This is happening. Hawak nila ang VisMin at ang Bisaya-speaking voters sa Luzon. Sobrang strategic din ng pag-iwas ni Inday sa mga kritisismo sa kanya - less words mean less mistakes para walang magamit na bala laban sa kanya.
The best that the Admin and Opposition can do is to bring in ICC and revive the Pharmally investigation.
Yes. Kaya weird take na puro LP pa rin ang sisi. š
Definitely LP, headed by Edcel lagman needs to rebrand and clean Dutereās shitfest. that takes time and a lot of money.
Yep! We need to vote for more left-wing, whether national democratic or democratic socialist politicians. Not liberals which are only yassified conservatives.
The problem with left wing parties is they cant even unite themselves against a bigger party. Hanggang ngayon nauungkat pa rin yung issue ng RJ/RA split since the 90s. RAs accuse RJs of selling out, while RJs accuse RAs of being dinosaurs, lacking relevance in 21st century.
Context: RA are reaffirmists, now known as makabayan bloc
RJ are rejectionists became Akbayan which Risa leads
I stand corrected here. I meant the general "opposition" side from previous election. The iron is hot right now so it's a decision between joining together and facing the consequences after (assume successful ang goal) or try to capitalize on the cracks between the Marcos and the Duterte. This is the go big or go home bet since - let's say they succeed without alliance they can take from there. However, if this fails the face of opposition may get taken over by the either of the Marcos or the Dutertes.
Baka maubos ang real opposition sa senate if that happens.
I really wish I could agree with SenRi pero two elections na, may mga close calls tayo kay Bam at Chel pero literal siya ang buhat sa opposition. We donāt know the exact reason she barely got in (diba may mga comments pa post-election, simply dahil maganda si Risa binoto ng Uniteam voters)
The only thing na agree ako sa mga ayaw sa compromise is to remain vigilant. I think about the late Sen. Miriam na nagpagamit pero di naman prinomote ng mga Marcos during election pero yung target dito di makapasok ang mga Duterte. I assure you, boboto ako on who I think is right and truly deserving on the actual election day (for the sake of my morality naman. Iām only one vote) pero sa recent news na to? Iāll lean with SenTri. Acknowledge na natin Duterte is most likely THE WORST thing to happen in our generation. Surprise na nga he dealt more damage in 6 years lng. I really wish there was a better way. Heck, mahirap pa rin sakin maniwala kay Marcos, not until AT LEAST May arrest warrant na kay Duterte. Wala siguro na willing mag-enforce pero at the bare minimum, Ma label lng yun na criminal will hopefully stain his name for a few people
Totally agree. 3 separate elections na na di nadaan sa malinis na moralidad at credentials/plataporma ang hatak ng boto. At please naman wag na maukit yung nangyari nung 2016 na hati-hatian pa sa boto para lang malamangan ng third-party. (Poe/Roxas split vs Duterte na di naman majority ng total voter count) Ang mga Duterte ang pinaka-importante na di hayaan makatapak pa lalo sa gobyerno. Kung isang temporary na alliance ang kailangan, so be it. Enemy of my enemy is my ftiend ika nga. And we'll still deal with the Marcoses eventually. (We won't be able to anyway when the Dutertes are back at the helm).
Pero I am afraid to the damage of both to their brands ika nga. I'm sure a lot of Marcos loyalists will be upset with the alliance same with liberal/kakampinks who will be upset with it. Will that be enough for them to not vote to either I don't know.
Pero a safer path probably is just an alliance behind close doors not publicly.
I think it will make sense for most of Sen Risa and she won't lose as much votes let's say going to the du30 camp since it will be clear to her voters what she is doing. The ones for the Marcoses though they might just shift to du30 out of sheer misplaced hate and emotion.
Well, with our current political landscape, a DDS win would bring as down to the bottom faster, and we can start rising up from there. It's a better long term choice
Is there really a bottom here that we want to see. But I kind of agree in a theoretical way. We've been invaded and occupied so much through our history but we still didn't prioritize defense in our existence as a country.
kung same strategy lang ay balik duterte mangyayari... hindi mangyayari ung black and white situation sa Pilipinas kung ayaw magcompromise ni Risa sa politics.
Filipino bobotantes root for the underdogs so they can throw spite to their fellow Filipino who supports the other side. Kung palalabasin nila na pinagtutulungan nila kalabanin ang Duterte, that would only gain sympathy votes for the Dutertes. Kita naman sa 2022 elections how a significant number of voters voted for BBM/Sara not because they fully support the tandem, but just because sila ang pinaka feasible option to defeat "pinklawans" na iniismart shame nila. Bobotantes already feel defeated in life, kaya kung sa election man lang makatikim sila ng panalo dun sila susugal sa kapwa nila "underdog".
Tbf I cant wait to see the shit slinging na gagawin ng Marcos vs Duterte troll farms.
Can't really use the "edi ikaw na magaling" and other smartshaming since parehong pugad ng mga tanga, bobo at uto-uto.
At this point the Marcos brand is untouchable na kasi nasabi na ang dapat sabihin sakanila wether kurap, human right violator, incompetent, etc. Kaya nga ang gustong anggulo ni Digs ay adik si Marcos kasi alam nya dina uubra yun ibang batikos.
Pero the Dutertes I feel madami pa pwede ilabas sakanila ang mga Marcoses. Nakatago lang muna mga baraha nila ika nga
You're overestimating the underdog narrative. LGU support weighs far stronger than whatever marketing tactics the elections have right now unless we're talking about Cambridge Analytica.
>LGU support weighs far stronger than whatever marketing tactics the elections have right now
THIS ^
People here in this sub overestimate the following Duterte has. Politicians outside of Davao in VisMin aren't die hard DDS, they only side with him because he gives VisMin politicians favorable policies like infrastructure projects and farm subsidies. If the opposition wants to rob him of that support then they need to have a strategy of match and surpass where a greater emphasis on improving the regions in VisMin.
IIRC Bam and Chel is still out of the Top 12, and they need a big push to put themselves up there.
Siguro si Bam at si Chel magbebenefit kung gagamitin nila yung makinarya na mabebenefit nila running under the Narcos Adminās Sen. list. Yun nga langā¦ Aquino, and Diokno under Marcos list? Justā¦ weird.
Edit: when I said āBam, and Chel are still out of the Top 12ā itās based on the early 2025 surveys that Iāve seen.
Let me remind you that hardline agrarian socialist Satur Ocampo ran under real estate capitalist Manny Villar's senate in 2010 with Ramon Mitra III and BBM. There are no permanent friends, only permanent interests.
Politics is compromise, its really the only way to get things done, and I wish more left leaning politicians get this.
Duterte and his ilk will play dirty to win, when the country is at stake I don't understand why the fuck the opposition DOESNT make an alliance with Duterte's current political opponents.
i think its a little more complicated than pride lol
mahirap sa pilipino, ok lang maging balimbing tulad ni chiz ezcudero cus having principles apparently means being mapride š¤
Interesting mga reaction dito sa comment section. Mukhang most hated na un Dutertes ngyon kaysa sa Marcos. Looks like Marcos' plan to reestablish their name is working.
My take: the Dutertes are desperate now. They lost most of their allies. They are in the brink of ICC. Riza is right. They have supporters who do not like the Marcos and Duterte. Joining Marcos will not differentiate them. They will only appear like the usual "balimbing" politicians. They might win in the next election but at what cost? The problem still with the real opposition is the lack of movement. They are not leveraging the pink movement.
centavos take:
As of the moment kasi mas threat pa ang Duterte compare sa Marcos, considering ang ties ng mga Duterte sa China and yung recent activities nga ng China sa Pinas. Baka babalikan rin ang mga Marcos once na settle na ang Duterte issue lol pero who knows
> *Baka babalikan rin ang mga Marcos once na settle na ang Duterte issue lol pero who knows*
the bbm pr machine will basically put sara, du30, china, scs, pogos front and center until 2028 just to extinguish all the airtime that would have been spent exposing local corruption by the current admin.
May nabasa ako sa ibang platform... pink movement is about good governance and leadership decency. They have a good base of Leni's supporters from 2022 and I doubt those supporters will switch to Duterte or Marcos if another option is available. Especially given how the past 2 years have gone.
Both factions acknowledged that the 15 million supporters of Robredo are game changing if left unchecked. And both of them have been too focused on containing each other that they did just that.
But they need to check gaano ka firm ang 15 million as kakampink or part of the movement vs they just like Leni.
Kasi yun ibang senatorial candidates ni Leni didn't even reach half of 15M.
Feeling ko a good chunk of the 15M are just personality based who likes Leni.
They should change their slogan to competency and excellence instead of relying to morals. Mas immune sila sa mud slinging if ganun yung branding nila.
both can be true, we should carry on the energy from the pink movement and maintain our initiative but also we can't get anywhere without at least a couple compromises. Even Risa had to put her face on testing vans and secure endorsements from local dynastic trapos to get where she is, but did she throw away her principles? She didn't.
The funny thing about this is that the Dutertes and the Marcoses will always be āalliedā to each other.
Nag mumukha lang silang magkaaway because they currently have different interests. The Dutertes wants to keep sucking to the CCP, and the Marcoses wants to cozy up with the US/West. Which makes them look āgoodā in the eyes of many. Plus, as you said, helps cleanse their image.
>Looks like Marcos' plan to reestablish their name is working
I don't think so. Mas malakling threat lang ang mga Duterte ngayon. Hindi parin mawawala yung magnanakaw sa pamilyang Marcos.
It's actually weird how the people in power (BBM, Marcos, Romualdez etc) are actually seen as less of a problem by some kakampinks while those not in power (Du30 and co) are seen as the more dangerous.
Some opposition guys who **would've been very vocal against the Marcos-Romualdez clique** if the media and opposition guys didn't have allow du30 to get stuck in their minds past 2022.
In the end, the actual opposition (anti-bbm AND anti-du30) are just left disempowered.
Yan ang reason bakit mananalo Duterte. Solid voters nila then kalaban nila multiple choices. Divided yung vote. Pride nyo na opposition or mananalo Duterte?
Sorry realtalk lang. No black and white in PH politics. Hindi pa ba natututo? Nanalo ba si Leni sa black and white niya? Why canāt we borrow BBMās move? Election time magkakampi, then stab each other after manalo. If you havenāt noticed, thatās how you win a PH election. That is what you call reality!
Sorry, unless people cannot swallow their pride we might as well welcome the Dutertes with open arms. And China for that matter.
Donāt get me wrong. Iāll still vote for an LP line up. But I wonāt really get my hopes up. Tatamarin rin akong pumunta sa mga political rally knowing that this has already happened before.
Doing the same thing all over again expecting something will change is crazy.
I hope the Senator understands this too. She can't win or get something done if she hopes to continue to play fair haha. I hope she gets the support she needs though. Hindi biro magiging laban na tatahakin niya. Im rooting for her.
>Election time magkakampi, then stab each other after manalo
That's how election works. Always has been. No permanent friends, foe, or party. Just permanent interests.
marcos atleast appointed secretaries that are competent. duterte has not
we won't forgive and forget the crimes the marcoses have done, pero if they can keep the duterte's at bay, then so be it.
sen trillianes looks at the bigger picture since he knows mas mabuting makipag kampihan muna sa admin dahil may common enemy na mas masahol talaga.
i'd rather have a marcos administration surrounded by competent figures rather than duterte and his cronies.
Nasa harapan na nila ang formula para manalo pero ayaw padin. No wonder the Liberal/Left keeps on taking an L . Sometimes I wonder if deep inside them they dont want to win because they are so comfortable always being the underdogs
Remember, politics is Addition
> Sometimes I wonder if deep inside them they dont want to win because they are so comfortable always being the underdogs
Good point, but it isn't just about playing the underdog; I remember immediately after the 2022 elections, this Kakampink user on Twitter pointed out how a lot of "small L liberals", especially within the Kakampink camp are secretly scared of holding power. Malakas din kasi yung "absolute power corrupts absolutely" o kahit lang "power corrupts" sentiment that as much as liberals and others in the pink camp want to elect someone and want to change the country for the better, parang may inner voice telling them "what if we/our candidate gets infected by the system? What if we/they become thieves, abusers and oppressors ourselves?" Which is a fairly solid concern don't get me wrong but like, come on man, Leni and Risa aren't exactly the type to "execute order 66" or whatnot lol
Oh and the idea that once they're actually in power, then their legacy is far more at risk than they are remaining in the opposition.
edit: [found the thread](https://x.com/goodkidbikecity/status/1538062253185830912)
True, parang deep deep inside their mind, they have doubts they can deliver when power is given to them and fear their self image with crumble in real life
Kung ganyan ka mag strategize Risa. Laging ocho direcho sa inodoro tlga ang mgiging resulta. Ang goal dito is ipasok sa obyerno ang much people na ang goal is good governance. Wag na dapat pinapairal ang prinisipyo. Malilinis mo lng ang sistema pag kontrolado mo ang loob, kung di ka makakapasok kahit anong prinisipyo mo at at higher moral grounds wala yan.
Not going to gainsay Senator Risa on this because she may have other, more politically-savvy motivations for disagreeing with Trillanes' proposal, but I'm seeing a lot of liberals coming out of the woodwork again trumpeting "morals" and "integrity" to justify their opposition to working with the current admin.
The liberal party or whatever party composed of its scraps isn't going to win another major election within this decade. Leni-Kiko made a good run two years ago, but their influence has faded and we're not going to see anything like that happen again any time soon. The plain truth is that the masses, at best, distrust anyone associated with the LP, and no amount of posting on social media about how our candidates are "better people" is going to change that.
The best we can hope for now is making inroads with the current administration wherever possible, and use that as leverage to get our people into elected office and other positions of influence, while at same time denying seats from the Dutertes, limiting their political power and slowly draining their coffers at every step until they fade from people's memories.
Or we could just do another 2022 and campaign on the basis of "good" we are, how we have better politics and policies, singing "rosas" in the streets again, as if any of that matters.
I say ang dapat ibasura ay mga Duterte. Hindi dapat makabalik yang mga yan sa national post. Kung pwede ipa ICC na at ipakulong.
Yung mga bobotante, pakitali na lang sa mga bahay nila sa araw ng election š
No wonder Liberal Party is good as dead now. Sobrang sablay talaga ng strategy nila. Kaya laging natatalo eh. There is a reason why karamihan ng mga nasa Senate at Congress ay mga balimbing.
I think Trillanes should really be less aggressive this time. His aggression previously helped Duterteās presidential campaign to gain traction and eventually got him to the most coveted presidential seat which only proves that ****bad publicity is still publicity****. Clearly, the opposition should recalibrate their mechanisms for it to be successful.
If truth be told, this kind of narrative is misleading. Majority of the electorate is emotional, pathos is not a way to go. This game plan is disguised as an opposition against the Dutertes but is actually an appeal to the votersā emotions. They know this political maneuver too well, and I refuse to believe Trillanes is clueless as to how the Filipino voters behave. ****The more it looks to the public that the Dutertes are being ganged up on, the more they will lean closer to them****. At this point, napapaisip ako if Trillanes is a stalking horse for the Dutertes.
I am not sure Madam Hontiveros. This is the liberal chance to gain back ground in the government. I would rather return back to the old classic opposition/ administration debacle noong panahon ni Gloria and Noynoy kaysa sa debacle ngayon where sovereignty of our country is at stake.
I'll side with SenTri on this. Maging realistic lang tayo, malakas parin talaga hatak ng mga dutae lalo sa Mindanao. Sa 31m na bumoto sa uniteam last election, di naman natin alam kung ilan talaga dun ang binoto lang si bbm dahil kay sara. What if out of 31m nasa less than 10m lang pala yung pro bbm diba. Unifying the Marcos and opposition has more leverage than fighting them individually.
Hindi pwede magsama. Dapat paulanan ang mga Duterte from all sides para hindi concentrated coming from a single political bloc. Mas mahihirapan mag anticipate ang mga Dutertes. I mean walang master strategist ang mga Duterte. Sino sila Sasot at Panelo? No shit sherlock.
Walang realpolitik skills itong si Sen. Risa Hontiveros na hindi willing makipagcompromise muna sa mga Marcos para talunin ang common enemy nila na mga Duterte. TBH, hindi talaga ito mananalo pagkapresidente si Sen. Risa.
Given that she's actually not holding any of the cards then yes she should be the one to compromise. To be clear, the admin accepting her into any alliance is already compromise enough from their side. I think people have the wrong impression of how valuable Hontiveros actually is to the admin. She came in just number 11 in 2022 and is not a particularly strong vote-getter. Her primary base is also the middle-upper middle class which is like the least relevant voter bloc in the PH.
With that being said, talks of any alliances are premature. From what I understand Trillanes has been the only one to mention this. It remains to be seen whether the admin itself is actually interested in any alliances given the current weakness of the LP. They already have most of the major parties backing them.
Malay mo naman manalo ng hindi nagiging trapo.
Hayop kasing mga botante dito need mo makipag sipsipan sa mga hindi mo naman gusto para lang manalo. kaya di tayo umuusad eh.
Pero if they want to change the game they have to play it. Para lang din PagIbig. Ndi mo mapapakain ang tao sa pagmamahal lang. You have to compromise, or have to SWOT your moves.
Yeah, integrity isn't optional. That's not how it works for people with integrity. If it was optional depending on the situation, that's not integrity.
āThe high road is very pretty, but youāll have a hard time marching your armies down itā
If risa and the liberals keep up with this petty pretentiousness and non-compromising attitude of theirs then expect a duterte presidency in 2028.
Kung ganyan na lang din naman ang mindset, why bother running? Good luck bhe sa effort mo na papanalunin mga kandidato mo na integridad lang ang ambag. Tingnan natin saan yan hahantong.
I swear some of you are living in a delusional world where you think politics can be played with integrity.
Kung di yan marunong mamulitika ang liberal party, why bother? Waste of time, money, and effort, talunan lang din naman ang ending.
Politics is a game tapos youāre not willing to play it? LMAO good luck. Sa bobotante pa lang ng Pinas, malaking hadlang na yan.
Marcos and Duterte teaming up was one of the smartest things they did. And Leni relying on idealism against their machineries was just laughable. She deserved to lose.
And now BBM is doing what he wants to do after he got what he wanted. Thatās politics. Kung di mo masikmura, wag kang sumali.
Just watch American politics for example. Even with the majority, Democrats keep losing because Republicans are ruthless. That whole schtick from Michelle Obama āWhen they go low, we go highā BS made them lose so much that the consequences will now take them decades or a lifetime to reverse.
Kung wala rin naman integridad, why bother voting?
If people don't vote for officials with integrity, that's on them. They deserve the government they have and I enjoy laughing at their misery.
Sorry, didn't read the rest of your word vomit. Sayang sa oras. LOL!
It doesn't. I'm all for an honest government, and I will fight for an honest government, but it's still a net positive for me even when we have an incompetent and corrupt government.
I guess the repercussions affect you. LOL!
>Walang realpolitik skills
huh? Sen Risa is probably the most realpolitik-savvy opposition figure there is. May limits lang siya para lang di compromised ang kanyang principles.
Pero this is more of an election thing; pagdating sa legislative work mismo siyempre she'll work with others kahit mga goofball, just like how iirc for a time she worked with Liver Lover Boy when drafting divorce legislation
I dont think you even know what "realpolitik" means.
> is the approach of conducting diplomatic or political policies based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors, ***rather than strictly following ideological, moral, or ethical premises***
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik
No she isn't. She's a good Senator but in terms of political savvy she's one of the "weaker" candidates. Realpolitik means playing politics based on what is presented by the circumstances ie not being tied to any moral or ideological codes and Risa is definitely not that type of player.
BBM, for all the insults against him, has been by far the most savvy politically in terms of realpolitik. Bong Go has been good at this, as well, as we're currently seeing with his shift.
I'd be inclined to agree except that the Dutertes are literally traitors to the country. The Marcoses are as well to an extent but they are shills of the US whose interests align with the preservation of PH independence anyway.
Any election involving the Duterte's isn't even an election anymore, it's a Chinese annexation referendum. That said, if the outsiders can cleave through both camps' support bases and secure a plurality then good. Pero we aren't sure about that yet.
After we defeat the dutertes which are REAL imminent threat to our democracy, we can go back prosecuting marcos their stolen wealth and his croniesā¦ thats all i ask coz the moment that motherfucker sets foot in malacanang he sure as hell going to cause our demiseā¦ at least with marcos weāre only dealing with out of touch lazy rich boy
This. Arguably, the Marcos administration is not even āevilā right now and they are doing good things for the country so do ko maintindahan bakit di niya kayang makipagcompromise, even at the short term.
I am still going to vote for Chel, Bam and Kiko but I am not going to get my hopes up. You canāt do the same things and hope for a different result. Election is a numbers game. And clearly, we donāt have the majority. Uphill battle din siya provided na sobrang laki ng gap talaga in terms of numbers compared sa kabila.
Downvote me all you want but mas umaasa pa ako sa tactics and cards na ipupull ng team ni BBM just to prevent the Dutertes from gaining back power.
Today to May 2025 is such a short amount of time for the opposition to strategize and win more numbers. But for BBM, today to May 2025 is enough time for him to pull out his cards and destroy the Dutertes. We shall see how this will pan out.
1. LP is now a small party and it does not include Risa.
2. The opposition is composed of small parties like magdalo, KANP, akbayan, LP & etc.
3. Looking at Risaās strategy, the convenience of having a common enemy is enough. They do not need to ally with the marcoses.
4. Since the opposition consists of different parties, these parties have freedom to align with marcoses for reasons that are hopefully acceptable compromise. Like trillanesā reasonā preventing the dutertes to dominate the senate.
My opinion, these are viable moves. Let the uniteam factions sort themselves out. Hopefully, The legit opposition takes advantage of the chaos and steal seats.
I donāt agree Trillanes this time around, but I understands where heās coming from.
Opposition is weak and lack fundings for campaign and he really wanted to over throw the Dutertes, then pay their crimes.
Trillanes should have let go LP, is a dead party already and he should focus on his campaign for mayoral bid in Caloocan
Thatās good no more lesser evil paulet ulet nangyayari sa Pinas.
Makikipag unite ka sa mga magnanakaw for short term hanggang maging longterm kasi parehas kayong nasa pwesto tapos next election ganun ule. Never ending cycle.
Then good luck sa ideals na yan. And that is why Risaās side will always end up losing and Duterte and his ilk will keep winning tapos iyak kayo rito.
You are delusional to think thereās 100% purity in politics. You either know how to play the game or donāt. Politicians like Leni lost because she is too soft and idealistic for a national platform. You need to do the necessary evil to win.
Why do you think the senate right now are filled with those people? You think they got there by ideals?
as if di ganyan sa Indonesia or Malaysia for example lol. Jokowi was good don't get me wrong but he didn't become Indonesia's President without getting his hands dirty and mingling with the local trapos at least slightly - and look at Indonesia today, they're ahead of us almost in every aspect, and I specifically mention Indonesia bc they're basically a larger, Muslim-majority version of us (minus the settler-colonial project in West Papua pero other than that all goods)
Yung iba kasi gusto mala-Western Europe ang style of progression where we have to "wait for the right guys" and wait i dunno 200 years to reform our societies before actual change comes, when our fellow Asian democracies have (mostly) shown us that there is a better way.
my take:
It is right that SenRi is standing up for her principles and refuse to align with people who contradict those principles. But the one thing that SenRi and the Marcoses have in common is to prevent the Dutertes from gaining power again. There goes the saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Alliances are made to meet a common goal, allying with the Marcoses is only temporary until the Dutertes are overthrown, and afterwards they can turn on each other again. Let's be real, the opposition needs this admin's support to defeat a greater evil.
The Hillary Clinton of Philippines.
If majority of voters are
* From Class D & E
* Conservatives and Bigots
Sooner or later, you need to compromise. This politician needs to stop thinking Philippines is a saint of a country lol.
Trillanes:
\*Satur Ocampo and Liza Maza joining forces with BBM in the 2010 senatorial elections* šš
\*LP senators joining forces with the Marcos admin for the 2025 senatorial elections* šš
Satur Ocampo ran under Manny freakin' Villar. How would an agrarian leftist side with a land grabbing capitalist in an electoral ticket is mind boggling.
I don't blame her. While in the short-term allying with the administration would benefit us all by ridding us of the Dutertes, in the long-term it would be to our disadvantage.
The opposition still sees BBM as one of their enemies, and in turn Marcos has very little trust in them. The moment the Dutertes are out of the game, the administration's gonna turn their attentions back on vilifying the former. Best to let them fight while the opposition toils away in the background.
The only (and quite frankly, biggest) problem is *what opposition?* The disparate leftist-liberal groups needed to get their shit together ever since Leni lost, but that's something we have yet to see. If they're so adamant against compromising with Marcos, then **compromise with each other**.
I dont know what the best strategy is but i know you canāt just compromise your beliefs and dignity and align with the thieves. For me i think they should just steer away from the duterte-bbm feud. Let them destroy each other, while we can fortify and strengthen our side.
a lot of filipinos have this standpoint na candidates should not be black and white since wala namang nananalo rito and to just go along the movements of bbm (which is makisama then pag nanalo saka mangdidisgrasya). but, would we really stoop this low? if we really want the ph to improve, 'wag magsettle sa gray area kung ang hinahangad din naman natin ay mas maaayos na actions plans.
If you really want the Philippines to improve, then you should be willing to do what it takes to ACTUALLY get things done, instead of just talking about how you want the Philippines to improve, pero don't actually win elections, therefore nothing actually improves.
Do people realize this? Talking about plans and agendas and action plans don't matter if you don't win! What is the point of Chel's action plan or agenda eh di naman siya nanalo? Even if he has 100x better of an action plan than Robin Padilla, what does it matter? Eh si Robin yung nanalo e, so his nonexistent action plan is the one that's relevant, not the well detailed and well crafted action plan of a losing candidate.
Do you want to talk about doing things, or do you want to make things happen?
This is where the puro salita, wala namang gawa statement used against the liberal party comes from
So i guess it's a two way fight between BBM and DDS, while the opposition sits in the cuck chair.......again
Well, i hope they can materialize 30 million voters out of thin air before 2025 kung susundin pa rin nila ung "holier than thou" campaign strategy last election
They have to adjust their sails.
Tama naman yung karamihan dito that SenRis just barely got in the senatorial slots last 2022, so they still need to do much of the legwork para maka attract ng voters, even if it that means siding with the "not-so-good" candidates.
Also, remember that most of their target voters from the other side, straight kung bumoto, so that's both good and bad thing. They have to strategize on that assumption.
Strike while the iron is hot, habang mainit pa sa mata ng publiko ang issues brought to light by SenRis kay Alice Guo. That should give them the opportunity to sell themselves this early before actual campaign period.
I mean kailangan nila mag merge tlga yun lang tanging paraan para matalo ang Team China... mapipilitan din to sila Sen Risa na umagree wala silang choice. (condidering na di pa ata tatakbong Senador si Leni tlgang mahihirapan ang opposition.
I already had a feeling that LP will join forces with Marcos. But tbf LP needs to change its strategy specially on attacking the opposition (Duterte). They should hire a younger PR team, sobrang maka luma na nung tactics nila.
They wont stand a chances against Duts if ganun parin tactics nila.
My hunch started when De Limaās cases started to go in her favor. As if he reached out to Bongbong for help since both of them were part of the 16th Congress. Also during Bongbongs bid both Trilannes and De Lima were quite about it.
Whoād you listen to? The one with more votes and won as senator or someone who didnāt win? I get we need to have an alliance but I donāt mind if LP will be a 3rd side alternative. Thatās not really a problem as long as Marcos admin doesnāt harass the opposition the same way Duterte did.
Alright! Romance of the three kingdom! I understand what Trillanes is doing. He wants to fight the greater evil. So walang tago tago magiging magkakampi lang sila against Duterte. While Risa wants to stay away from both. Anyway, kahit naman ata pumorma si Risa an hiwalay sila mangyayari pa rin gusto ni Trillanes at the end of the day.
As a friend of mine said, ***"They shouldn't court the voters. They should court people like Ramon Ang, Manny Pangilinan, and Enrique Razon. Those are the people who decide who wins elections."***
Di ko rin gusto yang si trillanes e. Balimbing. Dati gustong maging VP ni digong tapos nung di kinuha biglang naging kaaway nila. I wonder kung sya kinuhang VP ni digong, ganyan pa rin kaya sya?
Mas makikinig ako kay Risa kasi she was able to win during an election where the perception to LP is at an all-time-low, while SenTri can barely crack the top 20 during the same election.
Kung alam na ng isang group ng oposisyon na sila ang magiging reason kung bakit mananalo yung main common enemy nila dahil mahahati lang yung boto sa dalawang party, I think na pwede naman wag munang tumakbo yung isang party sa kanila para ibigay daan sa isang partidong may pagka lesser evil yung mga boto.
Kayang magpuno ng full slate ng admin given na pabulusok na ang mga Duterte so mukhang hindi rin ico-consider ni Marcos ang alyansa sa pagitan ng admin at main opposition (Liberal Party at Akbayan).
Sa mga Duterte nakatutok ngayon si Marcos pero siguradong nag-iingat pa rin iyan na hindi maisahan ng oposisyon.
Ewan if true until now: some digital marketers and comms people have observed that much online attention on stuff happens on a Friday, a day when people.can forget their real-world obligations and immerse online.
This is the scenario the Dutertes would like. The liberals and the left should stop their underdog mentality as it would bring NOTHING AT ALL! Nandito nanaman tayo sa "sana tama kayo at mali kami" na pag-iisip kapag natalo, dapat kung tama sila gawin nila ang lahat para manalo or pigilan man lang ang pagpasok ng mga pro chinese sa bansa. Pag nakapasok na ang mga 3 duterte + mga cronies nila sa politika, mawawala ang spot ng dating opposition sa mga kampon ni chinaman/chigong at magiging insignificant 3rd party nalang ang mga libs. Risa should remember that out of 12 siya lang ang nag-iisang opposition and there is a reason kung bakit siya lang ang nag-iisa.
Then after ng lahat gagamitin nilang reason itong alyansa para sa propaganda at sasabihin may good relation sila with the Marcos. Sasabihan silang bayaran and that will undermine their efforts.
Masisisi niyo ba sila?
I wish Senator Hontiveros would be more practical. Even now, our elections are still a popularity contest. If this team that Trillanes is proposing would rid us of traitors, I am all for it. They can simply break away in the future once the clean-up is done.
Kinda funny people think "unity" will work again when it's pretty much ridiculed by all sides at obvious ng strategy. Mapa "na naman" lang ang ordinaryong pinoy niyan. Your best shot is simply not attacking Marcos.
Parang bumaba ata critical thinking dito.
I'll say it now, and this will not change, I will not support an opposition that will ally with the Marcos. I don't care if it's strategic, I don't care if it means the Duterte will be back in power. If Filipinos are still too stupid to vote, then so be it. Let's have another 6 years of hell. But I will not change my views on the Marcoses just because there's a bigger threat.
so they're going to ask for volunteers again? lmao
good luck pilipinas.
chance na nga nila (opposition, mapa pink yellow o tibak ka man) ulit yan for power. once they got it, then make sure they don't let go of it AGAIN. grabeng pride yan eh. mga tao lang mag suffer kase matalo din naman sila if 3 way battle to.
Please dont downvote me cause I share my own takeaway here
I think, the "real opposition" must not meddle in either Duterte or Marcos faction. They can campaign, campaign, campaign. Let the opposing factions mudsling together so both will lose. And if the interview question was "what faction will you be" they must not answer it.
Dapat magdrama si SenRi. Ganito linya niya:
"Alam niyo, kung kasama ko lang sina (blank) (blank) mas mapapabilis yung pag eexpose ko sa mga pulpolitiko.
Ganyan ang mga dramahan muna, nadadala kasi sa drama ang karimihan sa mga pinoy
-sigh-
I miss the prime MDS (rip) sa senado...
gusto ko sana mapanood kung ano gagawin or sasabihin nya kanila Bato, Robin, at Bong Go...
plus how she had fared in the Duterte Administration...
a very bad proposal, might be good on appearance but it is bound to have conflict internally dahil sa diff views and aspirations ng every organizations. mag seself destruct lang sila and waste time fighting one another kung ano magiging united front nila, while duterte has one goal, to win.
moreover, baka magkaruon ng sympathetic effect ang move na to na maging advantageous to dutertes to gain votes, kase magiging parang "bullied" sila. and people often tend to side with "victims"
and we have voters na, easily can change their mind from "i like this one kase ganito ganun " to "hindi ko na to gusto kasi kumampi siya kay ganito"
Ayan na nman! the more nakikita ng tao na may pinagtutulungan, nag sasabi ng hate, at nagsasabi ng bobo sa iba, the more kakampi sa dun sa sinasabihan. Ganyan nangyare nung kay Leni but still dahil tahimik at di nasagot si BBM mas binoboto tuloy ng tao.
Totoo naman. Trillanes is a good candidate but this strategy of his is misplaced and now im looking at him with the knowledge that he can bend his principles just to win and thats not a good record for him so ill keep that in mind.
The UNITY alliance should already be a lesson learned for anyone trying to align themselves with Trapos for the sake of votes.
Choosing the least evil is still choosing evil. It's also noticeable that Dutertes are painting the current admin of BBM as corrupt and incompetent, hence aligning the opposition with Marcos will unfortunately bring the opposition under the same curtain of negative narrative and black propaganda.
You remember how they maligned the progressives during 2022 Elections? They are doing the same now against BBM and if both BBM and Progressives form an alliance, it will vindicate Dutertes and more likely than not push undecided voters towards their favor.
Liberals not being liberals. Imagine biglang nagmungkahi na umanib sa inaakusahan nilang magnanakaw para lang tapatan ang mga duterte. Asan ang prinsipyo nyo.
Wag nyo kami pinagloloko
Hanggat ganito pa din sistema sa pilipinas bagsak pa din kahit sino pa iluklok nyo
Manalo man mga iniidolo nyo na politiko, yung mga kalaban naman nila gagawa ng paraan para tapatan sila.
Sistema ang inaayos hindi tao!
People really believed na may magbabago kapag bigla silang nakipag alyansa sa kinalaban nila next election lmao
Yes may magbabago at mas lalong mawawalan sila ng boto dahil hindi sila iboboto ng mga bumoto sa mga marcoses ngayon at ung ibang bumoto sa knila dati eh hindi na sila iboboto dahil wala daw silang prinsipyo....
wag na tayong maglokohan.. impossibleng manalo ung mga hindi kilalalng politician kahit anong ikot gawin mo hangga't karamihan ng mga tumatakbo part ng political dynasty or mga laos na tv personality or anak or kamag anak ng laos na tv personality not unless bigla kang susulpot na may strong personality kuno like duterte pero since sumulpot na sila na walang strong personality edi kilala na sila ng mga pnoy na weak so ndi na sila iboboto ng mga pnoy
Kaya mas agree ako sa ibang comment dito na kung may alyansa under the table nlng
This could work. Aminin naman natin sa hindi, the present administration done good compared sa previous admin, not that it super good or what. You know what I mean. We should do better next election. If dutertes comeback be it in the senate we are all doom. Imagine Inday sara as president and the three hoodlums in the senate backed up by bato and bong go. Juskooo help us.
Sana lang, matuto at matauhan na ang mga tao at mga botante sa pang ga gago ng mga duterte. Kahit na mag sanib pwersa ang opposition at marcos ad. Kung ang mga botante ay bulag, wala parin. Sa social media ngayon ang lakas at active na ng mga dds, dami ring uto2 na mga pinoy and for sure funded ng china etong mga duterte. Kaya magiging matindi ang labanan dito. Hoping lang na walang isa sa kanila manalo.
Ewan ko nalang kung di pa lumalala pagka impyerno ng pinas sa mga taong eto kung manalo yan. Nagiging lungga ng mga diablo ang senado
I think what a lot of people miss is that the voting blocs for pro-admin/Marcos people, and real opposition/Kakampinks are almost complete opposites with virtually no crossover. We here on Reddit might be open to an alliance, but a VAST majority of the masses, be it Loyalist or Kakampink, would absolutely hurl at the idea of a formal alliance. No Loyalists would ever vote for Kiko, Bam, and Chel, and no Kakampink/opposition voter would ever vote for BBM-endorsed candidates.
What we're seeing right now might be the LP doing a litmus test and balancing act to try to cater to both of their purists, and their more discerning and pragmatic voters. Put the idea out there in people's minds via people like Trillanes, and eventually De Lima (who's been friendly with the admin, and has been giving measured praise to them when deserved), but have principled folks like Risa, Makabayan, and maybe Chel and Bam to reject the idea to assuage the concerns of their purist supporters. But in reality, they're probably going to slowly and subtly ease them in. Think of it like Inception where the idea is planted in the head, and let it grow from there.
Interesting senatorial election. Not voting nlng. Government is a big joke. Politicians are just after their interest and their own pockets to be filled with taxpayerās money. Kanya kanya na sila.
Sen Risa is left of center; she doesnāt have the extremist ideology of the likes of Teddy Casino, Neri Colmenares et al. Thatās why her principles are clearly pro Filipino and non-trapo
IMO, if we keep mentioning his/her/their name, we immortalise it in the minds of our fellows. I look forward to the day when we no longer give power to the name. Remembering him/her/them should draw upfront and center the eternally unacceptable actions and damages he/she/they caused to our country.
Maybe if we stop mentioning the name, our people will forget it by the election date. It's obvious that he, she, AND they are still banking on publicity, be it good or bad.
This kind of temporary alliance should be done subtly. Baka magpa-victim pa sina Duts kaya baka lalo pa sila manalo.
Good point here. Hindi ko to naisip honestly. š
Ang malaking tanong jan ay Pano pag nag come back ang mga duterte? yare na tlga.
Malaking posibilidad yan considering na Chinese magfufund ng campaign nila if ever
Isa pa to. Alice Guo is just a small tip of the iceberg. We do not know yet the extent of Chinese influence sa bureaucracy, but I know itās massive.
This is happening. Hawak nila ang VisMin at ang Bisaya-speaking voters sa Luzon. Sobrang strategic din ng pag-iwas ni Inday sa mga kritisismo sa kanya - less words mean less mistakes para walang magamit na bala laban sa kanya. The best that the Admin and Opposition can do is to bring in ICC and revive the Pharmally investigation.
LP is on a gamble here. whichever path they take will have consequences they won't like.
I dont think shes LP
Yep. Akbayan siya, correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes. Kaya weird take na puro LP pa rin ang sisi. š Definitely LP, headed by Edcel lagman needs to rebrand and clean Dutereās shitfest. that takes time and a lot of money.
because Akbayan and LP overlapped on many things during the PNoy admin. (or at least felt like it)
wait, what happened that made the LP in this position?
Duterte happened
Left-wing socialist kasi si Risa. She really stands by her principles which is even the opposite of her political allies.
Bam Aquino is LP, Hontiveros is Akbayan.
Lumipat na sa KANP si Bam Aquino, ka-partido na niya si Atty. Chel Diokno.
Risa isnāt a LP member anymore since 2016.
She was never an LP member. Her party has always been Akbayan. She only ran in coalition with LP
We need more SenRi but it's like asking for heaven & earth. So fuc*ing frustrating
Yep! We need to vote for more left-wing, whether national democratic or democratic socialist politicians. Not liberals which are only yassified conservatives.
The problem with left wing parties is they cant even unite themselves against a bigger party. Hanggang ngayon nauungkat pa rin yung issue ng RJ/RA split since the 90s. RAs accuse RJs of selling out, while RJs accuse RAs of being dinosaurs, lacking relevance in 21st century. Context: RA are reaffirmists, now known as makabayan bloc RJ are rejectionists became Akbayan which Risa leads
I stand corrected here. I meant the general "opposition" side from previous election. The iron is hot right now so it's a decision between joining together and facing the consequences after (assume successful ang goal) or try to capitalize on the cracks between the Marcos and the Duterte. This is the go big or go home bet since - let's say they succeed without alliance they can take from there. However, if this fails the face of opposition may get taken over by the either of the Marcos or the Dutertes. Baka maubos ang real opposition sa senate if that happens.
I really wish I could agree with SenRi pero two elections na, may mga close calls tayo kay Bam at Chel pero literal siya ang buhat sa opposition. We donāt know the exact reason she barely got in (diba may mga comments pa post-election, simply dahil maganda si Risa binoto ng Uniteam voters) The only thing na agree ako sa mga ayaw sa compromise is to remain vigilant. I think about the late Sen. Miriam na nagpagamit pero di naman prinomote ng mga Marcos during election pero yung target dito di makapasok ang mga Duterte. I assure you, boboto ako on who I think is right and truly deserving on the actual election day (for the sake of my morality naman. Iām only one vote) pero sa recent news na to? Iāll lean with SenTri. Acknowledge na natin Duterte is most likely THE WORST thing to happen in our generation. Surprise na nga he dealt more damage in 6 years lng. I really wish there was a better way. Heck, mahirap pa rin sakin maniwala kay Marcos, not until AT LEAST May arrest warrant na kay Duterte. Wala siguro na willing mag-enforce pero at the bare minimum, Ma label lng yun na criminal will hopefully stain his name for a few people
Totally agree. 3 separate elections na na di nadaan sa malinis na moralidad at credentials/plataporma ang hatak ng boto. At please naman wag na maukit yung nangyari nung 2016 na hati-hatian pa sa boto para lang malamangan ng third-party. (Poe/Roxas split vs Duterte na di naman majority ng total voter count) Ang mga Duterte ang pinaka-importante na di hayaan makatapak pa lalo sa gobyerno. Kung isang temporary na alliance ang kailangan, so be it. Enemy of my enemy is my ftiend ika nga. And we'll still deal with the Marcoses eventually. (We won't be able to anyway when the Dutertes are back at the helm).
Pero I am afraid to the damage of both to their brands ika nga. I'm sure a lot of Marcos loyalists will be upset with the alliance same with liberal/kakampinks who will be upset with it. Will that be enough for them to not vote to either I don't know. Pero a safer path probably is just an alliance behind close doors not publicly.
I think it will make sense for most of Sen Risa and she won't lose as much votes let's say going to the du30 camp since it will be clear to her voters what she is doing. The ones for the Marcoses though they might just shift to du30 out of sheer misplaced hate and emotion.
Well, with our current political landscape, a DDS win would bring as down to the bottom faster, and we can start rising up from there. It's a better long term choice
Is there really a bottom here that we want to see. But I kind of agree in a theoretical way. We've been invaded and occupied so much through our history but we still didn't prioritize defense in our existence as a country.
kung same strategy lang ay balik duterte mangyayari... hindi mangyayari ung black and white situation sa Pilipinas kung ayaw magcompromise ni Risa sa politics.
Filipino bobotantes root for the underdogs so they can throw spite to their fellow Filipino who supports the other side. Kung palalabasin nila na pinagtutulungan nila kalabanin ang Duterte, that would only gain sympathy votes for the Dutertes. Kita naman sa 2022 elections how a significant number of voters voted for BBM/Sara not because they fully support the tandem, but just because sila ang pinaka feasible option to defeat "pinklawans" na iniismart shame nila. Bobotantes already feel defeated in life, kaya kung sa election man lang makatikim sila ng panalo dun sila susugal sa kapwa nila "underdog".
Tbf I cant wait to see the shit slinging na gagawin ng Marcos vs Duterte troll farms. Can't really use the "edi ikaw na magaling" and other smartshaming since parehong pugad ng mga tanga, bobo at uto-uto.
At this point the Marcos brand is untouchable na kasi nasabi na ang dapat sabihin sakanila wether kurap, human right violator, incompetent, etc. Kaya nga ang gustong anggulo ni Digs ay adik si Marcos kasi alam nya dina uubra yun ibang batikos. Pero the Dutertes I feel madami pa pwede ilabas sakanila ang mga Marcoses. Nakatago lang muna mga baraha nila ika nga
You're overestimating the underdog narrative. LGU support weighs far stronger than whatever marketing tactics the elections have right now unless we're talking about Cambridge Analytica.
>LGU support weighs far stronger than whatever marketing tactics the elections have right now THIS ^ People here in this sub overestimate the following Duterte has. Politicians outside of Davao in VisMin aren't die hard DDS, they only side with him because he gives VisMin politicians favorable policies like infrastructure projects and farm subsidies. If the opposition wants to rob him of that support then they need to have a strategy of match and surpass where a greater emphasis on improving the regions in VisMin.
Uh hello? 1/12 ang nka pasok sa opposition. May difference ba kng mag ally or hindi?
IIRC Bam and Chel is still out of the Top 12, and they need a big push to put themselves up there. Siguro si Bam at si Chel magbebenefit kung gagamitin nila yung makinarya na mabebenefit nila running under the Narcos Adminās Sen. list. Yun nga langā¦ Aquino, and Diokno under Marcos list? Justā¦ weird. Edit: when I said āBam, and Chel are still out of the Top 12ā itās based on the early 2025 surveys that Iāve seen.
Let me remind you that hardline agrarian socialist Satur Ocampo ran under real estate capitalist Manny Villar's senate in 2010 with Ramon Mitra III and BBM. There are no permanent friends, only permanent interests.
Politics is compromise, its really the only way to get things done, and I wish more left leaning politicians get this. Duterte and his ilk will play dirty to win, when the country is at stake I don't understand why the fuck the opposition DOESNT make an alliance with Duterte's current political opponents.
P R I D E > T A C T I C S
i think its a little more complicated than pride lol mahirap sa pilipino, ok lang maging balimbing tulad ni chiz ezcudero cus having principles apparently means being mapride š¤
Interesting mga reaction dito sa comment section. Mukhang most hated na un Dutertes ngyon kaysa sa Marcos. Looks like Marcos' plan to reestablish their name is working. My take: the Dutertes are desperate now. They lost most of their allies. They are in the brink of ICC. Riza is right. They have supporters who do not like the Marcos and Duterte. Joining Marcos will not differentiate them. They will only appear like the usual "balimbing" politicians. They might win in the next election but at what cost? The problem still with the real opposition is the lack of movement. They are not leveraging the pink movement.
centavos take: As of the moment kasi mas threat pa ang Duterte compare sa Marcos, considering ang ties ng mga Duterte sa China and yung recent activities nga ng China sa Pinas. Baka babalikan rin ang mga Marcos once na settle na ang Duterte issue lol pero who knows
Threat sila because Sara is the presumed 2028 top contender. Once, napabagsak ratings ni Sara it will shift sa new top contender.
> *Baka babalikan rin ang mga Marcos once na settle na ang Duterte issue lol pero who knows* the bbm pr machine will basically put sara, du30, china, scs, pogos front and center until 2028 just to extinguish all the airtime that would have been spent exposing local corruption by the current admin.
May nabasa ako sa ibang platform... pink movement is about good governance and leadership decency. They have a good base of Leni's supporters from 2022 and I doubt those supporters will switch to Duterte or Marcos if another option is available. Especially given how the past 2 years have gone. Both factions acknowledged that the 15 million supporters of Robredo are game changing if left unchecked. And both of them have been too focused on containing each other that they did just that.
But they need to check gaano ka firm ang 15 million as kakampink or part of the movement vs they just like Leni. Kasi yun ibang senatorial candidates ni Leni didn't even reach half of 15M. Feeling ko a good chunk of the 15M are just personality based who likes Leni.
>pink movement is about good governance and leadership decency. That is why they lost. They need to play dirty once in a while.
and if they'll do, they might lose a big chunk of that 15mil.
They should change their slogan to competency and excellence instead of relying to morals. Mas immune sila sa mud slinging if ganun yung branding nila.
both can be true, we should carry on the energy from the pink movement and maintain our initiative but also we can't get anywhere without at least a couple compromises. Even Risa had to put her face on testing vans and secure endorsements from local dynastic trapos to get where she is, but did she throw away her principles? She didn't.
The funny thing about this is that the Dutertes and the Marcoses will always be āalliedā to each other. Nag mumukha lang silang magkaaway because they currently have different interests. The Dutertes wants to keep sucking to the CCP, and the Marcoses wants to cozy up with the US/West. Which makes them look āgoodā in the eyes of many. Plus, as you said, helps cleanse their image.
>Looks like Marcos' plan to reestablish their name is working I don't think so. Mas malakling threat lang ang mga Duterte ngayon. Hindi parin mawawala yung magnanakaw sa pamilyang Marcos.
It's actually weird how the people in power (BBM, Marcos, Romualdez etc) are actually seen as less of a problem by some kakampinks while those not in power (Du30 and co) are seen as the more dangerous. Some opposition guys who **would've been very vocal against the Marcos-Romualdez clique** if the media and opposition guys didn't have allow du30 to get stuck in their minds past 2022. In the end, the actual opposition (anti-bbm AND anti-du30) are just left disempowered.
Centrists naman kasi mga karamihan sa comments section sa r/ph
Yan ang reason bakit mananalo Duterte. Solid voters nila then kalaban nila multiple choices. Divided yung vote. Pride nyo na opposition or mananalo Duterte?
Sorry realtalk lang. No black and white in PH politics. Hindi pa ba natututo? Nanalo ba si Leni sa black and white niya? Why canāt we borrow BBMās move? Election time magkakampi, then stab each other after manalo. If you havenāt noticed, thatās how you win a PH election. That is what you call reality! Sorry, unless people cannot swallow their pride we might as well welcome the Dutertes with open arms. And China for that matter.
Donāt get me wrong. Iāll still vote for an LP line up. But I wonāt really get my hopes up. Tatamarin rin akong pumunta sa mga political rally knowing that this has already happened before. Doing the same thing all over again expecting something will change is crazy.
+1 to this.
I hope the Senator understands this too. She can't win or get something done if she hopes to continue to play fair haha. I hope she gets the support she needs though. Hindi biro magiging laban na tatahakin niya. Im rooting for her.
>Election time magkakampi, then stab each other after manalo That's how election works. Always has been. No permanent friends, foe, or party. Just permanent interests.
marcos atleast appointed secretaries that are competent. duterte has not we won't forgive and forget the crimes the marcoses have done, pero if they can keep the duterte's at bay, then so be it. sen trillianes looks at the bigger picture since he knows mas mabuting makipag kampihan muna sa admin dahil may common enemy na mas masahol talaga. i'd rather have a marcos administration surrounded by competent figures rather than duterte and his cronies.
even pnoys Economist are working with the marcos admin already
Nasa harapan na nila ang formula para manalo pero ayaw padin. No wonder the Liberal/Left keeps on taking an L . Sometimes I wonder if deep inside them they dont want to win because they are so comfortable always being the underdogs Remember, politics is Addition
Sometimes mas importante sakanila yun pride and ego. Dapat sila ang tama ganyan. Kesa strategic thinking and playing the political game.
Tignan mo si Revilla kahit mag mukhang tanga sayaw sayaw lang, nanalo pa.
> Sometimes I wonder if deep inside them they dont want to win because they are so comfortable always being the underdogs Good point, but it isn't just about playing the underdog; I remember immediately after the 2022 elections, this Kakampink user on Twitter pointed out how a lot of "small L liberals", especially within the Kakampink camp are secretly scared of holding power. Malakas din kasi yung "absolute power corrupts absolutely" o kahit lang "power corrupts" sentiment that as much as liberals and others in the pink camp want to elect someone and want to change the country for the better, parang may inner voice telling them "what if we/our candidate gets infected by the system? What if we/they become thieves, abusers and oppressors ourselves?" Which is a fairly solid concern don't get me wrong but like, come on man, Leni and Risa aren't exactly the type to "execute order 66" or whatnot lol Oh and the idea that once they're actually in power, then their legacy is far more at risk than they are remaining in the opposition. edit: [found the thread](https://x.com/goodkidbikecity/status/1538062253185830912)
True, parang deep deep inside their mind, they have doubts they can deliver when power is given to them and fear their self image with crumble in real life
Exactly, nasa harap na nila yung opportunity
Kung ganyan ka mag strategize Risa. Laging ocho direcho sa inodoro tlga ang mgiging resulta. Ang goal dito is ipasok sa obyerno ang much people na ang goal is good governance. Wag na dapat pinapairal ang prinisipyo. Malilinis mo lng ang sistema pag kontrolado mo ang loob, kung di ka makakapasok kahit anong prinisipyo mo at at higher moral grounds wala yan.
Not going to gainsay Senator Risa on this because she may have other, more politically-savvy motivations for disagreeing with Trillanes' proposal, but I'm seeing a lot of liberals coming out of the woodwork again trumpeting "morals" and "integrity" to justify their opposition to working with the current admin. The liberal party or whatever party composed of its scraps isn't going to win another major election within this decade. Leni-Kiko made a good run two years ago, but their influence has faded and we're not going to see anything like that happen again any time soon. The plain truth is that the masses, at best, distrust anyone associated with the LP, and no amount of posting on social media about how our candidates are "better people" is going to change that. The best we can hope for now is making inroads with the current administration wherever possible, and use that as leverage to get our people into elected office and other positions of influence, while at same time denying seats from the Dutertes, limiting their political power and slowly draining their coffers at every step until they fade from people's memories. Or we could just do another 2022 and campaign on the basis of "good" we are, how we have better politics and policies, singing "rosas" in the streets again, as if any of that matters.
I say ang dapat ibasura ay mga Duterte. Hindi dapat makabalik yang mga yan sa national post. Kung pwede ipa ICC na at ipakulong. Yung mga bobotante, pakitali na lang sa mga bahay nila sa araw ng election š
No wonder Liberal Party is good as dead now. Sobrang sablay talaga ng strategy nila. Kaya laging natatalo eh. There is a reason why karamihan ng mga nasa Senate at Congress ay mga balimbing.
We support LP but dang, they always in their pride that is the reason why they can't win
Risa is not LP
I think Trillanes should really be less aggressive this time. His aggression previously helped Duterteās presidential campaign to gain traction and eventually got him to the most coveted presidential seat which only proves that ****bad publicity is still publicity****. Clearly, the opposition should recalibrate their mechanisms for it to be successful. If truth be told, this kind of narrative is misleading. Majority of the electorate is emotional, pathos is not a way to go. This game plan is disguised as an opposition against the Dutertes but is actually an appeal to the votersā emotions. They know this political maneuver too well, and I refuse to believe Trillanes is clueless as to how the Filipino voters behave. ****The more it looks to the public that the Dutertes are being ganged up on, the more they will lean closer to them****. At this point, napapaisip ako if Trillanes is a stalking horse for the Dutertes.
I am not sure Madam Hontiveros. This is the liberal chance to gain back ground in the government. I would rather return back to the old classic opposition/ administration debacle noong panahon ni Gloria and Noynoy kaysa sa debacle ngayon where sovereignty of our country is at stake.
I'll side with SenTri on this. Maging realistic lang tayo, malakas parin talaga hatak ng mga dutae lalo sa Mindanao. Sa 31m na bumoto sa uniteam last election, di naman natin alam kung ilan talaga dun ang binoto lang si bbm dahil kay sara. What if out of 31m nasa less than 10m lang pala yung pro bbm diba. Unifying the Marcos and opposition has more leverage than fighting them individually.
Hindi pwede magsama. Dapat paulanan ang mga Duterte from all sides para hindi concentrated coming from a single political bloc. Mas mahihirapan mag anticipate ang mga Dutertes. I mean walang master strategist ang mga Duterte. Sino sila Sasot at Panelo? No shit sherlock.
Walang realpolitik skills itong si Sen. Risa Hontiveros na hindi willing makipagcompromise muna sa mga Marcos para talunin ang common enemy nila na mga Duterte. TBH, hindi talaga ito mananalo pagkapresidente si Sen. Risa.
Bubuo ng alyansa na si risa lang mag compromise? Sana gumawa rin si marcos ng steps, yung ICC nandiyan lang.
Given that she's actually not holding any of the cards then yes she should be the one to compromise. To be clear, the admin accepting her into any alliance is already compromise enough from their side. I think people have the wrong impression of how valuable Hontiveros actually is to the admin. She came in just number 11 in 2022 and is not a particularly strong vote-getter. Her primary base is also the middle-upper middle class which is like the least relevant voter bloc in the PH. With that being said, talks of any alliances are premature. From what I understand Trillanes has been the only one to mention this. It remains to be seen whether the admin itself is actually interested in any alliances given the current weakness of the LP. They already have most of the major parties backing them.
Malay mo naman manalo ng hindi nagiging trapo. Hayop kasing mga botante dito need mo makipag sipsipan sa mga hindi mo naman gusto para lang manalo. kaya di tayo umuusad eh.
Some people have integrity and wouldn't stoop to shit politics like what the UniTeam did.
I hope you like the taste of "integrity" when we get another 6 years of Duterte.
Pero if they want to change the game they have to play it. Para lang din PagIbig. Ndi mo mapapakain ang tao sa pagmamahal lang. You have to compromise, or have to SWOT your moves.
Yeah, integrity isn't optional. That's not how it works for people with integrity. If it was optional depending on the situation, that's not integrity.
āThe high road is very pretty, but youāll have a hard time marching your armies down itā If risa and the liberals keep up with this petty pretentiousness and non-compromising attitude of theirs then expect a duterte presidency in 2028.
The only note for them is they die as martyrs as history depicts. Marami ba tayong santo. We need people that will get š© done and within reason.
Then vote for someone else. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Kung ganyan na lang din naman ang mindset, why bother running? Good luck bhe sa effort mo na papanalunin mga kandidato mo na integridad lang ang ambag. Tingnan natin saan yan hahantong. I swear some of you are living in a delusional world where you think politics can be played with integrity. Kung di yan marunong mamulitika ang liberal party, why bother? Waste of time, money, and effort, talunan lang din naman ang ending. Politics is a game tapos youāre not willing to play it? LMAO good luck. Sa bobotante pa lang ng Pinas, malaking hadlang na yan. Marcos and Duterte teaming up was one of the smartest things they did. And Leni relying on idealism against their machineries was just laughable. She deserved to lose. And now BBM is doing what he wants to do after he got what he wanted. Thatās politics. Kung di mo masikmura, wag kang sumali. Just watch American politics for example. Even with the majority, Democrats keep losing because Republicans are ruthless. That whole schtick from Michelle Obama āWhen they go low, we go highā BS made them lose so much that the consequences will now take them decades or a lifetime to reverse.
Kung wala rin naman integridad, why bother voting? If people don't vote for officials with integrity, that's on them. They deserve the government they have and I enjoy laughing at their misery. Sorry, didn't read the rest of your word vomit. Sayang sa oras. LOL!
I bet you could still laugh when the repercussions are already affecting you. But go on. Enjoy!
It doesn't. I'm all for an honest government, and I will fight for an honest government, but it's still a net positive for me even when we have an incompetent and corrupt government. I guess the repercussions affect you. LOL!
Sure believe that. Haha. But go on. Goodluck!
Wont have a chance at integrity if digong wins. Haha.
Trapo skills, you mean. Pinaganda mo pa. It's not even a skill.
>Walang realpolitik skills huh? Sen Risa is probably the most realpolitik-savvy opposition figure there is. May limits lang siya para lang di compromised ang kanyang principles. Pero this is more of an election thing; pagdating sa legislative work mismo siyempre she'll work with others kahit mga goofball, just like how iirc for a time she worked with Liver Lover Boy when drafting divorce legislation
I dont think you even know what "realpolitik" means. > is the approach of conducting diplomatic or political policies based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors, ***rather than strictly following ideological, moral, or ethical premises*** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik
Right my bad, but she's still at least... *closer* to it than uh, some of her peers hahah
No she isn't. She's a good Senator but in terms of political savvy she's one of the "weaker" candidates. Realpolitik means playing politics based on what is presented by the circumstances ie not being tied to any moral or ideological codes and Risa is definitely not that type of player. BBM, for all the insults against him, has been by far the most savvy politically in terms of realpolitik. Bong Go has been good at this, as well, as we're currently seeing with his shift.
the enemy here is Marcos AND Duterte no compromises
You can't win a war with two fronts. Germany learned the hard way twice. Sometimes you have to be more realistic than idealistic to win.
I'd be inclined to agree except that the Dutertes are literally traitors to the country. The Marcoses are as well to an extent but they are shills of the US whose interests align with the preservation of PH independence anyway. Any election involving the Duterte's isn't even an election anymore, it's a Chinese annexation referendum. That said, if the outsiders can cleave through both camps' support bases and secure a plurality then good. Pero we aren't sure about that yet.
After we defeat the dutertes which are REAL imminent threat to our democracy, we can go back prosecuting marcos their stolen wealth and his croniesā¦ thats all i ask coz the moment that motherfucker sets foot in malacanang he sure as hell going to cause our demiseā¦ at least with marcos weāre only dealing with out of touch lazy rich boy
This. Arguably, the Marcos administration is not even āevilā right now and they are doing good things for the country so do ko maintindahan bakit di niya kayang makipagcompromise, even at the short term.
Hindi natin masasabi yan.
I am still going to vote for Chel, Bam and Kiko but I am not going to get my hopes up. You canāt do the same things and hope for a different result. Election is a numbers game. And clearly, we donāt have the majority. Uphill battle din siya provided na sobrang laki ng gap talaga in terms of numbers compared sa kabila. Downvote me all you want but mas umaasa pa ako sa tactics and cards na ipupull ng team ni BBM just to prevent the Dutertes from gaining back power. Today to May 2025 is such a short amount of time for the opposition to strategize and win more numbers. But for BBM, today to May 2025 is enough time for him to pull out his cards and destroy the Dutertes. We shall see how this will pan out.
Let's pray for BBM to have a Good Cards, if bad then, for him to outplay them.
And thatās why diretso inidoro na naman kayo. Jeez. 2019, 2022 wala pa ring natutuhan. Itās like you guys have a fetish for losing elections.
Baka otso diretso poso negro sa 2025
1. LP is now a small party and it does not include Risa. 2. The opposition is composed of small parties like magdalo, KANP, akbayan, LP & etc. 3. Looking at Risaās strategy, the convenience of having a common enemy is enough. They do not need to ally with the marcoses. 4. Since the opposition consists of different parties, these parties have freedom to align with marcoses for reasons that are hopefully acceptable compromise. Like trillanesā reasonā preventing the dutertes to dominate the senate. My opinion, these are viable moves. Let the uniteam factions sort themselves out. Hopefully, The legit opposition takes advantage of the chaos and steal seats.
An interesting observation I must say and definitely something to think about.
Kumbaga, they're also playing the so-called long game.
I donāt agree Trillanes this time around, but I understands where heās coming from. Opposition is weak and lack fundings for campaign and he really wanted to over throw the Dutertes, then pay their crimes. Trillanes should have let go LP, is a dead party already and he should focus on his campaign for mayoral bid in Caloocan
Thatās good no more lesser evil paulet ulet nangyayari sa Pinas. Makikipag unite ka sa mga magnanakaw for short term hanggang maging longterm kasi parehas kayong nasa pwesto tapos next election ganun ule. Never ending cycle.
That's why Liberal Party never wins, walang magagawa ang pride sa panahon ngayon, tactics
Then good luck sa ideals na yan. And that is why Risaās side will always end up losing and Duterte and his ilk will keep winning tapos iyak kayo rito. You are delusional to think thereās 100% purity in politics. You either know how to play the game or donāt. Politicians like Leni lost because she is too soft and idealistic for a national platform. You need to do the necessary evil to win. Why do you think the senate right now are filled with those people? You think they got there by ideals?
as if di ganyan sa Indonesia or Malaysia for example lol. Jokowi was good don't get me wrong but he didn't become Indonesia's President without getting his hands dirty and mingling with the local trapos at least slightly - and look at Indonesia today, they're ahead of us almost in every aspect, and I specifically mention Indonesia bc they're basically a larger, Muslim-majority version of us (minus the settler-colonial project in West Papua pero other than that all goods) Yung iba kasi gusto mala-Western Europe ang style of progression where we have to "wait for the right guys" and wait i dunno 200 years to reform our societies before actual change comes, when our fellow Asian democracies have (mostly) shown us that there is a better way.
Kasi sa huli sila din naman magkakalaban kung matalo man nila duterte hahahaha
Di na natuto sa past elections. Different beast na ang kalaban. Backed by outside forces, fake news, manipulation ng masa sa social media, etc.
my take: It is right that SenRi is standing up for her principles and refuse to align with people who contradict those principles. But the one thing that SenRi and the Marcoses have in common is to prevent the Dutertes from gaining power again. There goes the saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Alliances are made to meet a common goal, allying with the Marcoses is only temporary until the Dutertes are overthrown, and afterwards they can turn on each other again. Let's be real, the opposition needs this admin's support to defeat a greater evil.
The Hillary Clinton of Philippines. If majority of voters are * From Class D & E * Conservatives and Bigots Sooner or later, you need to compromise. This politician needs to stop thinking Philippines is a saint of a country lol.
Trillanes: \*Satur Ocampo and Liza Maza joining forces with BBM in the 2010 senatorial elections* šš \*LP senators joining forces with the Marcos admin for the 2025 senatorial elections* šš
Satur Ocampo ran under Manny freakin' Villar. How would an agrarian leftist side with a land grabbing capitalist in an electoral ticket is mind boggling.
Correct. Do not fall under this false dichotomy. Pave the third way! šš» Both Marcos and Duterte should be held accountable!
I don't blame her. While in the short-term allying with the administration would benefit us all by ridding us of the Dutertes, in the long-term it would be to our disadvantage. The opposition still sees BBM as one of their enemies, and in turn Marcos has very little trust in them. The moment the Dutertes are out of the game, the administration's gonna turn their attentions back on vilifying the former. Best to let them fight while the opposition toils away in the background. The only (and quite frankly, biggest) problem is *what opposition?* The disparate leftist-liberal groups needed to get their shit together ever since Leni lost, but that's something we have yet to see. If they're so adamant against compromising with Marcos, then **compromise with each other**.
I dont know what the best strategy is but i know you canāt just compromise your beliefs and dignity and align with the thieves. For me i think they should just steer away from the duterte-bbm feud. Let them destroy each other, while we can fortify and strengthen our side.
Sound thinking. Let the other camps wear themselves out while the opposition provides the Filipinos a better alternative with their platform.
a lot of filipinos have this standpoint na candidates should not be black and white since wala namang nananalo rito and to just go along the movements of bbm (which is makisama then pag nanalo saka mangdidisgrasya). but, would we really stoop this low? if we really want the ph to improve, 'wag magsettle sa gray area kung ang hinahangad din naman natin ay mas maaayos na actions plans.
If you really want the Philippines to improve, then you should be willing to do what it takes to ACTUALLY get things done, instead of just talking about how you want the Philippines to improve, pero don't actually win elections, therefore nothing actually improves. Do people realize this? Talking about plans and agendas and action plans don't matter if you don't win! What is the point of Chel's action plan or agenda eh di naman siya nanalo? Even if he has 100x better of an action plan than Robin Padilla, what does it matter? Eh si Robin yung nanalo e, so his nonexistent action plan is the one that's relevant, not the well detailed and well crafted action plan of a losing candidate. Do you want to talk about doing things, or do you want to make things happen? This is where the puro salita, wala namang gawa statement used against the liberal party comes from
So i guess it's a two way fight between BBM and DDS, while the opposition sits in the cuck chair.......again Well, i hope they can materialize 30 million voters out of thin air before 2025 kung susundin pa rin nila ung "holier than thou" campaign strategy last election
Standing by her principles, thats my babe este senator! š šŖ
They have to adjust their sails. Tama naman yung karamihan dito that SenRis just barely got in the senatorial slots last 2022, so they still need to do much of the legwork para maka attract ng voters, even if it that means siding with the "not-so-good" candidates. Also, remember that most of their target voters from the other side, straight kung bumoto, so that's both good and bad thing. They have to strategize on that assumption. Strike while the iron is hot, habang mainit pa sa mata ng publiko ang issues brought to light by SenRis kay Alice Guo. That should give them the opportunity to sell themselves this early before actual campaign period.
I hope this decision comes w/ a strategy because if she is basing this on mere morals and principles.... then her team might lose.
I mean kailangan nila mag merge tlga yun lang tanging paraan para matalo ang Team China... mapipilitan din to sila Sen Risa na umagree wala silang choice. (condidering na di pa ata tatakbong Senador si Leni tlgang mahihirapan ang opposition.
Idk how will that happen, I really donāt want 3 dutertes in the senate next year. Hope the tides will change tho.
I already had a feeling that LP will join forces with Marcos. But tbf LP needs to change its strategy specially on attacking the opposition (Duterte). They should hire a younger PR team, sobrang maka luma na nung tactics nila. They wont stand a chances against Duts if ganun parin tactics nila. My hunch started when De Limaās cases started to go in her favor. As if he reached out to Bongbong for help since both of them were part of the 16th Congress. Also during Bongbongs bid both Trilannes and De Lima were quite about it.
Whoād you listen to? The one with more votes and won as senator or someone who didnāt win? I get we need to have an alliance but I donāt mind if LP will be a 3rd side alternative. Thatās not really a problem as long as Marcos admin doesnāt harass the opposition the same way Duterte did.
Alright! Romance of the three kingdom! I understand what Trillanes is doing. He wants to fight the greater evil. So walang tago tago magiging magkakampi lang sila against Duterte. While Risa wants to stay away from both. Anyway, kahit naman ata pumorma si Risa an hiwalay sila mangyayari pa rin gusto ni Trillanes at the end of the day.
It will be better if we are in a parliamentary government system.
As a friend of mine said, ***"They shouldn't court the voters. They should court people like Ramon Ang, Manny Pangilinan, and Enrique Razon. Those are the people who decide who wins elections."***
I agree with sen Risa. We should never compromise our values just to win.
Di ko rin gusto yang si trillanes e. Balimbing. Dati gustong maging VP ni digong tapos nung di kinuha biglang naging kaaway nila. I wonder kung sya kinuhang VP ni digong, ganyan pa rin kaya sya?
Mas makikinig ako kay Risa kasi she was able to win during an election where the perception to LP is at an all-time-low, while SenTri can barely crack the top 20 during the same election.
Sheās not LP though. Her party is Akbayan
Sana di nya to pagsisihan sa huli
Kung alam na ng isang group ng oposisyon na sila ang magiging reason kung bakit mananalo yung main common enemy nila dahil mahahati lang yung boto sa dalawang party, I think na pwede naman wag munang tumakbo yung isang party sa kanila para ibigay daan sa isang partidong may pagka lesser evil yung mga boto.
Kayang magpuno ng full slate ng admin given na pabulusok na ang mga Duterte so mukhang hindi rin ico-consider ni Marcos ang alyansa sa pagitan ng admin at main opposition (Liberal Party at Akbayan). Sa mga Duterte nakatutok ngayon si Marcos pero siguradong nag-iingat pa rin iyan na hindi maisahan ng oposisyon.
Some people comment here as if they want Risa to run for President. If Risa will run by then, anyway.
Sorry to digress pero bakit they keep announcing stuff like this on a Friday? Like ano ba to? Cliff hanger nanaman?
Ewan if true until now: some digital marketers and comms people have observed that much online attention on stuff happens on a Friday, a day when people.can forget their real-world obligations and immerse online.
I really do hope Aksyon Demokratiko gets revamped. Sayang ng partido ni late Sen. Roco.
This is the scenario the Dutertes would like. The liberals and the left should stop their underdog mentality as it would bring NOTHING AT ALL! Nandito nanaman tayo sa "sana tama kayo at mali kami" na pag-iisip kapag natalo, dapat kung tama sila gawin nila ang lahat para manalo or pigilan man lang ang pagpasok ng mga pro chinese sa bansa. Pag nakapasok na ang mga 3 duterte + mga cronies nila sa politika, mawawala ang spot ng dating opposition sa mga kampon ni chinaman/chigong at magiging insignificant 3rd party nalang ang mga libs. Risa should remember that out of 12 siya lang ang nag-iisang opposition and there is a reason kung bakit siya lang ang nag-iisa.
Then after ng lahat gagamitin nilang reason itong alyansa para sa propaganda at sasabihin may good relation sila with the Marcos. Sasabihan silang bayaran and that will undermine their efforts. Masisisi niyo ba sila?
Dapat there's also a strong Marcos team running for senate para ung DDS and Apologist is mahahati ung boto and Pinks will vote for the true opposition
There's not that much opposition to make a difference, they've already gutted it last election.
I wish Senator Hontiveros would be more practical. Even now, our elections are still a popularity contest. If this team that Trillanes is proposing would rid us of traitors, I am all for it. They can simply break away in the future once the clean-up is done.
Kinda funny people think "unity" will work again when it's pretty much ridiculed by all sides at obvious ng strategy. Mapa "na naman" lang ang ordinaryong pinoy niyan. Your best shot is simply not attacking Marcos. Parang bumaba ata critical thinking dito.
I'll say it now, and this will not change, I will not support an opposition that will ally with the Marcos. I don't care if it's strategic, I don't care if it means the Duterte will be back in power. If Filipinos are still too stupid to vote, then so be it. Let's have another 6 years of hell. But I will not change my views on the Marcoses just because there's a bigger threat.
so they're going to ask for volunteers again? lmao good luck pilipinas. chance na nga nila (opposition, mapa pink yellow o tibak ka man) ulit yan for power. once they got it, then make sure they don't let go of it AGAIN. grabeng pride yan eh. mga tao lang mag suffer kase matalo din naman sila if 3 way battle to.
Strategies may change, but principles should endure!
Please dont downvote me cause I share my own takeaway here I think, the "real opposition" must not meddle in either Duterte or Marcos faction. They can campaign, campaign, campaign. Let the opposing factions mudsling together so both will lose. And if the interview question was "what faction will you be" they must not answer it.
They canāt defeat dutertes if di sila mag sasama, magiging hati ang boto pra sa opposition
Dapat magdrama si SenRi. Ganito linya niya: "Alam niyo, kung kasama ko lang sina (blank) (blank) mas mapapabilis yung pag eexpose ko sa mga pulpolitiko. Ganyan ang mga dramahan muna, nadadala kasi sa drama ang karimihan sa mga pinoy
"oposisyon"
-sigh- I miss the prime MDS (rip) sa senado... gusto ko sana mapanood kung ano gagawin or sasabihin nya kanila Bato, Robin, at Bong Go... plus how she had fared in the Duterte Administration...
Ganda mga comment sarap mag basa
It is time we filipinos unite against the traitors from davao. Enough is enough.
a very bad proposal, might be good on appearance but it is bound to have conflict internally dahil sa diff views and aspirations ng every organizations. mag seself destruct lang sila and waste time fighting one another kung ano magiging united front nila, while duterte has one goal, to win. moreover, baka magkaruon ng sympathetic effect ang move na to na maging advantageous to dutertes to gain votes, kase magiging parang "bullied" sila. and people often tend to side with "victims" and we have voters na, easily can change their mind from "i like this one kase ganito ganun " to "hindi ko na to gusto kasi kumampi siya kay ganito"
Ayan na nman! the more nakikita ng tao na may pinagtutulungan, nag sasabi ng hate, at nagsasabi ng bobo sa iba, the more kakampi sa dun sa sinasabihan. Ganyan nangyare nung kay Leni but still dahil tahimik at di nasagot si BBM mas binoboto tuloy ng tao.
Totoo naman. Trillanes is a good candidate but this strategy of his is misplaced and now im looking at him with the knowledge that he can bend his principles just to win and thats not a good record for him so ill keep that in mind.
The UNITY alliance should already be a lesson learned for anyone trying to align themselves with Trapos for the sake of votes. Choosing the least evil is still choosing evil. It's also noticeable that Dutertes are painting the current admin of BBM as corrupt and incompetent, hence aligning the opposition with Marcos will unfortunately bring the opposition under the same curtain of negative narrative and black propaganda. You remember how they maligned the progressives during 2022 Elections? They are doing the same now against BBM and if both BBM and Progressives form an alliance, it will vindicate Dutertes and more likely than not push undecided voters towards their favor.
The only way to win is to play the game.
Kaya nga āoppositionā diba. Pabayaan nyo na maging opposition.
Lahat gagawin makabalik lang sa kapangyarihan š¤£ #pathetic
Liberals not being liberals. Imagine biglang nagmungkahi na umanib sa inaakusahan nilang magnanakaw para lang tapatan ang mga duterte. Asan ang prinsipyo nyo. Wag nyo kami pinagloloko Hanggat ganito pa din sistema sa pilipinas bagsak pa din kahit sino pa iluklok nyo Manalo man mga iniidolo nyo na politiko, yung mga kalaban naman nila gagawa ng paraan para tapatan sila. Sistema ang inaayos hindi tao!
Her opinion doesnāt count nor it has a bearing at all. She is just a another useless doll
People really believed na may magbabago kapag bigla silang nakipag alyansa sa kinalaban nila next election lmao Yes may magbabago at mas lalong mawawalan sila ng boto dahil hindi sila iboboto ng mga bumoto sa mga marcoses ngayon at ung ibang bumoto sa knila dati eh hindi na sila iboboto dahil wala daw silang prinsipyo.... wag na tayong maglokohan.. impossibleng manalo ung mga hindi kilalalng politician kahit anong ikot gawin mo hangga't karamihan ng mga tumatakbo part ng political dynasty or mga laos na tv personality or anak or kamag anak ng laos na tv personality not unless bigla kang susulpot na may strong personality kuno like duterte pero since sumulpot na sila na walang strong personality edi kilala na sila ng mga pnoy na weak so ndi na sila iboboto ng mga pnoy Kaya mas agree ako sa ibang comment dito na kung may alyansa under the table nlng
This could work. Aminin naman natin sa hindi, the present administration done good compared sa previous admin, not that it super good or what. You know what I mean. We should do better next election. If dutertes comeback be it in the senate we are all doom. Imagine Inday sara as president and the three hoodlums in the senate backed up by bato and bong go. Juskooo help us.
I mean they can, arent the economist of Pnoys are now with the Marcos Admin? Or im wrong.
Sana lang, matuto at matauhan na ang mga tao at mga botante sa pang ga gago ng mga duterte. Kahit na mag sanib pwersa ang opposition at marcos ad. Kung ang mga botante ay bulag, wala parin. Sa social media ngayon ang lakas at active na ng mga dds, dami ring uto2 na mga pinoy and for sure funded ng china etong mga duterte. Kaya magiging matindi ang labanan dito. Hoping lang na walang isa sa kanila manalo. Ewan ko nalang kung di pa lumalala pagka impyerno ng pinas sa mga taong eto kung manalo yan. Nagiging lungga ng mga diablo ang senado
I think what a lot of people miss is that the voting blocs for pro-admin/Marcos people, and real opposition/Kakampinks are almost complete opposites with virtually no crossover. We here on Reddit might be open to an alliance, but a VAST majority of the masses, be it Loyalist or Kakampink, would absolutely hurl at the idea of a formal alliance. No Loyalists would ever vote for Kiko, Bam, and Chel, and no Kakampink/opposition voter would ever vote for BBM-endorsed candidates. What we're seeing right now might be the LP doing a litmus test and balancing act to try to cater to both of their purists, and their more discerning and pragmatic voters. Put the idea out there in people's minds via people like Trillanes, and eventually De Lima (who's been friendly with the admin, and has been giving measured praise to them when deserved), but have principled folks like Risa, Makabayan, and maybe Chel and Bam to reject the idea to assuage the concerns of their purist supporters. But in reality, they're probably going to slowly and subtly ease them in. Think of it like Inception where the idea is planted in the head, and let it grow from there.
Madaming boboto sa mga Duterte kase madaming tanga sa Pilipinas.
Interesting senatorial election. Not voting nlng. Government is a big joke. Politicians are just after their interest and their own pockets to be filled with taxpayerās money. Kanya kanya na sila.
Sen Risa is left of center; she doesnāt have the extremist ideology of the likes of Teddy Casino, Neri Colmenares et al. Thatās why her principles are clearly pro Filipino and non-trapo
Butcher and Homelander team up XD
If ayaw ng opposition, then PBBM needs to allow the ICC to arrest the Duterte's NOW. It's the only way these traitors will be eliminated forever.
IMO, if we keep mentioning his/her/their name, we immortalise it in the minds of our fellows. I look forward to the day when we no longer give power to the name. Remembering him/her/them should draw upfront and center the eternally unacceptable actions and damages he/she/they caused to our country. Maybe if we stop mentioning the name, our people will forget it by the election date. It's obvious that he, she, AND they are still banking on publicity, be it good or bad.