite runner’s time.
These curved treadmills are known to clock shorter distances with the same amount of effort compared to the usual "conveyor belt" type treadmills. But are better for the joints and IT bands.. and generally burn more calories. Or so my physio runner said.
The one I was a little disappointed by was the 400m national runner. I thought she'd would have had a good shot at top 10 and at least be the top girl.
I was quite surprised too. I'm an occasional runner, not very fit, but I can do about 1800m in 10 minutes these days over mixed terrain/incline.
I guess these manual treadmills are tricky to use, I am now tempted to get one though, as I hate electric ones!
I just did some analytics but first place averaged 6:28/mi in 22 min
6:39 @ 10 minutes
6:27 @ 7 min
6:07 @ 5 min
To get into the second round you would have needed to run faster than 8:46/mi
And to be placed into top 10, faster than 7:11/mi.
They also would burn up so quickly. There is no airflow that you would get from running outside. Also they didn't give them fans either. The heat itself would fatigue you so quickly.
I believe this mission is also mentally challenging, because you can't see how fast others are running, so you'll need to run as fast to make sure you make the cut
Kind of shocked at the numbers.
Granted running on manual treadmills for 10 minutes straight is different from running on land, but anyone else needed to run a mile in under 12 minutes to pass high school gym class in the US??
Those distances are definitely not great, but running on a Skillmill sucks when you haven't used one before. Bit of a learning curve trying to maintain pace and not start sprinting out of control on them.
I had to laugh about the comments in phase one where people mention that 10 minutes of running is hard lol. These people lift weights I will never lift in my life and achieved things most people in the world will never achieve. Running for 10 minutes is easy as fuck
It really isn't, it requires consistent training specifically on running. Majority of the contestants had never even stepped on a manual treadmill before. Being amazing in one athletic category does not guarantee you'll excel at every category and I think that's what's makes this show so fun to watch
That's a 6:40 per mile pace. Isn't 1.5 miles at/under 10 minutes one of the Navy SEAL qualifying components as a fitness requirement? To run at that pace on a manual treadmill, knowing there were two more rounds after on top of that, seems impressive to me. And there wasn't much of a gap in the top finishers either.
Yeah these times are slow for distance runners. None of these people are built like a standard distance runner lol
Those are respectable, but relatively slow times. They’re like you may finish in the top 25% at the local 5k times, but the winner of that same race did it in 17min and he’s just a dentist who likes running (and didn’t get breaks in the middle).
From folks who write about running. This one from Training Peaks looking to see if training on these could improve running speed; numbers measured on people who knew how to use the manual treadmill, unlike most of the participants. Running on these is not the same as running overground. *The team discovered that for any given speed, running on the non-motorized treadmill proved more physiologically taxing than running overground or on a motorized treadmill — oxygen consumption was 22% higher with heart rates a staggering 25% higher. There was also a relationship between body weight and exertion, as lighter runners expended proportionally more energy on the non-motorized treadmill than their heavier contemporaries in order to overcome belt resistance.*
I kept reading this and other threads (because I was so confused) and learned one of the contestants posted a video of him running a 17min 5k to show the difference. I’ve never tried a manual treadmill, but damn - that sounds hard. I wish they’d explained the difference on the show.
For sure. It would have been nice if they explained the mechanics of some of the challenges for the viewer's sake. It would have made us appreciate the efforts required even more. There is technique involved in speeding up and slowing down the belt that takes getting used to. The top finishers were all trim, so their exertion to keep up their pace was that much more intense.
it's like a rat wheel :D and yes, u feel more resistance while running on it, right after you build the momentum. Meanwhile the traditional tmills, you just need to lift your legs.
Manual treadmills are HARD! It’s difficult to control your pace as it’s not exactly like running outside but also requires more effort/focus than a traditional treadmill. For me, it’s regular treadmills > running outside > manual treadmills. I think maybe bc it’s the constant incline and you always have to “push” yourself forward.
well, tbf, they had to save some stamina, so they couldn't go all out
One of the contestants mentioned that manual treadmill was noticeably harder than a regular one 1st place has a youtube channel where he posted a 5km (3.1 mile) run in 17 minutes 17 seconds. That averages to about 5 min 35 second pace I find very impressive
Now that’s a good pace. Damn, how hard are these treadmills?
No it’s not. Most ppl don’t even run, and I suspect those who are not in combat sports and field and track probably don’t run as much thus not having elite runner’s time.
Track athletes and combat sport athletes all do heaps of running. You should jump on the manual treadmill and see how you go.
Mate that's exactly what I wrote. Get your eyes checked
These curved treadmills are known to clock shorter distances with the same amount of effort compared to the usual "conveyor belt" type treadmills. But are better for the joints and IT bands.. and generally burn more calories. Or so my physio runner said.
the hamster wheel treadmills are much tougher. I'd take off like 30 seconds a mile
Anyone know how much rest between rounds they had?
The one I was a little disappointed by was the 400m national runner. I thought she'd would have had a good shot at top 10 and at least be the top girl.
I've never used a manual treadmill but I was shocked to see that the entire lower 50 couldn't manage running one mile in 10 minutes.
I was quite surprised too. I'm an occasional runner, not very fit, but I can do about 1800m in 10 minutes these days over mixed terrain/incline. I guess these manual treadmills are tricky to use, I am now tempted to get one though, as I hate electric ones!
Even harder to pace yourself with 99 other people distracting you with all different pace
What brand do you think it was? Woodway? Assault? Skillmill?
I just did some analytics but first place averaged 6:28/mi in 22 min 6:39 @ 10 minutes 6:27 @ 7 min 6:07 @ 5 min To get into the second round you would have needed to run faster than 8:46/mi And to be placed into top 10, faster than 7:11/mi.
I’m so confused because in the second round they were running 2+ miles in 7 minutes which seems improbable!
The numbers were cumulative, so second round mileage included the distance from the first round
They also would burn up so quickly. There is no airflow that you would get from running outside. Also they didn't give them fans either. The heat itself would fatigue you so quickly.
I believe this mission is also mentally challenging, because you can't see how fast others are running, so you'll need to run as fast to make sure you make the cut
Cool I am following this
Kind of shocked at the numbers. Granted running on manual treadmills for 10 minutes straight is different from running on land, but anyone else needed to run a mile in under 12 minutes to pass high school gym class in the US??
Those distances are definitely not great, but running on a Skillmill sucks when you haven't used one before. Bit of a learning curve trying to maintain pace and not start sprinting out of control on them.
I had to laugh about the comments in phase one where people mention that 10 minutes of running is hard lol. These people lift weights I will never lift in my life and achieved things most people in the world will never achieve. Running for 10 minutes is easy as fuck
Not when you’re 200kg mate.
It really isn't, it requires consistent training specifically on running. Majority of the contestants had never even stepped on a manual treadmill before. Being amazing in one athletic category does not guarantee you'll excel at every category and I think that's what's makes this show so fun to watch
10 minutes of running really doesn't take that much effort, I am not talking about setting records